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Johnisfaster

I often patch a doepfer noise into my ext inputs, but I was wondering if the noiserings noise output could be used for this, is the noise source mathematically linked to the 1 and 2 output in some way or would this give me the same results as if I were using the doepfer noise into the ext?

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Johnisfaster · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject:

I could be wrong here but it seems like using the same noise source that is being used as a sample source would yield different results than if you used different noise sources. Maybe not?

edit: what I mean here is that the noise seems to be the variable, if you're using the same variable for 2 functions wouldn't that effect the outcome?

slow_riot · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject:

i see what you mean.

i think the outcome would be different in individual cases. But in the long term the probablity of outcomes would basically be the same.

I think it's not worth replacing the internal NR noise with external noise. the circuit is basically perfect, you will have more satisfying results by changing, by hand or automation, the chance knob. And putting different data into ext. like lfos or whatever.

slow_riot · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject:

actually i have no fucking clue what you're on about i don't think.

you can use the NR noise out for whatever you like, and it won't affect the NR data register and it's outputs.

rico loverde · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject:

I do this quite often with my noisering

Johnisfaster · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject:

Maybe I'm just insane then, nothing to see here.

baltimoroder · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject:

Since noise is used a random (binary) voltage source, patching in different noise/sounds should give you a different stream of outputs. But the n+1 & 2n output voltages are the product of a DAC conversion, so while the noise to some extent drives the _tendency_ towards certain voltages, it doesn't set the absolute value of them.

If that makes sense... hmmm.....

http://www.wiard.com/1200/NR/grant4.gif

baltimoroder · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject:

but yea, the noise output is just noise.

mono-poly · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject:

Well you could patch a filter or vca between smile

slow_riot · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject:

i spent lots of time trying to understand the NR, read all the info 1 million times, but in the end the best way was just to use the fuckin thing. It's a bit of a logistical riddle at times, but ultimately is very simple and obvious once you've spent time with it. I still can't process it logically, but I use it all the time and know what it's gonna do more or less.

bsmith · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject:

Yeah it's white noise. As to how it relates to the main 1 and 2 outputs...