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Analog Supersaw take 3
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Author Analog Supersaw take 3
Tronketz
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/analog_castle.mp3

Third real attempt at create a supersaw with one analog oscillator. Overdubbed 16 x 2 times (for polyphony of 2) plus two more overdubs to create a "master saw" used as a dry/wet control. What I mean by this is that I have 16 saws playing at once at equal volume level at same pitch with an additional saw (17th saw) that is louder than the 16 saws. I could make the 17th saw quieter making the supersaw wet or make the 17th saw louder to make the supersaw dry.

MOTM-310 Oscillator [FM In] <-- MOTM-101 [S&H Out]
MOTM-310 --> MOTM-440 --> MOTM-190 VCA --> DAW
DAW [Gradually increasing DC Offset for slowly opening filter] --> MOTM-440 [FM In]

>MOTM-101
Speed: 10
Level: 10
Slew: 0.5

>MOTM-310
FM: 0.7



IMPORTANT: Pan half saws hard left and other half hard right.

This would be easier if I had a second oscillator to do polyphony instead having to record everything twice smile
Kent
Welcome back, Argitoth! applause
Tronketz
d'oh!
krisp14u
Kent wrote:
Welcome back, Argitoth! applause


that's exactly what i thought

happy new year Elan Mr. Green
Muff Wiggler
yay I missed being told that the things I like to listen to are "unmusical" very frustrating
Tronketz
4th attempt, based on an audio demo of Native Instruments Massive by Adam Van Baker

http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/poppy_supersaw.mp3

--POPPY TRANCE PLUCK--
MOTM-310 Oscillator [FM In] <-- MOTM-101 [S&H Out]
MOTM-440 [FM In] <-- MOTM-800
MOTM-310 --> MOTM-440 --> MOTM-190 --> DAW

>MOTM-101
Speed: 10
Level: 10
Slew: 1.5

>MOTM-310
FM: 0.7

>MOTM-800
Attack: 0
Decay: 3.4
Sustain: 0
Release: 4.5
D/A A/D
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with synth noise... If I catch you posting shit like this in synth noise, there will be consequences...

Severe consequences...

Moved.
flippantminister
D/A A/D wrote:
Severe consequences...


thumbs up
drewtoothpaste
The... The most perfect sine wave... A single tear falls on an analog module.
attacksustain
drewtoothpaste wrote:
The... The most perfect sine wave... A single tear falls on an analog module.


Perfect sines are so 2009. It's all about the perfect (super)saw now.
NV
attacksustain wrote:

Perfect sines are so 2009. It's all about the perfect (super)saw now.


A supersaw with absolutely no harmonic content. I wouldn't believe it myself had I not seen it with my own eyes.
Atticus
Tronketz wrote:
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/analog_castle.mp3


That is a beautiful sound. thumbs up
baboo
I love the sound!! but at the same time I don't get how it's done hmmm.....
by "overdubbed" you mean that you use multiples and mixers for the same output or you record it and multiply tracks in your DAW?

what does such overdubbing do to the sound? Is it means of amplifying the signal that leaves the filter so that harmonic content is removed but a single output would be of too low amplitude??

I kind of feel ashamed now oops I have the necessary modules, yet such supersaws have never been created on my synth..
MyPasswordIs123456
Wow very impressive. I'm also interested to know how you pulled this off. I probably wouldn't have the patience to replicate this but I'm curious.
Audio Resistance
Now you 3 must bow to Argitoths powers.... Russian Roulette
Tronketz
baboo wrote:
I love the sound!! but at the same time I don't get how it's done hmmm.....
by "overdubbed" you mean that you use multiples and mixers for the same output or you record it and multiply tracks in your DAW?


Apologies, I thought this thread died and so I didn't come to check on its replies. I'll try to explain the process.

You need to have the oscillator drifting in pitch chaotically. This way, when you overdub the oscillator 16 times, you get a spread of random pitches. You are not creating the supersaw in the traditional way; that is, turning the fine-tune knob slightly after each overdub. That would be even more time-consuming and leaves lots of room for human error.

How do you get the oscillator to drift in pitch chaotically? Noise. The key is to figure out how much drift you want and how fast the pitch should wobble up and down. So far, I've been using the internal clock, noise, S&H, and slew of the MOTM-101. I'm still expirimenting trying to find the right balance of all settings. The greater the pitch drift, the bigger and fuzzier the supersaw. The faster the pitch drift, the more "angry" it will sound... or something... hmmm.....

I'll be doing more supersaw expiriments when my MOTM-101 comes back from Paul Schrieber (turns out my MOTM-101's white and pink noise outputs were very low in volume due to using "quiet" diodes)
bf
I only use diodes that go to 11.
baboo
nice, I have a Analogue soutions s&h that has internal noise source and slew limiter- should be cool, I'll just have to put the output through an attenuator to control the pitch shifting ammount.... I'll try that later. thanks! we're not worthy
Tronketz
Baboo, to answer your earlier question, I use a DAW and record take after take of drifting oscillators.

Also, if you don't have S&H / Slew, you can use any type of noise source and a lowpass filter. More filtering = slower pitch drift. It may not work as well because a good pitch spread requires the pitch to drift away from the original pitch as opposed to constantly crossing the original pitch. I'll try to illustrate:

gaslampmusehog
Late to the party, so happy we're here!!!
Tronketz
http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/supersaw_increasing_anger.mp3

Three different speeds of the S&H clock and changing amount of FM

Note: To get an angry supersaw, use white noise as the clock.
sandyb
waah
ach_gott
Well done!
doctorvague
drewtoothpaste wrote:
The... The most perfect sine wave... A single tear falls on an analog module.


Drew gets my vote for post of the week.
hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi


Watch out for that 17th saw wave - it changes everything.

And 13's my limit on schnitzen-grüben.
parasitk
Sweet. Really captures that vintage JP8000 sound.
Tronketz

REAPER 3.2

http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/supersaw_composition.mp3

Blue: Two dub tracks panned hard left and right are louder than all the other dubs to create a dry/wet supersaw effect (MOTM-440 filter)

Green: Using Charsiesis VST effect for a chorusy sound. (MOTM-485 filter in feedback)

Red: Not a supersaw, but uses drifting pitch and recorded twice over (panned hard left/right) for a simple doubling effect. I offset the two tracks to create an interesting delay effect which makes it sound more plucky in my opinion. See magnified waveform. (MOTM-440 filter)

Supersaw patch: For the supersaw patch, it is very plucky. This is achieved by doubling the output of the envelope and sending it to the CV and In of a VCA. Full CV mod and gain is set to 3.5 to create a sustain. Sustain on the envelope is set to 4.

The pitch drift is fast but subtle to create a skinny or searing sound. Also, midi velocity is controlling the filter FM to create filter dynamics. This is also the case in the other two patches.
drewtoothpaste
Ampguy:tapeop::Argitoth:muffwiggler
futureworlder
Enjoy the show!
Muff Wiggler
Chuck E. Jesus
he's getting the sounds he wanted to get, more power to him...
Funky40
doctorvague wrote:
drewtoothpaste wrote:
The... The most perfect sine wave... A single tear falls on an analog module.


Drew gets my vote for post of the week.
hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi hihi

.

drews post was pure destructivity respectivly stupidness.
Just bringing old storys up that have nothing to do with this thread here.


I never saw one detsructive post from argitoth, in contrary to many of you Guys, inclouding muff himself.
yes, THAT old thread i mean.

all the work i saw from argitoth speaked the language that he is a guy that is doing things with love.
you guys should learn..........................

delete me somebody if you like
Rage!



Rage!




Rage!
sandyb
yup. being banned (fyi it wasn't just for "that" thread) and then coming back with a different account is really honest and ok in my book. hmmm.....
parasitk
Drew's post has everything to do with this thread. This is the same child that was banned here and was largely responible for the exodus from modularsynth.net. very frustrating
Tronketz
Hey guys. I understand my wrongdoings of the past and I learned my lesson. I feel that I have something to offer to this forum. I want to prove that I'm only here to share my experience constructively and get feedback. No more uncalled opinions, no more bashing of any kind. Muff is free to ban me again and after that I'll be gone for good.

thumbs up
sandyb
then imho you should have contacted muff, explained as you have above and asked him if you could start a new account. not, dishonestly, start a new account and hope that you didn't get found out. your actions make me wonder if leopards really can change their spots.

:no thumbs up:
TrashWaveform
Well I will respect all the vets views on this because I wasn't here when whatever drama went down. But I don't think he is trying to come into the Kingdom of Muff hiding in a trojan supersaw. But then again, a trojan horse fooled a couple people and some really unfun stuff went down. A lot of talented actors died. Something like that. The movie Troy is all a blur to me now. I am going to give it another view and check back on this thread later.
parasitk
Tronketz wrote:
Hey guys. I understand my wrongdoings of the past and I learned my lesson. I feel that I have something to offer to this forum. I want to prove that I'm only here to share my experience constructively and get feedback. No more uncalled opinions, no more bashing of any kind. Muff is free to ban me again and after that I'll be gone for good.

thumbs up


Okay, I give you kudos for admitting this. I hope what you say is true. I also agree with Sandy about being up front about your return. screaming goo yo
MyPasswordIs123456
TrashWaveform wrote:
But I don't think he is trying to come into the Kingdom of Muff hiding in a trojan supersaw.


I clicked on the link for the MP3 files and when I checked my Visa account this week I had a 99.99$ charge from Analog Supersaw Factory. sad banana
chinard
MyPasswordIs123456


damnit.. i have the same combination on my luggage very frustrating
Chuck E. Jesus
sandyb wrote:

:no thumbs up:
lol
Funky40
parasitk wrote:
Drew's post has everything to do with this thread.

This is the same child that was banned here and was largely responible for the exodus from modularsynth.net. very frustrating

thats absolutely not true, sorry.
Modularsynth.net was deadbabbled by some few folks that were posting in every thread.
it became unreadable.
Especially one person had nothing to contribute to the modularcommunity than babbling.
and he was in EVERY therad very present.
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