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I just shake my head at these images. really.. who the fuck sees a module like this and let's it ship to the buyer?
for that kind of cash these should be works of art.. like some of her other builds are... but these are so far off the mark it's just unfathomable that she let it slide.
it's ridiculous.. and i'm glad you are sending it back and proceeding with the small claims court process. i hope it works out for you.
ugh.. i understand how it would wear you down so i'll be glad when this nonsense is wrapped up for you and you can move on with your refund!
| amnesia wrote: | I feel like crying I am so worn down by all this.
I got a rush job :-(
Zoe report,
1. The jacks are uneven in height
2. The jacks are not even suitable for the Buchla system that it is designed for. They are mini jacks suitable for the euro format modular. I cant insert the Buchla tini leads into them
3. The pots arent centered, and when rotated are wobble about unevenly. Like watching a warped record ro round.
This has to be THE worst build I have ever come across.
Who checked this before it was obviously rushed off to me?
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| ignatius wrote: | who the fuck sees a module like this and let's it ship to the buyer?
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Someone who is desperate to cool some of the heat they're getting?
Someone who's life is chaos, and has lost touch with reality?
Someone who can only afford untrained, low paid, rushed helpers?
The tiny-jax thing is just flat out weird. Why??????????? |
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| Dr. Sketch-n-Etch wrote: | | You are probably right. Still, if you can fry a module just by installing knobs without grounding yourself, then it's a miracle anything works at all. |
It's not about installing knobs, it's about handling an electronic assembly that will be sold for a considerable sum to worldwide customers. I agree that if it was just a mechanical assembly then it would be fine, but even the front panel PCB has ICs on it, so the fact that he is fitting knobs means he is handling an electronic assembly.
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I hope I'm not alone in thinking Cynthia has been given all the second chances she deserves.
I think it's very important this keeps being stressed and she goes out of (this) business for good. If you can't run a business then don't. Nothing personal, just a fact of life.
She should file for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, have her assets seized and sold and her creditors payed. And move on.
"But I want these modules" I hear people argue. Well, it's not like you can have them as it is. And if they're really that good and none of the myriad other modules out there will do someone else will surely step up and produce these precious items. |
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Being cynical, that could be the whole point. Legal damage limitation. "Well, I provided the goods in the end". Yeah, the same deliberately broken module to all her customers...
This really ought to be blown out of here and into all the other web synth spaces. People need to know.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Looking at this:
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Any chance of a close-up of the other side of the large power connector at the bottom of the board? Its just not sitting right in the footprint and I have a sneaking suspicion why...
Neil
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That looks like a surface mount version of that type of connector.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| That connector definitely isn't right... |
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| Babaluma wrote: |
This really ought to be blown out of here and into all the other web synth spaces. People need to know. |
+1000
I assume the business continues because people are still putting in orders for these pieces of crap, without knowing the full story here.
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Thanks 
Exactly as I thought. See those little pins sticking out the side? Not soldered to any pads? You *might* be lucky and the 90 degree bend at the base of the pins sits over pads so you have some degree of mechanical support. Otherwise only the ones on the inner side are actually connected to anything.
My guess is the footprint is for a through-hole part, but they bodged on a surface mount part.
Sad. Truly.
I wonder if they also ran out of 2-way surface-mount DIP switches? Looking at SW1 and SW2 and the amusing wire links 
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| Quote: | | You are probably right. Still, if you can fry a module just by installing knobs without grounding yourself, then it's a miracle anything works at all. |
It's the law of large numbers. If you're making a single module for yourself, it's probably not a big deal. If you are manufacturing 100 boards, the odds go up that you're going to have a problem.
There's also an issue of the professionalism. If you blow up boards you make for yourself, that's your choice. If you make stuff for other people, you really need to step up your game and produce a quality product, especially if you charge Cynthia prices.
And financially, preventing damage costs 1% of what it costs to troubleshoot, repair, and ship replacement modules.
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| neil.johnson wrote: | Thanks
Exactly as I thought. See those little pins sticking out the side? Not soldered to any pads? You *might* be lucky and the 90 degree bend at the base of the pins sits over pads so you have some degree of mechanical support. Otherwise only the ones on the inner side are actually connected to anything.
My guess is the footprint is for a through-hole part, but they bodged on a surface mount part.
Sad. Truly.
I wonder if they also ran out of 2-way surface-mount DIP switches? Looking at SW1 and SW2 and the amusing wire links
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Considering how it is shifted, i'd say it is much more likely that the heel fillet on the inside row of leads may even be dangerously close to shorting to the annular rings near the board edge if it doesn't already.
I agree that it does seem to be a through-hole board layout, or at the very least a layout not designed for the part it is using. If the pad layout was designed for the part in use, there would be enough of a pad available to be able to see evidence of wetting on the other side, even though it wouldn't be the full length of the lead.
Given how badly it's off, the silkscreen alone should have drawn a QA inspector's eyes directly toward that part.
The oversights in quality displayed here go way deeper than the end result.
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| neil.johnson wrote: | | Dr. Sketch-n-Etch wrote: | | You are probably right. Still, if you can fry a module just by installing knobs without grounding yourself, then it's a miracle anything works at all. |
It's not about installing knobs, it's about handling an electronic assembly that will be sold for a considerable sum to worldwide customers. I agree that if it was just a mechanical assembly then it would be fine, but even the front panel PCB has ICs on it, so the fact that he is fitting knobs means he is handling an electronic assembly.
Cheers,
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Only the worst ESD events result in complete failure of a part, but minor events will degrade performance (eg increase input leakage current on a FET op-amp) that can be hard to spot or trouble-shoot. As Neil states, poor handling shortens the life of a product, although the consequences may not be seen for some time. |
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Often this sort of surface mount connector has little plastic bumps that fit though holes in the circuit board to help keep it in place when soldering. I don't use that specific type, though.
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| diophantine wrote: | | science - And how the hell is it unacceptable for me to have crossed my fingers for others who are owed modules? |
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| amnesia wrote: | I feel like crying I am so worn down by all this.
I got a rush job :-(
Zoe report,
1. The jacks are uneven in height
2. The jacks are not even suitable for the Buchla system that it is designed for. They are mini jacks suitable for the euro format modular. I cant insert the Buchla tini leads into them
3. The pots arent centered, and when rotated are wobble about unevenly. Like watching a warped record ro round.
This has to be THE worst build I have ever come across.
Who checked this before it was obviously rushed off to me?
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shit....i looked at that photo a few pages back and noticed these jacks immediately. my cyclebox has a bit of this kind of issue too, but not as badly. god knows why people think it’s a hood idea to solder jack sockets onto the board with no washers - surely the strain of having jacks plugged in and pulled out will weaken the solder joints in the long run. my cyclebox developed an intermittent connection on one of its outputs within a few weeks. it was fine if you didn’t push the jack in hard, or if you pulled it out a little once you’d connected it.......so i loosened all the pots and switches on the front, and spun the washers (which were round the back of the panel for some reason) right up to the back of the faceplate so that the jacks were then pulled back slightly into the holes. this way, when you plug a cable in, the faceplate takes the strain, and the washer - being right up behind the faceplate - takes the strain when disconnecting. all a bit silly though - presumably it’s only like that because one component is too tall to allow the jacks to pop through the front sufficiently to get a washer on.
gets annoying all this kind of stuff, doesn’t it?
i feel for you in your saga of tedium
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