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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

diophantine wrote:
you might consider cutting down the size of the coarse knob

sad banana

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and adding an attenuator for the PWM input. Perhaps even add the VC2 input with a regular attenuator.
Good call on the attenuator for the PWM. I can add that easily. Thanks for the input on the trimmer too!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Of course, you can keep the big knobs! smile Just meant that you might have to if adding other attenuators or inputs.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Here's what David said about a triple VCO/multiple VCOs from one PSU PCB in case anyone else is thinking about this:
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A triple VCO module would be excellent, and I can understand why you would like to have only one Power PCB for the trio.

It would probably be fine, but I would caution you VCOs can start to lock to each other depending on how the power supply cables are connected. Take Jurgen Haible’s Livign VCO trio. He put a separate power supply path and connector for each VCO on the PCB so each VCO was isolated from the other. One question people were asking about Jurgen Haible’s Living VCO was could you daisy chain these power supply connectors or do you have to run three separate cables to the main power supply? Turns out, this isn’t a problem on this trio, but I can’t guarantee you won’t see it on these VCOs if you tie all three to one PowerPCB, especially if the power cables are relatively short.

On another note, the Power PCB has three general functions. First, it lets the user build it to run off of basically any power supply that is commonly in use and thereby end up with +12 and -10 volts. While I think (and have heard) these modules should run form +/- 12 volts, for the VCO at least, in the pulse wave shaping circuit, and in the sine shaping circuit, there are some transistors which are connected to the -10 or “-V” signals and so have biasing set for -10 volts, not -12 . The bottom line is those circuits may have problems on -12, so I always recommend converting any minus supply to -10 volts.

Second, the Power PCB adds some general decoupling and filtering. Not a huge deal I think with how clean modern supplies are.

Third, on some modules, Nyle had additional filter/decoupling on the power supply lines. I’ve never really gone into the reasons why, I just made sure I included the option to have the extra filtering on the Power PCB. The VCO uses both the straight +12 and -10 from the main supply (regulated and conditioned on the Power PCB) as well as separate signal paths for the additional filtered +12 and -10 which are labeled V+ and V- on the schematics.

Bottom line is I think using one Power PCB for the trio would probably be fine electrically so long as you are sure to connect the straight +12 and -10 and the extra filtered V+ and V-. Beware you might end up with parasitic locking.

One other “form factor” hiccup for a shallow euro system is the HF Compensation mini PCB. Although when Nyle tuned my VCOs he disconnected the HF Compensation PCB, I think these days, most people don’t want all the “character” of the old VCO designs. You will need to figure out how to best mount these little guys if you want to use them.


I did forget about the HF comp boards. That will definitely add to the complexity of the build. Not sure what can be done to avoid the locking short of using all three PSU boards. I did a quick search here and at e-m and I couldn't find anything relevant.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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I did forget about the HF comp boards.

Me too! I don't know how you intend to use these VCOs, but if you aren't too concerned with tracking (i.e. you aren't playing from a keyboard, or sending offset voltages to change notes & octaves, etc.) you may be able to live without them. With the HF boards I got mine tracking over 5 octaves, from 100 Hz to 3.2 kHz - but even without the HF board it was pretty close. (I didn't try anything beyond those tests, at least not yet.)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sneak peek for the wigglers:



w00t

Only "problem" was that I put a switch in upside-down. Fixed that in 30 seconds and otherwise it seems to work great!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

dio - That sequencer looks great! With banana jacks and LEDs its like a rainbow in the dark.



I finally trimmed up my oscillator (sounds great!) and messed around with the linear FM mod some more. I no longer think that it is inverted but, I think it could use an amp at the input. It's a bit quirky but a fun timberal option as is. The exponential FM is great. Loving this oscillator, I need to build a second.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Diophantine
Your Sequencer looks great!
The combination of S-Trig outputs and banana jacks should prove very flexible!
I ordered a Sequencer PCB set from David last week.



Finally finished my first Synthasystem module (Noise Generator) today.
Getting some nice timbres by using the output to modulate the VCF Frequency on my SEM,
while varying the Level and sweeping between White and Pink noise.
The noise, at either extreme or any mix of White and Pink, sound quite pleasant and 'musical'.



Hope to have my Phaser, VCF, VCA and Triple EG completed in time for the Coventry Modular Meet this Saturday.
Everything is finished except the wiring and calibration (not looking forward to wiring the Triple EG! eek! ).
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I think I've settled on the synthasystem I am going to build. I've already got 1VCO, both VCFs, VCA and EG built. I picked up a 6ux84 case and I think thats enough for a nice, compact system. I just ordered the rest of the PCBs. Here is what I'm looking at:
VCO A x2
VCA/Mix
VCF
Noise
Balanced Modulator
phase shifter
3xEG
Trigger generator
Sample & Hold
Voltage Follower
& CGS synthacon VCF

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Thanks RSFC & Isaiah!

(Sorry, didn't see your comments 'til now.)

The full pics are up in my blog. I need to get busy with the Synthasystem again... have been beyond distracted with jury duty (lasting from Jan 27 to May 16th!), plus waiting on stupid things like rack screws.

Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
With banana jacks and LEDs its like a rainbow in the dark.

SlayerBadger!
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Isaiah wrote:
Hope to have my Phaser, VCF, VCA and Triple EG completed in time for the Coventry Modular Meet this Saturday.
Everything is finished except the wiring and calibration (not looking forward to wiring the Triple EG! eek! ).

Hope that all got done fine! The wiring on the Triple EG is definitely a bit of a pain; I'm planning to make 2 more, and will probably do them at the same time so that I only have to go through all the pain once more, haha.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I got my panels today! PCBs have been populated for some time. Now for some wiring & any troubleshooting then SlayerBadger!


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screaming goo yo SlayerBadger! !!!
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Hello guys !

Been a while since my first posts on this topic.

Actually i finished 4 of the planned modules : Phase Shifter, 2x Volt Proc/Mixer & Dual Volt Follower.

All of the others PCB are almost finished to be populated and i'm waiting for some components regarding the build of 2xVCO, 2xVCF, 2xVCA & EG. Can't wait to starting up building the earth of the system.

A picture of my first attempt in building a cabinet:



And another one of the built modules :
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And an another one : Input Amplifier. Had a bit of trouble with one of the SPDT switches but now, it works !! applause
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looks nice mech
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Just as soon as all my panels arrive from epinasty (custom copper! smile ) I'll have a lot to post-- all the modules, etc. Wat a great system. Thanks Nyle and David!
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Just finished my 13rd module yesterday. applause

Next coming : 4x VCO, Sequencer & Env then 2x Trig Gen, another VCA/Mixer.

I'm working on the second cabinet right now.

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I've decided to build all my unfinished and future Synthasystem modules with banana jacks.
The panels are natural aluminium with black knobs.
I plan to use red banana sockets for Gate inputs/outputs,
but can't decide on black or grey for audio & CV inputs/outputs.
Black might feel a little overwhelming along with the black knobs.
What do you think?
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i personally really dig the old banana schema color from the Synton 3000 modular. But with natural aluminium i'd probably go the same as Serge.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The Synton 3000 is black inputs and blue outputs, right?
Looks cool!


I'd like to keep red for gates (a la Serge).

The Serge standard is black for bipolar and blue for unipolar voltages.
I believe that the blue and black sockets are of much greater importance in Serge systems because some circuits only produce, or respond to, positive audio and CV signals.
Other than the Triple EG outputs (and gate signals), all the Synthasystem modules (if I remember correctly) are capable of producing and handling bipolar signals.
So, it seems to make sense, in the context of the Synthasystem, to only differentiate between audio/CV and gate signals in terms of colour.

So, black or grey?

I should add that it was by looking at Diophantine's system and then thinking for some time that I came to this conclusion. So, many thanks to him!



I had thought about different colours for CV/Audio and Gate inputs/outputs.
But, that would mean 4 different colours and a new standard to "learn" (not that it would bother me, just makes it easier for friends and bandmates. All the inputs/outputs on the Synthasystem are labelled as such, too).
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