Muff's Modules & More

[darkriver]

I know both make similar Moog style modular synthesizers.

But which sounds more like Moog between Synthesizers.com and Club Of The Knobs?

I'm interested in the Moog sound, look and feel.

Thanks for your help.

[essex sound lab]

MOS-LAB. Closest thing I know of.

But really, it's a matter of degree. Careful selection can get you to that destination in a variety of ways.

[darkriver]

Thanks for your comment and no disrespect, and I probably should have been more clear about this I guess, but I was only asking about Synthesizers.com and Club Of The Knobs. I know about Mos-Lab and without getting too specific lets just say I'm not interested in Mos-Lab at this point. So I was wondering between Synthesizers.com and Club Of The Knobs. Thanks everyone.

[JohnLRice]

Between the two, COTK has a more "Moog" look, actually an exact Moog look where Synthesizers.com looks are more or less inspired by the originals but not exact panel clones (except for the 960 sequencer modules which are pretty spot on I guess)

Sound wise . . . . I've heard impressive stuff from both systems so I think it's more up to the musician then the gear to get the sound you want. I don't own any VCO's, VCF's EGs, VCAs or Mixers by either company so I can compare other than the YouTube etc demos I've heard.

If you really want the moogiest Moog between the two and cost and obtainability aren't concerns I'd definitely go with COTK.

[suitandtieguy]

this is the only authentic RA Moog CP3 mixer circuit clone on the market. if by "Moog sound" you mean the moogsploitation records of the 60s, early ELP, and 70s Tangerine Dream you're going to need this module. i know i sound like i'm making a big deal out of "a simple mixer" but it's actually quite an important part of the sound:

http://stgsoundlabs.com/products/mixer_mu.htm

also as far as "look and feel" goes, i'm also the only guy using authentic artwork style and panel printing/fabrication even though i don't actually make any Moog-derived modules beyond the Mixer.

all of the moog format builders make nice stuff. you're probably not going to go wrong. i think you should start with Synthesizers.com because it's an amazing value for the quality and Roger and Margo are great to deal with.

[MindMachine]

Then again you have to consider if COTK is even available to you if you are actually considering a purchase. JLR has been waiting for an invoice/email for 2 years on one module even though he is one of their best customers and strongest proponents.

Dotcom ships almost instantly. I am unsure of MosLab shipping, but I do want a VCF from them and then some VCO's, etc.

[tonnu]

just very short question as this thread is regarding moogish stuff which MOS Lab is definitely one of them (hopefully, not derailing the thread)

the output of MOS Lab is 5vpp (as opposed to DotCom 10vpp)
the envelope is sustained at 5.5v (as opposed to DotCom 5v)

does this affect the overdrive characteristics when using MOS Lab with DotCom standard stuff?

for example:

- if i use it with stg mixer, will it still be unity at 2 o'clock and clip at pass 3 o'clock? or will it mean i have to amplify the signal first (with what?)

- is the 5.5v env standard of MOS Lab stuff intentional to overdrive VCA's? or is this irrelevant if i use DotCom standard envelopes and VCA's?

and lastly, if i were to use MOS Lab stuff with DotCom, is using only the "critical" parts which is VCO and VCF together DotCom stuff (i'll definitely get the STG Mixer), but also VCA's and ENV be enough to get me **THAT** sound (i.e. the sound in MOS Lab's 8A and 16A systems)?

many thanks, again, sorry if this may derail the thread. I could start a new one ...

thanks

[dslocum]

+1 on suitandtieguy's assesment on the mixer.

There's lots of subtle IM distortion and waveform mucking that goes on before it even gets to the filter.

Another question, is -which- Moog filter sound are you after? The modular had it's own sound, as did the Mini. Both cool. Both different.

[e-grad]

[emc2]

[Christopher Winkels]

[Ockeghem]

[suitandtieguy]

[whitewulfe]

[JohnLRice]

[Christopher Winkels]

I can't speak for JLR, but he does a great job promulgating love for Moon and some other vendors I don't have a lot of experience with.

In my own case having pretty much one of everything (except the Mankato) means I think I'm in a position of being able to give a survey assessment of STG's products. When you get to that point you begin to see some common themes emerging when it comes to design philosophy:

A little distortion isn't a bad thing.
Knob sizes should be scaled to the need for finer control resolution.
Neat things happen at greater that unity gain.
Layout shouldn't be tied to a fixed grid.

If attributes like those appeal to you then you'll love STG. This is the good thing about design by an individual rather than by a large engineering and marketing committee. I'd imagine that Bruce, Roger, Tony, Don, Phil and all the other strong personalities who swim the modular currents are no less idiosyncratic and individual. It's a matter of finding those design ethoi that appeal most and supporting those companies with your money.

In that sense I suspect we're probably closer now than ever to the early '70s model of instrument design in the modular market. You can see the stamp of a specific person on our instruments. If I lay my hands on a Kronos or Jupiter-80 or Motif then I can appreciate a great deal of quality and integration, but these are not tools born of the inspiration and dedication or one or two men championing a design philosophy. They're too diluted and diffuse for that.

[Ockeghem]

[suitandtieguy]

[Ockeghem]

Glad to see it's being put to good use.
Highland frock coat looks great for those winter months.
We haven't had much snow this winter where i'm located.
Good thing because two snowflakes side by side basically shuts down the whole Capital.

[ben jah men]

you're making me feel guilty for even considering putting banana jacks on STG modules that I don't even own yet.

[tonnu]

[Ockeghem]

Got my mixer