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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

felix wrote:
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it's about time to drop by your modular again!

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Oh yeah for sure. Next weekend?

that'll work!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I've just been playing with 2 recently purchased Borg 2's.

Both seem to have very very different resonance characteristics, even if I use different outputs or remove or replace the jumper on the back. One is very screamy and the other one very much less so. The nicer one won't stops self oscillating at a higher frequency... the stronger one goes almost into subby territory.

I think the varierty could be useful... but I'm just curious about whther this is somehow 'normal'.. perhaps through different tolerances/variences in components. I recall someone mentioning their Borg's differed similarly but I couldn't find the post.

I'm planning on getting a Borg1 also anyway. Amazing modules.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You might be able to calibrate them to behave a little more similarly, but from my understanding, Vactrols vary from unit to unit, so you're likely not going to get identical behavior from any two units. It consists of a a light-source (LED) and a photo-cell. So I imagine that there are several ways for variations to come into play. (imperfections in LED dispersion, LED brightness, varying tolerances of the photo-cell/LDR, isolation, etc.) I think you could probably get a bit closer behavior than what you describe with calibration.

I have a Borg One and a Borg Two, so I can't do a direct comparison on mine.

I'm wondering if the color of LED used would have any impact on this based on wave-length of the color. Now I want to make some vactrols. I may have to buy another Borg, place at socket of some kind where the vactrols connect, and plug in different ones. Maybe go for "ultra-slow" and use an incandescent light. lol Perhaps make a vactrol expansion board, with switches to change between responses...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This is normal, and it isnt a calibration issue, in building these we've seen a pretty big difference from unit to unit...sounds like you have one from each spectrum! It's from the tolerance of the vactrols.
In my personal ones i leave the jumper off for the ultimate w00t w00t



slow_riot wrote:
I've just been playing with 2 recently purchased Borg 2's.

Both seem to have very very different resonance characteristics, even if I use different outputs or remove or replace the jumper on the back. One is very screamy and the other one very much less so. The nicer one won't stops self oscillating at a higher frequency... the stronger one goes almost into subby territory.

I think the varierty could be useful... but I'm just curious about whther this is somehow 'normal'.. perhaps through different tolerances/variences in components. I recall someone mentioning their Borg's differed similarly but I couldn't find the post.

I'm planning on getting a Borg1 also anyway. Amazing modules.

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Aha thanks for the clarification.

I think I got lucky to have the 2... i can see them being complimentary. and also it's possible thru jumper settings and seperate outputs to work with the personality of each different vactrol response. i can tame the screamy one or boost the soft one, for exmaple.

the only issue is the large potential of long term addiction... smile


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This is normal, and it isnt a calibration issue, in building these we've seen a pretty big difference from unit to unit...sounds like you have one from each spectrum! It's from the tolerance of the vactrols.
In my personal ones i leave the jumper off for the ultimate w00t w00t
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yeah, i cherry picked two opposites for myself too, you can get a wide variety of possibilities with the two you have!!!
w00t w00t w00t

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Aha thanks for the clarification.

I think I got lucky to have the 2... i can see them being complimentary. and also it's possible thru jumper settings and seperate outputs to work with the personality of each different vactrol response. i can tame the screamy one or boost the soft one, for exmaple.

the only issue is the large potential of long term addiction... smile


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This is normal, and it isnt a calibration issue, in building these we've seen a pretty big difference from unit to unit...sounds like you have one from each spectrum! It's from the tolerance of the vactrols.
In my personal ones i leave the jumper off for the ultimate w00t w00t

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i think i will try with the jumper on the soft one and the jumper off on the other. smile

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yeah, i cherry picked two opposites for myself too, you can get a wide variety of possibilities with the two you have!!!
w00t w00t w00t
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I walked into BCM today with the honest intent of just buying an Envelator when Josh says, "Hey, you in a rush?"

20 minutes and some knob twisting later I walk out with a Borg to keep the Envelator company. *sigh* At least I got a wooden nickel out of the deal. :insert wooden nickel emoticon here:

Now I just need to find a good place to keep the jumper bit...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

It's peanut butter jelly time! !!!! WOODEN NICKELS !!!! It's peanut butter jelly time!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

felix wrote:
It's peanut butter jelly time! !!!! WOODEN NICKELS !!!! It's peanut butter jelly time!

cry I got my first Malekko euro module today - A Borg 2. No wooden nickel in the box <sniff> <sniff> cry
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

given the multiple ins and outs on the borgs anyone patch up some vc resonance control on these guys?
I have the lpg thing covered but am interested in it as a svf.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Hi5 wrote:
given the multiple ins and outs on the borgs anyone patch up some vc resonance control on these guys?
I have the lpg thing covered but am interested in it as a svf.


Hmm good idea! Hadn't thought of this. Gonna give it a try tonight. Must say that after having a borg I wish all my filters had 2 inputs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

OK, so what's this wooden nickel stuff about?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm pretty sure there were only Wooden nickels in the first production run of the Borg 2 and Boogie filters but then the manufacturer stopped making the wooden nickels. Malekko clarified this somewhere in the forum but I can't find it right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I also got a wooden nickel with the Borg 1 smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

there was a rubber roach in one of the malekko pedals someone opened at an NYC meetup. it was hysterical.
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psst: enlighten a noob - svf?
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dequalsrxt wrote:
psst: enlighten a noob - svf?


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got it, thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

miditerranean wrote:
I'm pretty sure there were only Wooden nickels in the first production run of the Borg 2 and Boogie filters but then the manufacturer stopped making the wooden nickels. Malekko clarified this somewhere in the forum but I can't find it right now.

Yep. Earlier in this thread, or maybe in the Boogie thread.

My boogie must have been just past the cutoff, it had no wooden nickel. Dead Banana

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