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JohnLRice · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:12 am Post subject: Happy Nerding Super Sawtor module

I got mine today and it is very cool! hyper

No time for video or audio demo yet, just telling you I had fun playin'! thumbs up

I'll put vids and pictures etc in this thread once I get some done. Other's feel free of course to post stuff here too.

Manufacturer's site:
http://www.happynerding.com/

exwel · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:43 am Post subject:

Lol i got mine also today:D

igorrr · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:15 am Post subject:

Hello to everyone!
This is me behind the Happy Nerding and its SuperSawtor module.
Quick description of the SuperSawtor:
The main use is to get the standard supersaw waveform by feeding it with saw input. So instead of one saw you get seven with the manually tunable spread amount. There is also CV input for the spread and the relative CV amount knob. The module is dual with separate controls.
Like the ordinary saw animators any waveform except the square/pulse can be used for the input.
-5V … + 5V input will give the perfect mix of the spreaded harmonics; any other input level can be used for specials effects.

Some more details and sound demos
http://www.happynerding.com/category/super-sawtor/

Will be glad to answer any questions

Regards
Igor

Jsantos360 · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:34 am Post subject:

Looking forward to receiving mine! w00t

mome rath · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:15 am Post subject:

SUPERSAW GURU

darwingrosse · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:22 am Post subject:

Superb audio demos on the site, man. Makes. Me. Want.

igorrr · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:31 am Post subject:

Raw unprocessed files along with the processed demos in wav format can be downloaded from the link below
http://www.sendspace.com/file/j21yi5

haima · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:17 am Post subject:

VERY Impressive Igorrr!

Any plans to release this module in any other formats? (euro please! hihi

)

igorrr · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:23 am Post subject:

Yes, Euro is the next goal. Should convert to smd first to be able to fit it in Euro world.

Backroads · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:48 am Post subject:

This sounds great. Besides trance, is the supersaw synonymous with other styles? Seems like it could be used for some creamy Berlin School leads oops

mecanikill · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject:

I may have to order one of these I have wanted a Sawtooth Animator but do not want to deal with Cynthia after all the posts I have read through the years. Is this based on the same circuit as the Cynthia module minus the lfo outputs?

igorrr · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:38 pm Post subject:

The main difference between the SuperSawtor and any saw animator with the same amount of stages (6) is that from the beginning saw animators were made to have the least possible repeating beating. So listening to the sustained long notes coming from the saw animators should not observe any repainting changes of the amplitude. This is achieved by proper selection of the internal LFOs frequencies, which control pitch shifts of these 6 individual voices.
Digital supersaw oscillator, which begins its life from the Roland jp80x0 release, has pairs of the shifted voices set in special way, so the beating is the part of its sound and gives it that drive. Thus SuperSawtor has been made to be very close to the digital supersaw.
http://soundcloud.com/happy-nerding/7saws-analog-vs-digi
http://soundcloud.com/happy-nerding/7saws-analog-vs-digi-2

ping panic · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject:

Wow I need one, I'm the supersaw (and trance) fanboy #1

CF3 · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject:

those demos are awesome. Great to see another playa in the MU game. thumbs up

mecanikill · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject:

dslocum · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject:

I sounds amazing. Welcome to the manufacturers club!

I'd like to hear a sound sample of very slowly beating. Your current examples seem to focus on faster CV modulation.

Again, great work!

numan7 · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject:

fluxmonkey · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject:

is there one PCB behind the panel, or separate PCBs for each half of the dual? i'm asking because i'm interesting in getting one and repurposing behind a different smaller (3 or 4u) format panel

JohnLRice · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject:

VinceL · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject:

exwel · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:03 am Post subject:

it,s 11,5 cm deep

The Dual phaser of Rob Hordijk is also arround 12 cm deep.
So it,s no problem for me.

VinceL · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:13 am Post subject:

JohnLRice · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:02 am Post subject:

I gotta leave for work (late already) so this hasn't finished uploading/processing yet but check back in a half hour or so.

burnsjed · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:57 am Post subject:

Thats done it for me, thanks John.

nerdware · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject:

Very tasty.

Dave Peck · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject:

Brilliant module. And having two of them lets you do all sorts fo cool stereo spread stuff by sending the same signal to both but with different settings on top & bottom. And the CV can let you do cool stuff like use a EG to increase detuning as the note decays, which can be a nice reverbish effect. Or use a S/H so each note in a sequence gets a different amount of detuning. Or use a separate sequencer row so specific notes in a sequence each get a specific amount of detuning....

exwel · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject:

Thanx for the video!

Only i hoped you put some more spread 75% setting in your video for trance/rave sound:)
Must wait for 2 weeks to connect mine.

ps it,s my first official dotcom module that i received at my place:)
Get my Rob Hordijk/synth.com modules between 2 a 4 weeks:(

burnsjed · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject:

Best of luck with this Igor, put my order in today, looking forward to this, sounds great! It's peanut butter jelly time!

Christopher Winkels · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject:

I get the feeling that modular synths are as close as I'll ever come to a perpetual motion machine for money, wherein everything I make by selling cabinets gets reinvested into cool modules.

And this, I think, shall be one of them.

I just PM'd Igor and hope to find out if he has one more in stock.

russma · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject:

wonder how it sounds when taking the upper output into the lower input?

What's greater than "Super"? UltraSaw?

Guinness ftw!

burnsjed · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject:

Low-Gain · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject:

That's a lot of TL074's!

GOtta get one of these! i dont even have dotcom! haha

igorrr · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:12 am Post subject:

Thank you guys for the kind words – it really means a lot for me!
By testing the unit John suggested that it will a good option to have CV inputs normalled too. Now it is only lower input is getting the same signal as the upper input until something will be plugged to it. So I will be making CV normalization from now for all the units.

As you may noticed already from the video - it is not possible for zero spread to be static and act like bypass to hear the input unchanged. It will have that slow phasery effect. I will think about dedicated bypass switch, but there is little room on the panel to be placed and not to disturb the knobs.
Regarding pots: I use the same kind of Bourns pots as MOTM previously used. I knew that it is common for dotcom format to have alpha type. But in the current design pots are soldered to the board and Bourns pots have guaranteed long life, so I used more pricier pots for reliability reason. Will consider using alpha types for the future revision. Please take into account that now the Bourns pots are used which have less rotation resistance than alpha pots.

The module is tuned to be fed by -5..+5 V inputs. If the input will be higher than that – relative level of the spread harmonics will be less than the central pitch. The more the input level increased above 5 V the more the output will be close to the input itself. If the input will be less than 4Vsome artifacts will be present. I attached the example. The sound in the middle is from 4 V (8 V pp) saw. As it is not possible to control the input levels the users will be using – it is not possible to precisely tune the unit before shipment. People who use ordinary saw animators also noticed this behavior and I’ve seen posts that they use level regulator before the input to get different sounds/flavors.

Also very high pitched notes (above 2 kHz) will have some intermediations appearing in low frequency range 50-100 Hz. They are unavoidable due to analog imperfections. So if one needs very high notes to be very clean, there should be used high pass filter set around 150 Hz or higher. Anyway very high notes will be getting proportionally less spread with the pitch rise. This is the same limitation as for oscillators to have huge working range from LFO to ultrasonic and do not have a range switch. So the module is designed to work properly in the most musically used pitch region.

Please also pay attention to the amplitude beating of the supersaw waveform – it is not uncommon to have 6 dB jumps from time to time. Some digital synthesizers treat it by internal modulation of the spread (Virus TI), some move harmonics not to be equally spaced from the central pitch (Zebra, Z3ta). But the very popular Sylenth 1 has shifted harmonics pairs set with mathematical precision, so the beating is maximum possible and repeats every time with the same rate and pattern. And this vsti is very used.
Thus those amplitude jumps may be clipped be record equipment or by any subsequent modules. There will never be internal clipping inside the SuperSator, and the output jumps should never be more than +10…-10 V (most of the time it is +-2 V … +- 7 V).

I attached example of some interesting input: first there is one ordinary saw, then I gradually add another saw to the input which is detuned compared to the first saw. When boths saws are at the same level I start to change the spread amount. Raw output is recorded.

wsy · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: principle of operation

The whole idea of a sawtooth animator seems good and the demos sound good, bur
how do they actually work? As in, can anyone tell me something of the circuitry
involved?

I tried to figure out a circuit to do that on my own but failed?

-Bill

Dave Peck · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:34 am Post subject:

Hi Igor,

Thanks for posting this additional info. The info about adjusting input gain for different effects is a handy tip! Regarding the possibility of adding a bypass switch, you could add small toggle switches to the right edge of the panel located between the SPREAD and CV knobs, similar to the way switches are mounted on the edge of a MOTM-190 VCA. Or if you prefer to keep the panel as simple and clean as possible, you could replace the standard SPREAD pot with a pot that includes a pull-switch for bypass, or a pot that includes a switch that engages when turned fully counterclockwise, like the filter mode switch on the original Oberheim SEM. But those pots are both expensive, so simple toggle switches may be the best choice.

exwel · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject:

Filename: double saw input.mp3

OMG!!! SlayerBadger!

microfauna · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject:

burnsjed · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject:

Think you are going to sell quite a few of these Igor!

igorrr · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject:

wsy · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 7:18 am Post subject:

igorrr · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 7:33 am Post subject:

It is 10.5 cm deep if the mounting brackets will be cut. If this depth is suitable for your case, I can reduce brackets length for your unit.

Christopher Winkels · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 8:09 am Post subject:

That fits quite easily in my cabinets. Mr. Green

I'm all about the internal clearance.

microfauna · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 8:14 am Post subject:

whitewulfe · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 8:37 am Post subject:

After resisting the sounds for a few days... Oh. my. Gawd. Do I ever want one!

wsy · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:06 am Post subject:

igorrr · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:30 am Post subject:

Bill, I will do a shorter revision soon.

wsy · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:35 am Post subject:

Dave Peck · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject:

hi Igor!

Payment has been sent for one of your original (through-hole) versions. This version will fit in my cabinets easily. It is Saturday here in California so you can expect the wire transfer Monday morning.

JohnLRice · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 2:51 am Post subject:

FYI: YouTube compression often adds unacceptable levels of noise/artifacts into the audio. Certainly the case with my Sawtor demo. angry

I just tried Soundcloud and it wasn't much better. I looked around a bit and tried Grooveshark. Seems like they didn't screw up the sound! thumbs up

Let me know if the link works for you and if it sounds and streams OK. This is the audio from my Sawtor demo but the sections may be in a different order and there mat be a few extra bits and bad edits etc.

http://grooveshark.com/s/Super+Sawtor+First+Impressions/4E5LmA?src=5

wsy

Both Grooveshark and Soundcloud use versions of Flash features that have
never been ported to Linux.

Ergo, they don't work. *sigh*

At least the versions on YouTube do. Better something a little distorted than
nothing at all.

- Bill

nerdware

wsy

kindredlost · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:37 am Post subject:

igorrr · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:18 am Post subject:

SMT will be used for future runs for MU and Euro. Somewhere around 30 units will be built with thru-hole technology.
Using 2-4 stages for animators does not give the desired thick sound. So having 6-7 stages is a sweet spot for this kind of unison. I tried 9, as Virus Hypersaw, but the sound looses the pitch perception with this many stages, and leads lines suffer from it, pads tolerate it better.

nerdware

wsy · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject:

JohnLRice · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject:

FYI: GrooveShark has support for the following mobile devices:
Palm
Android
BlackBerry
iPhone (assuming iPod Touch, iPad also works)
Nokia
See http://mobile.grooveshark.com/

The apps are unofficial so for iPhone etc you'd have to have a "jailbroken" device or on Android you'd have to specifically allow non-app store app.

The alternative browser based HTML5 link that I tried on my iPod Touch (non-jailbroken) works well but not so well on my Android phone (could just be my older phone though).
html5.grooveshark.com

The link will also work with Windows browsers that support HTML5:
http://html5.grooveshark.com/

Maybe the HTML5 link will work for Linux? hmmm.....

There are lot's of third party players that support Grooveshark. I don't have Linux and can't test but I noticed names like GrooveWalrus and Clementine.

In particular Nuvola Player 1.0.5 looks promising. (Currently supported services are Google Music, Grooveshark, Hype Machine and 8tracks.)
Here's an article on Nuvola:
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/google-music-frame-renamed-to-nuvola.ht ml

Once you get on Grooveshark, search for Sawtor and it should find my demo.

mono-poly · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject:

Ok bring is the euro!

love

JohnLRice · Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:06 am Post subject:

I went into studio to do something completely different and ended up with a Sawtor patch I liked so just a quick audio taste (on Grooveshark only, sorry if you can't access! waah

)

http://grooveshark.com/s/Super+Sawtor+Second+Test/4Ebpjt?src=5

I'm using both sections from the same source (MOTM-300 VCOs ->STG Mix) hard panned left and right and I switch back and forth between unprocessed and processed a few times throughout. Mostly I think I had the spread at 2 since I love the way it sounds! love

Note that if the input level is too low going into the Sawtor it doesn't work well (sort of cuts in and out, probably below some required threshold for the circuit) and if the input is to high the animation effect is lessened, which may just be due to the STG Mix distorting the saw wave and making it more squarish. (just a guess at this point.)

I start off with a single saw wave. Around the middle I add in another VCO hard sync'd to the first and then a third also hard sync'd. It works pretty well and gives some cool distortion effects. Trying to just mix unsync'd waves didn't work so well since any movement would throw off the Sawtor I believe since the mixed output of two or more saws out of sync is no longer a saw. hmmm.....

Near the end I go back to a single saw wave and add in some sync'd Modcan delay.

JohnLRice · Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:07 am Post subject:

[edit: double post d'oh!

]

Oh hey, as long as this is here . . .

I forgot to mention that when I get the speed of the sequncer (Moon 569) going at a faster rate there are a few pop in the audio. This takes place in both the Sawtor and non-Sawtor output. I probably just needed to increase the speed of the EG setting or something.

Some of the glitches happening when trying to mix three VCOs together through the Sawtor may be from expecting too much from it. thumbs up

I think it sounds best with a single VCO.

JohnLRice · Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject:

Grooveshark link now in my sig! hyper

burnsjed · Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:30 am Post subject:

Really like the 2 demos John, psyched about getting this module

JohnLRice · Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject:

Christopher Winkels · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:59 am Post subject:

Ordered one. I figure this will pair very well indeed with Doug's Model 1200 when it hits the streets.

nanners

exwel · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:41 am Post subject:

Christopher Winkels · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:03 am Post subject:

His 1MU wide VCO (I did a couple of demos of it last month). Sounds great, and quite well-specced for something so compact.

hair · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:55 am Post subject:

igorrr · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:16 am Post subject:

I'm already working on SMT revision for 5U. And Euro version is planned to be single with 4 hp width.

flashheart · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject:

bkbirge · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:04 pm Post subject:

I'd love a dual version in euro but I'll be fine getting 2x as long as the price isn't too harsh.

wintchil · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:05 pm Post subject:

Dave Peck · Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject:

Hi Folks! I just received my MU Dual Super Sawtor module a couple of hours ago and thought I'd chime in with a 'mini-review'. In a nutshell, the build quality is flawless and the sound is excellent! And BTW Igor is a really good guy to deal with. He shipped it right away, provided a tracking number and a link to the tracking service so I could keep tabs on the shipment, and even took the initiative to double check with the shipping service to verify all was well and then contacted me to follow up. His customer service could not be better.

So - Yes, this thing does really nice, thick supersaw stuff with a single ramp wave input. But it does a lot more.

Feed two ramp waves into a mixer, tuned a fifth apart, and adjust their levels to get all sort so of really nice and musically interesting effects that sound like a blend between a supersaw and Marshall amp stack with controlled harmonic feedback tones. Nice.

Control the CV input with an envelope to make the saw detune and blur as the note decays, which sounds a bit like reverb but cleaner because there's no reverb sustain to make the notes overlap. Especially useful for bass patches, which sometimes don't work well with real reverb.

I just made a patch that runs one saw through both Super Sawtor channels, with each channel controlled by a different S/H so each note in a sequence gets a different stereo supersaw effect. Wow. This. Sounds. Great. It's easy to just set it for extreme trancey supersaw sounds, but by experimenting with the SPREAD and CV settings you can dial it in just right for a very cool multi-osc effect with plenty of random animation going on spread across the stereo field. Much more lively and musical than a static detune amount.

You can also get some really weird, complex and sorta-random CV sources by sending a low frequency sawtooth through it....

This modules is a good choice for someone with a smaller system, so you can get big multi-osc detuned effects without buying several more oscs, and the fact that there are TWO channels in one module also makes it a really nice addition to larger systems. I highly recommend this thing.

BTW, I' not a Happy Nerding sales rep or anything, I paid for mine and I'm just a very satisfied customer.

exwel · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:29 am Post subject:

Is it possible to put regular audio from a other synth in the input of the super sawtor?

JohnLRice · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject:

Sure, you can input any audio into it but you will get varying results based on the content of the input. It loves sawtooth waves and is happy with sine and triangle too. But square and pulse are no good (for pretty much any use) and the more complex the audio probably the worse it will work.

exwel · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:02 am Post subject:

Still waiting for my modular but i wanted to test it with my ATC-X of studio electronics.
I boosted the signal with 2 compressors la2a/sta-level.
The sound was cool but i had only cracks in the sound.
I wait for the rob hordijk en then i will use the nod proc or the dual fader to boost external sounds to get a proper sound.
thumbs up

JohnLRice · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:17 am Post subject:

Yes, if the input level is too low it won't work but, you shouldn't need tons of gain. Make sure that when you are boosting you aren't clipping (distorting) the saw wave because that will make it into more of a square / pulse and not work either.

exwel · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:09 am Post subject:

learned the hard way:)

synthetic · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:37 am Post subject:

Any chance of MOTM format?

igorrr · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:47 am Post subject:

MOTM format does not allow placing all the knobs and jacks for the module in single width. Will try to find some solution without affecting the features.

Christopher Winkels · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject:

Got mine today (thanks, Igor! It arrived well packed and sounds great).

I'd post some videos but all my USB ports on this fucking Dell computer packed it in about 3 weeks ago, so until I can sell more cabinets and buy myself a Macbook there'll be no vids from Winkelstein.

Dave Peck · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject:

Hi all,

A few additions to the review I posted earlier - I've been experimenting with trying different types of inputs to see what the Supersawtor likes and doesn't like, and I found a few nice surprises. First, I had not bothered to try sine or triangle waves as inputs until now, assuming the output would just sound like a cluster of, well, detuned sine & triangle waves, which didn't seem like it would be all that interesting. But nope! Using either of these waves as inputs gives you a couple of variations of clusters of rich, detuned hollow-sounding waves that sound a lot like a whole pile of detuned square oscs! These are both really musically useful (and you can filter them to get something more like detuned sines if you do want that anyway).

I knew that these types of modules don't work with square oscs as inputs, so this was a really nice discovery. It pretty much doubles the sonic options from this module.

And - This thing responds REALLY well to any of these waves with hard-sync sweeps. Nice.

JohnLRice · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:04 am Post subject:

wsy · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: When will the new ones come out?

Igor:

Do you have any schedule for the new, thinner design for the sawtooth animator?

I can't fit anything deeper than 4" into my portable skiff, but I'd still love one. If it's years
away then maybe I should take the plunge now and use the module only
when I'm at home.

- Bill

igorrr · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:38 am Post subject:

I plan to order the first test run in SMT design next week. So if everything will go as expected in two weeks there will be SMT version 1 inch deep.
This design will require two power connections, I hope this is not a big issue, and the good thing is that it will allow the module to be split in two single sawtors.

wsy · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:53 am Post subject:

JohnLRice · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject:

Maybe it's too late or easier said than done but if it is one continuous PCB with holes punched to make it snap in half easily and you put the power connector pads in the middle of the board on either side of the split line, the traces could connect the two so you'd only need one power header and lead for the 5U version. Then for Euro modules run a knife along the traces in the split area and snap in half on the edge of a desk etc?

Similar to how this nifty Catgirl Synth MOTM power distro board was done! thumbs up

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs74_bus.html

sduck · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: principle of operation

wsy · Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: Either way, it sounds good!

Igor:

Either way (dual connectors, "snap in half", bridge wires, whatever) I'm up for it,
especially at the current price.

When you want money, let me know. PM is good.

- Bill

burnsjed · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:04 am Post subject:

Module arrived yesterday Igor, incredibly well packed, many thanks!

thanatronique · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject:

I would get one in euro. thumbs up

JohnLRice · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:51 am Post subject:

Here is another testing video.

VinceL · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject:

Most excellent demo Mr. Rice. we're not worthy

I need to send some money to Igor. woah

JohnLRice · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject:

burnsjed · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:42 am Post subject:

John, when I tried to play the demo yesterday I was too early, and now it seems to have dissapeared?

found it on youtube!

Stereotactixxx · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:06 am Post subject:

Absolutely fantastic demo JLR! SlayerBadger!

That is really one kick ass sounding module.

Just out of curiosity, is the Super Sawtor panel printed or photo etched?

igorrr · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:24 am Post subject:

The panel is photo etched

mecanikill · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:29 am Post subject:

Eagerly awaiting for mine to get here! thumbs up

JohnLRice · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:31 am Post subject:

JohnLRice · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:32 am Post subject:

wsy · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: I am still lusting

No news yet from Igorr. I hope he finds his new op amp supplier soon!

- Bill

whitewulfe · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: I am still lusting

igorrr · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:12 am Post subject:

Hello to everyone!
Tomorrow I hope to receive the first assembled boards for 3 units in SMT format.
The depth is limited only by the Switchraft 112A jacks, so every cabinet will be able to accommodate the new revision units.
Unfortunately I was delayed for two weeks by fake TL074 quad opams. Some "clever" people succeeded to make fakes of the already cheapest opam. These fakes work, but much slower than they should, you can’t even make a buffer with them – the signal fronts will be eaten.
I will contact all the interested fellows when the units will be prepared.

wsy · Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: PMed and paypalled!

Dave Peck · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject:

I just found another cool trick with the Super Sawtor module and wanted to share it:

Using a Dotcom Q106 oscillator, which has simultaneous UP saw and DOWN saw outputs (or if your osc only has one of these, you can use a multiple and an inverter to create the missing one), patch the UP saw to the top half of the module and the DOWN saw to the bottom half and set the spread controls on the two sections to just slightly different settings. Try setting the spread control on the top section to "3" and the bottom section to "3.01". Now send these to separate VCAs to keep the signals separate and give them a slight stereo spread at the synth output or at the mixer. It's a massive detuned saw sound with an added hollow flange effect in stereo as the slightly different settings cause the positive & negative elements within the supersaws to partially cancel. Nice!

JohnLRice · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject:

exwel · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:49 am Post subject:

Will try that also thanx!

VinceL · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject:

Received an e-mail from Igor that the SMT versions of the Super Sawtor are in stock. Placed my order this morning. w00t

Now all of you with modules from the original batch can go around talking about how you have the vintage Super Sawtors with a sound that the newer SMT version just can't replicate. hihi

Dave Peck · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject:

wsy · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject:

wsy · Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: I got mine yesterday!!!

I got my V2 Super Sawtor in the mail yesterday (but couldn't actually power it up till
today).

Sounds: GREAT! The closest thing to the Awesome Button yet. It's a very different
sound from either a wavefolder or a phaser (my other two favorite anti-filters).

The new design is REALLY shallow - most of the circuitry fits between the sidebends
of an MU-type front panel. The jacks are free-floating (short pigtails to the PCBs);
mine has the PCBs jumpered together with tie wires so it only uses up one Dotcom
power connector (I'm not sure if this one was made up this way special for me by
Igor or whether it's now Igor's standard).

And it sounds WONDERFUL. The new SMT units go from absolutely no
effect on the sound, up through Roland SuperSaw, to crazy detuned noise.

I'll try to get a Youtube video up. It's great.

Thanks, Igor!

- Bill

bkbirge · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject:

Where da euro at?

russma · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:44 am Post subject:

I received my Super Sawtor module the other day and played with it today.

Outstanding.

Great price, fast shipping, excellent communication. Folks, this one's a no-brainer. Highly recommended.

Great work, Igor!

thumbs up

darwingrosse · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject:

JohnLRice · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:14 pm Post subject:

Good deal Russ! thumbs up

Is yours the newer surface mount one?

russma · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject:

wintchil · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject:

Is euro on it's way? hmmm.....

igorrr · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:42 am Post subject:

The Euro version is in development. The board is 90% routed. It takes considerable amount of time for me to do SMT routing as no auto route function and 6 layer pcb are used.
The target date of Euro version release is late September.

wsy · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:42 am Post subject:

Tronketz · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject:

Tronketz · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:41 am Post subject:

To add to the above patch:

Use keytracking so that low notes have less sawtor signal and high notes have more sawtor.

kraku · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject:

Any plans for MOTM?

igorrr · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:30 am Post subject:

After I finish the Euro version, I will consider MOTM format. Should find the way to obtain a proper MOTM front panels.

kraku · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:12 am Post subject:

OK, so there is still hope for me then applause

JohnLRice · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:13 am Post subject:

igorrr · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:35 am Post subject:

The most concern for MOTM - is the proper finish of the panels and reliable silkscreening.

igorrr · Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:04 am Post subject:

Update.
Here is the picture of the current SMT Sawtor revision. The depth of the module is minimal.
Euro version is moving to the manufacturing stage.
Also I’d like to find out the amount of people interest in MOTM version. I can do it single width with one Sawtor submodule (MU allows placing two submodules due to a bigger panel space). There will be 3 pots: Spread, CV and Mix (variable mix of the input signal and supersaw output).
Target price is 180 USD plus shipping. I will use the Bridechamber’s blank panels drilled and silkscreened to MOTM grid.

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JohnLRice · Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:03 am Post subject:

Dave Peck · Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject:

wsy · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:52 am Post subject: Mix?

Actually, I think that the mix control should work slightly differently than that.

Instead, use a reversible attenuator on the original signal so at full left, you get the
source at full invert plus the sawtor, at center you get JUST the sawtor output,
and at right you get the uninverted source plus the sawtor.

How: use a reversible attenuator circuit (takes 2 op-amp cells, = one TL072), and set it up as follows:

Current sawtor circuit input goes into

-- 1 end of 100K linear potentiometer
-- thru a unity-gain inverter (1 op-amp cell) to other end of a 100K potentiometer

Output from wiper of potentiometer is the reversible attenuator (at ~ 100Kohm Z)
and is added to the current sawtor output in a noninverting summing junction (the
2nd op-amp cell).

I think that would do it.

- Bill

Tronketz · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:01 am Post subject:

wsy, in your setup, the original signal is can be mixed in inverted or noninverted. However, when it is not inverted, theoretically there should be be little to no sonic difference whether the knob is center or full right. Only when the original signal is louder than sawtor will you hear any difference.

So, it would make a big sonic difference if the sawtor would be affected by the attenuverting mix knob. love

Tronketz · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:02 am Post subject:

correction: wsy, in your setup, the original signal can be mixed inverted or noninverted.

igorrr · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:48 am Post subject:

Actually I plan to make MOTM version using Euro board and there is no place on this board for any additional opams. The only change for MOTM version will be power connector. Also mix of the sawtor and inverted saw has much higher output level than mix with noninverted saw.

EATyourGUITAR · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject:

I like it but I'm not sure if it would add anything to a system that already has a e340

whitewulfe · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject:

I'm definitely going to have to pick up one of these in the near future!

kraku · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject:

I'm interested in buying the module.

igorrr · Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:37 am Post subject:

Here how it will look like mixed with dotcom panel and banana jacks.

JohnLRice · Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject:

gridrunner · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:37 am Post subject:

Igor, your module sounds great!! thumbs up

i would love to see one in MOTM. Have you considered the Tellun mini knob style single width layout ( or T.M.K.S.S.W.L.)? I don't know how others feel about this layout, but it would allow for enough space for everything, and maybe a bypass switch too.

igorrr · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:06 am Post subject:

In a couple of days I will get MOTM version boards, so can prepare the electrical part soon. But the main problem is to find a place to order MOTM panels. Here is the design:

MOTM version is having the same functionality as the Euro Sawtor with added 100% wet output (SSAW). So you have two outputs: MIX – mixed input and supersaw in accordance with “MIX” pot setting, and 100% wet supersaw.

gridrunner · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:39 am Post subject:

nice layout! cool

have you talked to Scott at Bridechamber about panels?

igorrr · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject:

Sent request to Bridechamber.
May be somebody can advise some other place where I can order proper MOTM panels?
Except of Ben at resynthesis, as he has too many orders now to start with MOTM.

gridrunner · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:43 am Post subject:

I really hope you can find a source for the baked paint, screen printed panels! I'm hoping somebody will have some leads

Psychlist1972 · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:32 pm Post subject:

I ordered two in MU format and they just arrived. Everything was nicely packed with plenty of padding.

I haven't tried them out yet, but will soon smile

Psychlist1972 · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:30 pm Post subject:

I just plugged it in and tried it out.

something wonderful

My god. It's full of stars.

Sine, triangle, saw, and ramp just sound amazing.

JohnLRice · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:02 pm Post subject:

Psychlist1972 · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:12 pm Post subject:

My JP8080 is staring over at the modular, getting annoyed. It was originally a little concerned when something else in my office showed up with more knobs than it. Now that this new knobby thing has shown up with a supersaw (four of them), it's going to hit the fan.

Psychlist1972 · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:44 am Post subject:

One oscillator with sawtooth into the top of the sawtor

One oscillator with triangle into the bottom
Sine wave LFO controlling "width" on bottom.

Whole new class of sounds.

Putting it through the ladder filter is just...odd. Pretty sure Roland supersaw and Moog-style ladder filters were never meant to meet in real life. Nothing off-putting, just a new sound. smile

I admit this makes my modular sound nothing like a traditional 5U modular, but it's an amazing module to have. I bet I can get some amazing drone going on with that thing too.

Highly recommended.

Oh, and I'll look at the manual at some point wink

Pete

acealive · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:46 am Post subject:

Ordered one of those. Really good idea for a module.
Western Union payment only, though.
never knew Ukraine is not allowing paypal. Or the other way round.

Minimoog56 · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:33 am Post subject:

Igorr took paypal through a US friend when I ordered. Being a dscendant of Ukrainians, very sad they are isolated like this economically from world synth commerce.

sonicwarrior · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:08 am Post subject:

Psychlist1972 · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:42 am Post subject:

igorrr · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject:

WU charges something around 3%. Their online service is a bit slow and money arrive in 4-6 days. If the payment done in their office it arrives immediately.
I have both Euro and USD bank accounts, but bank fees are 25 Euro or 35 USD most of the time.
Shipment is now 10 USD to any Earth location a postman can reach.
Germany is a bit tricky because your customs protects export way too much, so I will be using my friend at Austria as intermediary destination for German clients. This way it will be faster and safer.
Scott at Bridechamber is preparing blank MOTM panels, which then will be properly treated for MOTM version.

acealive · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:29 am Post subject:

acealive · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:12 pm Post subject:

My Super Sawtor arrived today, very well packed.
Will try it out tonight smile