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redcon1
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject: Little LFO Problem Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

One of my three boards doesn't oscillate. Swapped chips between the boards, swapped board (and connections) on the panel, problem stays with the board. Nothing obvious in terms of shorts/broken tracks/bent pins. Anyone got any thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

What voltages do you have on the triangle wave and pulse outputs?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

+1.88V and +7.34V respectively. Or so I thought. Leaving it on for several hours, it became apparent that while the pulse output wasn't changing, the triangle was, but with a period of several hours! (irrespective of pot settings). That looked like a huge time constant on the RC bit, but there are no shorts. Time to swap out the capacitor?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

redcon1 wrote:
Time to swap out the capacitor?


Could be. I'm assuming you don't have the range switch fitted - if so change the range and if that oscillates it is probably the C1 capacitor or the tracking to it.

If you don't have a switch but do have C6 fitted then simply short out S1 and S2 with a little bit of wire (no need to solder it - just shove the wire in the holes). If that makes it oscillate, it's either C1 or the tracking to it again.

The other thing it could be is a broken pot. Set the rate pot to fast. Then check the voltage output of the wiper (middle pin) of the rate pot. It should be similar to the voltage on the pulse output. If not the rate pot is either busted or not connected somehow.

The shape pot is harder to test with just a DVM.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Shorting S1 and S2 reduced the voltage as expected, but didn't start the board oscillating, unfortunately!

When the voltage on the wiper was 11.43V, the pulse output was 7.36V - different enough to suspect the pot? Otherwise, the pot behaves as expected with the resistance changing smoothly between 0 and 10K as it should, and the connectivity between the pot and pins 1 and 3 of U2 is fine.

I guess the next step is to swap the pots with those from one of the other two boards? sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The rate pot sounds like it's OK.

redcon1 wrote:
I guess the next step is to swap the pots with those from one of the other two boards? sad

Not yet - but it could be the shape pot.

With the power off, try checking the continuity between pin 1 of U2 and pin 2 of U1. Move the shape pot as you do this. One end (anti-clock) should produce a resistance of around 6K8. The other end should be much higher.

If you don't get around 6K8 in the anti-clock position you have a problem with the pot or the connections to the pot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Synthbuilder wrote:


If you don't get around 6K8 in the anti-clock position you have a problem with the pot or the connections to the pot.

Tony


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Yup, it's a crap pot - teach me to check them before plugging them in.

Thanks a lot!
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