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| polyslax wrote: |
Hmmm... I wonder if a Harmonizer price drop might be coming to keep the hardware attractive or if the markets are different enought that you wouldn't expect plugin sales to eat in to hardware sales? |
doubtful. the software is some fruit from the tree... the hardware is the tree. besides.. hardware has its appeal and lot's of pros and just a few cons.
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It's surreal to see someone wish that I lose my job (have Eventide go out of business), even if I don't work in the audio division here.
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Hmmm...
The new Pro-Tools plug-in format, AAX, is
replacing both TDM and RTAS. The AAX
format can be both Native and DSP accelerated.
So, yes... they may be going "native", but
it doesn't mean we'll see AU or VST versions.
I guess it depends on their AVID contract and
if Eventide signed an exclusive agreement.
It would appear to make sense financially to
support AU and VST, unless they get a premium
or signing bonus with AVID.
At this point, with computers becoming faster
and faster, I think the only way AVID can win
is to lure the best 3rd party developers into an
exclusive deal, like how XBox + Sony Playstation
have their exclusive flagship franchises.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| apfEID wrote: | | It's surreal to see someone wish that I lose my job (have Eventide go out of business), even if I don't work in the audio division here. |
that raised an eyebrow for me too.. but i think (hope) that it just 'came out wrong' and wasn't meant that way or something.. but not having said it i can't speak for him.
i'll just say that i would love you to have your job as long as you want it.. whatever you do! 
and if you feel like hitting up the water cooler in the audio division and eavesdropping on some plug in info we'd all be much appreciative 
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Entrainer wrote: |
So, yes... they may be going "native", but
it doesn't mean we'll see AU or VST versions.
I guess it depends on their AVID contract and
if Eventide signed an exclusive agreement.
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they did say they were going Au/VST. it's in the eventide forum.. posted by someone who works for eventide.. it's also mentioned in a couple other places by people who work with eventide.
scroll down to 2nd to last post on this page
http://forum.eventide.com/cs/forums/t/5274.aspx?PageIndex=2
"We have announced that we are also doing them for AU and VST2."
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| ignatius wrote: |
"We have announced that we are also doing them for AU and VST2." |
Ah, that's nice. Didn't want to get my hopes up for nothing : )
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| Entrainer wrote: | | ignatius wrote: |
"We have announced that we are also doing them for AU and VST2." |
Ah, that's nice. Didn't want to get my hopes up for nothing : ) |
i've had my hopes up for so long. half the posts in that eventide thread are mine 
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| polyslax wrote: | | Hmmm... I wonder if a Harmonizer price drop might be coming to keep the hardware attractive or if the markets are different enought that you wouldn't expect plugin sales to eat in to hardware sales? |
I'd happily nab another H3000 or two if thats the case. 
Bear in mind that people hang onto their H3000's not just for the processing power, which has been far, far outstripped by newer models, but for the awesome sound, convertors, and that je ne sais quoi.
Edit: Misread... Thought you were talking about 2nd hand market, still my point stands. |
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The prices look fairly reasonable, but I hope they do have bundles too. $99 here, $149 there, $79 there, all add up.
As for the hardware versions, kinda nice not needing a computer that could crash in the middle of a show. I think the hardware will be fine, the pricing on the software seems like a lot more will get into Eventide. $2000 for a 2016 vs $150 for the plugin version, should get people to loosen their wallets much more easily for $150 than $2000.
I wonder if the Lexicon reverbs going to plugins had a big factor in the decision. Either way, it's good news for me. |
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| dkcg wrote: | The prices look fairly reasonable, but I hope they do have bundles too. $99 here, $149 there, $79 there, all add up.
As for the hardware versions, kinda nice not needing a computer that could crash in the middle of a show. |
totally agree about pricing and bundles.. i hope they do a couple bundles.
and re: hardware - exactly.. no crashes.. and no computer and super low latency.
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| lilakmonoke wrote: | | what we really need is an open hardware platform where the best codes can be developed in public domain and uploaded. then eventide will be out of business in next to no time. |
There was an open hardware platform few years back that failed miserably.
You have things totally backwards. Hardware is what is cheap, developing great sounding algorithms is really expensive. |
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| ignatius wrote: |
i've had my hopes up for so long. half the posts in that eventide thread are mine |
I've been burned by the 'Tide.
Promises, promises, promises...
(just the H8k editor for VST/RTAS)
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| ndrd wrote: | | lilakmonoke wrote: | | what we really need is an open hardware platform where the best codes can be developed in public domain and uploaded. then eventide will be out of business in next to no time. |
There was an open hardware platform few years back that failed miserably.
You have things totally backwards. Hardware is what is cheap, developing great sounding algorithms is really expensive. |
Soundart Chameleon? Great piece of gear but the developer community never grew in the way most had hoped it would.
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| Babaluma wrote: | i thought there was already a native version of the 2016 reverb, no?
i think this could be cool, again, depending on pricing! i've always wanted to get the "rainbow dome musick" style effects (that's a really old eventide i believe). |
princeton digital did a 2016 room and a 2016 plate pc VST plugin about a decade ago. I think that's all the algorithms it had. I guess they are somewhat vintage and work well in rock mixes rather than big showy bells and whistles.
Did they announce the specifics on what's coming out? On many digital effects it not so much that one can code one but the nuance and usefulness of a company's programming that makes people seek out a specific one. I guess people want either a lot of higher end fx in a plugin or a particular quirky emulation.
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| apfEID wrote: | | It's surreal to see someone wish that I lose my job (have Eventide go out of business), even if I don't work in the audio division here. |
im sorry, i am in no way suggesting that you should loose your job. i just dont understand the de facto monopoly of eventide on high quality hardware effects ... and i wish that knowledge was in public domain, just like linux is a better operating system because its in public domain.
here is an example of why i think that makes no sense. i just bought an eventide time factor because thats the best delay i could find. im shure that same dsp box could also run all the effects in the space/mod/pitch boxes as they all run the same standardized interface. so im actually paying 500$ for 10 delay codes. this box needs a usb port, an open api and uploadable codes. that would add maybe 100$ production cost, but of course eventide then would have to reveal their secrets delay codes so we will never see that.
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LOL ... i just checked the time factor has a usb port so thats one up for eventide! now, where is the API for it ;-)
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| lilakmonoke wrote: | | apfEID wrote: | | It's surreal to see someone wish that I lose my job (have Eventide go out of business), even if I don't work in the audio division here. |
im sorry, i am in no way suggesting that you should loose your job. i just dont understand the de facto monopoly of eventide on high quality hardware effects |
that's not the case though. TC electronic, lexicon, bricasti etc all make very high end FX processors that in some cases are pricier than eventide's most expensive hardware units by a factor of 2.
i understand the sentiment about the FX pedals but there are other considerations...
also, i think the open source thing is a mixed blessing/double edged sword. personally, i'd rather have a bug free well supported system/OS/algorithm in any given product than something built by committee.
i'm not a person who codes things and designs algorithms. i want to turn stuff on and have it work and do what is advertised. i'd argue that most people are of a similar mindset. it's a very small portion of the market who wants to nerd out and make his/her own algorithms or do some open source yada yada this and that.
and why should eventide spend all this time developing algorithms and great sounding shit then just give it away for nothing? they've been developing their products for decades.
the great thing about free enterprise is that anyone can advance his own vision. so, if you want a bunch of great stuff in the public domain then make it happen. go spend time learning to write great FX algorithms and make your own DSP hardware product that runs all kinds of stuff. there are people doing this already with various hardware platforms.
so, not reason you can't too.
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| Quote: | | and why should eventide spend all this time developing algorithms and great sounding shit then just give it away for nothing? |
because its the 21st century and all relevant ideas, concepts and models are free and afloat online. its all about the collective evolution of ideas and not about trade secrets and copyrights. eurorack not roland. so if you are a smart company you integrate your stuff into that energy.
that should be obvious if you come from a modular background. eventide of course is not so they dont but i wish they would. i dont think i could ever program anything in their class but its just nice to know somebody could.
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| lilakmonoke wrote: | | Quote: | | and why should eventide spend all this time developing algorithms and great sounding shit then just give it away for nothing? |
because its the 21st century and all relevant ideas, concepts and models are free and afloat online. its all about the collective evolution of ideas and not about trade secrets and copyrights. eurorack not roland. so if you are a smart company you integrate your stuff into that energy. |
ideas relevant to who? i don't think this is true, yet. i think you are viewing the world through an internet prism. that internet utopia or whatever.. doesn't exist. there are still plenty of people who don't even have an internet connection.
also, i think you're veering into copyright/piracy etc discussion. i didn't bring a 10ft pole to this discussion so i'm not getting into that.
| lilakmonoke wrote: | | that should be obvious if you come from a modular background. eventide of course is not so they dont but i wish they would. i dont think i could ever program anything in their class but its just nice to know somebody could. |
i think the internet and what is and can be is mostly obvious to everyone. but we aren't in Neal Stephenson's Snowcrash or The Diamond Age yet.
i don't get the bit about "modular back ground". you may have to explain some more how that extrapolates.
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