Muff's Modules & More

mosaiclive · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: Take a look at my planned setup

I've been researching and planning a small modular to complement my Moog Voyager setup for some time and am just about ready to start purchasing things. I ran an early version past people on a different forum but have since found this one and want to see what people think of my revised modular. Like I said, this would be to augment my Voyager, VX-351, CP-251, MF-102, MF-103, MF-105, & Oberkorn sequencer setup. I'm not looking for any one specific type of sound, just additinal modulation capabilities and different filter sounds.

The A-156 and A-160 are for use with the Oberkorn. Also, I wonder if I should change out the Doepfer Bit Cruncher for another EG like the A-140. I have a lot of simple LFO from my Moog setup that I can use with this plus I can tap into the two ADSRs on the Voyager also. Any critiques or ideas would be appreciated.

MrDys · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject:

Looks really solid. I'd maybe sacrifice the A110 for a weirder modulator (Dalek or similar), but I really wouldn't change much with that setup.

wetterberg · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject:

I'm liking this setup - I really love the 110 myself.

I'd replace the model 14 with some more LFO stuff.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject:

looks good! i would avoid so many filters in such a small setup though - you can get away with one easily and free some space for some more flexible modules 8)

flts · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject:

edit: Scrap it, I wasn't thinking about the model 14. I was just going to comment that you don't really have too much in the mixer department, but M14 and dual timbral gates might do. I might actually scrap some module and replace it with an additional mixer so M14 would be free to more interesting duties, but that's just my needs.

wetterberg · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject:

Muff, I thought the idea was to get some new filter processing possibilities for the Voyager?

If that's not the case, then totally - way too many filters. And I'd probably lose the Frequensteiner, since it's so big.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject:

ah i missed that oops

if the goal is more filters - then yes, more filters for the win 8)

mosaiclive · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject:

Thanks for all the comments so far. I've thought about getting rid of one of the filters but each one seems to cover a different sound that I want to have in addition to the Moog LPF, at least that's what it seems based on the demos I've heard. The two modules I'm not sure about are the Plan B Model 13 and the Bit Cruncher. I've never used a LPG some I'm not sure how much I'd use the M13 and wonder if that space would be better utilized for something else. Aslo, I'm wondering if between the A-137 and aggressive filters if the A-189-1 is not neccasary. I would love to have a VCADSR and was thinking I could loose the A-189 and get the ELF ADSR + expander.

Kent · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

The Bit Cruncher is awesome. I do not see similar audio perversion in your setup. Plus, it can be used to completely mess with CVs.

It is nothing like having a filter. We do have some sound samples up here somewhere.

One thing that I did not see in your setup is a delay. Is that of interest to you?

MrDys · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject:

Use the M13 like you would any audio VCA. Not to say that it duplicates your A-132-3, because it doesn't. Consider it a tonal VCA, if that makes any sense.

mosaiclive · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject:

Okay, I think the Bir Cruncher is staying in. Yes, I love good delays. I actually have the Moog analog delay and I love it. I forgot to mention it in my initial post.

As far as the Model 13 goes- if I just used it primarily as an interesting VCA(as some people seem to) would the be a little bit of a waste of space(and money!)? I guess I'm torn on this one since I'm not as familiar with this type of device and don't know how much I'd use it. I've heard so many great things about it, though, that it seems like it's worth checking out.

MrDys · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject:

There's a switch to kill the filtering on it so it can act as a "regular" VCA, as well. It's the only VCA I use.

It won't deal with CV signals (i.e. for trailing tremolo), though. The A-132-3 and the M13 make a good pair for that reason.

mosaiclive · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject:

Hmm, I'm now wondering if the Model 10 covers me enough for ADSRs. Also, a standard mixer would also be nice although the M14 can do a lot. If only I could fit just a little more in!

Cat-A-Tonic · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject:

dkcg · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject:

I have a sample of 4 model 10s driving a Model 13 in this thread.
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2394

A Dingleberry Monstrosity · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject:

why have a VCA if you dont have any envelope gens or LFOs?

and why do you have a clock divider? running audio through it will suck ass, a better bet would be doepfers audio divider.

mosaiclive · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject:

The clock divider is to work with my Oberkorn step sequencer. I actually have one EG in the setup-the M10. There are no traditional LFOs but I have a lot of those in my Moog setup.

Yeah, a 9U case would be a nice thing to consider. For now, though, 6U will have to do.

felix · Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:

The M13 in VCA mode hardly sounds any more interesting than the 132-3, IMO. In LP mode, it's interesting to use as sort of a "vca with character", but with short percussive sounds, you have the "ring" no matter what, which is sometimes good, and sometimes bad.

I've taken to using my 132-3 exclusively for normal VCA uses, and M13 solely for the plucky stuff

mosaiclive · Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject:

I've been thinking about what everyone's said and I wonder if maybe I should get rid of the A-110 and replace it with an additional mixer, like the 138-c. I would then use my Voyager oscillators with the Z3000 to make complex patches. I like my proposed setup but feel like a standard mixer and basic true ADSR(like the ELF) would be really useful.

Monobass · Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject:

hey Mosaiclive, did you get the modular in the end?

I have a voyager rack with the expanders for cv in and out.