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hiawog · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject: rock music is passe

there. i said it. agree, disagree, call me a flaming idiot, but i haven't heard any new rock that i've liked in some time. of course i still love so much of the old stuff, but i'm not sure how viable it continues to be as a living, evolving art form.

food for thought: "electronic music is the only thing that's flourished in the digital age."
- john frusciante

e-grad · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: rock music is passe

suboptimal · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject:

The last decade has been an incredible time for death metal. Not that I expect that to be much comfort.

hiawog · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject:

neandrewthal · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject:

Metal is the new rock to me and it's going strong.

Jason Brock · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject:

I wonder what's next. And I don't think the term "electronic" is enough to make a clear distinction between styles. You can use electronic instruments to play any type of music.

I remember playing in a Big Band back in college in the 90s. We toured retirement homes, military bases, and veteran's halls playing the greatest hits of the 30s & 40s for audiences full of people the same age as my grandparents. I often wondered what it was like to grow up with such a limited selection of music to listen to, and then what it must have been like to hear rock & roll for the first time, as it was just becoming mainstream.

Is it even possible for a narrow genre of music to become as ubiquitous as that these days? The information age is all about variety in large quantities, delivered instantly upon demand. And our attention spans are shortening.

chinard · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject:

dubstep is the new rock MY ASS IS BLEEDING

CJ Miller · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject:

Idioms are passe. By the time a genre has been named it has long since died.

Morley · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject:

Middle age sucks

seriously, I prefer some recent rock to most recent electronic music.

There, I said it!

Gribs · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject:

Lots of cool new symphonic metal and progressive rock is out there.

Check out Sylvan, Riverside, Haken, all European prog (Germany, Poland, and UK respectively). Amazon.com does not carry the latest Sylvan CD though - only an MP3 download (bleah). The Sylvan shop ships from the Germany to the USA though.

RealDudes · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject:

amnesia · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject:

I thought drum n Bass was the new rock.

mckenic · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject:

Well in the last few months I have just discovered The Kills and last week the Japanese band - Toe! Im fairly happy.

Although, I never did know that a lot of the music I like listening to (Dirty Three, The Books, Pavement et al) and trying to play is called Math Rock! So there!

Ive been playing it for 20 years and I used to just call it guitar music!

jenamu6 · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject:

Dillinger escape plan,Tool,Bring me the horizon and Opeth........is the new rock...

Don't give up.....rock's alive

hiawog · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: rock music is passe

CJ Miller · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject:

Danotranto · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject:

I like what jack white and the black keys do

ACDC 4EVA

suboptimal · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject:

jonah · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject:

But rock has always been electronic? I think the problem with most modern rock records is that they have become too controlled, sequenced and unsexy. Rock is danger and sex appeal. I think we've been in a long spell of wanting safety and comfort, but possibly the times are changing. smile

Anyway, this shit is heavy.

megaohm · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: rock music is passe

hiawog · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: rock music is passe

confusedinNC · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject:

Its my general feeling that rock hasnt really become passe, but it just has in popular culture. To me that really applies to every genre, though. I dont listen to very much straight up 'rock' these days, but if i do, i know im not gonna find it on the radio or television... Shit, I think its probably been at least 5 years since ive ever consciously listened to the radio or watched something on cable television, but every time i do im blown away with how goddamn awful the music i hear on it is. When i do actually listen to rock its more stuff like Torche or Young Widows, and from there, more stoner rock type stuff.

PYJAMAGROOVE · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject:

Fuck you!

There. I've said it. nanners

ignatius · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject:

Internet forums are passé. See gearslutz for example.

Why it needs to be discussed ? Not sure

hiawog · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject:

criticalmonkey · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject:

there are lots of good things out there - it's just cool to bag on rock right now in the press and all the hipsters but fashion changes faster than the seasons nowadays

with this new generation all the genre stuff is dying fast - which i love
country is pop is disco is rock is metal is punk is noise = dolly parton with radiohead would be cool

btw - whoever said dubstep was the new rock - the next 6 months from the major labels is going to prove you right
not to mention dubstep hiphop/soul
some of it is actually cool - most of it slated for the may/june release time frame

dougcl · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject:

I can't listen to anything but beeps and boops anymore. I hate music.

hiawog · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject:

doug, your beeps and boops ARE music. i think most of us would agree.

dougcl · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject:

vav · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject:

I think i'm just getting old, i hate everything new. The only "new" artist i've really found myself enjoying in the past 5 years or something is Tonetta.

megaohm · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: rock music is passe

Gribs · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject:

I don't listen to radio because I am tired of commercials and songs and/or sounds that I don't like and/or am tired of hearing. I became bored with so-called "classic rock" a very long time ago and much of modern rock sounds to me like some new band trying to emulate some older band.

Much of the music that I listen to nowdays is much more personal than radio music. I follow people on Soundcloud and youtube who I think are pretty much independent composers/musicians/producers.

M. Rishi · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:41 am Post subject:

nikmis · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:24 am Post subject:

I listened to to Rock and Roll music once, but I stopped before I started worshiping the Devil.

e-grad · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:56 am Post subject: Re: rock music is passe

Norman_Phay · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:25 am Post subject:

Generally agree that "rock" music is pretty moribund, although I would put most "electronic" music in w that as well, I guess I would say that "beat" music in a certain sense is creatively moribund and has been for years. I mean I remember LFO on the front of NME or MM, claiming that rock was dead, which it probably was at the time, and that was like 1992 or something TWENTY YEARS AGO. And LFO weren't all that as I remember.

I don't give a fuck anymore though really, I prefer listeing to Dick Powell or Alice Faye or Jessie Matthews or Carmen Miranda or Pola Negri or Marta Eggerth or Lillian Roth or Ann Pennington or the Boswell Sisters or Lee Morse (etc etc etc) fuck a rock singer grin

ringstone · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:30 am Post subject:

How much music (including "rock") isn't electronic music by strict definition these days anyway? It's pretty much all digitised, re-sampled, stretched, effected - parts are cut and pasted, chopped so they're in time, re-tuned etc etc.

Cheers
Blair

revmutt · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:41 am Post subject:

If one is a fan of more raw Rock & Roll and Punk there is always waves of new garage burners who are doing it like it was just discovered. Now that may suggest a dead end path but vitality counts.

As for not specifically 3 chord stuff, I suggest Battles as a fine example of the rock form mutating.

Danotranto · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:54 am Post subject:

electronic music makes me bop my head but I have a hard time hanging on to any one song, it seems disposable to me for the most part

Kakihara · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:10 am Post subject:

what does "passe" means? Like "past" or "over" in french, passé?

w00t

mckenic · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:18 am Post subject:

ragingmouse · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:20 am Post subject:

vviiiinnnffft.

gwaidan · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:25 am Post subject:

dequalsrxt · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject:

Portland OR and folk music ruined rock for me. Too fucking cute. Rock should be about total destroy. Apologies Qwaidan, but to me those kid videos are an example of what's wrong with rock - if it's kid or advertising friendly, something went wrong. Rock should be such that it is hidden from children, oppressed by the authorities and generally feared by the masses. Rock n roll should be a scourge upon the earth. Otherwise, where's the fun? I blame the inexplicable absence of Satan in today's music. The downside of secularism I guess.

e-grad · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject:

unintentional states · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject:

Generally most bands are not good or boring, and most bands happen to also play some form of rock music.

fredguy · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject:

It's be been done to death.
I for one welcome our new bleep bloop eeping musical overlords.
Not saying there isn't any new good guitar driven music, I've seen some local bands that still do some original music, but for me they're few and far between.
Rock is the the new jazz. For the most part it's the old war horses trotting their 20 year old hits.

Rymf · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject:

Not going to touch "rock" because I'm not even sure if I know what that means anymore. I'll always have a place in my heart for psych, punk, funk, and a bunch of other shit.

Some days I feel certain that I've gotten over contemporary guitar music, but then I keep listening to Persona La Ave.

ignatius · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject:

"rock" music i like that is recentish

the dead weather

the mars volta (deloused in the comatorium is one of the best records of the last 10 years in any genre imo - though after that they are hit and miss imo)

radiohead (still find them worth paying attention to)

my brother gave me some music.. a bunch of stoner sludge rock and basic heavy things... pelican, high on fire etc.. i can't recall al the different bands on there.. it's kind of a compilation of his favs.

i think it's easy to get jaded about music as time passes. i know i feel that way sometimes.. just get tired of hearing stuff that sounds like a bunch of people going through the motions or like they just discovered something and are really excited about it when it's like 10 years old and done to death already... sort of like those people in brooklyn really excited about the arps in roland poly analogs and delay pedals. i guess it's all new to someone.

ignatius · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject:

Suburban Bather · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject:

I

music and noise collages!!!!!!!! Some of it I can't stand, which includes both sides of the spectrum. I even like some top 40 as well MY ASS IS BLEEDING

Get over yourselves!

Don't let your peers dictate what you like and don't like. FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Muddymudskipper · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject:

CF3 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject:

Gonna play devils advocate here for a minute and say everything is passe at this point. Why pick on rock music? seriously, i just don't get it

RealDudes · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject:

suboptimal · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject:

It's hell growing old.

boramx · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject:

it's really hard for me to get my head around late 80s hair metal. that stuff is quite weird.

M. Rishi · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject:

jonah · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:41 am Post subject:

M. Rishi · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:02 am Post subject:

visible cow · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:12 am Post subject:

Deerhoof, they're not for everyone but it would be hard to deny that they're an incredibly inventive rock band.

DonKartofflo · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:04 am Post subject:

Dr. Sketch-n-Etch · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject:

The amount of "rock" I listen to now is pathetically small, and almost all from the era 1968 to 1976. Mostly I listen to ECM jazz, electronica, some avant garde electric jazz, or classical (mostly modern, some baroque, some French impressionism).

As I get older, I've realized that the fundamental elements of music for me are decent melodies laid over interesting harmonies, and interesting rhythms. The music I enjoy the most has memorable moments in it. I'm thinking of Allan Holdsworth's unbelievable guitar solo on "Shallow Sea" from I.O.U., or the lovely stabbed piano chords in the first 10 seconds of Steely Dan's "Midnight Cruiser" from Can't Buy a Thrill, or the amazing interplay of piano, oboe and tabla in Oregon's "Yellow Bell" from Out of the Woods, or the rhythmic intensity of Led Zeppelin's "Two Sticks" from LZ4. My whole inner life is built on a scaffolding of such moments, which I can call up from my memory banks and hear in my "mind's ear" at will (as I'm doing right now).

The pop music (including r&b and rap) and most of the rock I hear today on the radio (or on American Idol, which seems to be the birthplace of most of today's big music stars) is largely devoid of these moments. It requires musicians to make these moments, but today's popular music isn't about music; it's about the cult of personality. There's very little actual "music" in most of today's popular music.

ryandfl · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject:

Lots of rock is just silly. A couple times I've had months long breaks from nearly any rock at all and zero radio rock. Then I'll forget my phone / music player at home one day and flip through the radio and listen to some rock. "Ah this sounds pretty cool and a classic / modernish classic, here we go". Then the lyrics kick in. Holy crap. Most of it is pubescent, plenty of it barely makes any sense, and a lot just phoned in, like no one even tried. It's easy to kind of ignore the words and think of them as 'the vocal track' when I'm getting a stream of that stuff in my life.

I've got high expectations in that department from listening to a lot of Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan and the Band, though.

haricots · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject:

Any modern 'rock' that I have liked seems to have died. Godspeed You! Black Emperor , Death From Above 1979 (I guess there is a comeback a comin'), etc. Is this even considered 'Rock"? So hard to tell anymore.

Loverboy 4ever! nanners

well2thebone · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:29 am Post subject:

pretty sure theres some good rock music out there