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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

random musings.

i'm absolutely fascinated by that trance state acheived from repeated rhythms, and also i guess from dancing. from allowing people to use biologically gifted tools to explore the music. Quite democratic.

i've gotten my kicks in this vein a lot from some minimal techno. i think in a pure/core sense there can be a lot of crossover with these more interesting trance musics. (though Minimal seems often more suited to an indoors experience)

these styles have many pitfalls... it's easy for scenes to go stale/dark quickly, musically, as well as culturally, and often what spills over into mainstream culture is all to often the formulaic music, and dark side culturally. Maybe that's a consistant pattern across time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah it's very interesting, the whole history of music and rhythm for consciousness expansion and cultural homogenisation, going back to african polyrhythmic drumming and indian drone instruments etc. and coming full circle to brain entrainment and binaural beat frequencies.

i agree that minimal techno is often great for this, without being "trance" music per se (as in the genre).

the notion of scenes going stale and the stratification of electronic music is a whole other kettle of fish, but i will say that i preferred it when dj's for the most part were not constrained by a single style or genre. i know some great dj's here who still really like to mix it up a lot (detroit techno with donna summer etc.), which is very refreshing to see.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma wrote:
here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv


Cool set! Thanks.

Does anyone remember this time? It's before
mine. I'm curious as to what the distinction is
between this and Belgium New Beat.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma wrote:
skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?


This is typically called dark psytrance - pioneered by a bunch of Russkies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZnjlE6ThDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tuhAE2hv4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfbU1WsSUo
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

thanks for the links. some very well written stuff there.
I've always been interested in the combination of dance with light and sound to achieve altered states. The references to ego destruction, and reprogramming with the rising of the sun hint at the magick contained.

(i know, go smoke another...)
Rasta-nana cool

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm currently reading Deep Listeners: Music, Emotion, and Trancing by Judith Becker, which is a fantastic book on cognition, listening, music, and trance states (trancing), if you guys are interested in that sort of thing. Doesn't cover US-Euro electronic trance music per se, but gets to some of the ideas that Babaluma was talking about in his earlier post.

My friend Matt did a review of it here with a bunch of other cool recommendations of books on sound.

The Becker book is great and extremely thorough, but very readable and academic without being super dry or highly abstracted. I'd describe it further but I'm only on page 70 and it hasn't quite gotten going yet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

the first track in that mix really reminds of Banco De Gaia for some reason.

btw, this is a great thread. nice to see some discussion about trance back before the great Trance Apocalypse.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entrainer wrote:
Babaluma wrote:
here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv


Cool set! Thanks.

Does anyone remember this time? It's before
mine. I'm curious as to what the distinction is
between this and Belgium New Beat.


i remember 1987, but i was only 13 at the time, so not really aware of the whole underground dance thing kicking off at that time. i really like that goa mix (the first one i posted the link to), but i have no real idea as to how i would classify that music. you can definitely hear roots in their though! i've no idea what Belgium New Beat is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skweeegor wrote:
Babaluma wrote:
skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?


This is typically called dark psytrance - pioneered by a bunch of Russkies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZnjlE6ThDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tuhAE2hv4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfbU1WsSUo


very clever programming but it doesn't really move me and it's WAY too fast for me wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rezzn8r wrote:
I've always been interested in the combination of dance with light and sound to achieve altered states. The references to ego destruction, and reprogramming with the rising of the sun hint at the magick contained.

(i know, go smoke another...)
Rasta-nana cool


hey dude i'm with you all the way!

hihi
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suitandtieguy wrote:
the first track in that mix really reminds of Banco De Gaia for some reason.

btw, this is a great thread. nice to see some discussion about trance back before the great Trance Apocalypse.


haven't heard anyone mention banco de gaia for years, i really loved that ambient tibetan mountain spoken word lama thing he did.

trance vacuum=trance apocalypse

i think it killed itself! wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

that's what i mean.

epic/anthem trance basically destroyed dance music.

all that's left now are some scattered psytrance parties, and psytrance has kind of turned into a genre where every track sounds almost exactly the same.

but then the hippies started doing E and listening to Ableton Live calisthenics.

it's fucking weird.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i loved the very early releases on Dragonfly and TIP Records, but after a couple of years things really started to fester (in my opinion). 95-96 were the halcyon years for me.

i also hate how digital and samey it all sounds now, but like you say, it's the ableton generation. those early releases sound very analogue.

god i sound like an old man!

another thing that never ceases to amaze me is just HOW FEW people in the current psy trance scene seem to be into modulars/on this forum. i mean if you want an acid/lead line with infinite modulation possibilities then the modular is where it's at!
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