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tuj · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: video integration

I want to integrate video to my work, very tightly coupled type stuff.

Can someone suggest to me a good way to go about this in terms of software? I use Live as my DAW and I know it can do a bit of video, not sure that it can handle what I'm thinking.

Ever see the 'We Have Explosives' video from FSOL? That's the type of thing I'm thinking. Or Coldcut's Natural Rhythm. Very tight integration of visual elements with timbre elements/rhythmic events.

And no, I don't want to do a eurorack video-scope type thing, even tho that stuff is cool too.

Also recommendations for a camera would be appreciated as well.

Wigglers thoughts appreciated!

sandyb · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject:

if you're wanting to do video that is reactive to the sounds you produce things that spring to mind are quartz composer, max/msp/jitter or isadora maybe.

if it's to hand cut the video to your music then pretty much any video editing software will do the trick. it's more down to your skill editing it then. something like motion or after effects might be useful depending on exactly what you're doing.

xpander · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject:

max/msp/jitter. i doubt there's anything better.

ndkent · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject:

Well it's worth mentioning max/msp/jitter is a programming environment, not an app you could use straight out of the box. Certainly worthwhile if you have the time to devote to learning them.

I've not really explored if and how well Jitter, the video tools for max integrate with Live. I'd think whatever video features you may have encountered hook in that way. Live on it's own doesn't deal with video afaik.

You might want to look at various VJ apps. There is a certain satisfaction and speed in doing things realtime.

One very useful connection is many VJ apps can be remote controlled with MIDI

Lots of news on the latest resources here:
http://createdigitalmotion.com/

spbaker · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject:

it's fantastic that the hardware and software we (the great unwashed masses) have access to now, that this kind of thing can be realised without custom hardware and a million dollar budget.

do you want to do this live or as a carefully crafted AV track?

if it's live then look at Quartz Composer (mac only but "free" as it comes with he developer tools) or Max/MSP/Jitter, or even the multipurpose VDMX is great, as it has lots of audio FFT stuff that can be sent to various video clips. If you want to record any of these then you'll need a screen recorder like iShowU HD.

if its a bit more control you are after the After Effects or Apple's motion will give you that capability. Just convert the audio into keyframe data and attach it to the parameters of whatever you want. check out this tutorial on videocopilot.net

dkcg · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject:

Bricks · Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject:

If you do any coding, Processing is all bees and knees

amsonx · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:28 am Post subject:

another choiche is Isadora, the Mac version has audio capabilities too and use the AU..
personally i own VDMx and Isadora and are two different animal but in common have a modular approach to workflow and good integration with quartz composer

BTW they are'nt free

amsonx · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:33 am Post subject:

tuj · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:52 am Post subject:

I guess I should add that I work on pc, so that's a limitation for me. I haven't worked with Max in well...probably a decade but I do remember it a little at least. Which is to say that the object-type environment programming isn't entirely foreign to me. I also used SuperCollider at one point as well.

So it seems to be starting to narrow down to Max/MSP, VDMX, and Isadora?

Edit: I guess VDMX is out because its mac-only?

sandyb · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:18 pm Post subject:

give isadora a try and see what you think. it works fine on a pc. i use it on macs now but had no problems with it on pc in the past. you can download it here:

http://www.troikatronix.com/izzy-download.html

the download is a completely working demo, except you can't save the projects.

franzschuier · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject:

sandyb · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject:

spbaker · Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject:

check out VVVV too for PC, i've heard good things, and i think it's free?

laserpalace · Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject:

i'm currently working on circuit bending an old NES to take voltages from my modular during a live performance, so far it's been successful. I've added a couple LFO's to the NES to fluctuate different bends. I'll post some videos when I get it working properly.

ndkent · Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject:

The mention of relatively older acts like FSOL and Coldcut makes me think of something more like Arkaos, which was out then and now.

rastko · Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject:

Yes isadora is very good and not so hard to learn, but maybe I am wrong and I can not check the videos you mention now but you want something like a video sampler .

If yes and any was maybe you did not know but you can import directly video into able ton live.

So as you would play clips you play video with sound. Insect buzzing and then elephants farting in like the Tempo you play your clips . Or without sound.

Sorry if misunderstood what you want to do.

R

lizlarsen · Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:18 am Post subject:

lizlarsen · Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:20 am Post subject:

Oh, and my vote for software would be Resolume Avenue. smile

It's got extensive MIDI mapping, so you can loop it back from Ableton and have the DAW trigger all the sequences.

stk · Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: