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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: *cough cough* Stilton Adapter? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Okay so... does anybody have the harvestman stilton adapter yet? I haven't heard a fucking thing since this came out and I can't stop staring at it wondering how cool it is and how nice the workflow is with pedals. ANYBODY?
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It's pretty fucking convenient, I'll say that. Integrating pedals works quite well and the mix control is really neat with pedals that don't normally have it.

I haven't tried making feedback loops or anything yet, simply using it to integrate pedals and as a guitar preamp, and at those two functions it works extremely well.

Beyond that, it's fairly self explanatory, which is probably why no one is going on much about it.

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Can this basically replace 4 reamps and 4 preamps? Like if I had audio on the computer I wanted to run through and amp or effects box...would this do that as well with a little patching? Anyone try processing audio that way with it, as a front end for the DAW?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

It look hella cool and I was interested in it for a while but once
I started using my 8x attenuator/8x amplifier panel I had all
of that covered. But I'm totally into Harvestman designs!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I really like that he used stereo jacks to get the ins and outs a la mixing board send/recieve. If i had the space and money....the cwejman modules hit my pocketbook pretty hard. lol
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dkcg wrote:
....the cwejman modules hit my pocketbook pretty hard. lol
you know man... in a way that's really comforting to hear! 8)
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dkcg wrote:
....the cwejman modules hit my pocketbook pretty hard. lol
you know man... in a way that's really comforting to hear! 8)


lol If I were made of money, I'd have a Buchla by now and be waiting for some serge panels.
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dkcg wrote:
Can this basically replace 4 reamps and 4 preamps? Like if I had audio on the computer I wanted to run through and amp or effects box...would this do that as well with a little patching? Anyone try processing audio that way with it, as a front end for the DAW?

Sort of. Running through effects and back, yes definitely, that's specifically what it's designed for. Re-amping...maybe not. I don't know how it will handle a mic signal. It does have 30x gain, so paired with a lo-z -> hi-z transformer plug, it will probably work.

You'll probably don't want to run from the modular *out* through the Stilton to the DAW because the stilton is dropping the modular output significantly so that it's not completely overdriving the input of the pedal. It's dropping it to "guitar signal" levels basically.

You could run the DAW outputs back in through the Stilton, which is where the x30 gain stage is, in which case it wouldn't be that unlike 4x A-119s (sans envelope follower and gate/comparator).

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felix wrote:

You could run the DAW outputs back in through the Stilton, which is where the x30 gain stage is, in which case it wouldn't be that unlike 4x A-119s (sans envelope follower and gate/comparator).


That's what I was wondering about. Thanks
Now to buy some lotto tickets so I can get another case started..
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I got a Stilton and have had a blast using the Electro Harmonix POG pedal with it. Instant distortion organ. Haven't had time to mess with any other pedals but am very excited to try some distortion pedals. The Stilton is working great.
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dkcg wrote:
Now to buy some lotto tickets so I can get another case started..

Counter-productive, counter-productive!!! hihi

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Would this replace something like the blacet i/o or the doepfer 119? I'm sure there isnt an envelope follower tho.

Could someone post a clip to sell this baby onto me? THANKS!!! I dont really have many pedals... zoom 505,506 ehx bass synth, ehx memory man, fuzz factory (which is now a module), circuit bent ds-1. Thanks In Advance!!!
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If it had an env follower, I'd be all over it.
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I know this thread is about the Stilton Adapter specifically,
but I would like to highly recommend finding a way in and out of
one's modular by whatever means available. Guitar pedals or any
other piece of crap you can find can open a world of sonic possibilities
and can serve to quell the desire to buy more stuff when it can
be the most dangerous.
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tragedybysyntax wrote:
Would this replace something like the blacet i/o or the doepfer 119? I'm sure there isnt an envelope follower tho.

No I don't think it would replace them (at least the A-119, I have no experience with the Blacet).

The envelope follower and gate/comparator are very useful aspects of the A119 and I find using them every time I use the A119. I have no plans on getting rid of it despite now having the Stilton.

If you just need inputs to your modular, and don't want the envelope follower or the gate then you might consider a Stilton *instead* of an A119. For outputs though, the level drop makes it useful mainly for pedals, signal processors, or anything else that would normally wet its pants at the 10vpp signals coming from the modular.

It also makes a very handy feedback loop maker for pedals, and allows you to easily patch that sound into the modular. Something I plan on, but have not yet explored. Scott also has a matrix mixer in the works which will hook up to the stilton via 10pin cable, forming what he calls a "feedback console". Sounds very interesting.

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I just sent a guy a PM for... even trade a stilton for my malgorithm. smile

Not that I dont love the malgo....... but....... Oh well.
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Yeah I"m so excited about the stilton! I"ll rebuy the malgorithm. Just kinda waiting around if he puts out the version 2. wink
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Dumb question so... if you want to plug your guitar into the stilton... you have to plug it into a 1/4" adapter to 1/8" and go into the "input" right?
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tragedybysyntax wrote:
Dumb question so... if you want to plug your guitar into the stilton... you have to plug it into a 1/4" adapter to 1/8" and go into the "input" right?


You can plug it straight into one of the 1/4" inputs.
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AHHHH!!!! Sweet! Jesus I cant wait for this baby to get here tomorrow! NOW I JUST NEED MY QMMG!!! smile
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Okay so... I"m staring at the stilton I just got in the mail. It's fucking beautiful btw just like all the harvestman modules (eventually I really just want a 6U doepfer case full of only harvestman modules....)

So, I'm not to experienced with send and returns per-say... so bear with me.
K so... If I wanted to actually do a feedback loop and plug a guitar in, I would need to use 3 of the 4 1/4" jacks on the bottom right?

One using the tip going from the pedal or chain's out into the stilton

One using the ring going from the stilton to the pedal or chain IN

One using a TS cable for my guitar or whatever....

This correct? Sorry I'm a jackass and just trieng to wrap my head around some funky routings for this puppy. THANKS IN ADVANCE DUDES AND DUDETS! Mr. Green
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tragedybysyntax wrote:
Okay so... I"m staring at the stilton I just got in the mail. It's fucking beautiful btw just like all the harvestman modules (eventually I really just want a 6U doepfer case full of only harvestman modules....)

So, I'm not to experienced with send and returns per-say... so bear with me.
K so... If I wanted to actually do a feedback loop and plug a guitar in, I would need to use 3 of the 4 1/4" jacks on the bottom right?
No, just two, I think - but to do a proper feedback loop you'll need to set it to feedback mode... I think?
http://www.analoguehaven.com/theharvestman/stiltonadaptor/quickstartgu ide.pdf

it's IS kinda complicated, I agree :-?
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well you'd use 2 of them for pedals. One for in, One for out. right? then if you wanted to run a guitar in... that'd be a third to use just as a preamp right?
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tragedybysyntax wrote:
well you'd use 2 of them for pedals.
no.
Just one. Actually, I believe there's a nice big diagram on your Stilton Adaptor that shows this?!?
seriously, i just don't get it
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you take one of the multed outputs on the far right (that's why there's two) and feed it back to the input of #1 (far left), then you take the other multed output and send that to whatever else (that's your "main" output).
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tragedybysyntax wrote:

K so... If I wanted to actually do a feedback loop and plug a guitar in, I would need to use 3 of the 4 1/4" jacks on the bottom right?
Mr. Green


Here's how to do it:

First, set gain to about 2:00 on all channels, then set mix to maximum (wet signal).

Make sure there are four jumpers on the upper header on the back of the module, too.

Plug your guitar into channel 1 using a plain old instrument cable.

Plug three pedals (for example) into the remaining channels, using TRS insert cables for each pedal. (Hosa STP-201 recommended for desktop use.) Connect the ring terminal to the pedal's input, the tip to the pedal's output. Run the multed output from channel 4 back into the channel 2 input. Listen to any of outputs 2-4 (they are all different) , and tune the pedal controls until the feedback is something you like. Output 1 will be your guitar signal. If you would like to mix some of the feedback into this signal, turn channel 1's "MIX" control down a bit. More complicated routings, such as pushing a stilton-amplified guitar signal through an existing feedback loop like our chans 2-4 example above, can be accomplished by using an "EVIN 209" matrix mixer that will be released in the next few weeks.

For good results making pedal feedback loops, I recommend using a really hot and nasty distortion or fuzz, a digital delay, and a pitch shifter. Envelope filters also work really well. For taming a feedback signal for better behavior, try patching a Polivoks VCF inbetween channels. It works surprisingly well.
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Plug your guitar into channel 1 using a plain old instrument cable.
More complicated routings, such as pushing a stilton-amplified guitar signal through an existing feedback loop like our chans 2-4 example above, can be accomplished by using an "EVIN 209" matrix mixer that will be released in the next few weeks.


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I'm very much looking forward to hearing some samples of Stilton setups! SlayerBadger!
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governor blacksnake wrote:
More complicated routings, such as pushing a stilton-amplified guitar signal through an existing feedback loop like our chans 2-4 example above, can be accomplished by using an "EVIN 209" matrix mixer that will be released in the next few weeks.


I've been hoping someone would make a matrix mixer for the Euro format; it's far too rare of a module in any format, let alone non-existent in Euro. It's fantastic that you're making this and I imagine the noise/feedback crowd will absolutely adore it, as well as many others. It's wonderful that you've been so productive in putting out such unique modules rather than retreading common ground. Keep up the phenomenal work!
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acrodot wrote:
governor blacksnake wrote:

Plug your guitar into channel 1 using a plain old instrument cable.
More complicated routings, such as pushing a stilton-amplified guitar signal through an existing feedback loop like our chans 2-4 example above, can be accomplished by using an "EVIN 209" matrix mixer that will be released in the next few weeks.


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http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2356

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http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2356



Yes, I'm very excited! Buying one the second I see it at AH.

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So.... I went and got 3 insert cables today! 6ft hosas.... I'll report back tomorrow at how badass my experience tonight was! I"ll try to post some clips too. smile Sorry guys... I didnt realize what the fuck an insert cable was.. makes sense being a Y.
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So.... I went and got 3 insert cables today! 6ft hosas.... I'll report back tomorrow at how badass my experience tonight was! I"ll try to post some clips too. smile Sorry guys... I didnt realize what the fuck an insert cable was.. makes sense being a Y.

hooray! I actually need to get some shorter ones for pedals that normally stay on the table (moogs).

An "insert" cable is a Y-shape, but don't confuse it with what most folks refer to as a "Y-cable" which is really a splitter/mult.

An insert is a TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) connector on one end and two TS connector on the other. The Sleeve connection on all are the common ground and the tip on one of the TS connectors corresponds to the tip connection on the TRS and the tip on the other TS connector corresponds to the ring on the TRS connector.

Insert cables get their names because many mixer manufactures use the TRS jack as a way to "insert" a compressor or equalizer post-preamp but pre-fader.

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Those Hosa adapters that split into 2 female 1/4 inch have the labels of "TIP and "RING" so there is no confusion.
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Okay... I need to upload some clips this week. I had a fucking blast with my stilton, a fuzz factory, EHX memory man, EHX Bass Synth, Sherman FIlterbank2 with an AFG being the tone source.

JESUS THIS JUST TOTALLY CHANGED HOW I WRITE MODULAR MUSIC! It's so nice with all the attenuation boosts and cuttings......... so much fun to use the modular with pedals now. Time to use some different pedals for new recipes and that new matrix mixer to plug into this bitch! STAT!
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Okay... I need to upload some clips this week. I had a fucking blast with my stilton, a fuzz factory, EHX memory man, EHX Bass Synth, Sherman FIlterbank2 with an AFG being the tone source.

JESUS THIS JUST TOTALLY CHANGED HOW I WRITE MODULAR MUSIC! It's so nice with all the attenuation boosts and cuttings......... so much fun to use the modular with pedals now. Time to use some different pedals for new recipes and that new matrix mixer to plug into this bitch! STAT!


PLEASE upload some samples! I have my Stilton in the rack, staring at me....mocking me.....and I have not a single pedal yet. It's killing me!!

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Not a feedback loop, although there is some feedback in there from teh Tresonator. Guitar plugged into the geiger counter and into stilton channel 1, Fulltone GT-500 in channel 2, TResonator in channel 3, Moogerfooger 104z in channel 4. Channel 1 goes out to an ASys RS-35 External Processor, and my playing, creates a trigger and levels CVs which are opening and closing one of the Cwejman ADSRs. This is used as a CV for the MMF-1 which the stilton's effects loop feeds. The ADSR is also used in the filter. That's why when I let that gate stay open a while you can hear the delay and the rest of the time it's hidden behind the envelope. The Stilton rocks. I've barely started even using the feedback capabilities, even the built in effects chain is sweet.e drums are Jomox 888, sequencing the accompanying ringmod bell type sounds. All in one take, if you can't tell by my bad timing.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I just received my Stilton Adapter and am having a problem with it (might be a user problem, not sure). I have my guitar plugged into it and for some reason the left channel is always more active than the right channel on all the inputs. When I pick a string, it never leaves the left and right channels evenly, it always drops from the right channel first and then a couple seconds later it drops from the left channel. I tried this with a couple other devices and saw the same effect (different devices, different cables). Is there something I'm doing wrong? Mix is at full wet and gain is typically between 12 and 2.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

sgnhh wrote:
I just received my Stilton Adapter and am having a problem with it (might be a user problem, not sure). I have my guitar plugged into it and for some reason the left channel is always more active than the right channel on all the inputs. When I pick a string, it never leaves the left and right channels evenly, it always drops from the right channel first and then a couple seconds later it drops from the left channel. I tried this with a couple other devices and saw the same effect (different devices, different cables). Is there something I'm doing wrong? Mix is at full wet and gain is typically between 12 and 2.


What exactly do you mean by right and left channel? I didn't think there was anything stereo about the Stilton Adapter.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

sgnhh wrote:
When I pick a string, it never leaves the left and right channels evenly, it always drops from the right channel first and then a couple seconds later it drops from the left channel.
this sentence doesn't make a lot of sense to me - are you using a delay pedal with this? What would induce such a "delay"?
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I have my modular connected to a mixer and then to my stereo--however, on the mixer, I can clearly see the right channel drop before the left channel does.

What would induce such a delay? I have no idea. I think my mixer might just be a piece of shit.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

can you describe your signal chain? That part isn't very clear to me...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sure.

Guitar>1/4" in on Stilton Adapter Channel 1>1/8" out on Stilton Adapter Channel 1>Channel 4 on mixer>L/R mixer output>stereo>speakers

So the modular goes right into my mixer on a mono channel and outputs from a stereo channel. I originally thought the problem might originate at this stereo output, but that doesn't explain why I can see the LEDs on the mixer confirm what I'm hearing--given that they work independently of how I choose to output the sound.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

and channel 4 is a mono channel, correct?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Okay, I plugged my headphones right into my mixer and things should as they should. I think I may have just blown my speakers.

Edit: yeah, Channel 4 is mono.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

yeah, then the problem is somewhere between the mixer and the speakers - or indeed in the speakers.
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