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tompty Wiggling with Experience
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: Cwejman S1 in a modular system |
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Hey there MuffWigglers, ive been lurking these parts for a while but first time poster.
I've been looking at modular systems for a while now and after much oo'ing and ah'ing ive decided to go euro-rack, focusing mostly on Cwejman modules for "stock" modules ( osc's, mixer etc ) for great tracking and quality, expanding with some of the more experimental modules, loving the look of the AFG. However, i have always had my eyes on the Cwejman S1 Mk2 and and very close to ordering this bad boy.
I always assumed that since the S1 is semi modular ( and has lots of audio outs ) i can use each of its components seperately in a modular set up, ie; can output each oscillator seperately, use the envelopes seperately. And so my grand plan was to has the S1 at the heart of the system and then running lots of other modules with it.
Is this possible? Could i use the S1's ADSR, VCA, VCO's seperately from ech other in use within modular system?
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely! The S1's in and outs are compatible with all other Eurorack modules. You could also price out building a Cwejman modular out of separate components and mixing other stuff (Cwejman also makes a rack). It may be worth just having one Cwejman Osc - the new OSC-6 may be better than the one on the S1 plus some stock modules from other makers. _________________ http://www.REwireMusic.com |
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Chuck E. Jesus holier than thou
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Cwejman S1 in a modular system |
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| tompty wrote: |
Is this possible? Could i use the S1's ADSR, VCA, VCO's seperately from ech other in use within modular system?
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yes, that is how it is designed... |
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tompty Wiggling with Experience
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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brilliant thought so! just had a brain fart just before i buy it, had to check in case i had got it wrong.
So cwejman modules, anyone seen the new mx7 mixer , interested but cant find it for sale anywhere. also! anyone know of any other european retailer selling cwejman modules apart from scneiders beuro? |
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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well there are some limits to accessing some things
I have one - mixed with my euro system
my recommendation is to go through the in and outs - and see if they match your interests
it is a great starting point especially if you are a midi user or relatively new to the modular world
and definitely try one out if you can - it is a different sound, i like it but i can see how others wouldn't |
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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I did something similar when I dove into the Modular Pool. I bought an Analogue Systems Vostok. Getting the Cwejman will be no different and is a great way to start. You can simply add anything that you fancy to an already fully functional system. Plus, you can always easily transport the Cwejman anywhere when you want to rock out with a light-weight rig.
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i think the S1 is absolutely GORGEOUS, damn it would be very very hard to go wrong with something like that _________________ "I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down." |
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tompty Wiggling with Experience
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can't wait to get my system started! this forum looks like the best modular one i've seen, ill be sure to keep you all updated on my build of one beastly modular system!
After the S1 im going to focus on mostly cwejman modules ( close minded i know, but im very interested in seeing how a complete Cwejman modular will be ) and then like i said before looking at some of the more unusual Euro modules so im thinking of ; A zeroscillator, the harvestman bitcrusher, an AFG perhaps . Any other people could recommend for some truly unique sounds?
Im going be so poor after this :(! 5 months of saving nearly 70% of my pay.... |
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I'm going to go out on a limb and recommend the Doepfer A-196. I don't think there is anything else like it on the market.
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Chuck E. Jesus holier than thou
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| dougcl wrote: | I'm going to go out on a limb and recommend the Doepfer A-196. I don't think there is anything else like it on the market.
Doug |
i've sung the praises meself, it works great with my Cwejman VCO2RM, and the recent addition of the Plan B Wavesplicer adds quite a bit to the soup i must say...the whole time i was testing the Wavesplicer i was thinking "i should be recording this", those three together can make a shitload variety of really interesting tones...
a bit OT, but the Blacet Window Comparator has got me seriously thinking about adding a Frac sub to my mod rack... |
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| ross g wrote: | | dougcl wrote: | I'm going to go out on a limb and recommend the Doepfer A-196. I don't think there is anything else like it on the market.
Doug |
i've sung the praises meself, it works great with my Cwejman VCO2RM, and the recent addition of the Plan B Wavesplicer adds quite a bit to the soup i must say...the whole time i was testing the Wavesplicer i was thinking "i should be recording this", those three together can make a shitload variety of really interesting tones...
a bit OT, but the Blacet Window Comparator has got me seriously thinking about adding a Frac sub to my mod rack... | While I can definitely see the a-196s potential in a modular it's just a big ol' flip flop circuit, innit? Comparator + flip-flop +feedback + filter... The Window Comparator should be veery similar in principle. |
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| tompty wrote: |
can't wait to get my system started! this forum looks like the best modular one i've seen, ill be sure to keep you all updated on my build of one beastly modular system!
After the S1 im going to focus on mostly cwejman modules ( close minded i know, but im very interested in seeing how a complete Cwejman modular will be ) and then like i said before looking at some of the more unusual Euro modules so im thinking of ; A zeroscillator, the harvestman bitcrusher, an AFG perhaps . Any other people could recommend for some truly unique sounds?
Im going be so poor after this :(! 5 months of saving nearly 70% of my pay.... |
Not close minded at all to go with Cwejman. He has some extremely interesting modules, eg. Quad Delay, Stereo Spatial Phaser, Frequency Shifter, etc. Add the new Stereo Compressor & VCEQ3 & your modular is an incredibly elaborate machine for tracking, mixing & mastering.
The designs are so well thought out.
If i were you, i would get the S1 & with your other money, focus on the 'effects' modules (the ones i've mentioned above, for example). Then you have an incredibly powerful system that you can build upon. Maybe even wait a bit til you have the system before adding anything else, eg. You may want another filter- have a listen to a Harvestman Polivoks. Or, a different flavoured ring mod- check out the makenoise ModDemod.
The Future Sound Systems 'Decade Counter' is a strange module that you might like- there's a clip of it on YouTube (don't have the link, sorry, but just type in the titles).
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| tompty wrote: | brilliant thought so! just had a brain fart just before i buy it, had to check in case i had got it wrong.
So cwejman modules, anyone seen the new mx7 mixer , interested but cant find it for sale anywhere. also! anyone know of any other european retailer selling cwejman modules apart from scneiders beuro? |
Tomty, try..
http://www.modularsquare.com/
for another European dealer (based in Paris) |
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Chuck E. Jesus holier than thou
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| wetterberg wrote: | | While I can definitely see the a-196s potential in a modular it's just a big ol' flip flop circuit, innit? Comparator + flip-flop +feedback + filter... The Window Comparator should be veery similar in principle. |
| Quote: | | The A-196 contains 3 different types of phase comparators: PC1 is a simple exclusive OR, that even locks at harmonics. PC2 is a so-called RS flipflop and PC3 a more complex digital memory network. The user can select one of the three phase comparators with a 3-position switch. When PC2 is used a LED displays the "locked" state, i.e. when the frequency of the internal VCO is identical to the external frequency. |
i imagine the WC could do similar things in the right patch, i looked at the video demo and it seemed like it has a lot of interesting uses...actually Doepfer makes a comparator as well, forgot about that (doesn't have the same feature set)... |
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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...the whole time i was testing the Wavesplicer i was thinking "i should be recording this", those three together can make a shitload variety of really interesting tones...
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Okay, I'm going to try to buy the wave splicer. Seems that the inventories everywhere get depleted almost instantly. There must be really high demand right now across the board. Maybe it's always been like this though.
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| mig27 wrote: | LFO => VCF = wopwopwopwopwopwopwop
LFO => VCA (properly fed) => VCF = wwwawawawopwooopwopwwawawww |
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tompty Wiggling with Experience
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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what a bizarre 4 year bump |
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chinard Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Cwejman S1 in a modular system |
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| tompty wrote: | | Is this possible? Could i use the S1's ADSR, VCA, VCO's seperately from ech other in use within modular system? |
All except for the VCA's yes.
The VCA's are pretty engrained into the audio path as well as one on most of the cv inputs and mixer levels which is really frigging nice.
And there is not really direct control of the final output VCA. You can of course patch around it very easily.
A common configuration i see is an S1 with a single 3u of euro underneath to fill in the gaps. (vca's, sequencer, utility devices, effects, maths, etc.) |
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tompty Wiggling with Experience
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ended up getting it 4 years ago, it was a bizarre bump! |
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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yeah saw that after responding..
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tompty Wiggling with Experience
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| no worries! been fun to look back on it |
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