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bsmith
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Newb looking for 'Patching for dummies' kind of thing Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This is embarrassing to ask, but is there some kind of hand-holding how-to patch modular synths kind of reference or site or something? I think I've kind of come to a good intermediate-ish place with subtractive synthesis and am having fun with it, but have been getting stumped on what seem like should be simple stuff like - where should I patch velocity to (seems like it vca, or envelope or a combo, but I can't get it happening) or getting a trigger to Just Work restarting an envelope when I haven't released a key before hitting the next one. The CV stuff - I realize I should just look at it as a logic flow - and try to - but sometimes simple problems have non-obvious answers for me. Plenty of good reference out there on synthesis, not a lot of general help on patching modular pieces together that I've found yet.
By the way, I'm just learning all this with a kraftzwerg, and have mostly been using a cp-251 and other doodads with it. I do like the kraftzwerg alot, but kind of see how making it easier by normalizing vco - vcf - eg - vca kind of gets in the way of learning a little bit - almost wish that patching every single thing was required of me just from an 'I grok this' angle.
Looking forward to getting a rack towards the end of the month. This is as much fun as I've had in a while, and totally appreciate this site.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i made a post on the WOMB forum about a year ago, listing all the online docs i could find relating to synthesis, should be something here helpful:

http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=12273

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i can probably answer anything you have specific questions about. there's quite a lot of info on my modular synth in this thread on the womb:

http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=473

also, there are loads of great web sources available for free. for starters try the sound on sound magazine "synth secrets" series, available here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/search?url=%2Fsearch&Keyword=%22synth+secr ets%22&Words=All&Summary=Yes

or the clavia nord lead manual here (relates to all synths though):

http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nm_book_toc.html

also, you can find copies of the serge gold book:

http://www.carbon111.com/sergebook.zip

and the arp 2600 manual online for free:

http://www.guitarfool.com/ARP2600.html

sam ecoff also has some great free tutorials here:

http://www.samecoff.com/works.html#Tex

the buchla music easel manual is also a great read:

http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/buchla/PaMtEO.zip

if you're really hard core you'll hunt down a copy of allen strange's "electronic music: systems, techniques, controls" which is by far the best text i have ever come across dealing with modular synthesis. if you can't find an old hard copy you can download a .pdf from the publishers for about $15 here:

https://ebooks.primisonline.com/cgi/showebook.cgi?isbn=0390684635

another great reference which you'll probably only find second hand is the the roland "the synthesizer" boxed set of four books.

digisound modular synthesis manual here:

http://www.digisound80.co.uk/digisound/other_documents/files/Guide_to_ Synthesis.pdf

thing is, all these manuals are also great courses on subtractive synthesis itself.

another great online resource here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/Proto/Index.htm

and if none of these answer your questions, then ask over on www.muffwiggler.com where you'll get a hundred different answers to your question. wink

and whilst all these texts will give you a firm basis in the theory, nothing beats twisting those knobs and hearing what they do!

and even if your synth is modern and digital (or a hardware sampler), all the old subtractive stuff is usually still the basis for the synth engine, so it's all still relevant.

hope that helped!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for the list, more reference good.
I figured out that by sending a negative trigger down the gate signal that restarting the envelope with a key without releasing another key thing happens, and I understand why. Patching for velocity is still kicking my butt, and man I need dynamics. I'd think that just patching velocity to the kw vca's CV should work, but it ain't happening - weird behaviour ensues. Am almost thinking this may be an interface thing.
*edit* and it was, I just needed to drop the voltage way down on velocity i n silent way.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

http://www.angelfire.com/music2/theanalogcottage/patch.htm

thats pretty good all around...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget the emu ... thumbs up

http://www.emulatorarchive.com/Manuals/manuals.html
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

nice list thumbs up
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Dang- Yes, make this a sticky!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

or the clavia nord lead manual here (relates to all synths though):

http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nm_book_toc.html


An excellent manual :-) but it's about the Nord Modular, not the Nord Lead...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjclark wrote:
or the clavia nord lead manual here (relates to all synths though):

http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/nordmodularbook/nm_book_toc.html


An excellent manual :-) but it's about the Nord Modular, not the Nord Lead...


already posted above! Haha!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma, I was just pointing out the mistake - its about the Nord Modular not the Nord Lead.
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