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MATHS retrigger job

Post by Mr White » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:38 am

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how could you get MATHS to retrigger/loop/cycle like M10?

goal is to make it retrigger as long as a gate lasts high.
I would be happy to avoid spilling that liter of blood for a CTG-VC so please shoot any patching suggestion guys! :help:

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Post by Yohda » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:10 am

You need a VCA and a mixer : send the Trigger of your keyboard to one input of the mixer, the mixer output to the Trigger In of the Maths.

Then send the EOC to the VCA Input, the VCA output in the 2nd input of the mixer and the Gate from your keyboard to the VCA CV In.

I think this will work for any envelop with EOC.

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Post by golana » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:36 am

Cool question.

Cool answer!

But with a basic midi-cv interface [I'm using either dark-energy or bass-station for that] I don't have any separate trigger when a note is played, only cv and gate.
So I assume I'd have to generate a trigger out of the gate signal, maybe with a very short envelope?
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Post by Yohda » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:04 am

Salut Golona!
So I assume I'd have to generate a trigger out of the gate signal, maybe with a very short envelope?
Yes, I think that might do the trick.

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Post by Mr White » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:12 am

what that fuck Yohda, it works!

respect for ya my friend!

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Post by Yohda » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:23 am

Cool!

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Post by Mr White » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:17 am

I used an EG to generate the trig, works fine.

I'm surprised to have'nt catched the wiring at first, so simple that I'd missed the VCA need totally..

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Post by rechner7 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:05 am

what about doepfers logic module? gate AND EOC in a logic sense might work?

edit: hmmm - another try - this should work:
VCA = AND
MIXER = OR

ie.
1st logic unit: keyboard gate AND EOC
2nd logic unit: keyboard trigger OR 'AND output of unit one' -> maths input

ps: i am waiting for the maths :cloud:
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Re: MATHS retrigger job

Post by makenoise » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:26 pm

Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:spinning off from another thread for our own pleasure...

how could you get MATHS to retrigger/loop/cycle like M10?
Yohda's example is perfect.

Here is another similar patch that does not use a VCA.

Set MATHS to cycle, apply Gate signal to MATHS CH. 2, patch CH. 2 OUT to MATHS Signal IN (same channel that is cycling).

MATHS will cycle UNTIL a Gate is applied, at which point it will set (like an offset) at the level determined by the CH. 2 attenuator (must be set to at least NOON, so no inversion).

It is a fun patch for controlling modulation.
If you only need a squared output (for clocking or triggering another envelope generator), then you do not even need the CH. 2 portion of the patch, just apply the gate directly to the Signal IN.

Cheers,

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Post by Navs » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:40 pm

Great patch 8_)

Is there a way to get Maths to generate bursts/ trills like the M10/ CTG-VC?

In the above example Maths loops when gated, but I often use my M10, and now CTG-VC, for the effect you can hear in the second part of this recording.

Is this possible with Maths?

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Post by Mr White » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:09 pm

Navs wrote:Great patch 8_)

Is there a way to get Maths to generate bursts/ trills like the M10/ CTG-VC?

In the above example Maths loops when gated, but I often use my M10, and now CTG-VC, for the effect you can hear in the second part of this recording.

Is this possible with Maths?
I hope so...

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Post by makenoise » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:11 pm

Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:
Navs wrote:Great patch 8_)

Is there a way to get Maths to generate bursts/ trills like the M10/ CTG-VC?

In the above example Maths loops when gated, but I often use my M10, and now CTG-VC, for the effect you can hear in the second part of this recording.

Is this possible with Maths?
I hope so...
I hear alot of great things in that audio clip. What is the patch you use to achieve the "trills."

Tony

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Re: MATHS retrigger job

Post by Mr White » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:30 pm

makenoise wrote:
Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:spinning off from another thread for our own pleasure...

how could you get MATHS to retrigger/loop/cycle like M10?
Yohda's example is perfect.

Here is another similar patch that does not use a VCA.

Set MATHS to cycle, apply Gate signal to MATHS CH. 2, patch CH. 2 OUT to MATHS Signal IN (same channel that is cycling).

MATHS will cycle UNTIL a Gate is applied, at which point it will set (like an offset) at the level determined by the CH. 2 attenuator (must be set to at least NOON, so no inversion).

It is a fun patch for controlling modulation.
If you only need a squared output (for clocking or triggering another envelope generator), then you do not even need the CH. 2 portion of the patch, just apply the gate directly to the Signal IN.

Cheers,

Tony
coolness for using maths alone Tony, that's what I was searching for! :hail:
but I get a little bleed due to the needed "almost noon" ch2...

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Re: MATHS retrigger job

Post by makenoise » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:09 pm

Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:
makenoise wrote:
Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:spinning off from another thread for our own pleasure...

how could you get MATHS to retrigger/loop/cycle like M10?
Yohda's example is perfect.

Here is another similar patch that does not use a VCA.

Set MATHS to cycle, apply Gate signal to MATHS CH. 2, patch CH. 2 OUT to MATHS Signal IN (same channel that is cycling).

MATHS will cycle UNTIL a Gate is applied, at which point it will set (like an offset) at the level determined by the CH. 2 attenuator (must be set to at least NOON, so no inversion).

It is a fun patch for controlling modulation.
If you only need a squared output (for clocking or triggering another envelope generator), then you do not even need the CH. 2 portion of the patch, just apply the gate directly to the Signal IN.

Cheers,

Tony
coolness for using maths alone Tony, that's what I was searching for! :hail:
but I get a little bleed due to the needed "almost noon" ch2...

If you skip CH. 2 portion of the patch, and instead use CH. 1 and 4 you will get alot more flexibility AND no offset when the cycling is stopped.

Set MATHS CH. 1 to cycle, apply Gate signal to MATHS Signal IN (same channel that is cycling).

MATHS will cycle UNTIL a Gate is applied.

Patch MATHS EOR to Trigger IN MATHS CH. 4.
Set CH. 1 for rate of repeat, set CH. 4 for slope of the generated function, keeping in mind that if the Rise or Fall times are longer then the rate of repeats, then you will get either skipped triggers or retriggers.

Take output from CH. 4

A good variation of this patch:
If you set CH. 1 to NOT Cycle, then you will have a delayed Envelope Generator. Use CH. 4 Trigger IN for AR, or Signal IN for ASR.

Tony

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Post by Navs » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:21 pm

makenoise wrote:
Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:
Navs wrote:Great patch 8_)

Is there a way to get Maths to generate bursts/ trills like the M10/ CTG-VC?

In the above example Maths loops when gated, but I often use my M10, and now CTG-VC, for the effect you can hear in the second part of this recording.

Is this possible with Maths?
I hope so...
I hear alot of great things in that audio clip. What is the patch you use to achieve the "trills."

Tony
Well, bugger me ... it works! :hyper:

Chianti Trills

The trick is to use channel 4 i.e. the EOCycle rather than EORise.

As per Yohda's suggestion I used a mixer/ VCA, but I think Rechner7 is right: a logic module would be better: when I lengthen the decay time in the example, you can hear some 'flamming' where the gates overlap.

The patch is simple: an LFO clocks a sequencer and A-160/161 clk div/ seq. The main gate is sent to channel one of a VCA-4MX and the EOC to channel two. This is gated by the division output of your choice from the A-160/161 combo.

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Post by Navs » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:51 pm

Or, you can add a Wogglebug into the mix to CV Maths' 'both' input, transpose the sequence and use its burst out to generate random trills:

Pills, Trills & Wogglecake :bug:

I think you can guess what tomorrow's Patch of the Day is going to be ;)

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Post by dkcg » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:23 pm

Navs wrote:Or, you can add a Wogglebug into the mix to CV Maths' 'both' input, transpose the sequence and use its burst out to generate random trills:

Pills, Trills & Wogglecake :bug:

I think you can guess what tomorrow's Patch of the Day is going to be ;)
Sweet patch!

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Post by Human Koala » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:59 pm

knowledge dropped in this thread :hail:

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Post by Navs » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:01 am

dkcg wrote:Sweet patch!
Thanks! I imagine this patch would sound barmy with a 4MS RCD ...

... don't you have one of those? ;)

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Post by rechner7 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:00 am

as always: great demo :tu:

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Post by Mr White » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:01 am

Navs wrote:Or, you can add a Wogglebug into the mix to CV Maths' 'both' input, transpose the sequence and use its burst out to generate random trills:

Pills, Trills & Wogglecake :bug:

I think you can guess what tomorrow's Patch of the Day is going to be ;)
hey navs, this patch is exactly what makes my ass bleed! cant wait to go home to try that chianti thrills!

tanks Tony for the precious suggestion & of course this AWESOMNESS of module maths is! :hail: :hail: :hail: :omg: :omg: :omg:

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Post by Mr White » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:34 am

great job navs!

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Post by Navs » Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:39 am

Mr White (Mr Yellow) wrote:great job navs!
No problem - I'm totally chuffed myself that it works!

BTW just tried the patch with my VCS ... :tu:

Also, I replaced the VCA-4MX with an A-134-2 VC XFader in the patch.
This helps to tidy up the flamming somewhat, as the main gate is 'pushed out of the way' when you want the EOC pulse to take priority.

Has anyone tried this with an AND gate to hear if it is 'cleaner'?

Thanks for starting the thread and for the tips from Yohda, Tony & Rechner7!

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Post by Mr White » Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:45 am

thanks to you for the support!

I'm tangling into patching a bit much now, but I'm still having some problems, gate looks inverted here, and I'm not able to get it working as it should with Tony's suggestion...

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Post by anselmi » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:27 pm

:yay:

Navs I love your demos! the thrill thing is something I´m looking for

thank you and mr. white for initiate the thread

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