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Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:05 pm Post subject: 250e Midi issue

So, I have finally got my system all up to V30 firmware. I am having issues with getting the 250e to reset to stage 1 when I send start/stop sequence info from Logic.

I can program the different clock divisions with the inner small knob but the manual say's that is you activate the first stage to receive midi clock it will always start back on stage 1 every restart.

I mean I can manually override and set it back to stage 1 but man that would sure be handy if it worked as written.

Is there something I am doing wrong or is it a glitch in the firmware?

divisionbyzero · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject:

which mode is the first step on? it needs to be in either stop or the blank mode for it to reset back to stage 1.

also, do you have any other clock sources to test?

i don't believe this code has been changed for quite a while (probably more than a year since i did the v30 change in the 250e) so i'd be surprised but not shocked if it was a new bug.

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

It is in Advance mode, I think I tried the blank mode and it did not even start the sequencer moving. I figured since that was the mode that needed a pulse in was the reason it did not spin.

I will try the stop mode when I get home tonight.

By other clock sources, do you mean another sequencer program besides Logic.

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject:

Oh by the way Jon, I miss your personal service over at Buchla and really appreciate you watching the boards and helping us around here.

divisionbyzero · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:59 pm Post subject:

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject:

Well, it does not work in Ableton. It just does the same thing and will not go back to 1 on restart.

My Machinedrum is over at a buddies, I guess I could try that this weekend.

Does anyone else have any problems getting it to work with Logic?

dkcg · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject:

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject:

I rarely use Ableton but I did enable it after it did not trigger it all. If you use Elektron gear it does go back to stage 1 on every sequence start though? If so that is weird that Logic will not, I even tried messing around with the Midi Time code and MMC in Logic, which I have had to adjust to get Elektron gear to play nice with Logic.

I would appreciate it if you would try and see if it works in Logic because that is my main composition DAW.

7thDanSound · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:04 pm Post subject:

Does anyone have the updated 250e manual in digital form? I just upgraded to v30 and have no idea how to use these functions at all. I'd be happy to try some scenarios to see if I have the same problem.

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject:

It is just 2 pages, I could take a picture and send it to you.

dkcg · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:11 pm Post subject:

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject:

What the hell, now I got it to work and I am not sure what I did. I made and saved a new patch with the 250e on 16th notes instead of 1\4 notes. Then I made a whole new project from scratch in Logic and everything is working as it should.

Very possible it was all human error on my part at first, but for the life of me I could not trouble shoot it.

dkcg · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject:

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject:

Oh, you typed that while I was typing. I just moved the start point in Logic and that was it. It needs the song pointer at the first of the song.

Logic really needs a major overhaul. Oh well, at least I know what is up. Thanks man....

dkcg · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject:

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject:

New info for people who did not get the memo on midi and the 250e:

The time knobs set the divisions on a 1-7 value that you can see on the upper left Time Quant button turning green to red.

1) thirty-second note
2) sixteenth note triplet
3) sixteenth note
4) eight note triplet
5) eight note
6) quarter note triplet
7) quarter note

The 250e can can be synchronized on a stage by stage basis by setting the time range to the fourth (blank) value. If stage 1 is set to midi clock then midi start and stop will reset to stage 1 for playback.

dkcg · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject:

Shit I didn't even think about mixing modes and using the midi clock/stop/start/reset to get my pulse clocked sequences easily in sync and reset so I can stop obsessedly pressing the advance button to get it back to the beginning. d'oh!

Audio Resistance · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject:

dkcg · Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject:

One option is to clock the buchla with one device, like a drum machine with midi control out, clock it from Logic, and just start it when you want to start the Buchla. I never noticed the start issue you had since I have the OT clocked from the computer or looper, and just start it when I want to start the 250e. A nice thing is that you can still have access to the clock via 225e's right side outputs, but control when the 250e resets and starts.

7thDanSound · Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:57 am Post subject:

7thDanSound · Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:00 am Post subject:

Oh and yes, there is a MIDI-message to reset song pointer and stuff, I forget exactly how it works but I guess your 250e not reseting is due to that message not being sent. It should be configurable in the DAW. It makes sense to not send it if you think of multiple song sequencers synced together (like in bigger workstation like synths). I think the usage of 16-step analog sequencers isn't the number one concern for DAW makers smile

divisionbyzero · Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject:

this actually sounds like correct behavior.

when you start from the beginning of your recording logic sends a midi start command. the 250e jumps to the first stage.

when you stop, the 250e receives a midi stop and halts where it is.

when you start again from the middle of your recording logic sends a midi continue and the 250e continues from where it was.

to reset you have to send a start. i don't know of any sequencer (hardware or software) that sends a midi start when you're actually continuing a stopped sequence.

am i describing your situation correctly?

Audio Resistance · Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: