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fluxmonkey Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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for the unipolar switch, you could use a pot w/ a push-pull switch... i do this alot to sneak in an optional feature... kind of adds a "secret" element that i like _________________ www.fluxmonkey.com
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EATyourGUITAR has no life
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| fluxmonkey wrote: | | for the unipolar switch, you could use a pot w/ a push-pull switch... i do this alot to sneak in an optional feature... kind of adds a "secret" element that i like |
yeah I thought about that but that but I dont like beating on the knobs when they are up cause I could accidentally push them in. this a great idea though cause you would not notice it if you dont use it but its there if you need it. I also like the idea of having a phase switch on each knob. this would kick some serious ass in a feedback matrix mixer. |
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Luka Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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even without the switch i'd use linear pots just in case you want to use it for cv
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EATyourGUITAR has no life
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| thats the sacrifice I dont want to make. the answer is to make more modules. one for CV and one for audio. |
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Luka Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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fair enough - i suppose if space is of no concern build 1 of everything  _________________ .
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emdot_ambient Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| fluxmonkey wrote: | | for the unipolar switch, you could use a pot w/ a push-pull switch... |
EATyourGUITAR's panel got me going on doing an altered version using push/pull pots on all the matrix points. I think I've sketched out a way to make each pot switchable between unipolar and bipolar instead of having one switch per column. I'm also looking at adapting the CGS04 DC Mixer to the CGS33B Matrix Mixer column schematics because it's already set up to accommodate like 8 inputs instead of 4. Also I'm using 16mm pots with 0.5" knobs, which allow the columns to be much closer...have to check about vertical spacing between the pots (have to allow room for the switches on the pots. But I'm sure I'll be able to get at least 8 pots across a 2U MOTM width (though I'll probably end up using 3U or more to have room for all the jacks)... _________________ "That's not a guitar, that's some kind of musical instrument!" ~ my wife |
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EATyourGUITAR has no life
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| emdot_ambient wrote: | | I think I've sketched out a way to make each pot switchable between unipolar and bipolar instead of having one switch per column. |
yeah I already figured out how to do the mod. its way easy. I also figured out how to add a phase switch on each push/pull pot instead of unipolar/bipolar. you just feed the signal into the second inverting amp instead of feeding the first inverting amp. your attenuators get hard wired to ground. easy as pie. did I mention that inverting matrix mixers, when used for feedback, become simple flip-flop oscillators. just like the 40106 projects using inverting buffers as oscillators with a resistor for pitch. you can do it on a matrix mixer where the attenuator is the pitch but each oscillator will FM the other oscillators. you get 16 pitch knobs but no way to get audio in or out without adding buffered outs and 2 input mixers on each channel. I smell an expansion module brewin. |
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EATyourGUITAR has no life
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:29 am Post subject: |
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attenuators
$59 no fill
$79 white infill
maybe $40 in parts to build it |
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EATyourGUITAR has no life
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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EDIT: updated the design. this looks way better and its cheaper.
MOTM format attenuators |
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negativspace Manhattan Analog
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:49 am Post subject: |
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So I've finally decided on a feature set and design for a Dual J3RK 258 in Euro... just want to make sure my bleeding eyes are not missing anything.
The PCBs are about 26hp wide, so this is 28. The large knobs are Davies 1913BW, 1 1/8" diameter and available at Mouser. I'm using 1900s for the rest. (Same height - nice match.) I'm implementing the saw/square waveform switch and adding an LED. I've brought out all 4 waveform taps to the front panel, hopefully I can fit all 4 buffers and an LED driver in the muck(s). If not, I'll have to make a daughterboard... 'SCV' stands for Shape CV, i.e. waveshape CV.
Holes - 6mm for jacks, 7mm for pots, 3mm for LEDs and 6.35mm for the two switches.
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rico loverde Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Looks great Negativspace. I have always like your designs. _________________ works for Malekko Heavy Industry |
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Luka Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:55 am Post subject: |
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If it were me id put your bottom row of knobs above the fm row since you have jacks below them. Im not saying that because im the kind of guy who likes all jacks at the bottom and knobs at the top but more so you dont have jacks obstructing controls. _________________ .
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EATyourGUITAR has no life
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Luka wrote: | | If it were me id put your bottom row of knobs above the fm row |
meh, I dont think it needs to change. if you have it all patched up your hand can enter through the bottom or the top. as long as the knob height of the two big ass knobs is not more than 6mm above the top of the little knobs. if your little knobs are too shirt, you will have 4 knobs hidding between the big knobs and the jacks. |
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negativspace Manhattan Analog
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| rico loverde wrote: | | Looks great Negativspace. I have always like your designs. |
Thanks!
| EATyourGUITAR wrote: | | Luka wrote: | | If it were me id put your bottom row of knobs above the fm row |
meh, I dont think it needs to change. if you have it all patched up your hand can enter through the bottom or the top. as long as the knob height of the two big ass knobs is not more than 6mm above the top of the little knobs. if your little knobs are too shirt, you will have 4 knobs hidding between the big knobs and the jacks. |
Normally I'd have the jacks below - and a slightly different control arrangement to go with them - however I've established a pattern language for my Euro-Buchla with a couple of other panels (below) and I need to stick to it. I find in practice that the spacing works OK for my skinny-ass fingers.
The height of the big-ass knobs is 5/8" - same as the small ones. No issues there.
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emdot_ambient Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Luka Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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If it is usable for you fair enough - i think it makes sense to have scv pot closer to inputs and fine tune near coarse. _________________ .
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EATyourGUITAR has no life
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| pretty sweet to see matching layouts. how much did they cost each? |
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negativspace Manhattan Analog
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with emdot, but I think it's practically impossible to avoid a little layout critiquing - and that's fine. No sense fighting it.
I also agree with Luka - the control arrangement is a little 'off' as I mentioned earlier because I wanted to stick to the established pattern. I'd like the fine tune up near the coarse knob too, and the shape controls could go nicely in the bottom row with the SCV... but there's no room to label the fine tune control that way. Its position makes it intuitive to grab it as the waveshape control, so I can't rely on proximity to label it for me.
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