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insomniyack · Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: Moogerfooger Ring Mod Uses?

I just picked up a Moogerfooger Ring Mod pedal to use with some synths and I don't quite get it.

It seems like the LFO is only noticable when I have the switch set to HIGH and I'm not exactly sure what I am doing with it.

Plus the CARRIER IN input. Is this for an audio signal (such as another synth?) or is this for just voltage?

Any suggestions on good uses for the Ring Mod? I am strickly synths and samplers.

It does sound really good though but I just don't get what the ring mod is used for....I've been doing a vibrato effect and liking that but there has to more to it than that...

jonkull · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:28 am Post subject:

A ring mod takes two waveforms and multiplies them. They're good for creating metallic and bell-like tones. This may help: http://reaktorplayer.wordpress.com/category/ring-modulation/ Read the first paragraph.

SepticUnderground · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:15 am Post subject:

in low setting LFO has little to no effect.

In low setting RM works like a tremelo
in high setting as a FM vibrato of some sort

Its all explained in the manual of the MF102 ?? Very well imho.
You can DL it from moogmusic.com if yours came without one.

The carrier input in no CV input but audio, you can put any audiosource into it for extraordinaire efx

insomniyack · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:50 am Post subject:

I think I'm getting it a little bit more...I tried plugging my LBB synth into the CARRIER IN and got some weird results!

Thanks for your help!

Veiled · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject:

If you had a Theremin available You could plug it into the audio in jack. Then you could use one of your synthesizers and put it's output in the "Carrier In" jack. This will defeat the internal Oscillator. You could also plug a hot line level signal such as a shortwave radio into the Carrier jack and probably get the sound Pere Ubu used on "30 seconds over Tokyo" at the End of the song. You could of course plug one of your synthesizers into the Input and have one go into the Carrier. Just make sure the Carrier one has a Sustained Tone, but you've probably already figured this out...

funkymonk919 · Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject:

What is the Carrier In jack and Carrier Out jack, or rather what do they do? I use the moog ring modulator with a guitar and send it in and out of the audio jack and then into my amp, so I've never used them, nor do I know what they do? But that is interesting, I'm building a dot.com synth, can I incorporate my ring mod and other fooger into the synthesizer?

-Also, my favorite setting for the ring mod w/a guitar is 75% LFO, switch to sine wave, switch to HI, really slow rate, mix at 4 and a somewhat higher frequency. This makes the "clean" signal sound as though there are small higher frequencies spinning off of the signal's sustain.

bwhittington · Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:00 am Post subject:

funkymonk919 · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:52 am Post subject:

awesome ideas, i'll be trying those out. best way to figure it out is to use it!

chinard · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:22 am Post subject:

I wish the moogspace site was still up
there used to be a document on there called 'lord of the ringmod' that went into great detail various ways to use the moogerfooger ring mod.
they even went into details on how to use the carrier osc as a 4th osc for the voyager (triangle only)

I think there is a yahoo group somewhere that holds all the archives, but i fucking hate yahoo groups so i dont go there.

I love the sound of my mooger ring mod. I have had mine in storage for a couple of years but after moving and rebuilding the studio i have been using it again and loving it.
My only complaint about it is when you are using it with a voyager via the osc/mix loop, the output gain is WAY too low. You can compensate by turning up the drive, but it seems that the drive amplification is pre, not post.
What i did in my setting is to use a small behringer mixer (Xenyx 502) to boost the post levels back to modular gain levels to avoid the distortion you get when using the drive on the mooger.

insomniyack · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:

I've got an analog theremin AND a shortwave radio so I am going to try both of those tonight!

Bryan B · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject:

Lord of the RingMod is available on the group "Knob Tweak".

You can put CV into the Frequency input and use the Oscillator out as an extra Oscillator. You can also do this with the Freq Box and the Lowpass Filter (if you self oscillate it). The FreqBox is my favorite oscillator because it has an envelope follower on the audio input, which you can put an envelope signal or adjustable drum sound into to get a decent envelope.

insomniyack · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:43 am Post subject:

I searched all over for Knob Tweak and couldn't find anything...it's not listed on Google?

Does anybody have the file they could host here and we could download it?

Bryan B · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:52 am Post subject:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/KnobTweak/

FYI: It requires you to list the missing MoogerFooger in order to join.

Also: Pm'd

SquidInSquidInk · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject:

I have to disagree about the LFO not having much effect when you're in "LO" mode. As has been said already, "LO" mode is essentially a tremolo - set the LFO at a slower rate than the Modulators's frequency and you get a variable-rate tremolo. Very cool effect that you can't do with any other tremolo I've ever seen.

I also recommend the $30 Moog expression pedal - plug that into any of the top row of jacks for live tweaking while you play guitar (or use both hands to tweak your synth knobs).

dkcg · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject:

If you got a drum machine or any percussive patched, don't forget to run it through the ringmod too.

SPUDBOY WILSON · Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:58 am Post subject:

min arrived this afternoon,, afterwork I came home, plugged it into POD XT2 Live and my recorder HA-cha!

oh .......yes, plugged a synth running an arpeggio pattern into the carrier in ,I think and it was fun too. my standard tele with dimarzio hum canceling pick ups sounded nice just using the RM drive

I would hate this thing if it sounded thin and brittle, harsh raspy but it doesn't do many of these common harsh noise antics even when cranked it remains
rich, warm and moist love

SPUDBOY WILSON · Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:02 am Post subject:

SPUDBOY WILSON · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Moogerfooger Ring Mod Uses?

DontBelievetheHype · Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:04 am Post subject:

If you plug an expression pedal into the Carrier In, you can use it as a volume pedal or manual tremolo; at about 2.5v (use the exp's taper if it has one)you get a linear volume sweep from heel to toe, and with a full 5v you'll get full volume at the halfway point of the sweep, and the a quick drop off toward toe down. With an MP-201 controlling it, you can send it ADSR envelopes and use it as a faux VCA.. or send it other waveforms for different tremolo patterns, etc.

If you split your signal and send one to the Input and the other to the Carrier In (you need to boost it though, so-so results from an instrument level signal into the Carrier) you get a +1 octave output. (and other divisions if you use a harmonizer to send the carrier different pitches)

bsmith · Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject:

try splitting your guitars signal where one signal goes to the moogerfooger audio in and one goes to the carrier in, and mess with that with the lfo off and the mix cranked all the way wet, works best on HI and sweep around the frequency until you're smiling.
Really cool bit crushed kind of thing, single notes are sizzley and intervals freak out dissonantly, except 5ths and fourths which sound amazing.

onrust nv · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:11 am Post subject:

The ringmodulator realy shines with the CP-251 cv control unit.
I've made with my KAWAI 100F and a phaser+memoryman dlx real weird sound and put that in the carrier in of the MF-102. Than the CP-251 with the S&H in the lag generator and that in the offset mixer with the LFO out of the MF-102 in the mixer and with the other S&H output in a attenuator and that also in the mixer with the noise to the other attenuator. Than the mixer positive out in the freq in of the MF-102 and the negative out in the amount in of the LFO. The result was we're not worthy