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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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however, the choice to put additional 1/8" Main Out jacks on the front panel of the 227e that are visually identical to the Tini-Jax found everywhere else in the system has already cost me a future jack repair.

I haven't used anything besides the main outs on the rear of my system, and there isn't any mention of this in the "manual". Which jacks are they? All of the main outs?

it is in the manual- beware!

the Main Outputs on the 227e front panel are 1/8". plugging a standard Buchla Tini-Jax cord into them can destroy them.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I guess I didn't really read the manual lol

Ahh well, I haven't used them anyway. Now I know.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:
what kind of workflow with this system?

I mean, what kind of connections to have what kind of sounds? (for example..)
hmmm.....

Are you asking how to use the system?

Plug the output of an oscillator into the input of a 227e. Turn the volume up. You will hear an oscillator.
hmmm.....


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and:
261e or 259e?

Nobody but you can answer that for you.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

i've thought about putting together a little "read-me first" page for new Buchla users. that would be the first one. the second part would be a more elaborate description of restoring firmware.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I dont think there are 200e systems here in Italy.
so it's kind of a "blind jump" for me, a pricy one indeed. then I would like to be able at least to figure out what the most compact system can do, if it's worth the money now, with a9U euro. (I know it's worth, it's the euro thing...)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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i've thought about putting together a little "read-me first" page for new Buchla users. that would be the first one.


cool.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

xpander wrote:

i find the main channel volume knobs have a non-linear response which i understand has to do with the use of vactrols. that's about it, nothing to make me want to ditch it.


Let me be clear(er) with my fli-pənt comments . . .
The 227e roolz! Period. It is the best VALUE and SPEC'D analog/surround mixer I have ever seen or used. I would have KILLED for this mixer when I was into surround stuff. I found the calibration of the 227e 'interesting' enough in my use to question what was going on and why, early on . . .

I came to my 'sonic' distinctions in the first 30 seconds I heard a 261e thru the 206e ....and I'm tone deaf. (I'm only into this modular music nonsense to be around hot young indie dudes!) SMACK!



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however, the choice to put additional 1/8" Main Out jacks on the front panel of the 227e that are visually identical to the Tini-Jax found everywhere else in the system has already cost me a future jack repair.


INTERESTING! this is why I love teh interweb muffwiggler bbs. . . .I had NO IDEA. I obviously don't pay attention to the shit I use. I wonder if the 206e/207e is the same? I just use a 1/8 to 1/4 adapter from radio shack and seems to work fine.

I'm the same idiot who fukced up a bunch of euro when I used the 200e patch cables....big mistake!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

xpander wrote:
i've thought about putting together a little "read-me first" page for new Buchla users. that would be the first one.


As a 'user' since 2005, I would read it. I still can't figure out how to make alpha juno hoover sounds on this thing. I'm slowly finding out that reading manuals are cool and useful. (I take back all of my old school AH posting "manuals are for pussies" comments. I blame youthful indiscretions) w00t
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xart wrote:
ndkent wrote:
The 206e 207e vactrol comment makes little sense in context since those modules have very limited voltage control versus the serious voltage control on the 227e's


I will challenge this with my user experience. The calibration of the 227e's I have played with / used (3 of them) were all over the place. (due to the vactrols). With the 206e, I use now . . .its always calibrated, always spot on and LOUD.

I think SCIENCE has my specific hand written notes / findings on this . . .

Do other 227e users find the mixer channels to each sound and behave differently? seriously, i just don't get it


In my experience the relatively imperceptible differences I encountered were far outweighed by having 4 channels of mixing with voltage control on each channel. That said I can see why a more typical albeit rather pricey for what it does mixer can get many jobs done.

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xpander wrote:

that is an outstanding selection. i wouldn't change it. as you know, i dig cv processing.


Yeah me too. I am completely sucked in by that 256e.


You do want one of them, but on a really small system you don't have all that much left to process unless you have other stuff you think you can interface.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

dougcl wrote:
. I am completely sucked in by that 256e.


Not me, I only have a publik skrool edumacation and that thing has WAY too many mathimatiks in it! Plus it don't even make any sounds! thumbs up
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:
felix wrote:
I'm thinking about something like this as a starting point for myself:



you can use the 256 for a sort of LFO or something?

Not on it's own, but it augments and expands what you can get out of the 281e - see below

ndkent wrote:
Felix's quad voltage processor seems a bit much for a small system right away, again not that it's useless but say a second 281e or a 291e might get you more immediate use.

The 256e handles (or would handle) many important duties for me. The chief of which is attenuation. I will definitely be making much use of the Attack/Decay CV ins on the 281e and those will definitely need attenuation on their inputs. Likewise for the 292e CV ins - I don't always want those flying all the way open/closed. And also for the two 261e CV ins that don't have attenuverters (although I may end up with a 259e instead). The 256e also practically doubles the functionality of the 281e to me. You could use it to double the frequency of a single EG from the 281e for example - the "doubled" EG could be patched to Timbre while the non-doubled one patched to a gate on the LPG. Or it could be used to invert an EG from the 281e, or scale it to have an otherwise unusual response.

It also serves as a basic 4x 2ch CV "mixer" by way of the input crossfader (which also happens to be voltage controllable).

Basically, I find that there are *way* to many CV inputs on the 200e series that do not have attenuators, so I can't imagine a 200e system without the 256e, even one as small as this one.

plus, like dougcl and xpander, I find the 256e completely fascinating and it is one of the main attractive modules on the Buchla side for me. That and the oscillators.

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Uh oh, it's happening again... razz
Are you using Rack Planner? PM me if you need help.

Yep very frustrating and Yep we're not worthy . RP has been working more than great!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

thanks Felix, I'm starting to understand better...
but in your system you lacks a 225, what about storing/recall facility?
this is one of the so intriguing things of going Buchla

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

No offense, but you should probably try to understand a lot better before making the decision to order a 200e system.

What exactly made you suddenly want one, out of curiosity?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm very happy with my euro, so thinking to get this little buchla is most a feticist tendency. I simply always wanted one! love
...of course I die for all that percussive stuff I've listened here and there. A very compact system, as a starting, dont seems to cost a fortune to me so I'm considering to try it, I can sell it right away here in seconds if I dont feel good with! smile but I doubt it will happen! Mr. Green
for sure I would understand as much as possible this system but you know, if I cant play with one it seems a little difficult, dont you?
figure it in my mind it's a bit tricky, so any help will be much appreciated!

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Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:
thanks Felix, I'm starting to understand better...
but in your system you lacks a 225, what about storing/recall facility?
this is one of the so intriguing things of going Buchla

See me thoughts on presets/recall here:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=107544#107544
and here:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=107656#107656

In short, it isn't so much a requirement for me anymore. Now that I've thought about it more, I find for me there's enough downsides as there are upside. Additionally, MIDI control is not that important to me, and I definitely would not want to sacrifice one of those 4 modules in the "starter" system I've picked out. I may very well add one later, but I'm going to just start with the essentials.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: my wishlist Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

My current list:
201e - 6 6-panel Powered Boat
222e Multi Dimensional Kinesthetic Input Port
261e Complex Waveform Generator
292e Quad Dynamics Manager
281e Quad Function Generator
256e Quad Control Voltage Processor
266e Source of Uncertainty
201e - 3u 3-panel Passive Frame (for 222e)

Can't decide between 222e & 266e or just a 250e...

Thoughts?
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Just some input on the 225e...

I was on the fence about it before I ordered my system. If you look at past posts I had made, I actually think I mentioned at one point that I had planned to get rid of it and replace it with a 206e.

Since I've spent some time with it, my feelings on it have changed completely. It's the best MIDI->CV interface I've ever worked with. The fact that it's a 1 panel module that was designed for my 200e system just makes it that much better. I definitely won't be getting rid of it any time soon, and I also have a 250e on its way to me.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I can tell you that I currently own a small 4powered boat with the following that is an excellent starter system....

- 261 Complex Oscillator
- 266 Source of Uncertainty
- 281 Quad Function Generator
- 292 Quad Dynamics Manager

The ONLY think I miss are some passive attenuators to scale some CV's to some of the inputs here and there but even then, it works great as it is. The 266/281 combination provides a lot of interesting random CV's that can make the system alive.

For me personally, these are the "core" modules that the Buchla modular is about. I am thinking of adding a second boat with...

1) 259 or 261 Oscillator
1) 206 Mixer/Preset Manager
1) 258 Quad CV Processor
1) I don't know yet; Morph Filter, Freq Shift (which can be both sound source and sound modifier)...or another 281?

Depends on what kind of music you want to create. I can guarantee you that the system I have does indeed provide quite a large palate of sounds for such a small set up and I also have a couple of custom Serge panels that too were designed to be small compact "units" in and of themselves.

Again the only think I miss, that I am going to make myself, are a bunch of passive attenuators to scale CV's going into Mod inputs. Hope this helps! Soapbox
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: my wishlist Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

fadeddata wrote:


Can't decide between 222e & 266e or just a 250e...

Thoughts?


The 266e works very nicely with the 250e, but your question seems to be
whether you want tactile versus auto.
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drewskee wrote:
I can tell you that I currently own a small 4powered boat with the following that is an excellent starter system....

- 261 Complex Oscillator
- 266 Source of Uncertainty
- 281 Quad Function Generator
- 292 Quad Dynamics Manager

The ONLY think I miss are some passive attenuators to scale some CV's to some of the inputs here and there but even then, it works great as it is. The 266/281 combination provides a lot of interesting random CV's that can make the system alive.

For me personally, these are the "core" modules that the Buchla modular is about. I am thinking of adding a second boat with...

1) 259 or 261 Oscillator
1) 206 Mixer/Preset Manager
1) 258 Quad CV Processor
1) I don't know yet; Morph Filter, Freq Shift (which can be both sound source and sound modifier)...or another 281?

Depends on what kind of music you want to create. I can guarantee you that the system I have does indeed provide quite a large palate of sounds for such a small set up and I also have a couple of custom Serge panels that too were designed to be small compact "units" in and of themselves.

Again the only think I miss, that I am going to make myself, are a bunch of passive attenuators to scale CV's going into Mod inputs. Hope this helps! Soapbox


ok got it,

my Buchla vision start to take form better now.

I think felix's system suggestion could be a tangibile solution...

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