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Which Euro envelopes sound like Roland (System 100)?
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Author Which Euro envelopes sound like Roland (System 100)?
Entrainer
Inspired by the filter thread, I thought I'd ask a question that's been causing slight loss of sleep and rapid browsing of the internets...

I'm looking for a great envelope to round out my system. I'm kind of particular, in that I really, really love the round sound of the System 100's envelope.

I read online that the MFB Dual ADSR is more angular than the Roland.

I'm thinking that the Cwejman CTG-VC may be the a good choice because of the adjustable decay slope.

It's a pretty expensive experiment though. Has anyone used the CTG-VC? Any other options?

thx-
Scaff
Cwejman ADSR-VC2 is the solution for this job! SlayerBadger!
chinard
I know that the Analogue Solutions EG-02 is directly based on the System 100 M-140 module (2ENV-LFO).
I am pretty sure that the EG-01 and Vostok envelope are also based on the same schematics. seriously, i just don't get it

Personaly i didnt really like the envelopes on the EG-02 that much, ended up getting far better use out of my Cwejman ADSR-VC2.
Entrainer
Two votes for the ADSR-VC2. Looks like a "better" bargain than the CTG-VC... two envelopes for the price of one.

Chinard-

The dissing of the EG-02 has made you fair game. You have been designated a SP. Please report to your auditor for ethics check.
chinard
huh?


EDIT: ok i get it now MY ASS IS BLEEDING
(its a scientology joke)
stretta
If you're looking for the percussive arpeggiator sound of the Jupiter 4 or Jupiter 8, the ADSR-VC2 brings it.

I wouldn't want it as my *only* envelope, but it does the short end of the spectrum better than anything else I've used.
Navs
I love my ADSR-VC2 but, if I understand you right, you actually want something sluggish and not so snappy.

Try Doepfer's A-141 (hides) reminds me a lot of the envelopes on my Rolands.

Edit: what am I thinking of? Get the CTG-VC. It's fantastic.

@Stretta: your Cwejman videos were what turned me on to the ADSR-VC2, thanks! I know you have often referred to the fact that they are extremely percussive. At some stage, Wowa revised ADSR-VC2. This affected the maximum manual time and changed the VC to summing inputs. If you have a rev.1 (copper back-plate, coloured rather than clear/ bright LEDs), I think this can be changed.
Monobass
Are there any Euro envelopes other than Cwejman CTG-CV which let you hold the peak of the attack before going to the decay section?
stretta
Navs wrote:
At some stage, Wowa revised ADSR-VC2. This affected the maximum manual time and changed the VC to summing inputs. If you have a rev.1 (copper back-plate, coloured rather than clear/ bright LEDs), I think this can be changed.


Really? WANT! All of the above!
baboo
funtykigs wrote:
Are there any Euro envelopes other than Cwejman CTG-CV which let you hold the peak of the attack before going to the decay section?


MFB dual adsr has a hold phase between attack and decay if that is what you are asking
Soundwave
by the way, i'm waiting since 4 months for a Cwejman ADSR-VC2 ... sad banana
Mr White
yeah, ADSR2-vc sounds delightfully dynamic!
maybe similar to the system 100
Karl Jeffers
Imo the envelopes of the system 100 are the weak point of the synth. They are not realy snappy and dynamic at all. I have 2x (101+102)

I do have RS60 and A-143-2 envelopes. I use them all the time together with my system 100 instead of the internal envelopes.

If you want less snappy envelopes, turn up the attack a bit.
Navs
Karl Jeffers wrote:
Imo the envelopes of the system 100 ... are not realy snappy and dynamic at all.


My point exactly.

If you want 'vintage' or 'fat', you want a soft, rounded envelope.
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