Muff's Modules & More

Alwaysnew · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: A160 rythm issues

The Doepfer A160 divides the incoming signal but the divisions aren't firing at the same time, I know this is the way it's supposed to be but it's kind of frustrating.

For the 4ms divider there is a "spread mode" on the breakout panel that makes it's divisions fire at the same time so my question is: is there a way to make the A160 fire at the same time too?

Thanks!

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:17 am Post subject:

In short. No. You wound need to use a trigger inverter on each output.

Alwaysnew · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:41 am Post subject:

Ah, yeah that's right. Well, I'll try the 4ms way instead! Thanks!

Count Edlington · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject:

Can someone explain this problem a bit more? I'm in the process of buying a clock divider and would like to avoid any unpleasant surprises. For the record I'm probably going to get the 4ms.....

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject:

I'll give it a shot. The problem is in the way that the modules count. With the A-160, It keeps adding from the base. There's no way around it without inverting each output so that they start high after a reset.

The 4ms RCD expander has a switch to do it both ways. (the arrow switch, not the spread...)

Hopefully any other companies that are designing modules with clock division (cough, danjel?, cough) will do it the 4ms way instead of the Doepfer way. I believe the Pittsburgh Timetable counts on the one also. I can't think of any other clock dividers other than those. With one, wonderful 14hp clocking mecca on the way hopefully. screaming goo yo

XidZeta · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject:

dang, i have been wondering about that for a while...

Alwaysnew · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject:

I decided to get a 4ms scm with breakout and I hope it will help solve this problem for me. I know it's a multiplier and not a divider but my plan is to send slow triggers to it and make my rythms that way. Hope it works! Then I'll sell my a160!

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject:

just remember, the scm doesn't reset...

Alwaysnew · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject:

Hm
Not even with breakout?
What does "resync" do?

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject:

See this thread. Not sure if it ever was worked out or not. Pretty much has kept me from buying one though. Shame, because I love my RCD!

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56229&highlight=scm+r eset

Count Edlington · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject:

fireclown · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject:

If you abandon the original clock signal as a source for anything but the 160 you should be OK, just use the divisions for various sequencers etc. It works some nice tricks on the 150 VC Switch and so forth.
very worth having in a Doepfer setup.
163 is the real cure to the worlds pain.

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject:

Count Edlington · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

Cool, yeah I think both could be useful, having a switch could be fun to jam out on Band

......maybe I should get the breakout so I can have access to both, damn GAS has got me again! very frustrating

Thanks for clarifying that exper I hate when you buy a module expecting it to behave a certain way and it doesn't.

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject:

I think the breakout is pretty necessary to be honest. I often go from long noodles with slow clock divisions, and then back to fast polyrhythmic patterns utilizing the odd divisions and reset. I'd hate to have to pull the module out every time I needed different divisions. Plus, the gate/trigger mode is very useful as well. I seriously can't wait to use a division gate for my incoming Echophon. I figure, sending the gate to the wet mix and freeze jack will create Ableton style beat repeat style stutters... I'm gonna get my euro glitchhop on!

Count Edlington · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject:

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject:

Have you looked at the Plog? 2 Logic channels and 2 Flipflops. Incredible for rhytmic variation...

just saying... hihi

Count Edlington · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject:

HOLY SHIT! eek!

just checking it out now, looks insane, way more than the Doepfer but also far deeper........Not exactly sure how the flip flop part works though hmmm.....

whats flipping and whats flopping and whats the data jack for?

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject:

Well, Flipflops can be consider toggled switches in the first section and 1 bit memory in the second. They can also be simple clock dividers (/2 and /4)

So, in the first section, a trigger flips it on, and then a second trigger flips it off. Very simple. The second one, with the data input, does similar, except that when there is data, it follows that. In that case, it sort of quantizes the data input to clocks. Check the manual for a better description as I'm probably not describing it all completely.

All of that is shorthand for "Its amazing for sequencing and rhythmic variation."

NV · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject:

Count Edlington · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject:

Ah ok so the 4ms will output a pulse the size of the clock value and the Doepfer will put out a gate that is the size of the division value? I'm looking for one that puts out long gates so maybe doepfer's the one for me.... Only thing is I would like rotation and odd divisions so now I'm guessing I need both very frustrating

Hmmmmm don't think I have the budget for both...... shit.

and exper that intellijel plog is very very cool, crazy combinations to be had, I'm checking out the manual this minute!

NV · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject:

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject:

The RCD can do gates as well. Its really the hands down choice at this point. For me at least, until this:

Though I may still keep the RCD around for the Gates mode.

Count Edlington · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject:

exper · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject:

Intellijel is definitely almost there. For me, I'd need to see a random cv generator ala Buchla 266 or Wogglebug, but, you know, different. Also, I couldn't imagine using any system without LPGs so, they'd need to make that as well. But, with their new modules, I could totally see using only their modules and being very, very happy. Same with MN.

chvad · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject:

the doepfer is also great for non-percussive tasks like dealing with VC switches and what not. ive got the 160 next to a spock for inverting when needed and also a SCM. both are great

Paranormal Patroler · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:15 am Post subject:

So I guess that having the a-160, a-161, Plog, a-166 logic and planning on buying the RCD and SCM makes me a pulse/trigger freak?

I thought dedicating 3U for weird sequencing was standard procedure razz