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bsmith Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: Newb looking for 'Patching for dummies' kind of thing |
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This is embarrassing to ask, but is there some kind of hand-holding how-to patch modular synths kind of reference or site or something? I think I've kind of come to a good intermediate-ish place with subtractive synthesis and am having fun with it, but have been getting stumped on what seem like should be simple stuff like - where should I patch velocity to (seems like it vca, or envelope or a combo, but I can't get it happening) or getting a trigger to Just Work restarting an envelope when I haven't released a key before hitting the next one. The CV stuff - I realize I should just look at it as a logic flow - and try to - but sometimes simple problems have non-obvious answers for me. Plenty of good reference out there on synthesis, not a lot of general help on patching modular pieces together that I've found yet.
By the way, I'm just learning all this with a kraftzwerg, and have mostly been using a cp-251 and other doodads with it. I do like the kraftzwerg alot, but kind of see how making it easier by normalizing vco - vcf - eg - vca kind of gets in the way of learning a little bit - almost wish that patching every single thing was required of me just from an 'I grok this' angle.
Looking forward to getting a rack towards the end of the month. This is as much fun as I've had in a while, and totally appreciate this site. |
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Babaluma Manual Gain Rider
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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i made a post on the WOMB forum about a year ago, listing all the online docs i could find relating to synthesis, should be something here helpful:
http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=12273
| Quote: | i can probably answer anything you have specific questions about. there's quite a lot of info on my modular synth in this thread on the womb:
http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=473
also, there are loads of great web sources available for free. for starters try the sound on sound magazine "synth secrets" series, available here:
http://www.soundonsound.com/search?url=%2Fsearch&Keyword=%22synth+secr ets%22&Words=All&Summary=Yes
or the clavia nord lead manual here (relates to all synths though):
http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nm_book_toc.html
also, you can find copies of the serge gold book:
http://www.carbon111.com/sergebook.zip
and the arp 2600 manual online for free:
http://www.guitarfool.com/ARP2600.html
sam ecoff also has some great free tutorials here:
http://www.samecoff.com/works.html#Tex
the buchla music easel manual is also a great read:
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/buchla/PaMtEO.zip
if you're really hard core you'll hunt down a copy of allen strange's "electronic music: systems, techniques, controls" which is by far the best text i have ever come across dealing with modular synthesis. if you can't find an old hard copy you can download a .pdf from the publishers for about $15 here:
https://ebooks.primisonline.com/cgi/showebook.cgi?isbn=0390684635
another great reference which you'll probably only find second hand is the the roland "the synthesizer" boxed set of four books.
digisound modular synthesis manual here:
http://www.digisound80.co.uk/digisound/other_documents/files/Guide_to_ Synthesis.pdf
thing is, all these manuals are also great courses on subtractive synthesis itself.
another great online resource here:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/Proto/Index.htm
and if none of these answer your questions, then ask over on www.muffwiggler.com where you'll get a hundred different answers to your question.
and whilst all these texts will give you a firm basis in the theory, nothing beats twisting those knobs and hearing what they do!
and even if your synth is modern and digital (or a hardware sampler), all the old subtractive stuff is usually still the basis for the synth engine, so it's all still relevant.
hope that helped! |
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bsmith Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the list, more reference good.
I figured out that by sending a negative trigger down the gate signal that restarting the envelope with a key without releasing another key thing happens, and I understand why. Patching for velocity is still kicking my butt, and man I need dynamics. I'd think that just patching velocity to the kw vca's CV should work, but it ain't happening - weird behaviour ensues. Am almost thinking this may be an interface thing.
*edit* and it was, I just needed to drop the voltage way down on velocity i n silent way.
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nice list  |
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Dang- Yes, make this a sticky! _________________ [WTB] Buchla 266r version 1 front panel |
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Babaluma, I was just pointing out the mistake - its about the Nord Modular not the Nord Lead. _________________ www.cylonix.com |
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| Thanks for this really useful post. it's a charms for a newcomer to modular synthesis as me |
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| bsmith wrote: | Patching for velocity is still kicking my butt, and man I need dynamics. I'd think that just patching velocity to the kw vca's CV should work, but it ain't happening - weird behaviour ensues. Am almost thinking this may be an interface thing.
*edit* and it was, I just needed to drop the voltage way down on velocity i n silent way. |
Generally, but not necessarily you need to give velocity it's own VCA to work with for each parameter you want to give a dynamic effect to. So for instance you could feed an envelope through and get a velocity adjusts envelope amount effect. Or just have it control audio amplitude using the VCA, though that's not that exciting.
Without an extra VCA an easy patch that comes to mind is you can use an attenuated velocity to open the filter a bit more. You'd lower your cutoff to start so a low velocity will have a lower cutoff than before the patch was originally.
Finally you could invert the velocity for say a shorter attack with an envelope with VC.
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These are all great suggestions, thanks! As soon as they become available I'll be ordering a doepfer a132-3 and I'll be able do the amplitude thing with my non kraftzwerg modules without having to patch over to it, and just have so much more vca flexibility.
Unrelated - I wish that ignore button wasn't right next to the quote button, I've bonked clicking the wrong one a few times now.
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Generally, but not necessarily you need to give velocity it's own VCA to work with for each parameter you want to give a dynamic effect to. So for instance you could feed an envelope through and get a velocity adjusts envelope amount effect. Or just have it control audio amplitude using the VCA, though that's not that exciting.
Without an extra VCA an easy patch that comes to mind is you can use an attenuated velocity to open the filter a bit more. You'd lower your cutoff to start so a low velocity will have a lower cutoff than before the patch was originally.
Finally you could invert the velocity for say a shorter attack with an envelope with VC.
All these suggestions may need an attenuator if you are getting too wide a range of CV from velocity |
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | if you're really hard core you'll hunt down a copy of allen strange's "electronic music: systems, techniques, controls" which is by far the best text i have ever come across dealing with modular synthesis. if you can't find an old hard copy you can download a .pdf from the publishers for about $15 here:
https://ebooks.primisonline.com/cgi/showebook.cgi?isbn=0390684635 |
I "found" a pdf version of this book and got a bound copy printed at Kinko's. Cost about $30 for the printing.
Well worth it. Amazing reference manual for all types of modular synthesis. |
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Babaluma Manual Gain Rider
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nice to know some of that $30 went to help out allen's widow.
do i have to resort to guilt tripping people every time someone posts about how great it is to steal copyrighted material?
sorry, nothing personal, just evokes my ire!
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Actually, I did buy the book from McGraw-Hill's website. (I can email you the receipt to prove it )
Digital editions are annoying to say the least. When I realized I couldn't print it via online uploading, I found the pdf so I could get a version that was printable.
I can honestly say I've never pirated music (which I am obnoxiously proud of), but when it comes to e-books and movies, these DRM restrictions are making legal copies far too inflexible to be worth the cost. I often find myself paying for materials and then having to subsequently pirate a version to do what I need to do with the files. This is probably a topic for another thread...
Anyway, I can happily say a portion of my $15 went to Allen's widow. In retrospect, I should have mentioned this in the original post. |
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Babaluma Manual Gain Rider
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:49 am Post subject: |
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well it's certainly nice to hear that!
i also did the same as you (bought the official version but use the "free" version for reading and printing). i have a hard copy from mcgraw hill too, but it's falling apart it's so well used! _________________ Hermetech Mastering | Discogs | SoundCloud | Bandcamp | Facebook | Pathmusick |
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for this amazing list!.
I'm really into doepfer. |
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