Muff's Modules & More

pleaseohplease

as such let me begin by apologizing.

for the past four months i had to keep my mouth shut on a lot of the, shall it we call it "shenanigans", going on at plan b. Basically, i was depending on peter for my paychecks which were split between modules and cash. As such, i was kind of in his pocket, so to speak. And just to give y'all some insight into my situation, i'm 24 and moved down to la temporarily to work for peter for two months under a work for modules agreement (i had been teaching beforehand and thus had two months worth of paychecks coming my way even though i wasn't working anymore). So i thought, hey maybe i could work for a synth manufacturer, build my own system, and learn about building my own synths along the way. Long story short, peter said he would start paying me after my two months were up, and so i found a place in venice and told him i would stay for four months. We calculated the amount i would get paid each month, along with the weeks he would pay me. More on how he completely ripped me off later...

for now though, i just want to say how sorry i am for all the people who have been affected by plan b. there's a lot you should know, most of it illegal or bordering on illlegal, i'll leave that for others to decide.

There's a lot to say, four months worth of crap that goes on working for a man on the brink of madness, who clearly passed that brink not too long ago (just look at most of his posts here). So, i think i will leave this thread as a place for me to leave excerpts from my journals of working at plan b. I'll fill them in as i take breaks from the beach during my final week in california. Or if anybody has any specific questions feel free to ask.

In the meantime, i would like to say one very important thing.

There are a number of modules in the shop for repair. Most of those modules have been sitting there since i arrived in February. Rather then making an attempt at fixing them peter instead pulls parts from them, or instructs us to pull parts, which we then use to make *new* modules. I've already talked with a fellow synth manufacturer about this and he recommended informing people about this pronto since it is clearly wrong. I decided to wait until i was officially out, and for that i apologize.

That's about all i would like to say for now. I still have a friend employed at plan b who is waiting for a paycheck tomorrow, peter already stiffed me on mine this week. Thus, i don't want to say anything else that might effect roger buying peter's stuff this week and thus fucking over yet another plan b employee. One a week is enough i would hope. (roger if your reading this, please buy peters stuff tomorrow so a least one employee can get paid, luckily i have a family in new york i can go back to, but the other employee is very much dependent on that check.)

Once again, my sincerest apologies for not coming forward sooner. I know in time this will work out for everyone, hopefully.

cerebrosis · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject:

disgusting

ignatius · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject:

whoa.

scozbor · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject:

Moog$FooL$ · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject:

i don't think u really need to apologize for anything.... it's not your company, your gear etc. doesn't sound like u did anything wrong. in fact, good for u stepping up & telling these guys what's actually happening to their modules that are "in for repair" or should we say in for "pilfering"!!

this is absolutely THEFT by PG.!!!!! angry

WRONG little man!!! very fucking wrong Mr. Grenadier!!! u are stealing from people that have bought & paid for your modules.

i'm in no way advocating violence to anyone..... but what i will say is that shit comes around & sooner or later the wrong persons gonna get taken advantage of. then.... well i think u know what i'm driving at.

vav · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject:

Would you be willing to testify is someone brought Peter to court?

Junk Rhythm · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject:

wetterberg · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject:

I am torn.

first of all man, I feel your pain. And it sucks having to be at the other side of the table for so long!
secondly I'm also madly fascinated by this whole story. Like, om nom popcorn like. I'm sorry, I know that's totally morbid. help

But kudos for coming forward with this. I know a lot of people still aren't in the clear, and this really doesn't look good for their disappeared items :-(

droolmaster0 · Guest

Wow. Joey - that took some courage, I think, to expose that. This is the closest to a 'smoking gun' that we have here.

I publicly apologize for my cynicism as regards your motives. As I said in the pm that I just sent you - in the fog of confusion unleashed by Peter and Jennifer, I wasn't sure just what your 'game' was. But you were trying to do good, and so I'm sorry.

jonkull · Last edited by jonkull on Thu May 21, 2009 7:45 pm; edited 1 time in total

VanEck · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject:

Sorry to hear about your situation man... it seems like the more anyone supports Peter, the harder he screws them.

At the end of all the "shenanigans", those who are closest to him/ work for him/ distribute for him, are the ones to get hit the hardest by this mess... not just those of us with missing or broken merchandise.

You never came across as a corrupt individual in your earlier posts, and it confused me as to why someone of good conscience would continue to work for and defend Peters... with your latest post though, the situation is much clearer now and I can see that you had no choice as you were depending upon him to try and make ends meet.

Thanks for giving us all more insight into the state of things going on in the shadows there, and confirming some of the things that Peter has been vehemently denying.

Also, welcome to the ever growing Adam Henry list. Soon everyone but Peter himself will be on it, as apparently the whole world is out to get him in his mind, and he can do no wrong.

Muff Wiggler

brandon daniel · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject:

JohnLRice · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject:

yoowza!

SynthBaron · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject:

In b4 Peter claims that "PleaseOhPlease" is just some sockpuppet troll for another manufacturer and they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

amnesia · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject:

Well done Joey.

People need to stand up we are all being hurt by this mess.

Now are people starting to see the big picture? The hearsay is real people!

I feel like playing Gavin Briars -The sinking of the Titanic CD

Sad sad times :-(

pleaseohplease · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject:

@all...soliderity!

@vav...yes, i would *love* to tesitify in court about all this.

@drool...just pm'ed you back. but publicly i just want to say how hard it's been to hold back saying that i'm on your side man.

@amnesia...same for you man. all this stuff you've been saying that people have called heresay, i've been sitting here saying, "no, it's all true goddammit". I just couldn't state so until now. it's truly a shame, not only the number of people that peter has screwed over, but how most of those folks were supporters/admirers of his.

apfEID · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject:

Yowza.

BananaPlug · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject:

aetherpulse · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject:

This whole thing has been like watching a train wreck in slow motion!

I hope you guys get your stuff/money eventually...

sascha.victoria · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject:

Wow! Go Joey!!!! If he spills the beans on half the stuff he told me when he dropped off one of my modules you guys are in for a good read!

Personally I've been holding onto all the stories I've heard because I feel it is my last batch of ammunition because I'm still out 1 module. If Peter is indeed going to BCM tomorrow hopefully they will claim the pre-paid modules before buying more from Peter.

bubblesound · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject:

it's really good to hear from a witness to the madness. thanks for posting Joey.

amnesia · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject:

Where has all the money gone?

COKE!!!!

oops hearsay remember

mono-poly · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject:

What a dickhead mr grenader.
Do you have a euro system?
I will give you a nice mixer module for it
At least it some kind off payment for your work!

Soy Sos · Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject:

pleaseohplease · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:17 am Post subject:

@bubble...yeah, long overdue.

@amnesia...in due time...

@mono-poly...that would be really amazing. if you don't need it and don't mind giving it away, i would gladly take it. let me know your address so i know where to send the tin of cookies! and thanks!!!

mono-poly · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:54 am Post subject:

Hey PleaseOhPlease pm me a shipping adress and i will take care off it.
I don't need anything back from you.
I just feel sad how Peter fucked you and it is good for my Karma to help you like this.

Illiac · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:00 am Post subject:

take the cookies Mono!!

You're a stand up guy.

jenamu6 · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:15 am Post subject:

Wow, the plot thickens. What an amazingly sad story this is turning into.

Almost like a falling rockstar script.

@Mono-Poly nice gesture !

phaedra · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:17 am Post subject:

Hi Joey,
I apologize that you are also one of us, so near and so far away, it is unbelievable. You will find a place in my third part of the Plan B review, promised! It will be a good one (the place)!
Much luck so far and thanks for all
Axel

A Dingleberry Monstrosity · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:37 am Post subject:

jesus.

xpander · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:40 am Post subject:

man, Plan B: A Drama of Muff Wiggling has been a captivating read.

i award the OP one flaming Leeper:

Dead Banana

pleaseohplease · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:46 am Post subject:

thanks y'all for the moral and module support (yeah mono-poly!).

I'll be ok, but i'm more concerned about the those still working at plan b. For now though, time to sleep...

richard · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:04 am Post subject:

Mr White · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:59 am Post subject:

WHAT - THE - FUCK

THIS ********.....

SAY ALL YOU WANT BUT I SWEAR NEXT TIME I'LL BE IN LA ***************************************************.

***************

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:41 am Post subject:

please do not threaten anyone with physical violence again on this forum - sorry but not acceptable.

this is your warning. thanks.

Fnord · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:54 am Post subject:

Seriously. An assault conviction isn't going to get you your modules back, and in the marketplace of ideas, once you resort to violence, your original argument is null and void.

2012

mono-poly · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:57 am Post subject:

Yeah i did post all his crap on 2 other websites now.
I got to save the world!

Funky40

Mr White · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:05 am Post subject:

Plan B · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:39 am Post subject:

Excuse me Joey....

again. let's get back to reality here.

This temper tantrum you speak about was my anger for your insistence that we drop production to help you troubleshoot your M25 and M26 when we were under extreme pressure to deliver five M32 to the remaining folk who prepaid and production modules in which to meet payroll. The reason this had become such an issue was the tools required to do the modifications on the M32 were at your house because you had taken them from the facility without my knowledge and we were now running late on their completion because of it. This is why I became angry, because you would not drop wanting to look at your modules, knowing we were needing to deliver product the following day (today). The Issue of pay did not come up until a few hours later when you texted me...AFTER YOU DIDN'T RETURN FROM LUNCH.

To say you were 'in my pocket' is an interesting twist on the fact that you had asked for two weeks out of the month to be barter on working for modules and two weeks for pay, which was your request after you came to LA and something you requested be changed from your original arrangement you proposed. This is what you asked for once we moved to Los Angeles. If you were unable to make your way with that agreement, this is not my issue. I did what you requested and there were times when I paid you out of turn to help out when you needed it, most notably a $100 advance tat came at midweek without notice to help you with the down payment on your living arrangement. This came without warning, and didn't have to pay you these funds, but I did to help out.

For the record, Joey contacted me several months ago asking that he work as an intern for modules only, that he would need no pay. It started off this way, but he then asked to have that arrangement changed, which I agreed to. There was not one instance in which we wasn't paid, there will be no instance where we won't be paid even after his dismissal. WHat I believe he is making an issue over publicly now is the fact that I said yesterday that while he could have a check tomorrow, the check would not have funds until Monday. Please remember gang there are other individuals being paid tomorrow - two of them. Joey's payday sn't until next week, although I was aware that I would need to take care of this due to his dismissal, which was due to his causing a delay in our manufacturing by having company property at his home which was required to finish the Model 32's and his insistence that we drop production yesterday in order to look at his modules, at a time when he knew he had caused us a delay, on a week where I had committed to completing the remaining prepay m32's. There were other items which came up during his tenure which had got us to the point where more of the same would constitute this action. I do not believe he was completely surprised by yesterday's outcome.

fonik · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:58 am Post subject:

i stayed out of this whole issue for weeks, but now...

dear peter,
obviously you read this thread. i just wanted to ask: why don't you just answer the important questions about the (re)funds/delivery/repairs of your customers modules/orders?
why do you take your time to discuss minor issues and sidetalks, but not answering emails instead?

actually i am speachless...

Plan B · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:00 am Post subject:

Also please understand yesterday started of poorly when I arrived to work at 9:30 to find Joey had his own personal project all over his work bench. I had asked him on several occasions not to do this. Within a few minutes after this, he started asking when we could take the time to look at his M25 and M26. He first asked for noon, I couldn't agree to that, then said how about 1, and this is what made me angry. The fact that we were now a day behind in the completion of the m32's for the remaining prepay's because he had tools I needed to do that at his house, after seeing he was again working on his own projects at work (in which he had used a few of our switches, jacks and components without asking if he could do this) and moments after being told not to work on his own gear, instead of working he immediately starting asking when we could drop production to troubleshot his barter gear.

We all have our point when we draw a line in the sand. When it becomes obvious that the situation would only get worse and I took care of that the way I saw fit. We had had discussions about al of this in the past. I was clear that when time allowed we would work on his modules and we always did. But knowing the pressure we were under this week, I felt his request to drop what we were doing in midday a bit beyond what an employee should ask for. My comment to him yesterday was this is about the company, Joey, it's not about you. When our work is completed, then I will look at your modules, but I am not gong to drop everything to meet a schedule you have devised which does not tae the company's charter into consideration.

Plan B · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:07 am Post subject:

I am not avoiding any delivery issues here. I am delivering five model 32's to BCM today who will send them out to the remaining prepay orders. Chad Kettering, Jon Kull, Brian and Ben Pechenco and Axel if he hasn't yet taken his claim to a point of no return. The rest of the orders which have not yet been shipped have begun chargebacks and at that point, I cannot help them. They are requesting their money to be refunded by their credit card company and by doing this paypal no longer deals with the issue and I cannot stop the chargeback from happening.

Mr White · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:12 am Post subject:

Peter can you tell something also to us continuosly ignored!?

why you dont reply to our emails privately!?

when we will get something from you!?

Mr White · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:20 am Post subject:

Mr White · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:38 am Post subject:

no fuckin way to make me reply.... w00t

haricots · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:36 am Post subject:

Peter, your reputation has been horribly damaged. You've been called a thief, drug addict, liar, bad boss and even worse business man. You owe money and goods to individuals and businesses. At least one business (BCM) is stepping in to help old customers and possibly even yourself. This is one of the strangest situations I've come across on a forum and your behavior and reactions are even stranger. You have what looks like great products, why are you throwing this all away?
Deliver goods, refund customers/distributors, pay your employees and answer the questions of these poor folks who feel betrayed by you.
If your business is in jeopardy, then come out and say it. Say something useful.

Gordon Cole · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:44 am Post subject:

Plan B · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:47 am Post subject:

Ywho's calling me a drug addict? Would someone please shed some light on this for me? I've been called all the rest, but I am confused on this latest one

chimologic · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:53 am Post subject:

PETER PLEASE RESPOND TO THE CLAIM OF PULLING PARTS FROM OLD MODULES FOR REPAIRS TO CREATE 'NEW' MODULES.

This is the most important and eye opening part of Joey's post don't try to ignore it.

you might not be a drug addict. But I've certainly known a few drug addicts in my life that certainly have better business practices that you do. And thats a shame.

haricots · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:59 am Post subject:

fonik · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:24 am Post subject:

peter, i would response to mr white. it's still not too late.

i would response to all my customers. it's not too late.

[end of active participation]

Plan B · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:25 am Post subject:

Gentlemen,

Despite the fury which has boiled in this forum which has created a panic which prompted individuals to begin chargeback procedings, know that once you do you transaction has been cancelled. Once this occurs paypal no longer recognizes the order and will not inform me which credit card company has been used. I see postings here stating what you really want iss your module, but it won't/can't happen once a chargeback occurs. Now, we've all had a lot of fun calling me names, the lowest of the low and now a drug addict iss added to the pile. That's great, but now can we get back to the business at hand. I've left my phone number on this list on several occasions - here it is again 8185680966. My records indicate there are four people stll owed m32s which have not stopped the transaction due to chargeback: (leaving last names out for privacy) Brian, Ben, Chad and Jon. Everyone else of the remainders, per Paypal, has begun chargebacks. If you are not listed and feel you are due an M32, please give me a call.

Regarding these last allogations of substabce abuse, much like the others which come to fore in this forum - it is undefensable and I will not attempt to sway these tides. A situation has occured here where nothing I say is taken to be anything but lies which leaves the door wide open for anyone to say what they wish. Just know that when the real issue at hand is closed - delivery of the remaining five m32's and the repairs - then I will be taking action to the full extent of the law to clear my record of these false accusations. I understand completely the temptation for outlaw justice on the internet, but fortunately this does not come above the protection afforded individuals in defense of slander. All things in due time, but right now I'm keeping on topic: fufilling the remaining orders.

phaedra · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:32 am Post subject:

A few minutes before I was listed also for a M32!
What has happened, dear Peter?

thx1138 · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:36 am Post subject:

the panic was caused peter by you ignoring emails for weeks and weeks , this thread and all the others ? they are the direct result of your inability to communicate anything but your own private life and problems and an inability to communicate like a normal human being does in business.The drugs accusations i think stem from the fact you are acting like a crack head.

[quote="Plan B"]Gentlemen,

Despite the fury which has boiled in this forum which has created a panic which prompted individuals to begin chargeback procedings,

Plan B · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:53 am Post subject:

Dear Axel,

Since then I have learned from paypal of a change in your claim. Again, contact me offline because paypal has informed me you do not want it any longer and I am holding your repars pending that clarification in order to save you the duties which you would have to pay if I sent the m32 by itself on a separate invoice

pleaseohplease · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:55 am Post subject:

sorry, repost from other thread, but peter posted in both so i just wanted to tie up any loose ends...

good morning folks.

yeah good stuff coming from peter grenader as usual. As before, i think everything that could be said already has been. I think it goes without saying though that pretty much everything peter has been typing up regarding me is delusional and clear cut signs of a delusional psychotic.

I'll touch on few points just to show how delusional you are.

the first day i came to work in pomona *you* offered to start paying me cash at the end of my two months.

those tools i took home...i asked if i could borrow them. *you* said yes.

when you arrived yesterday morning, i was working on four model 13's for *you*.

as usual, every "problem" in your life is a result of your delusional behavior.

the reason i left yesterday was because

1)you never paid me in modules for last week. All you had to do was plug them in and tell me if they're working properly. you promised to meet me on friday afternoon. friday afternoon came, you needed money desperately, and so i stayed until six o' clock helping you finish the lfo's. monday comes and you still didn't meet with me. instead you fell asleep in your chair. Tuesday, more of the same. wednesday more of the same. Perpetual ignoring of your obligations to an employee. Finally thursday, almost a full week after our originally intended meeting, i waited a full half an hour before piping up and asking if we could maybe meet. you kept mumbling, later, later... i asked politely if we could do it earlier since everytime you said you would do it later you would get busy. you mumbled something else and refused to look at me. so then i walked over to you and explained that i would really appreciate it if you just made good on your promise. you then went into your rant about how i'm being selfish and not thinking of the company. personally, i find it very hard to think about the company first when the company isn't paying me.

2)peter than started getting livid and saying how he didn't owe me "shit". I then reminded him about my hours for this week which were to be paid in cash and he said something along the lines of "i don't owe you shit, i'll see you in court". So i took a deep breath, sat down, continued working on the m32's and then waited for you to leave before taking my final exit.

so yeah, just wanted to clarify that for the record. if it was really even needed.

you create these situations, people follow what you say to a T, and then when you forget what happened, or simply change the truth in your mind, you flip out at said person.

and people do you know what he needed the drill for? He needed to drill the joystick holes on the pcb's because he forget to include it in the design. How the hell does someone forget the joystick hole in a joystick module? So those new batches of m32's will have a nice big gauged out hole in the middle of them. Hope they work!

For now, time to make some coffee...

phaedra · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:25 pm Post subject:

pleaseohplease · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject:

*quick note* let's try and keep the various threads organized. they're starting to coalesce into one big mess. let keeps the other thread for strictly customer complaints and missing orders, and this one for important information regarding plan b's mistreatment of employees, former and present, and things that go on there that customers deserve to know.

Also, i would like to say publicly to peter, if your so serious now about cutting me a check, i think it would only be fair if you paid all the people you owe money to before me first, especially those other interns (kind of funny how *every* intern who ever worked for you has gotten burned). Otherwise, it's kind of like i just cut the line in a three year que.

Malekko · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject:

All i got to say is wow...i can break labor laws by just calling them an "intern"?!?!?!
Hey Joey...how do you feel about Texas!?

w00t

webb · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject:

2012 · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject:

all this blah blah is nice and well,

if u cannot fullfit the order flow because of any reason,u should have prevent ppl be able to pay for new orders and first complete backorders and all modules that where send for repair

and certainly not provide a dealer modules and leaving all others behind

If u cannot do that because the incomming flow of money from orders is to importand simply stop made modules then instead of generating more and more disapointed customers

pleaseohplease · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject:

Alright, coffee made, sun rising higher, time to write.

I think it's about time things were made clear regarding drugs and peter.

When i first met peter i was under the impression that he was a really chill guy who didn't do any drugs. he was down, but kind of been there done that kind of dude.

Only after two months of increasingly erratic and just plain bizzare behavior did the other employees and I begin to suspect that maybe drugs were at play. Besides personality alone, he had begun living with a prostitute with a known drug addiction. We were a little worried. Especially since he would bring her to the office whenever he would come to work.

Then one day i come in and i see a glass tube on peter's desk lying half exposed under some schematics. Keep in mind, i never saw him smoke anything, i just saw this tube on his desk. I didn't even know what it was. I knew peter didn't smoke things besides cigarrettes so i was bit curious and picked it up. immediately i noticed a strange unfamiliar odor. the tube had a bulbous end and was covered in what looked like black tar. Now being naive i didn't even know what this was for and thought, "perhap's it's some kind of strange component for a new module, like a vacuum tube or something?". Only about a minute or two later did reality click and i realized it was something a little different. I then asked the other employee to come over and take a look at it. He did. we both weren't very happy.

upon peter arriving to work later that day with jennifer, i asked him "hey, so ah, whats the deal with that crack pipe?" Keep in mind, i don't really know if it was a crack pipe, that's just what i assumed it was. Peter got angry, jennifer looked down, and then peter mumbled some half coherent stuff about something probably not related to the topic at hand. i let it slide for then. later that day jennifer stepped out and with the other employee next to me, i said, "so peter, you made me feel really innocent today, i saw that thing on your table and i didn't even know what it was." Peter then got more upset than before and barked that it was jennifers and that it was none of my buisness.

fast forward about a month. peter in one of his good moods told me that that tube in question wasn't actually jennifers, but rather belonged to customer. i asked if it was a famous customer and peter said no. he said it was a guy who just bought a lot of modules. so i asked, "he just came into the office and was like, mind if i smoke some crack?". to that peter responded something about how it was meth, or something along those lines, not crack. I didn't really believe anything he was saying and just kind of let it slide, as usual.

so there you have it. that's one of the things i found lying next to the half completed m32's and various half scavenged repairs. keep in mind, i never saw him smoke anything, and i'm not trying to imply that peter was using drugs; i'll let his behavior be the judge of that. i'm simply stating what i saw as an employee at plan b. I'm not the only one, the other employee saw and heard everything i did (except that last bit about peter saying it was a customers).

peter i know posting this isn't going to make you happy. but hopefully it will lead to a positive intervention.

all things aside, you have a serious problem. maybe not drugs, but something definitely is not right with you. I'm no doctor and i don't know exactly what is wrong, but please, as a former friend, seek professional help.

now, to the beach!

ignatzthemouse · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject:

I've been reading all the plan b threads for ages.
Come clean.. its all a big joke you chaps are playing to have fun with all us recent new members... isn't it?

Jesus.

fridgebuzzz · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject:

cerebrosis · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject:

sounds like a meth pipe, wonder whos it was?

mono-poly · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject:

pleaseohplease · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:22 pm Post subject:

couldn't resist looking before heading out...

@malekko/mono...texas is a bit hot for my blood. but luckily i'm from new york and will helping out a local synth manufacturer when i head back! Dono-Kun Dance

brandon daniel · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject:

ehdyn · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject:

adam s · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject:

Reese P. Dubin · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject:

I would love to see more photos of Plan B's production facility, I really like the one with 3 guys crammed onto one small table all hanging out soldering bits together, and drinking beer. Dont get me wrong I drink loads of beer when I am building things, amongst other things I shouldnt do according to THE BOOK.

The insight offered into this thread make it appear amazing that ANYONE has EVER gotten anything from Peter, a notorious synth buyer/seller/flipper here in NYC told me a few years back to NEVER deal with peter, and if HE even thought dude was bad news... So a company producing electronic devices does not even have a component layout for their PCBs???hahahahah too much man. What a clusterfuck! Alleged drugged up prostitutes are building modules and publicly applauding their efforts when they actually work??? Is this all an elaborate joke? Pulling parts from repair modules to complete "new" ones??? A whole new dimension to the ponzi idea there... I cant believe there is any thing so rare in any of these that you dont have extras...100k resistors maybe????

PETER, I WANT SOME PLAN B STUFF STILL...SALVAGE A BIT OF YOUR DESIGN LEGACY AND LISCENSE THIS SHIT TO SOMEONE WHO CAN HANDLE PRODUCTION AND DEAL WITH CUSTOMERS BEFORE IT ALL SINKS INTO THE HEAP OF HISTORICAL OBSCURITY.

thx1138 · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject:

haricots · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject:

droolmaster0 · Guest

yeah - he doesn't pick up the phone either, except when he can't talk to you. then he tells you that he'll call you back in 5 minutes, and doesn't. Oh yeah - he'll also pick up the phone if he wants to scream at you like a maniac.

[quote="thx1138"]the panic was caused peter by you ignoring emails for weeks and weeks , this thread and all the others ? they are the direct result of your inability to communicate anything but your own private life and problems and an inability to communicate like a normal human being does in business.The drugs accusations i think stem from the fact you are acting like a crack head.

amnesia · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject:

yes prostitutes building modules for plan B

I thought that was pubic hair!

classy stuff

droolmaster0 · Guest

I personally don't think that there is enough here to make drug accusations. Certainly the behavior is weird, but I think that it's different to say that you suspect it, and another to state it as fact. Personally, while drugs certainly can lead to some bad behavior, I don't think that doing them is an ethical issue, and I think that the whole thing is getting a little clouded by this. Peter is responsible for his behavior. He is responsible for it whether the explanation is that he's on drugs, whether he's crazy, evil, or he's hearing voices from another dimension. Well, I guess if he's actually schizophrenic then our society would deem him not responsible, and I would agree. But in that case, he shouldn't be in charge of a business at all.

If drugs are a problem then that points to a solution. Often people who clean themselves up can fix up their lives, and make amends to people. But I think that on the level on which we are dealing with this, drugs shouldn't really be part of the conversation. This is just my opinion.

fluxmonkey · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject:

ach_gott · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject:

amnesia · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject:

[quote="fluxmonkey"]

jtclicker · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject:

Joey, you might like to think about how you phrase your comments here. If you engage in criminal activity, even at the behest of your boss, you also are breaking the law. Modules sent for repair, and their components, are the property of their owners. If Peters steals the parts, fine. If you help him...

Kudos for coming forward

sascha.victoria · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject:

Someone asked for some pics in one of these threads. I forget where so I'm posting them here. I took these with my phone through the door on a Wednesday morning around 1130 when nobody was at work. Go figure. I'd guess the room is about 15x15, about the size of an American college dorm room.

p.s. this is my first time uploading a pic so I hope it worked...

Veqtor · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject:

I've been really passive in these going-ons with plan-b, but as things are unfolding now it is starting to become like a deja vú for me.
I was working at a company, not plan-b, a couple of years ago, initially as an intern, after six months of "internship", that is, working and sometimes getting some money, I finally got employed, the boss then later claimed that all the money I had been payed for working for him, I had stolen!

He was also selling used or "quick-fixed" goods as if they were new and doing repairs was his lowest priority. As he f'ed every employee over all the time, lots of time was wasted on educating new "interns" all the time, so there wasn't really much time to get things done. As if that wasn't enough, he'd sometimes steal money from his own company when he needed a reason to fire someone and wanted some money he didn't have to pay tax for, that money he used to pay "treatment sessions" at the sect landmark education, which he was a part off.

Look out for this kind of persons, they are very much real, more common than one would believe and they have no sense of respect for anyone but themselves.

gwaidan · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject:

Seems such a shame that one of the people who has been burned by this has been Laurie Biddulph at Elby Designs, when he would have been the perfect person to actually manufacture Plan B modules in a professional manner with proper documentation, cost and price them properly to ensure staying in business, and deal with customers effectively so they keep coming back...

sascha.victoria · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject:

i've been thinking along the same lines... wouldn't it be cool if someone licensed/bought plan b's designs and actually brought them into production?
bbob[/quote]

Peter was definitely offered this within the last 10 months and he couldn't get it together to make it happen. So it goes...

SynthBaron · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

Mr White · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject:

at least I succeded doing something for me and for the community....
but claiming a chargeback dont necessarily mean that we will have our money back for sure!

paypal give me back $0,95 of the $530 i paid to Peter!

if I finally have my money back no worries, but if not you Peter still owe me money.

as I said before I dont want to get stuff I dont paid. I'm a honest person who wants only what the fuck he paid for.

Andrea

bubblesound · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject:

Reese P. Dubin · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject:

pleaseohplease · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject:

@adam...wonderfully true observation on the inversion of that list. that's exactly the way peter has it, except without number one or two at all. in regards to the check; if i had that amount of money in the bank, i would pay it to never have to deal with him again. receiving text messages from him until two in the morning is enough. plus the amount that he owes me in cash is about 200 dollars and he plans to subtract a certain amount for changing the locks even though i said i would bring back the keys.

keep in mind, when i left it was because he was yelling at me, flailing his arms, and screaming how he wasn't going to pay me. only after i'm back home cracking open my first beer did i text him once asking for some final clarification of his stance on the paycheck. he then said he would pay me monday. i then reminded him my payday is tomorrow, as mandated by him. (Technically, it should have been the week before in order to "stagger" the checks as he wanted, but he said this friday and i agreed). he then says i'm wrong and that my pay day is actually next friday. at this point, i was just like, dude, peter, i'm sick of your lies. goodbye.

@jtclicker...i know man. Unfortunately, i chose the wrong synth manufacturer to help and learn from. i contacted buchla beforehand, but never got a response seriously, i just don't get it

. it might not mean much, but if i ever design and sell my own modular system, those whose parts were pillaged will receive a module gratis! In the meantime, please accept my apologies and efforts to right a wrong situation.

@veqtor...i feel your pain man! very similar experiences indeed...

@all wanting to purchase well made plan b modules in the future....

start a petition. the last remaining full time employee is really the boss of operations, in regards to honest operations, and knows what he's doing. petition peter to hand over control to him. maybe for three months and see what happens. All he needs is for peter to show him how to do the final testing procedures. then it could be a fully functional system without any need of peter being anywhere around anything. in regards to incoming repairs, there's a synth repair factory two blocks down. we give them the schematics and broken modules, i'm sure they can fix em. if folks get organized and make this very clear to peter, perhaps even talk about a possible three month distribution test period to see how the transition goes (bcm and analog haven if your reading!), i'm pretty sure a positive intervention with peter can be achieved.

L0ren · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:37 pm Post subject:

droolmaster0 · Guest

This is not mismanagement. This is a man who is totally unethical and dishonest.

L0ren · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:06 am Post subject:

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Soy Sos · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:47 am Post subject:

"Plan B needs an intervention if it is going to survive. Mismanagement is going to ruin what could be a great contribution to the synthesizer world."

Why should it survive?

Please people, stop talking about how great P.G.'s designs are and it's so sad and if only he could get it together...... Fuck Blan P and fuck P.G. Those who are owed money or modules need to get their shit and then everybody needs to move on and stop wondering what could happen if bla bla bla. There are so many choices out there now. How do you think this guy got such an inflated ego? From people kissing his ass and telling him how great he and his designs are. Curious how swell the model 30 could be? Forget about it , there are several sweet digital oscillators coming out from reliable companies soon, bet on that. Wondering how cool would it be to get your hands on P.G.'s joystick? (joke) Who the fuck cares? Buy Flight's Choices module, I have 2 and they rule. This guy has been fucking with people's money for YEARS, why has it taken so long for the word to get out about him? P.G. = Pure Garbage

tragedybysyntax · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:59 am Post subject:

Okay so.... i've been on vacation since last week. i just got to this post and... this sucks man. Peter had some cool shit coming out and or already out.. Something I JUST thought about as i'm sitting in my hotel room in san fran smoking on some of cali's finest....... So i wonder if when EAR group was livewire/plan b, I bet mike brown realized this shit back then about peter and caused the split. Anybody have an idea of how that went down or why? I really wish all you guys that have your modules in his graps the best. Honestly. Thank guys! smile

droolmaster0 · Guest

God damn it man - I want some of what you're smoking. I'm here in SF. Do you deliver?

amnesia · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:01 am Post subject:

guys if you want some heavy drugs go visit Plan B when Jennifer is stripping repair modules , you get crack and modules, well maybe no modules but crack

amnesia · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:12 am Post subject:

that box is mine....see it was mailed to Chuck Noisebug..

WHERE ARE MY MODULES PETER!!!!

phaedra · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:29 am Post subject:

As long as our friend Peter has no sense of injustice we can write and speak and whatever, it will lead to nothing. Whether his blackouts are caused by drugs, by sex, by dumbness, by everything else....I don't know.
Fact is that he has blackouts, I have no other explanation for his strange behaviour and meanwhile I believe that he is not in the state to ship a box to elsewhere. We have a chance if someone takes him back to reality. He is changing agreements in minutes from one side to the other and believes very strong in that what he tells.
He is living in his own world and nobody can reach him. So I and the rest of us should not wait any longer on modules or refunds.
He is definitely not in the state to do rational things, I suppose.
Oh, what a long night you have, Peter.
It is really the height of impudence how you took us for a ride!
Wake up and solve the problems or stay in your spiritual darkness and also away from the rest of the world.

ignatius · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:21 am Post subject:

L0ren · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:27 am Post subject:

Reptil · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:37 am Post subject:

pleaseohplease · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject:

another morning in paradise.

today, i was going to talk about how peter treats those who work for him. but at this point i don't even know if that is necessary, his comments and actions speak loudly enough.

instead, today, i would like to talk about some of the further unprofessional things that go on at plan b. Keep in mind, what i'm about to say i was intending to keep to myself or only share privately. but being how peter has decided to publicly say false things about me, something i've never done to him, i don't really have any sympathy for him anymore.

today let's talk about what else me and the other employees are fortunate enough to find around the office.

one day we come in, this after peter hadn't been to work the day before, and there's pornography on one of *our* work tables. peter never came in to work that day. the next day, the porno is gone, and instead there are now stalkings in place of the porno. once again peter never came to work. the next day, stalkings gone, panties left on the floor.

although good, the best was when we came in one morning and there's a porno dvd lying on his desk next to a bottle of baby oil. (for the record i don't mind whatever kind of porn people are into, just don't throw it in your employees faces). i don't know what went on but the other employee and i were so throughly grossed out that we left work early.

so yeah there you have it folks. that's what me and the other folks unfortunate enough to work at plan b have to deal with, among other things.

some of you might think me mean to post this, but again, i think customers have a right to know what goes on next to their modules being built, or modules in for repair. Had peter not publicly stated falsities about me and my work i never would have posted this. The final straw was his most recent post to analog heaven, a list i've followed ever since falling in love with synthesis. And, as usual, i have witnesses to everything just stated.

Sorry peter, but you should have thought a bit more before ripping me off, and then to add insult to injury, making up stuff about me.

newgreyarea · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject:

OK, fine, I'll chime in.
I don't like that post. You didn't have describe whatever type of porn he's into. It comes off as you taking a jab and it also comes off a little intolerant of the way different people get their sex on! As I have many gay, tranny, you name it friends I had to say something.
You could have just stated that he left porn and suggestive sexual items around the office. That is very unprofessional, but trying to "out" him publicly I find tacky.

Personally, I don't give a fuck if he runs around in a wig with half the sex shop stuffed up his ass and a crack pipe stuck to his lip so long as he gets people their modules and or money and keeps coming up with good ideas!!
Seriously, Peter, get your shit together so I can start throwing my money your direction!

-b

pleaseohplease · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject:

agreed. i didn't like doing it either.

i too have many friends of various walks of life. I in no why intended to imply that i'm not tolerant of alternative lifestyles. Rather, i come from a place where alternative lifestyles are the norm.

i have deleted the type of pornography it was. but the description of the work environment will remain.

newgreyarea · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject:

Cheers mate! Much better! I appreciate it!
-b

Soy Sos · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject:

Joey,
I am quite convinced the guy is a world class jerk and I certainly have had my suspicions about drug problems. I do however think that this latest post has caused you to loose some credibility. By bringing this type of shit out it's just further muddying the waters and giving the guy another excuse to go ballistic, which should be happening.... right....about.........now.
I hadn't planed to ever buy the guys stuff no matter what and your information about sloppy Q.C. ect, is good to know. The porno stuff does no one any good. I'm sure a lot more people than anyone would like to know about are jerking off all over the damn place to all manner of materials.

Suburban Bather · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject:

Thank you Joey, I was just about to give a "+1" on newgreyarea's comment. I do understand how steamed you and everyone else with unfinished business feel.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject:

+1 for the different ways people get their sex on

i really dig big girls. so crucify me. whatever works for any one in particular is just fine by me. that's one of the best things about sexuality in my opinion, the incredible amount of variety out there, it's an entire universe. and should be.

yeah it's alarming and tacky as hell to know what goes on around modules being built or repaired, but that's good to know. my children play with my modules, I appreciate any heads up at all to know they may have come in contact with dangerous chemicals. I know the porn isn't going to leave any cooties on the gear, but some of this other stuff has pretty scary implications.

but the point can be made without the intimate details of any person's kink in my opinion.

good call Joey, thanks for editing that.

REwire · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject:

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject:

me? or Joey?

wetterberg · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject:

ignatzthemouse · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject:

I would feel very awkward twiddling the knobs on a plan b module knowing their maker had twiddled his own next to them.....

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droolmaster0 · Guest

pleaseohplease · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject:

agreed with all.

let's just end it and everyone go to the beach.

we all know peter sucks.

whatever happens, happens.

looking and pontificating over my last post, i've seen how childish this whole thing has become. let's all just end it now, lock the threads, or dare i say delete them, and carry on with positive thinking and music making. that's what we should all be spending our time doing instead of this.

agreed? Internet group beach party instead?

those with legal cases or potential legal cases with peter will continue to pursue them. but i think the world knows everything they should know about our situations. instead of spending our time reading these threads and responding, let's spend that time doing something a little more positive. I know it might be hard to resist. but let's try. can we? think about how wonderful it would be to see only cool positive musical posts at the top of this forum instead of all this negativity.

so how bout it? i've had a lot of really cool offers of help extended to me recently. as such let me extend back. anyone with plan b modules in the new york tri state area that needs assistance with their modules, i will be around for two months and would be happy to help to the best of my ability free of charge.

maybe we could turn this thread into a chain of positive things?

ach_gott · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject:

Reading today's posting my only thought was, "Baby oil? Am I just pissing away money on these fancy lubes???" hihi

Norman_Phay · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject:

Reading today's posting, my only thought was "this guy should have quit while he was ahead". "This guy" not referring to PG.

newgreyarea · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject:

funny, as I'm heading to the beach right now. My friends and I are riding our bikes from downtown to Santa Monica/Venice/wherever we want!

I kinda like the idea of sex and drugs being involved in the making of synthesizers! Why should guitarists have all the fun?!?!?!

Maybe that should be a requirement for all my future purchases! Did you have sex on or near my gear? Were you high while creating said gear?
I'll take it!!
OK, beach time!!
if any of you really end up that direction my # is two oh six 459.3077. Shoot me a text and perhaps beer shall be consumed!
-b

pleaseohplease · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject:

walking from venice to malibu now. any takers along the way?
fiiive one sssiixx 298 eight 5 one ziggity zero.

REwire · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject:

Heading to Redondo beach in a few. Party time! Guinness ftw!

jonkull · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject:

I'm sitting on the couch annoyed that my wife kept me from riding my motorcycle this morning but I'm going to a BBQ at 4pm and then I'll be drunk. Guinness ftw!

thx1138 · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject:

i kind of agree a little , its a delicate issue that one and on some level sexual stuff is private , it is a bit off leaving that stuff in a workplace i agree but you know i dont think it matters if peter likes big breasted ladies or well hung donkeys as long as he deliveres what people buy , repairs and sends back what people send him and just treats people fairly.I can relate to what you posted that though......you trying to prove this was a disfunctional reality at plan b and peter was going off the rails and getting a bit to ' grease lightning ' with the ladies and this has effected his work.They say to much masturbation makes you blind but i cant see that myself !

Johnisfaster · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject:

okay I sorta agree on the bit about the porn being a little too much information, but does no one else agree that to know someone is masturbating in the office everyday after hours and then skipping work the next day without cleaning up the mess is a little bit symptomatic of a person with deep issues? add that to the drugs and the hooker he's shacked up with and you can easily try to blow it off as "different strokes for different folks" but to me it looks like a person that's become a slave to their own demons and is slowly destroying themselves in the process.

I worked for a company a few years ago that had to fire a co-owner because it was discovered he was spending company money on an on call hooker, $600 in company money a month on internet porn and a few other dirty secrets that need not be shared. sure, different strokes for different folks, that's all fine and dandy, but when you bring it to work it is no longer your problem it is the companies problem and your co-workers problem and sometimes even the customers problem. it's very relevant because the customer now has to ask the question "did he wash his hands after he touched my module?" so yes, it's very relevant to know what he's doing in the office .

anyone want to hold a black light up to the back of their module?

amnesia · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject:

I dont care if your wife/ girlfriend is a hooker on crack.
I dont care what you stick up your ass.

i care about only one thing
my money being spent with someone whom i can trust.
being fair to everyone in the synth

I cant trust Peter Grenader or Plan B

i CAN TRUST
LIVEWIRE
KEN STONE
DOEPFER
BUCHLA
REX (SERGE)
ELBY DESIGN
THE HARVESTMAN
etc etc etc

These people are real men who dont nedd to make excuses.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject:

user2108.a · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject:

I have a feeling Joey only meant to point out what a gross (no pun intended) violation of labor laws this must be.

http://www.losangelesemploymentlawyerblog.com/2009/05/my_coworker_look s_at_porn_at_w.html

california labor laws

http://www.ctemploymentlawblog.com/2007/11/articles/hr-issues/court-me re-presence-of-pornography-in-workplace-may-be-enough-to-state-a-claim -of-sexual-harassment/

consumed · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject:

droolmaster0 · Guest

Unnecessary, yes, and Joey agreed and deleted it. But I didn't get any sense that there was anything prejudicial in Joey's remarks (and I admittedly didn't see the original post - I just had it recounted to me) - I think that the point was that Peter was acting totally erratically - and I would certainly say that leaving this stuff in the work place combined with not showing up is erratic behavior, especially if this is a small company, this is your boss, and there are already signs of trouble.

I think it's both unfortunate that the original version was posted, but I think that it's even more unfortunate that people have confused the issue and now doubt Joey's credibility. Those are 2 very independent issues - whether in the anger of having Peter spread lies about you (and believe me, despite what we know about Peter, it is absolutely infuriating. Even if you think that most people don't believe him, it is infuriating) Joey provided more detail than was necessary, and whether he is a credible witness. I think that combined with other people's experience of Peter, and other employee's experience of Peter, Joey is totally credible.

2012 · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

hmm,ok is see now why Peter asked to remove parts from modules been in repair

---> so he could put them easyer in his arse!

and because of the baby oil they glipped to deep and vanished,thats why he can not deliver them..

hihi

2012 · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject:

wetterberg · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject:

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DGTom · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject:

Someone email Doepfer & tell him to get his check-book out eek!

richard · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject:

i feel dirty. this fucking thread is even more depressing that the other one. I really don't think the post was called for - it doesn't add anything to the picture - nothing I really want to have in my head anyway...

I feel really sorry for Muff, whose wonderful forum about wonderful subjects which make us all happy has been turned into this sordid fucking spectacle.

R

pleaseohplease · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject:

good evening everybody.

come on, what happened to my "chain of positivity" for this thread?!

i did a lot of thinking during my walk about the post with the pornography references.
i kind of regretted it. it really didn't do anything to help clarify anything or bring about any positive change, all it did was serve to embarrass peter. as i said before, looking back i see how childish it all must seem and is.

during the walk i decided that when i came back i would just delete it. however, after seeing some of the more recent posts, especially that one about california law and pornography in the office, and how this is a further indication of problems with peter's mental health, i think it is a pertinent piece of info that should remain where it is. Although potentially gross, and not exactly the mental image of things we would like to be thinking of, it does show how, let's say "unique", the situation at plan b is.

now the important thing i would like to say.

i've been conversing with a fellow synth manufacturer and he recently gave me some very good advice. mainly to just stop posting, ignore peter, and send him back his stuff. peter has done enough damage to himself and anything else i say is just unnecessary. i think we can all agree that things have pretty much hit an all time low with plan b? to go any lower i would have to start digging, oh.

so yeah, this will be my last post with regards to plan b. I still really like the rest of muff wiggler and will continue to be active. but i will not participate, perpetuate, or even lubricate, any of these plan b threads anymore. regardless of anything posted by peter that i might be tempted to respond to. i urge others to do the same. if the only person talking is peter, his words will ring that much louder.

come on folks, internet group hug? let's leave all this negativity behind us.

let's take all this negativity that's been sowed and have positive things grow from it. if you have any extra cliff jacks hanging around, why not offer them to someone who needs them, right here in this thread. whoever accepts those cliff jacks, perhaps you have an extra 1/8" cable hanging around, why not give that to someone who needs it, also right here in this thread. you all see where i'm going with this? might be kind of neat. anyway, if not, let's just leave these threads and move on with life. the stone has begun rolling and it's already at terminal velocity. we are all fortunate enough that even though we might have been screwed by peter grenader, we are not him. let us all meditate on this, go outside even, take a deep breath, relax, and move on.

Soliderity.

please begin positivity....

i'll begin: free plan b repairs, to the best of my ability! You can swing by my place in long island when i'm back, or you can mail them to me. You can contact me privately if interested and in need.

continue positivity....go!

(oh and goodbye, for at least eight weeks!)

Johnisfaster · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject:

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Johnisfaster · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject:

yeah but by the time I got it the dude wouldn't be offering the free repairs anymore, I mean he'll be in his late 80's by then and Alzheimers will be taking hold

soundxplorer

D/A A/D · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject:

8 pages of crazy... I am so out of the loop...

richard · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject:

well I bet you're no happier now your back in madsville

ambulance

R

D/A A/D · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject:

suboptimal · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject:

This is one loop I'm glad to not have been in.

prscrptn · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject: