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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

grantrichter wrote:

Then there is the JAG


SO HAPPY!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Very Interesting Info!
I cant wait for the Xmix, I've been wanting something like this for ages, but I've been waiting for better options to come along applause

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I've had the Anti-Env in my modular planner for a very long time. Looking forward to it popping off the computer screen into my hot little hands!

Did these power issues suddenly become relevant when people started making their own power supplies or getting cheaper makes than the standard Doepfer and ASys designs? I can't believe that after hundreds of modules in existance that have worked as designed that somehow the spec is inferior for a another osc or envelope.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Learning the Euro infrastructure Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

REwire wrote:
I've had the Anti-Env in my modular planner for a very long time. Looking forward to it popping off the computer screen into my hot little hands!

Did these power issues suddenly become relevant when people started making their own power supplies or getting cheaper makes than the standard Doepfer and ASys designs? I can't believe that after hundreds of modules in existance that have worked as designed that somehow the spec is inferior for a another osc or envelope.

Dan


I honestly do not know. Another gentlemen stated the Doepfer supplies are adjusted to 5 millivolts. These would not show a glitch at the Saw2 output on the Uncle oscillator since the glitch trim should be getting the correct voltage. The Tri2 output is derived from the Saw2 output and a moving glitch will appear on Tri2 only if there is a glitch on Saw2.

Otherwise the Tri2 glitch should be stationary fixed to the switching point. All the triangle wave circuit is an inverter and two diodes to pick the lowest voltage (a minimum circuit). The only way a moving glitch should appear at either Saw2 or Tri2 is if the power supplies are different than when it was calibrated in the lab.

There are too many variaables to check. I just know now that I can't rely on the absolute value of the supplies to be accurate. Now that I know that, I will compensate in the design. But it took a while to sort out all the info and arrive at a conclusion.

I agree it is the designers responsibility to compensate for KNOWN problems in the electronic infrastructure of a modular. I didn't know at the time about the Euro infrastructure. These designs all worked under +/-15 volts without problem. (there were 100 each of the NR, JAG, Borg and Boogie shipped without incident under the 1200 series line).

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

that sometimes the best way to learn!
hope to pick all the wiardup (although on the long run for me) one of the major reasons i started last year

keep it going and have fun weekend
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

grantrichter wrote:
mono-poly wrote:
Grant do you got any news about the anti envelope?
Is it still planned for a release?


Then there is the JAG and last the Anti-envelope.



I hope "last" doesn't mean last, as in the series is completed.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Learning the Euro infrastructure Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

grantrichter wrote:
These designs all worked under +/-15 volts without problem. (there were 100 each of the NR, JAG, Borg and Boogie shipped without incident under the 1200 series line).


As I know you and Josh have heard many times before, there are several people with high-grade +/- 15v supplies in their 5U cases that would gobble up a run of Wiard modules. thumbs up

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Learning the Euro infrastructure Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

bwhittington wrote:
grantrichter wrote:
These designs all worked under +/-15 volts without problem. (there were 100 each of the NR, JAG, Borg and Boogie shipped without incident under the 1200 series line).


As I know you and Josh have heard many times before, there are several people with high-grade +/- 15v supplies in their 5U cases that would gobble up a run of Wiard modules. thumbs up

Cheers,
Brian


I will second this. I would buy 2 x anti-osc, 2 x osc, basically anything i haven't already got in 300 or 1200 format in a heartbeat. I have recently started thinking about designing for myself a pair of dual Wiard oscillator modules in 300-format using front panel designer and buying a couple of each, converting them myself. Would much prefer somthing "official".
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for letting us know the plan Grant!

I can't wait to get the Anti-envelope and Jag in my system.
I'm looking forward to hearing more details about the XMIX.
I think my euro setup will be complete once I get these last Wiard modules... Next I plan on getting a few Serge M-Class panels with my tax return money. When will it end?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Very interested in these new modules! All Wiard/Malekko is looking good(inc. MN WoggleBug and Blacet Mini Wave of course).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

grantrichter wrote:
The Uncle Oscillator proved that the Euro-rack infrastructure is not stable enough for advanced designs. If the +/- 12 volt supplies were reliable, there would not have been any waveform glitches.

..snip...

And I think I have it solved, so I can get back to working on finishing the remaining designs in the series.


This is great news. Will this include a new revision of the Unkle to fix the waveform glitches?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

if there was something that could be done to the Uncle OSC design to fix the glitches I would do it immediately, whether it meant sending it to Josh or doing a mod myself

of course, I am having power supply issues, so the waveforms on mine sound worse than they would in the system of someone else (and i don't mean during LFO use but audio-rate). frustrating, but it still sounds great.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I don't know if this has already been suggested, but how about a Malekko Euro power supply?

It seems power/noise threads are popping up all the time now, and not just in connection with the Uncle. Given that everyone needs power, if someone could get together a well-grounded, low-noise source of power, with a good 5V supply, and enough juice to host a raft of modules, including Metasonix, they would fill a pretty big gap in the market.

Just my 0.02 pence.

seriously, i just don't get it

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

@Prunesquallor

What is it about the TipTop Zeus system for example that you think is lacking?

Also worth reading Grant Richters comments quoted in this thread, not nearly as black and white as you suggest.

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30188
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

@Monobass,

The initial reports of Zeus sound great, but is it The Answer? Has it eliminated noise in anyone's setup? How does this switching supply-based system compare with a quality linear supply-based system? Can it handle Metasonix modules? I haven't found answers to these questions yet.

How are you getting on with it?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The only question that doesn't seem to have been answered in terms of quality in other threads is how it handles Metasonix.

Have you considered actually mailing TipTop and asking? Just an idea hihi

I haven't installed my TipTop nboards yet, I may get as far as testing one module today but my case is probably a month off being finished.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Just seen your message. Nah, no-one's posted any comparisons. Good idea about contacting Tiptop directly, tho. thumbs up
Looking forward to hearing how you get on if you ever post about it.
Anyway, I'm outta here before this thread gets derailed further... (hides)
Cheers!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

so much exciting info! for what it's worth, anti-env, jag and power would all be quickly swept up and integrated into my setup.

be patient, be patient...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

that is, if a wiard/malekko power situation is actually a possibility at all...or just speculation...
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

ahh new wiard /malekko modules hyper
and again ahhhh hyper

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