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Post by tthogs » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:49 am

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tthogs wrote:It is instantly apparent who on this thread is actively making / performing music and creating a viable flourishing career out of it vs people who simply complain about everything instead of go through the years and years of development > creative design > manufacturing > testing > marketing > delivery that ASM and other companies do. Sit down please.

Saying this synth sounds good or bad is as ridiculous as saying Serum or Omnishpere sounds good or bad. It can sound both good or bad depending on your relative skill of synthesis / programming. Same with the new Modal synth. In a world where electronic / synthesis music that people actually listen to is largely dominated by digital plugins, this is obviously and demonstrably a sophisticated and capable instrument limited only by your creativity. Any judgement based on its sound is the skill of the programmer not the instrument. With a synthesizer this powerful, you can create one hell of a shitty sound or one hell of an amazing sound. Be grateful for the options. Also dude with the post complaining the cv i/o on the top, just stop. Anyone who is actually doing sound design work doesn't have time for things not to be convenient and ergonomic. I wish all synth designers put their cv connectivity on the top. Makes my life, and any sane working musician's life easier.
really? You have no preference at all about one synth sounding better than another, and view any differences as totally due to programming ability? And all synths are equally easy to program, no matter how much you might dislike the sound, or the user interface? They are all the same?

and only people who have a career in music are capable of making judgements on a synth?

We start out with some agreement on how some people trash an instrument based on internet demos, but the rest of your post? wow.
Of course certain synths sound better than others. However in this synths specific case, the capabilities are so vast that judgements for example that it sounds "thin" or "too this or too that" are just nonsense. Like some guy wrote that the new modal synth "sounds better" and I just can't get down with that as both instruments, to a meaningful degree are practically and sonically arbitrary and how you use them and the parameters you set will have so much more to do with the sound at the end then folks are willing to admit here.

When did I say people who don't have music careers can't judge instruments? I'm just saying that I see it as clearly apparent when people trash talk an instrument that for me would be wildly convenient and viable for my workflow. The layout is amazing and intuitive. No one has even brought up the well thought out randomize feature. Incredible. Maybe I'm just a fanboy.

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Post by Nelson Baboon » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:59 am

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tthogs wrote:It is instantly apparent who on this thread is actively making / performing music and creating a viable flourishing career out of it vs people who simply complain about everything instead of go through the years and years of development > creative design > manufacturing > testing > marketing > delivery that ASM and other companies do. Sit down please.

Saying this synth sounds good or bad is as ridiculous as saying Serum or Omnishpere sounds good or bad. It can sound both good or bad depending on your relative skill of synthesis / programming. Same with the new Modal synth. In a world where electronic / synthesis music that people actually listen to is largely dominated by digital plugins, this is obviously and demonstrably a sophisticated and capable instrument limited only by your creativity. Any judgement based on its sound is the skill of the programmer not the instrument. With a synthesizer this powerful, you can create one hell of a shitty sound or one hell of an amazing sound. Be grateful for the options. Also dude with the post complaining the cv i/o on the top, just stop. Anyone who is actually doing sound design work doesn't have time for things not to be convenient and ergonomic. I wish all synth designers put their cv connectivity on the top. Makes my life, and any sane working musician's life easier.
really? You have no preference at all about one synth sounding better than another, and view any differences as totally due to programming ability? And all synths are equally easy to program, no matter how much you might dislike the sound, or the user interface? They are all the same?

and only people who have a career in music are capable of making judgements on a synth?

We start out with some agreement on how some people trash an instrument based on internet demos, but the rest of your post? wow.
Of course certain synths sound better than others. However in this synths specific case, the capabilities are so vast that judgements for example that it sounds "thin" or "too this or too that" are just nonsense. Like some guy wrote that the new modal synth "sounds better" and I just can't get down with that as both instruments, to a meaningful degree are practically and sonically arbitrary and how you use them and the parameters you set will have so much more to do with the sound at the end then folks are willing to admit here.

When did I say people who don't have music careers can't judge instruments? I'm just saying that I see it as clearly apparent when people trash talk an instrument that for me would be wildly convenient and viable for my workflow. The layout is amazing and intuitive. No one has even brought up the well thought out randomize feature. Incredible. Maybe I'm just a fanboy.
i don't feel like devolving into an argument, but your comments here are more measured than in your previous post. And sure - you explicitly called out people who are not making a "flourishing career" as not qualified to make judgements here.

obviously we weren't arguing about whether the hydrasynth looks like a great instrument. Mine is ordered.

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Post by iSapien1956672 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:14 am

I played the synth at Knobcon, I was happy with the editing, user interface, sounds, sound manipulation, ease of use, knob placement, port placement.

Really thought out synth.
Played some roland, yamaha, sequentials, and I was pretty much meh with them all.

To me, it's a very inspiring synth with it's own personality.
I also thought the Matriarch was very inspiring, so what do I know?

So many complaints from a marketing ploy.

you either like the synth or you don't.
move on to a synth you do like.
why bash constantly?
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Post by tehyar » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:22 am

Bad, good, worst, best, thin, fat, whatever - you’re losing sight of the fact that these are purely subjective statements. This means they are 100% true from the perspective of the one stating them, and meaningless to you. If you can’t accept this then you’re likely going to have a hard time dealing with official statements like “best tacos north of the border”. Judging a taco has nothing to do with the skill of the eater.

Saying that the reason someone doesn’t develop the same opinion as you is due to their own limitations or foolishness is just a statement of arrogance. Pretentious smacktalkin.

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Post by Sinamsis » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:42 am

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Did you play the desktop module or the keyed version?

I really think I will get one of these at some point, probably pending user reviews, but I wanted to know if one felt significantly easier to program? And if you felt that the pads added to the functionality.

The keyed version certainly caught my attention, but 49 keys made me lose interest to some degree. I have limited space so I'd probably have to get rid of some keyed instrument if I bring in another keyed instrument in. Plus the desktop version I think I could fit in with relative ease right in front of my system. I'm not a huge fan of small pads, but I think it is an interesting way to interface with an intstrument. Also, how is the aftertouch on the pads, if you tried them?

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Post by UltraViolet » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:46 am

tehyar wrote:Saying that the reason someone doesn’t develop the same opinion as you is due to their own limitations or foolishness is just a statement of arrogance. Pretentious smacktalkin.
There is actually some validity to parts of what tthogs is saying. But, once you insult people by saying that aren't qualified to judge what is good, it doesn't really matter anymore.

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Post by iSapien1956672 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:02 am

Sinamsis wrote:iSapien1956672
Did you play the desktop module or the keyed version?

I really think I will get one of these at some point, probably pending user reviews, but I wanted to know if one felt significantly easier to program? And if you felt that the pads added to the functionality.

The keyed version certainly caught my attention, but 49 keys made me lose interest to some degree. I have limited space so I'd probably have to get rid of some keyed instrument if I bring in another keyed instrument in. Plus the desktop version I think I could fit in with relative ease right in front of my system. I'm not a huge fan of small pads, but I think it is an interesting way to interface with an instrument. Also, how is the aftertouch on the pads, if you tried them?
I played the keyed version, I'm not a huge piano octave player so 49-61 work for me for waht I do.

I'm also not a Digital/Analog purist "snob" so I thought the digital was really good and its analog sound were pleasant (to my liking)

It was at knobcon, and one of the hype synths of the show so there were a lot of people waiting to get a taste, didn't have a ton of time to dive deep, but from what I was able to get into I was happy with what a company I had never heard of came out with straight outta the gate.

If I didn't have a kid in Daycare and Mortgage I would definitley buy this synth in the keyed version.

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Post by UltraViolet » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:23 am

iSapien1956672 wrote:It was at knobcon, and one of the hype synths of the show so there were a lot of people waiting to get a taste, didn't have a ton of time to dive deep, but from what I was able to get into I was happy with what a company I had never heard of came out with straight outta the gate.
That seemed to be a problem for the really popular synths at Knobcon. Even with 2 days of exhibit time, with 1000 attendees there isn't enough time for people to really dive deep. Some manufacturers did personalized demos to small groups to help with this, but it is still too many people and too little time. To be fair they had to keep people moving so that others could a least get a taste. ASM's booth was always busy the few times that I was able to check.

Did anyone get a good chance to evaluate the poly AT on the keyboard?

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Post by Dstepatl » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:57 pm



Sounds quite fat and “warm” to me.

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Post by Xmit » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:59 am

so : spent quite a bit of time ( until it got a bit embarrassing & I remembered it's not cool to bogart a synth at a show ) on the Hydrasynth at Synthfest at Sheffield on Saturday.

I'll cut to the chase : Apart from the £7k Moog One & the £3.5k Waldorf Quantum it was the best new (i.e. not vintage or a re-issue, like the Moog Model 10 / 15 ) synth there. Period. In fact I've got to say it gives the Quantum a good run for its money - obviously there are a tonne of things in the Waldorf that I didn't even look at,that I know the Hydrasynth doesnt have, but on the face of it the Quantum is not '3 times' ( factoring cost ) the synth the Hydrasynth is.

Sounds terrific - both for ersatz analogue & pure digital. The build quality & feel is just stellar for this sort of money : it looks & feels like a really expensive instrument in the flesh. But the thing that really stuck with me is the interface - brilliant bit of design. So intuitive. even though it's not knob per function I actually found it quicker & easier to whip up patches than on say the Peak, which I'd also never used before.

It's a brilliant user interface that just invites you to create patches.

The arpeggiator is genius & the FX are brilliant. It plays like a dream too - so much nuanced control at your fingertips.

It was an inspiring joy to play - & as a rule I don't really like digital synths that much - this is probably the best 100% digital synth I've played since the D-50...apart from I could actually program the ASM machine :hihi:

I don't need one right now...but unless something else comes along in the next 12 months or so I can't imagine I won't pick one up eventually.
I think they may have made a classic.

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Post by digitalganesha » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:41 am

Xmit wrote:It was an inspiring joy to play - & as a rule I don't really like digital synths that much - this is probably the best 100% digital synth I've played since the D-50.
It's like you aimed that one right at my soul. Sold. :sb:
Although it's important to remember - the D-50 makes you bleed in order to get it to shine. Even when you have editors, yet refuse to use them and do it all from the panel. Which I am very guilty of. ha

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Post by estin » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:41 pm

Not sure if it was covered, but is this the same ASM that was involved with the Novation Supernova synth line?

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Post by vegeta897 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:34 pm

estin wrote:Not sure if it was covered, but is this the same ASM that was involved with the Novation Supernova synth line?
ASM is a new synth company, Ashun Sound Machines, and this is their first product under that name.

Novation's use of "ASM" was just an initialism for their "Analog Sound Modeling" technology.

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Post by estin » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:22 pm

^ thank you for clearing that up.

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Post by Shakespeare » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:08 pm

Just pre-ordered the desktop version... can't wait. Seems like a deep, lovely machine... and the fact that it interfaces with euro is a nice little bonus.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:29 pm

I spoke with someone at Sweetwater and the delivery date is now looking more like sometime in December.
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Post by mmp » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:48 pm

Well, at least mine will be paid for by then.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:55 pm

mmp wrote:Well, at least mine will be paid for by then.
I was actually relieved as I need a couple more weeks to get the money togeather.
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Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:53 am

im looking forward to trying one out. im in the school of actually preferring digital synths, especially when they lean more towards digital sounds. I don’t mind steppy filters, aliasing or artifact.

8 voices and monotimbral are a bit of a let down, but maybe an OS update will make way for expansion. an onboard sequencer would always be welcomed but with all the options available right now its not a deal breaker.

does anyone know if they plan on making a bi-directional software editor? i’ve heard its easy to navigate and the videos make it look easy enough, but with 32 mod matrix patch points going ITB a bit and having all the architecture in front of you might help really open it.

either way its designed well and looks like a promising new manufacturer has entered the market.
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Post by deftinwulf » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:06 pm

Monotimbrality keeps this synth just shy of being the PERFECT replacement/upgrade for my dying JP-8000, but the features are so close (and so awesome/better in many ways) on the Hydra that this is pretty much a guaranteed buy from me when it releases.

Oh, how I missed you, ribbon controllers. :love: :yay: Not to mention... CV jacks and Poly AT :eek: :party: :hail:

I just wish they had put an internal power supply in it instead of a wall wart...

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Post by onthebandwagon » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:32 am

Anyone get their hydrasynth yet?
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Post by onthelees » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:12 pm

In stock at Perfect Circuit! Pulled the trigger, but I am guessing mid-late next week for most people who pre-ordered.

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Post by Shakespeare » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:10 pm

I preordered from PC, but haven't received any notice about shipping. And it looks like it's already out of stock.

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Post by onthebandwagon » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:37 pm

Shakespeare wrote:I preordered from PC, but haven't received any notice about shipping. And it looks like it's already out of stock.
Apparently people were walking into the store and buying them...
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