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Frac Wiard NR Clock In Mod? (Details inside)
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Tim Stinchcombe
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well I agonized over several of the details as to how to do the mod for a couple of reasons: the original method requires the removal of two surface mount (0805-sized) resistors, and for those that have never done this before (I'm guessing this is likely a fairly high percentage of those that will want to do this...!?), there is a significant risk in damaging the board/pads/traces in doing so; secondly, whilst there is an easier way to achieve the same effect, this was going to make Sandy's modules behave ever-so-slightly differently (which if they were mine, would have bugged the hell out of me!). Thankfully the tactic of not rushing into things, and mulling everything over for a few evenings revealed there was a staring-me-in-the-face obvious solution to the 'compatability' problem between the two methods, so here is my slightly (I think) easier way of doing the mod. It requires two fewer resistors and not removing anything, though there is still (unavoidably) some tricky soldering required to hook directly-up to SMT components.

Bits needed are:
- an ultra-miniature two-pole changeover switch. I used the code FH99H one of these - click the 'specification' tab for the size
- a 10k and 24k resistor (though a 27k would do equally as well rather than 24)
- thin hook-up wire (I used Kynar, as used already for the factory-fitted mod)

Here is the circuit detail of the mod itself - the switch and everything to the left of it is new, the rest is existing:



First thing to do is remove the wire running between the 'aux out' socket and the 'ext rate' socket (damn - forgot to get a picture of this!). Also cut the track running between the 555 and the TL074 chips:


Then drill the hole for the switch - I drilled slightly down from center, so as to match Sandy's other modified module, and also so that the switch won't obscure the writing:


An unfortunate downside of this is that it leaves less space for the switch between the sockets, which have to be angled out to make the space. I cut and removed the ground wire running through the tabs on the sockets, the bottom pair can then be rotated to make enough space for the switch, then re-thread some new wire and re-soldered everything (note the last snap in this sequence is taken from the top!):


Solder a 24k resistor between the ground wire and the left-lower tab on the switch:


The 10k resistor goes between the right-lower switch tab and the 'ext rate' socket - I bent the unused 'switching contact' tab out of the way, and with careful bending of the resistor legs I reckon the whole lot is sufficiently placed (and rigid) so as not to cause any possible shorting hazards, but use insulating sleeving as you think fit:


Then cut and strip three suitable lengths of wire, and tag one each in turn, to: the two 100k resistors making the potential divider:


...the 1k resistor just above the 555 chip:


...and pin 9 of the TL074 chip (if you don't have an empty socket in the 'EXP' 16-pin DIL footprint in the middle of the board, this one can go to pin 10 there, if you like - beep it out with a continuity tester and you'll see it is the same place!):


Then attach the other ends of the wires to the switch, as shown:


That's it! Here is snap of the whole, though I have yet to add a gob of goop to tag the wires in place:


When the switch is down, it runs off the internal clock; when up, the clock supplied through the 'ext rate' socket drives it.

With the 24k resistor, the level at which the external signal clocks the module is approx 2.4V, which is close to that of the original modification; if you were to use a 27k instead, it creeps up a little to about 2.6V (i.e. not a big deal).

Hopefully I haven't forgotten anything, though perhaps it goes without saying you need a soldering iron with a very fine tip (mine is 0.4mm I think, and the shaft is narrow enough to manoeuvre between everything), and also a steady hand!

If you want higher res (though unannotated) photos, PM me; I also made up a gif of the original mod, so if anyone wants to see the difference I can post it...

Tim

[Edit record:
edit 1: the 'EXP' header is 16-pin, not 20! Don't know what happened to my counting there!]

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

thank you so much Tim we're not worthy

i hope this will be useful for all the other frac noisering owners who want to modify their modules.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You are awsome, Tim. Thank-you very much for your time and brainpower.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks so much Tim - fellow member Cleaninglady is going to perform this mod for me It's peanut butter jelly time!

I notice the mod was done on the 8 jack version - mine is the 6 jack version, but hopefully the above notes will still apply....?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Wow! Thanks heaps. Will try to do this to my three bananafied noiserings. Shouldn't be too man changes because of the bananas, I guess?
It's peanut butter jelly time!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

solitaryzen wrote:
I notice the mod was done on the 8 jack version - mine is the 6 jack version, but hopefully the above notes will still apply....?
Well having had a quick look at the front panel of the 6-jack version on the wayback machine, it looks like the 2 extra jacks were the 'noise out' and the 'main out',

[edit: gack! shouldn't have relied on my memory, if only from lunchtime - found a bigger picture, and the extra jacks are noise and 'ext chance', hence following comments about the main out are a load of guff - but the philosophy of checking the circuit local to the clock remain!]

which shouldn't really affect the area of the clocking circuitry, but adding the 'main' out could potentially have been quite a big change, so I'd recommend comparing the tracking on yours to some of my close-up pictures - if it looks identical then you are probably safe; however if anything has changed, it would be wise to check that the circuitry on yours really is the same (it shouldn't be too hard, as all the action takes place around that one op amp section).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

otoskope wrote:
Will try to do this to my three bananafied noiserings. Shouldn't be too man changes because of the bananas, I guess?
I've never worked with banana jacks before: the only thing I think that might be different is if there is no 'switching contact' on the bananas (?), in which case it may mean you have no 'normalled' connection from the aux out to the ext in (the one I unfortunately forgot to take a photo of!), and therefore don't have to remove it! Should be easy to spot if it is actually there!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Tim Stinchcombe wrote:
solitaryzen wrote:
I notice the mod was done on the 8 jack version - mine is the 6 jack version, but hopefully the above notes will still apply....?
Well having had a quick look at the front panel of the 6-jack version on the wayback machine, it looks like the 2 extra jacks were the 'noise out' and the 'main out',

[edit: gack! shouldn't have relied on my memory, if only from lunchtime - found a bigger picture, and the extra jacks are noise and 'ext chance', hence following comments about the main out are a load of guff - but the philosophy of checking the circuit local to the clock remain!]

which shouldn't really affect the area of the clocking circuitry, but adding the 'main' out could potentially have been quite a big change, so I'd recommend comparing the tracking on yours to some of my close-up pictures - if it looks identical then you are probably safe; however if anything has changed, it would be wise to check that the circuitry on yours really is the same (it shouldn't be too hard, as all the action takes place around that one op amp section).

Tim


Thanks Tim - will have a good look before proceeding!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks Tim.....Now I have to find the guts to actually perform this mod.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

jenamu6 wrote:
Now I have to find the guts to actually perform this mod.
Taking it slowly and steadily is the way to go, and I cannot stress enough how having the right tools for the job will determine how well it does go. This is the type of tip I mostly use on my iron, from this page:



- its ability to get into tight spots is self-evident, and also one of the reasons I have yet to see a Weller iron that looks like it might compete on equal terms, as all the Weller tips I've ever seen seem to be so short and stumpy I have a natural aversion to even picking the thing up, let alone attempting to solder with one. But it's horses for courses I guess.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

i'm going to sticky this thread for the benefit of any future wigglers who wish to perform the mod.

thanks once again to Tim for his time and skill Guinness ftw!

i'm looking forward to my noiserings returning!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Awesome Tim! Thanks so much...very helpful.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

[quote="Tim Stinchcombe"]
jenamu6 wrote:




- its ability to get into tight spots is self-evident, and also one of the reasons I have yet to see a Weller iron that looks like it might compete on equal terms, as all the Weller tips I've ever seen seem to be so short and stumpy I have a natural aversion to even picking the thing up, let alone attempting to solder with one. But it's horses for courses I guess.

Tim


Tim,

What temp setting do you usually use with this tip? Do you have a particular solder preference?

Thanks,
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marketingslime wrote:
What temp setting do you usually use with this tip? Do you have a particular solder preference?
I have an Ersa RDS80 soldering iron:

http://www.ersa.com/art-0rds80-358-1997.html

- having bought one for my use at work, I was so impressed with it I bought one for my personal use at home. For leaded solder I have it set to 360C, which does for most work, unless I'm working with something that wicks the heat away, and it is then an easy matter to dial in another 10 degrees or so to give it a little boost. (But that said, I have no idea what the actual tip temperature is - I assume the temp sensing device is some way away from the end of the heating element - and so what you need will depend on the exact type of iron that tip is actually used on!)

As for solder, we used to use this stuff at work for small surface-mount devices (it is thin, 0.4mm diameter!) before everything went lead-free, and I bought a reel for myself:

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/solders/4430578/?searchTerm=4430578

but as you can see RS certainly don't sell it any more, and I think it is likely it is not even made any more - it is 'Alpha FT-2002 rosin free Sn63/Pb37, single core 1.4% flux content' made by Alpha/Cookson Electronics:

http://alpha.cooksonelectronics.com/Products/Cored-Wire/FT-2002-Rosin- Free

(and actually the pdf 'Technical bulletin' on that page suggests that lead/tin is maybe still around...).

For more normal through-hole work I bought a reel of the same stuff but with a larger diameter, 0.75mm:

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/solders/4430562/?searchTerm=4430562

(and I probably should add that a lot of my decision was based on the fact that it doesn't give off lots of nasty smelling fumes like some solders do!). At my current rate of usage, these two reels are going to last many, many years!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I just finished this mod for solitaryzen.
Much more nerve racking doing it on someone else's module i must say...

Didn't have any solder smaller than 0.7 and my Soldering Iron tip is 1.4mm but i managed.

You need a really steady hand.

I ended up using the 10th pin of the Empty Socket at 'EXP' as i was a little wary of soldering the TL074 pin 9 with such a large Solder tip. (Thanks Tim for the advice).

Just soldered the wire straight to the socket conductor.

I used a hole punch to get the drill starting point for the hole in the panel and drilled it with 3mm then a 5mm bit.

Be very careful when soldering wires to the SMD components and gentle when soldering the switch. They are delicate and you can easily kill the switch by melting the housing around the conductors causing them to shift and the switch to malfunction or just not work at all.

I don't really recommend the size of solder tip i used but i'm just showing it has been done with regular gear.

Be brave and give it a go.

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Looking forward to getting it back and finally being able to sync up the clock smile

Thanks!!
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I'm working on this mod right now, but I've been unable to find a switch of the proper size from an US dealer - anyone have a mouser or allied part# for one that's suitable? Everything I've found has been too large ...

thanks!
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I found a switch at a local electronics place (no part# that I can see on it, sorry) but I've managed to do the mod successfully! Felt a bit of a shame to drill a hole in my nice blue NR panel, but it works & I'm very happy - thanks for all the info in this thread. I feel like looking at the measurements, that this Calrad switch would work, but I wasn't able to get my hands on one - http://www.calradstore.com/40-609.html
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i am about to score a frac noisering and i'm wondering if a fellow sf bay area wiggler would like to help me perform this mod... i will buy you 2 beers and smoke you out with 3 spliffs. but after.
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