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Author NI releases Reaktor 6
beedeesmith
Native Instruments has released Reaktor 6.
Zon
The blocks look very interesting, nice design.
ben jah men
So cool that this made it to release without any hype.

It looks absolutely incredible. All the updates seem to make total sense. Lets see how people respond that are higher level programmers than I.

I'm not thrilled that they are saying I will need to update OS X to 10.9... I just rolled back to 10.8.5 a few months ago hoping to gain better performance due to having an older machine.

I'm going for it though, this is the "Reaktor" I have always wanted.. Basically what I've been waiting for. Well.. Time will tell!
soup
Smais
For some reason Live doesn't see the VST even though it is in the folder. Any ideas?

*sorted: I had to switch to 64bit, reaktor 6 doesnt do 32bit
jabs
Komplete 11 incoming soon? I'm kinda holding out for that, depending what else is getting exciting updates.
timoka


hm---let's see, final out from dpo into an output from the doepfer sequencer...
es-3 without connection...optomix without input...
ah well, nevermind, it is just for decoration
radiokoala
lol Well I guess if there was a competition 'win $1000 by answering what's wrong with this photo' for edm crowd/public they tried to appeal to with choice of sounds in their trailer... NI could feel safe about their thousand. Miley Cyrus




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...upd. Also look at the screen: now Reaktor has some metasonix! meh twisted
timoka
hehe, yes. ^
ah well, i've waited soooo long for this reaktor 6 and now i couldn't care less. and why do these new and fancy software products always have to look like some kind of plastic toys?? anyway, i will update and have a look into these new edm building blocks!
yghartsyrt
I'm incredibly underwhelmed.
Sure it's cheaper now. It has a lot of core stuff that new and a new interface and this blocks thing, which does audio-rate modulation. But compared to Max 7 this looks kind of lame.
Plus - no new ensembles is really bizarre.
Is there a demo somewhere? I couldn't find one
analogue01
(ignore)
ignatius
people are saying the "blocks" sound really great.

i'll probably wait to see if they roll reaktor6 into next komplete version.. not really sure i need anything else in komplete though.. haven't updated that in a long while. depends what else they add/update etc.

but $99 is reasonable i guess. (though i'm more curious about whatever Madrona labs does next)

it's still not a nord modular interface wink

but i digress....
radiokoala
Y'know... as an environment it kinda looks more of a creative space than Ableton (which I bought) right now to me. Well yeah, it can't host VSTs – understandably, – but then in a teaser I saw an UI with several sequencers, vcos, drums, or whatever, and it makes sense to me: it's kinda like a table full of gadgets and instant overview of it, comes handy. A usual DAW with all those plugin windows floating around looks clumsy in comparison, or Live again... you can't really see what's going on in your Operator if you e.g have your Drum Rack open... you know?

So that looks really good now.

I think if I had that, first things first I would've programmed a few simple drum synths and arranged them so I have something like volca beats on screen - xox grid, maybe 10 tracks, and then settings for those 10 at the top, each with their own engine... like snare, clap, fm perc... etc kinda thing. Is there anything like that at all in the plugin world? It sucks so much there is like 1,000,000 f**ken compressors, and then delay plugins, but nothing remotely similar to insta hands-on drum machine. Where's all that?? I just would like a single window with built-in sequencer and few parameters per part, so you could jam. I can't even recall anything like that except Sonic Charge uTonic. sad banana
scottmoon
Listened to some of the sample tracks, sounds like a computer. Turned up my modular, no comparison. Meh
chamomileshark
well I personally welcome our new overlords...

it does look interesting and I might actually even create my own stuff with these blocks..

..but like many others I think I'll wait for Komplete 11...I have Komplete 9 and really felt there was no need to go for 10 but add in Reaktor 6, molekular and I'll be there.
thelizard
Bought it, and quite like it. The workflow is great, and... FEEDBACK. It hasn't been this easy to patch feedback in a software module since the Nord Modular. The Blocks that come with it are already quite good, especially the filters.

I'm thinking of resurrecting my Max Euromax project for Reaktor and creating a bunch of Eurorack-emulation Blocks.
AdamJay
Good to hear.
The moment this popped up in my email, I thought hmmm, I may be better off spending the money for a G2 on a faster Mac and the $99 Reaktor upgrade.
Raytracer
thelizard wrote:
Bought it, and quite like it. The workflow is great, and... FEEDBACK. It hasn't been this easy to patch feedback in a software module since the Nord Modular. The Blocks that come with it are already quite good, especially the filters.

I'm thinking of resurrecting my Max Euromax project for Reaktor and creating a bunch of Eurorack-emulation Blocks.


Looks like some thought has been put into the block building side of things as well.

Intro to building using the Blocks Template
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbZH80EJzIc
stk
Looks pretty cool, will probably upgrade.
I quite like the blocks concept (and look). As someone who has spent thousands of hours in Reaktor (and Euro) I'm kind of bored of that world, want more instant gratification for making music so thumbs up
Raytracer
Shame there is no script module. Generative tasks would be much easier.. :(
stk
Raytracer wrote:
Shame there is no script module. Generative tasks would be much easier.. :(


That is a shame. Bunch of (not instant gratification) stuff I want to do involving sequencing would be far more neat & straightforward to do in code rather than visually.
Bacchus
Just thought it would be good to let you guys know that there's been quite a few wigglers involved in the development of Reaktor 6. It was made with love, and it was made with wigglers in mind.

There's a lot of brand new DSP in the Blocks, and a huge amount of time and effort was put into making sure you can abuse them just like you would a real module - everything handles feedback and audio-rate modulation gracefully for example. In my view (admittedly biased), using Blocks is the first time since the original Nord Modular that I've replicated that feeling I get from a real modular in software. There's a whole world of interesting sound in just cross-patching a couple of modules.

Hope everyone enjoys this, and rest assured it's just the beginning wink
soup
AdamJay wrote:
faster Mac


^This^

It's to be expected as my mac isn't remotely new but some of the included collections of blocks are running roughshod over my cpu.

I've only had a quick play but I'm digging it and when weirdo blocks start showing up in the user library ... Dead Banana
Raytracer
stk wrote:
Raytracer wrote:
Shame there is no script module. Generative tasks would be much easier.. :(


That is a shame. Bunch of (not instant gratification) stuff I want to do involving sequencing would be far more neat & straightforward to do in code rather than visually.

Some stuff is sooo much easier in code. I tried making a CV pitch quantiser in Reaktor and couldn't get it to work.
Raytracer
Bacchus wrote:
In my view (admittedly biased), using Blocks is the first time since the original Nord Modular that I've replicated that feeling I get from a real modular in software. There's a whole world of interesting sound in just cross-patching a couple of modules.


It does look promising.
thelizard
Raytracer wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Bought it, and quite like it. The workflow is great, and... FEEDBACK. It hasn't been this easy to patch feedback in a software module since the Nord Modular. The Blocks that come with it are already quite good, especially the filters.

I'm thinking of resurrecting my Max Euromax project for Reaktor and creating a bunch of Eurorack-emulation Blocks.


Looks like some thought has been put into the block building side of things as well.

Intro to building using the Blocks Template
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbZH80EJzIc


Awesome, thanks for the link! That will definitely help get me started.
schemawound
radiokoala wrote:
I think if I had that, first things first I would've programmed a few simple drum synths and arranged them so I have something like volca beats on screen - xox grid, maybe 10 tracks, and then settings for those 10 at the top, each with their own engine... like snare, clap, fm perc... etc kinda thing. Is there anything like that at all in the plugin world?


The two things that come to mind based on your description are Audio Damage Tattoo ( https://www.audiodamage.com/instruments/product.php?pid=AD024 ) and Arturia Spark ( http://www.arturia.com/products/drums/spark )

I've had kinda mixed results with both for various reasons but that's all I can really come up with.
PraxisCat
I have been playing it all night. The blocks thing is fantastic. The "bento" oscillator has TZ FM.

This is easily the best update I can remember to any NI product.

Not everything I want is there, but it's worth every penny of the $99 for the upgrade. I was off and running doing very off the wall stuff almost immediately. It reacts like it should, and it sounds great.

(On a side note, there are some things I like about Oscillot more, but it's great to have both).

I am going to dig in a bit more, but based on initial impressions it's awesome.
ben jah men
I've always wanted a nord modular but never played one. I'm curious how it's UI could be any better than Blocks?
kadhai
Between this and BEAP I might have to get my Silent Way on finally.

Man I want to run sounds from my computer through a low pass gate.
dumbledog
I don't yet have a Eurorack built (and thus am a poseur extraordinare) but when I do get around to making one I'd love a NI module that could bridge between Reaktor and a hardware rack.
PraxisCat
ben jah men wrote:
I've always wanted a nord modular but never played one. I'm curious how it's UI could be any better than Blocks?


The UI of Nord Modular is dated, but it's capabilities were Deep. The reality is the capabilities of NI Reaktor are actually deeper with it being a visual programmer, but it wasn't there yet in terms of modular in previous versions. Now that door has finally opened. I don't think people realize how quickly the blocks thing can expand. Nord modular just has hard core loyalists. So this is going to be a never ending format war type debate. The difference to me though is I would rather have a 64 bit thing I can use on a modern OS and Native plugin in a well supported software package that I can do some creation for via a visual programmer, than something that is no longer supported and can no longer be used with a modern OS.

Some people though have very strong sentimental feelings for their hardware, and that's understandable. But that's the thing, I have hardware modular synthesizers. Nord modular shows the risk that is there with expensive hardware-software hybrids. It is why I do my best to avoid them.
ignatius
PraxisCat wrote:
ben jah men wrote:
I've always wanted a nord modular but never played one. I'm curious how it's UI could be any better than Blocks?


The UI of Nord Modular is dated, but it's capabilities were Deep. The reality is the capabilities of NI Reaktor are actually deeper with it being a visual programmer, but it wasn't there yet in terms of modular in previous versions. Now that door has finally opened. I don't think people realize how quickly the blocks thing can expand. Nord modular just has hard core loyalists. So this is going to be a never ending format war type debate. The difference to me though is I would rather have a 64 bit thing I can use on a modern OS and Native plugin in a well supported software package that I can do some creation for via a visual programmer, than something that is no longer supported and can no longer be used with a modern OS.

Some people though have very strong sentimental feelings for their hardware, and that's understandable. But that's the thing, I have hardware modular synthesizers.


Bird modular editor runs fin on modern OS X. But as I always I say "both"
Manzanedo
My question has been answered: Will I see Reaktor 6 or a new Tool album first? Either way, I am excited.
ignatius
reaktor is really powerful and so many tools exist that are built with it. i'm stoked for reaktor 6.. just going to wait for next komplete update.. don't want to pay for reaktor update twice. hmmm.....

if next go round of komplete doesn't come after the holidays some time then perhaps i'll jump on R6.. it's not like i need all the jibba jabba in komplete anyways.
thelizard
Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.
Raytracer
thelizard wrote:
Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.

How hard was it to make a barebones interface?
thelizard
Raytracer wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.

How hard was it to make a barebones interface?


Honestly, way harder than it should've been. They posted a useful repository of Blocks parts here: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8705/

It's not too hard to copy-paste the controls that you want and plug them together in Core. However, dragging the elements around and trying to get them to have the alignment you want is hugely problematic. For instance, the pre-built knobs don't group together unless you put a frame around them. Turning off the frame changes the positioning. Editing labels in these pre-built control sets is a structure-diving nightmare. For instance, the radio label buttons are about five or six layers in, and you have to edit two separate labels that are on different layers from each other. I'm really hoping that they tackle these annoyances before anything else.

That being said, I'm very impressed at how much easier the Core aspect is compared to R5. The Quick Buses and bundles make things a lot cleaner.
listentoaheartbeat
Bacchus wrote:
Just thought it would be good to let you guys know that there's been quite a few wigglers involved in the development of Reaktor 6. It was made with love, and it was made with wigglers in mind.

There's a lot of brand new DSP in the Blocks, and a huge amount of time and effort was put into making sure you can abuse them just like you would a real module - everything handles feedback and audio-rate modulation gracefully for example. In my view (admittedly biased), using Blocks is the first time since the original Nord Modular that I've replicated that feeling I get from a real modular in software. There's a whole world of interesting sound in just cross-patching a couple of modules.

Hope everyone enjoys this, and rest assured it's just the beginning wink


Word! We are here and listening. In my case, especially feedback re: documentation would be interesting. smile
timoka
so i played with it a few hours and tried to understand the block principle...and then tried to convert some of my own little ensembles to this new block based thing....it is quite hard, i need more time with it. but one thing that i can definitely say is that the new filter designs are really really good sounding!!
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8713/


Nice one! Here's a quick and dirty drone machine based on your Logic Mix:

https://www.native-instruments.com/community/reaktor-user-library/entr y/show/8715/
ben jah men
thelizard wrote:
Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8713/

Logic Mix was inspired by Intellijel's uMod 2 and Shapeshifter. I hope that someone finds it to be useful. I'm hoping to make a lot more of these. The visual editing aspect of the Blocks needs a *ton* of work, though. Dragging elements around is way harder than it should be. Until they fix that, my stuff will have barebones interfaces.


Awesome!

Did NI make a proper wave shaper? The first person to start implementing west coast modules is my hero...
PraxisCat
Bacchus wrote:
Just thought it would be good to let you guys know that there's been quite a few wigglers involved in the development of Reaktor 6. It was made with love, and it was made with wigglers in mind.

There's a lot of brand new DSP in the Blocks, and a huge amount of time and effort was put into making sure you can abuse them just like you would a real module - everything handles feedback and audio-rate modulation gracefully for example. In my view (admittedly biased), using Blocks is the first time since the original Nord Modular that I've replicated that feeling I get from a real modular in software. There's a whole world of interesting sound in just cross-patching a couple of modules.

Hope everyone enjoys this, and rest assured it's just the beginning wink


From playing with it last night, I noticed this. I am looking forward to creating some additional blocks. Again reading into the user creation library, it makes me tempted to develop some things. Also props for having davies style knobs in the UI templates. I am going through this more and more, may even attempt to create some blocks this week to fill in some immediate gaps (ring modulator to start since the concept is easy to pull off in a visual programmer like reaktor).
fac
For someone who has a large MU-format modular, a small 9U eurorack, an expanded Nord G2, a micromodular, Audiomulch and VAZ Modular, and little time to use either of them, does it make any sense to grab Reaktor 6 or Max 7?

hihi

WTF am I thinking?
dumbledog
Does it matter? You're going to buy it anyway.
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8713/


Nice one! Here's a quick and dirty drone machine based on your Logic Mix:

https://www.native-instruments.com/community/reaktor-user-library/entr y/show/8715/


Awesome, thanks! I'm very excited for Blocks development to accelerate.

As a heads up, I've updated the Logic Mix Block to 1.1. It now has individual outputs for each logic type, along with the switched output.
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Woo! Posted one of the first blocks onto the library.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8713/


Nice one! Here's a quick and dirty drone machine based on your Logic Mix:

https://www.native-instruments.com/community/reaktor-user-library/entr y/show/8715/


Awesome, thanks! I'm very excited for Blocks development to accelerate.

As a heads up, I've updated the Logic Mix Block to 1.1. It now has individual outputs for each logic type, along with the switched output.


Yep, already noticed this and updated my patch. Cool addition! Featured on FB now. smile

https://www.facebook.com/nikomplete/photos/a.119562814762046.20193.102 125729839088/1027507663967552/?type=1&theater
thelizard
Had some more free time today. Finished an awesome-sounding Frequency Shifter:

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/e ntry/show/8719/

Edit: If you already downloaded it before this edit, download it again! The 1.1 update has two different shifters, each with different types of feedback and FM response.
Kummer
ignatius wrote:
reaktor is really powerful and so many tools exist that are built with it. i'm stoked for reaktor 6.. just going to wait for next komplete update.. don't want to pay for reaktor update twice. hmmm.....

if next go round of komplete doesn't come after the holidays some time then perhaps i'll jump on R6.. it's not like i need all the jibba jabba in komplete anyways.


exactly. My Komplete update is scheduled for Summer of next year when it's like half off for the Komplete ultimate update.

I have a crazy amount of things including a hardware modular synthesizer that I can use to make music with in the meantime
Beni Shoga
This look great, but I think I'm going to hold out for Komplete; I've been waiting years for this update to Reaktor, but I've got my fingers crossed for FM9.
extra testicle
does cpu use come into effect when connecting or when modules are added? do different types of modulations change cpu use? these are monophonic only right?

seems like patch matrix module would be nice.
Upright
Word is that NI is going to release some sort of module to interface with blocks and Euro....thinking along the lines of the Roland stuff. This could get very interesting.
dumbledog
They'd be insane not to do so, or not to contract out w/ someone like Expert Sleepers to do so.
secretkillerofnames
thelizard wrote:


I'm thinking of resurrecting my Max Euromax project for Reaktor and creating a bunch of Eurorack-emulation Blocks.


Please do. I haven't had any luck putting the old ones or ampere macros into blocks yet but I also haven't had much time.
Upright
Got Reaktor 6 up and running last night- The Blocks framework sounds incredible. I also had no problem running LFO's from Blocks to my hardware euro system. My next task is to get pitch CV from Blocks to my euro, once I do that I'll be off and running in a major way. grin
phonodyne
Are you using an Expert Sleepers module for that, Upright?
Upright
No, I just patch the LFO in Reaktor to an output of my Motu 828 MK3 and run a Floating Ring cable fron the Motu directly to my eurorack
bafonso
This thing is looking great. Max missed the boat on this. They could have explored people's desire to code. Had they fleshed out more gen~ and overhauled the design and UI...

Not that I am complaining, reaktor's community is fantastic and within 24h there's already lots of modules for us all to play. There is a good Max gen~ patch for a good LPG emulation, could potentially be ported! I also dream of good west coast-like blocks, my heart's happy synth place.

Coupling to expert sleepers seems obvious... but things like feedback won't work out as well given the latencies.
listentoaheartbeat
Upright wrote:
My next task is to get pitch CV from Blocks to my euro, once I do that I'll be off and running in a major way. grin


The pitch scaling in REAKTOR Blocks works OKish with Expert Sleepers converters right out of the box.

Pitch signals in Blocks are scaled with a value of 0.1/Oct, so since the ES-3 has a max output voltage of roughly ±10V you get approximately 1V/Oct. Obviously it’s not very accurate without calibration - in my case tracking is off roughly one semitone over four octaves.

Here's the bit on Pitch signals from the Blocks Manual (p. 60):

Pitch inputs, which are used to control the frequency of oscillators and filters, scale an input value between 0 and 1 up to a MIDI note value between 0 and 120. A value of 0 equals MIDI note 0, a value of 0.5 equals MIDI note 60, and a value of 1 equals MIDI note 120.

However, this does not mean that you have to use quantized signals to control your oscillators. If you connect an envelope to the Pitch input of an oscillator, the envelope output of 0 to 1 results in a smooth sweep ranging from MIDI note 0 to MIDI note 120 (given that no offset has
been dialed in using the frequency controls of the oscillator).

Using this range allows for convenient scaling and offsetting of pitch signals, since the range from 0 to 1 covers exactly 10 octaves. Similar to the 1 V/Oct-standard as found on contemporary modular synthesizers, you are dealing with a value of 0.1/Oct in REAKTOR Blocks. For instance,
if you want to transpose a pitch signal two octaves up, you have to add an offset of 0.2 (or 20%) to the signal.

Pitch inputs also accept signals lower than -1 and higher than +1, so pitches above and below the specified range can be achieved, too.
Upright
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Upright wrote:
My next task is to get pitch CV from Blocks to my euro, once I do that I'll be off and running in a major way. grin


The pitch scaling in REAKTOR Blocks works OKish with Expert Sleepers converters right out of the box.

Pitch signals in Blocks are scaled with a value of 0.1/Oct, so since the ES-3 has a max output voltage of roughly ±10V you get approximately 1V/Oct. Obviously it’s not very accurate without calibration - in my case tracking is off roughly one semitone over four octaves.

Here's the bit on Pitch signals from the Blocks Manual (p. 60):

Pitch inputs, which are used to control the frequency of oscillators and filters, scale an input value between 0 and 1 up to a MIDI note value between 0 and 120. A value of 0 equals MIDI note 0, a value of 0.5 equals MIDI note 60, and a value of 1 equals MIDI note 120.

However, this does not mean that you have to use quantized signals to control your oscillators. If you connect an envelope to the Pitch input of an oscillator, the envelope output of 0 to 1 results in a smooth sweep ranging from MIDI note 0 to MIDI note 120 (given that no offset has
been dialed in using the frequency controls of the oscillator).

Using this range allows for convenient scaling and offsetting of pitch signals, since the range from 0 to 1 covers exactly 10 octaves. Similar to the 1 V/Oct-standard as found on contemporary modular synthesizers, you are dealing with a value of 0.1/Oct in REAKTOR Blocks. For instance,
if you want to transpose a pitch signal two octaves up, you have to add an offset of 0.2 (or 20%) to the signal.

Pitch inputs also accept signals lower than -1 and higher than +1, so pitches above and below the specified range can be achieved, too.



Excellent info....thank you so much my friend.
rosko
I bought it & really love it, i think they have done a great job. I wish there where more blocks though & more models of modular units, but already some outstanding efforts in the user section. I think the GUI & audio quality is spot on.
Upright
rosko wrote:
I bought it & really love it, i think they have done a great job. I wish there where more blocks though & more models of modular units, but already some outstanding efforts in the user section. I think the GUI & audio quality is spot on.



I've heard Native Instruments have Blocks Bundles coming....so we will see all sorts of modules soon enough.
Entrainer
Upright wrote:

I've heard Native Instruments have Blocks Bundles coming....so we will see all sorts of modules soon enough.


Ah, I see the way this is going.
amnesia
Can you modulate the fine tune in OSC?
Upright
amnesia wrote:
Can you modulate the fine tune in OSC?





Hmmmm I believe so but now that you mention it I don't know....I'll check as soon as I'm home
amnesia
I dont think you can which is a crying shame :-(

I do want to thank everyone for all your input. I decided to get both.

For me

Oscillot Pros = patching on the module faceplate. Seems more like Nord Modular

Reaktor Blocks = sound is better quality but Oscillot sound is great also.

The only thing I still want to know how to do is get my Beat Step Pro or midi keyboard working in Reaktor. I have chosen both in Reaktor 6 midi options but they arent working?? Yes they are usb plugged in.
dumbledog
Entrainer wrote:
Upright wrote:

I've heard Native Instruments have Blocks Bundles coming....so we will see all sorts of modules soon enough.


Ah, I see the way this is going.

New for R6: The Moogerfooger Virtual Collection, only $69.99 or 70 NIBucks
Upright
dumbledog wrote:


Ah, I see the way this is going.

New for R6: The Moogerfooger Virtual Collection, only $69.99 or 70 NIBucks[/quote]


Actually for all of the Moogerfoogers and awesome CV control that doesn't sound too bad.
thelizard
amnesia wrote:
I dont think you can which is a crying shame :-(

I do want to thanks everyone for all you input I decided to get both.

For me

Oscillot Pros = patching on the module faceplate. Seems more like Nord Modular

Reaktor Blocks = sound is better quality but Oscillot sound is great also.

The only thing I still want to know how to do is get my Beat Step Pro or midi keyboard working in Reaktor. I have chosen both in Reaktor 6 midi options but they arent working?? Yes they are usb plugged in.


Look up the automation panel for ensembles. You pretty much drag CC messages to whatever knob or control you want. It's pretty cool once you get used to it. It's on the left-hand side, where the browser is.
Upright
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Similar to the 1 V/Oct-standard as found on contemporary modular synthesizers, you are dealing with a value of 0.1/Oct in REAKTOR Blocks.


Also, I don't know how things were before Reaktor 6 but It seem that they purposely scaled the Blocks V/Oct standard purposely in a way that would make things easy to convert to the 1v/oct Eurorack standard. Would it just be a case of creating some sort of Primary module in Reaktor that would automatically multiply the pitch by 10. Maybe a simple math module that just does X10? I'm not even sure if that makes sense....I'll have to ask around. Thanks again for the info. grin
PraxisCat
Maybe we should start a list of blocks we would like to see? I am starting to thing that would be a good way to do development of these. Some taking on larger projects, but also an effort to try and knock down some utility modules such as wavefolders and wave multipliers, A-D envelopes, etc. Just an idea.
amsonx
now i use a lot Numerology and Silent Way with a motu 828 mkII/ES-1 to interact with my euro, i'm tempted to buy Reaktor but i've a (maybe dumb) question ? Can i i use it to send CV to my euro ?
Upright
amsonx wrote:
now i use a lot Numerology and Silent Way with a motu 828 mkII/ES-1 to interact with my euro, i'm tempted to buy Reaktor but i've a (maybe dumb) question ? Can i i use it to send CV to my euro ?




Yes you sure can. I have a Motu 828 MK3 and I'm sending CV from Reaktor to my euro. The only issue is that in its native state, pitch CV in Reaktor does not match the Eurorack standard. But, I have a friend that builds amazing Reaktor instruments that explained to me how to convert the current Block pitch scaling (0.1/Oct) so that it works with Euro (1v/Oct). This is done by adding a simple Primary module that basically multiples the signal. Hopefully, sometime during the weekend I'll try my hand at creating this "conversion" module.
Entrainer
PraxisCat wrote:
Maybe we should start a list of blocks we would like to see? I am starting to thing that would be a good way to do development of these. Some taking on larger projects, but also an effort to try and knock down some utility modules such as wavefolders and wave multipliers, A-D envelopes, etc. Just an idea.


Serge-esque DUSG + SSG

Buchla-esque Source of Uncertainty

Physical Modeling like MI Elements

user loadable wavetable oscillator on par with Serum's quality

something like Phonogene and/or Tyme Sefari

Vocoder/Filterbank like 296e

Pulse Divider / Boolean Logic output to Drum Sampler and/or USG

Euclidean Triggers out to Drum Sampler and/or USG

Something like Modcan Quad LFO with the clock divider, morphing waveshape, vcas and intermodulation

>

Maschine / Kontrol / S5 like controller for Reaktor where there are 10 loadable "blocks" with maybe 6 configurable patches each and patch cables to enable a tactile experience. LCD parameter update + knobs.

Make it like a 6U 84hp skiff. 5 modules on top, 5 on the bottom
amsonx
Upright wrote:
amsonx wrote:
now i use a lot Numerology and Silent Way with a motu 828 mkII/ES-1 to interact with my euro, i'm tempted to buy Reaktor but i've a (maybe dumb) question ? Can i i use it to send CV to my euro ?




Yes you sure can. I have a Motu 828 MK3 and I'm sending CV from Reaktor to my euro. The only issue is that in its native state, pitch CV in Reaktor does not match the Eurorack standard. But, I have a friend that builds amazing Reaktor instruments that explained to me how to convert the current Block pitch scaling (0.1/Oct) so that it works with Euro (1v/Oct). This is done by adding a simple Primary module that basically multiples the signal. Hopefully, sometime during the weekend I'll try my hand at creating this "conversion" module.


thanks a lot, i'll buy it for sure smile
Upright
Entrainer wrote:

Maschine / Kontrol / S5 like controller for Reaktor where there are 10 loadable "blocks" with maybe 6 configurable patches each and patch cables to enable a tactile experience. LCD parameter update + knobs.

Make it like a 6U 84hp skiff. 5 modules on top, 5 on the bottom



Yes all with CV jacks capable of receiving/sending CV to hardware. This actually would be better than what I was thinking. I was thinking something along the lines of a module that would fit in a euro case, similar to the new Roland effects where you could load Blocks via a USB. I like your idea much better. grin




amsonx wrote:


thanks a lot, i'll buy it for sure smile



You won't be disappointed.....Blocks are a lot of fun.
listentoaheartbeat
Upright wrote:
amnesia wrote:
Can you modulate the fine tune in OSC?


Hmmmm I believe so but now that you mention it I don't know....I'll check as soon as I'm home


amnesia wrote:
I dont think you can which is a crying shame :-(


Modulating fine tune would be the same as modulating the overall Pitch / Freq with a lot of attenuation, which you can do. smile
amsonx
Upright wrote:
Entrainer wrote:

Maschine / Kontrol / S5 like controller for Reaktor where there are 10 loadable "blocks" with maybe 6 configurable patches each and patch cables to enable a tactile experience. LCD parameter update + knobs.

Make it like a 6U 84hp skiff. 5 modules on top, 5 on the bottom



Yes all with CV jacks capable of receiving/sending CV to hardware. This actually would be better than what I was thinking. I was thinking something along the lines of a module that would fit in a euro case, similar to the new Roland effects where you could load Blocks via a USB. I like your idea much better. grin




amsonx wrote:


thanks a lot, i'll buy it for sure smile



You won't be disappointed.....Blocks are a lot of fun.


uhuhu i'll like integrate this with Numerology........
thelizard
Entrainer wrote:
PraxisCat wrote:
Maybe we should start a list of blocks we would like to see? I am starting to thing that would be a good way to do development of these. Some taking on larger projects, but also an effort to try and knock down some utility modules such as wavefolders and wave multipliers, A-D envelopes, etc. Just an idea.


user loadable wavetable oscillator on par with Serum's quality

Pulse Divider / Boolean Logic output to Drum Sampler and/or USG



There's a solid Wavetable oscillator up on the User Library already, but it doesn't have loadable waveforms. Still, it's an awesome tool that's already in most of my ensembles.

The built-in Block Library includes a Clock Divider. It's pretty simplistic though.

Boolean Logic should be very easy to implement. There are pre-made Core Macros for every logic type.
Robscorch
we're not worthy About time now I need to upgrade my Komplete again. So worth it now.
Upright
Robscorch wrote:
we're not worthy About time now I need to upgrade my Komplete again. So worth it now.


Just a heads up...I believe the current Komplete upgrade will only get you Reaktor 5. Might wanna look into it before you pull the trigger on it.
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
The built-in Block Library includes a Clock Divider. It's pretty simplistic though.


If you take into account that all six divisions can be fully modulated in does not seem so simplistic any more.. Feedback! smile

Plus it has up and down counting modes, and can either output signals with a 50% duty cycle for all divisions or use the input gate length.
Upright
listentoaheartbeat wrote:


If you take into account that all six divisions can be fully modulated in does not seem so simplistic any more.. Feedback! smile

Plus it has up and down counting modes, and can either output signals with a 50% duty cycle for all divisions or use the input gate length.




This actually sounds amazing lol.

The wavetable Oscillator sounds great IMO. There's also a morph knob I'm looking forward to trying out...I'm hoping it'll morph CV signals not just audio.
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
The built-in Block Library includes a Clock Divider. It's pretty simplistic though.


If you take into account that all six divisions can be fully modulated in does not seem so simplistic any more.. Feedback! smile

Plus it has up and down counting modes, and can either output signals with a 50% duty cycle for all divisions or use the input gate length.


Oh nice! Sounds like a need to experiment with it more before opening my mouth hahah. My bad.
amnesia
user modules!

amnesia
How I wish Reaktor was on the ipad!
Upright
amnesia wrote:
user modules!



Looking good!
amnesia
amnesia
secretkillerofnames
amnesia wrote:



Oh yeah this thing... question ... When?
amnesia
quick patch vid
pixelmechanic
amnesia wrote:


Personally I prefer the flat UI look of the NI blocks.
ignatius
pixelmechanic wrote:


Personally I prefer the flat UI look of the NI blocks.


me too.
Beni Shoga
Does anyone have a Microsoft Surface and is running this? Is it any good? I'm a total Apple guy and haven't touched a PC in 7-8 years, but I'd be tempted back to the dark side just to see if this is in any way useable with a multi touchscreen.
Entrainer
Beni Shoga wrote:
but I'd be tempted back to the dark side just to see if this is in any way useable with a multi touchscreen.


Reportedly, Reaktor 6 doesn't yet support multitouch.
Beni Shoga
Oh really, now that's a shame.
Upright
Here's a video of Reaktor's user created uWave Oscillator Block verses Braids. I sequence 2 notes to Braids and 3 notes to uWave. The output of Braids is patched into Reaktor and is controlled by an amp in Reaktor. I did this mainly to see if Reaktor would be on par with output level of hardware as well as timbre. In my opinion Reaktor every bit as good as hardware,....in my opinion they blend together very well in this patch. There are some added drums and occasional chords just for flavor.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/846ld8yd5kqfcnh/file%20sep%2012%2C%2011%2022 %2018%20pm.mov?dl=0
dumbledog
pixelmechanic wrote:
Personally I prefer the flat UI look of the NI blocks.


Same. Maybe it's the video compression but the inverter in particular looks kinda lo-res.
Entrainer
dumbledog wrote:
pixelmechanic wrote:
Personally I prefer the flat UI look of the NI blocks.


Same. Maybe it's the video compression but the inverter in particular looks kinda lo-res.


will there be Grayscale skins : )
djmoxxy
Love them Blocks!
Smais
extra testicle wrote:
dthese are monophonic only right?


not anymore, someones made a voice allocation block http://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/en try/show/8759/
amnesia


listentoaheartbeat
Smais wrote:
extra testicle wrote:
dthese are monophonic only right?


not anymore, someones made a voice allocation block http://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/en try/show/8759/




wink
amnesia
ben jah men
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Smais wrote:
extra testicle wrote:
dthese are monophonic only right?


not anymore, someones made a voice allocation block http://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/en try/show/8759/




wink


Is that you? nanners
Slic
Found this on KVR- Nice!
Blocks + eurorack :
https://vimeo.com/139266711
listentoaheartbeat
ben jah men wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Smais wrote:
extra testicle wrote:
dthese are monophonic only right?


not anymore, someones made a voice allocation block http://www.native-instruments.com/en/community/reaktor-user-library/en try/show/8759/




wink


Is that you? nanners


Nope!
listentoaheartbeat
Slic wrote:
Found this on KVR- Nice!
Blocks + eurorack :
https://vimeo.com/139266711


https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145911

smile
Slic
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Slic wrote:
Found this on KVR- Nice!
Blocks + eurorack :
https://vimeo.com/139266711


https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145911

smile


Ahh- I had missed that as I only looked in the software forum- dohhhh...
Really useful with the explanation notes, I am attempting the same type mof thing via a beatstep pro and may (if I get time) try and make a 'block' which represents the beatstep so the gate/CV/vel outputs can be mapped directly from blocks so its like playing hardware :-)
lionelfischer
does anyone know if the scope can do X/Y ?
lich


messing around with a blocks patch live seeing how much i can use at once in this way without killing cpu. little bit manic and wasnt sure what i wanted to really do so its a little dodgy in some spots but whatever. blocks are great!!
phonodyne
Nice work, lich. That was lovely.

I'm really keen to get Reaktor 6 but I think I'm going to hold out to see if they do an upgrade discount around Christmas. It's getting harder to resist now that there're lots of really nice demos and user blocks popping up.
amnesia
Great patch Lich! I get an overload on some patches (2011 MBPro).

Fancy sharing the patch I am keen to see if this gives me the overload.

What computer/ sound card are you using?
lich
amnesia wrote:
Great patch Lich! I get an overload on some patches (2011 MBPro).

Fancy sharing the patch I am keen to see if this gives me the overload.

What computer/ sound card are you using?


yeah no problem! its a bit of a mess in the editor i think and i did some things stupidly in hindsight (which im going to change in the next patch lol)

i use a stock late 2011 imac with 8 gigs of ram (running yosemite atm) with a motu ultralite mk3

if the patch doesnt work properly or something send me a message!
AdamJay
Didn't take long at all for the community to really run with the R6 possibilities. Exciting!
listentoaheartbeat
@amnesia, lich: Cool patches, add some Snapshots and upload them to the User Library! smile
amnesia
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
@amnesia, lich: Cool patches, add some Snapshots and upload them to the User Library! smile


My ensemble is up on the library Reaktor Spits
lich
hadnt even thought of uploading it to the library. will have to make something nicer for that i think !
pulpum
the new coloured cables are very nice to patch, they have greatly improved the graphic aspect of reaktor. everything is more simpler now.

It stills misses (perhaps) as in max msp, a simple patch to show what a cell can do...
thelizard
I had a very productive afternoon! I just uploaded a Panner, a Crossfader, and a Waveform Processor (based off of the Doepfer A-136) to the User Library.

EDIT: Also just posted a Saw Multiplier based on the Doepfer A-137-2 =)
AdamJay
Here's a clip of 8 different synth lines I made today with R6 + a few Max4Live devices.

They're in mono because they will be imported into Rytm.

https://clyp.it/cpndutzv
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
I had a very productive afternoon! I just uploaded a Panner, a Crossfader, and a Waveform Processor (based off of the Doepfer A-136) to the User Library.

EDIT: Also just posted a Saw Multiplier based on the Doepfer A-137-2 =)


Thanks! Looking forward to try these! smile
amnesia
Its funny how this all works out.

I started last week thinking I cant afford a Nord Modular and I didnt use Reaktor 5 at all. I really wanted something like the Nord patching so thought I would buy Oscillot.

Oscillot is great but then I thought I would give Reaktor a try. I was really sure I was never going to use it but bought the update anyway.

I love Reaktor 6 and all the daily modules are amazing!

Yesterday I bought a Nord MicroModular running on my MacBook Pro via Parallels (Win 10) and cant believe I am 15 years late with this little beast! The morphing option to assign to knobs and the glassy sound is brilliant!

I then bought Analogkit for the ipad and love that and then was told about Audulus. At this moment I am annoyed with Audulus as I tap and hold and get only Undo/Redo options and cant access the Oscillators etc but I hope I can work it out.

I am looking at my Buchlas, EMS and euro and havent touched them all week.

It sure is a modular world we live in!

amnesia
Cant wait for someone to make a Vocal Filter like the Nord Modular.
AdamJay
Reaktor 6 has me very convinced.
Been ages since I used a controller for a DAW, though.
I wonder what controller might suit R6 best? The Kontrol S Keyboards don't interest me much.
MB II
upgraded, liked it, laptop nearly caught fire, went back to Oscillot, fun.
lysander
A good option would be picking up a Maschine Mk1 controller for cheap.
The integration with everything NI including Reaktor is pretty good.
AdamJay
lysander wrote:
A good option would be picking up a Maschine Mk1 controller for cheap.
The integration with everything NI including Reaktor is pretty good.


Thanks. I'll look into that. I sold my Maschine Mk1 years ago to a fiend, but she isn't using it now so I'll borrow it back to see how it works out.
soup
I really hope NI come out with something new. I have maschine (mainly because of it's reaktor integration) but don't like it with blocks. The factory ensembles work great but I of course want to make my own and while block parameters map to knobs there is no labeling for which block they go with and the order blocks appear in is either chronological or something even stranger so things get confusing really quickly.

Also ensembles that are cpu hungry but run happily in reaktor standalone are too much for maschine even if that's the only thing running.

I'm finding that just using midi learn with any old controller for a few choice parameters works better than trying to use maschine.
poppinger
thelizard wrote:
I had a very productive afternoon! I just uploaded a Panner, a Crossfader, and a Waveform Processor (based off of the Doepfer A-136) to the User Library.

EDIT: Also just posted a Saw Multiplier based on the Doepfer A-137-2 =)


All of the user blocks you've uploaded to the library have been great!
secretkillerofnames
amnesia wrote:
Cant wait for someone to make a Vocal Filter like the Nord Modular.


Got some vocal sounds out of this patch. Pity I forgot to save it but it's fairly simple.

RustyO
Does anyone know when NI update Komplete?
thelizard
poppinger wrote:
thelizard wrote:
I had a very productive afternoon! I just uploaded a Panner, a Crossfader, and a Waveform Processor (based off of the Doepfer A-136) to the User Library.

EDIT: Also just posted a Saw Multiplier based on the Doepfer A-137-2 =)


All of the user blocks you've uploaded to the library have been great!


Thanks! Much appreciated =)
AdamJay
RustyO wrote:
Does anyone know when NI update Komplete?


Hard to say, the update last year was announced early Sept and released Oct 1st.
But it had been some time since a Reaktor update, and I'm sure they'll ride it out for at least another month or even two before they do anything next.
RustyO
AdamJay wrote:
RustyO wrote:
Does anyone know when NI update Komplete?


Hard to say, the update last year was announced early Sept and released Oct 1st.
But it had been some time since a Reaktor update, and I'm sure they'll ride it out for at least another month or even two before they do anything next.


Cool. Thanks for that. I'm so out of the loop with NI stuff. thumbs up

My laptop is about seven years old, about to die and I doubt it would even run Reaktor 6 at all... I think I will wait till I get a new machine, and probably just upgrade Komplete (v6 I think I have?) when the time comes.
AdamJay
RustyO wrote:

My laptop is about seven years old, about to die and I doubt it would even run Reaktor 6 at all... I think I will wait till I get a new machine, and probably just upgrade Komplete (v6 I think I have?) when the time comes.


My 2009 MBPro 2.8ghz Core2Duo runs most of the included blocks ensembles at around 55% CPU. Enough to play around with at 44.1khz, record, and then import into Rytm. If I remove the stereo FX, it goes down to about 30%, and I can safely run it realtime alongside A4+Rytm via Overbridge.

Still though, I think selling this MBPro for $400 and spending $800 on a used quad i7 MBpro is probably going to get me a lot more "synth" via Reaktor than putting the $400 difference toward yet another hardware synth.

Good luck, man!
Kroaton
I'm really loving it so far though it would've been better to go with a Reason style patcher window with virtual cables.

The following key commands have really helped.
Double Click in any empty space = change view between Edit/Panel.


Hide/show Library [F1]
Full Screen [F12]
Hide/show Horizontal Split [F10]
Hide/show Vertical Split [F11]
Toggle Between Horizontal and Vertical Screen Split [Ctrl] + [H]
Luap
Kroaton wrote:
I'm really loving it so far though it would've been better to go with a Reason style patcher window with virtual cables.



Its funny you say that.. I use Reason a lot, so now that i've been trying to get into Reaktor 6, I find myself hitting the tab key all the time, in an attempt to flip Reaktors rack around.. Doh! hihi


[EDIT] While im here.. Is there a 'proper' place to put downloaded Blocks? (On a Mac)
Stollmeister
Is the "Paul" filter block the Synth tech E440 filter? It seems to have the same stages and the bass boost feature.
AdamJay
Kroaton wrote:

The following key commands have really helped.
Double Click in any empty space = change view between Edit/Panel.


Hide/show Library [F1]
Full Screen [F12]
Hide/show Horizontal Split [F10]
Hide/show Vertical Split [F11]
Toggle Between Horizontal and Vertical Screen Split [Ctrl] + [H]


I knew of the Function commands but the double click helps a lot! Thanks!
killiun
whoops. deleted.
thelizard
Another batch of Blocks uploaded! This time, I added a Quad Delay and a Wavefolder.
krackmonkey
I'm only a couple days into learning the ropes of any of this, but I'm loving what I've managed to wrestle out of it this far. This is just one of the built-in Blocks ensembles and the Beatstep Pro doing the driving:

https://soundcloud.com/krackmonkey/intentional-drift
craigie77
any LPG's on this thing
bafonso
thelizard wrote:
Another batch of Blocks uploaded! This time, I added a Quad Delay and a Wavefolder.


Hi, thanks so much for all these blocks. A wavefolder was one of my objectives but my lack of time to learn reaktor and figure out the best algorithm lead to no block being made :-)

I saw your link to the musicdsp algorithm and someone else's comment regarding how it's not super buchla-ish. I find that Aalto nails pretty well the buchla wavefolder.. have you thought how to get closer to that sound? It would be amazing to have it in blocks :-) I love aalto but we can't just use that part as a module ;-) Very likely Randy won't share his secrets so I wonder if anyone else has looked into this...

I guess people have figured out the timbre part of buchla circuit (https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1071091&sid=83f912f 6952b106ffbdfb493c950fcf1) but I don't think people have analyze it to recreate it digitally... Or at least shared it :-)

There is a good analysis of the LPG that I dream of one day having the time and skills to implement in a block, see http://research.spa.aalto.fi/publications/papers/dafx13-lpg/

cheers
thelizard
bafonso wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Another batch of Blocks uploaded! This time, I added a Quad Delay and a Wavefolder.


Hi, thanks so much for all these blocks. A wavefolder was one of my objectives but my lack of time to learn reaktor and figure out the best algorithm lead to no block being made :-)

I saw your link to the musicdsp algorithm and someone else's comment regarding how it's not super buchla-ish. I find that Aalto nails pretty well the buchla wavefolder.. have you thought how to get closer to that sound? It would be amazing to have it in blocks :-) I love aalto but we can't just use that part as a module ;-) Very likely Randy won't share his secrets so I wonder if anyone else has looked into this...

I guess people have figured out the timbre part of buchla circuit (https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1071091&sid=83f912f 6952b106ffbdfb493c950fcf1) but I don't think people have analyze it to recreate it digitally... Or at least shared it :-)

There is a good analysis of the LPG that I dream of one day having the time and skills to implement in a block, see http://research.spa.aalto.fi/publications/papers/dafx13-lpg/

cheers


Wow! That research folder is a goldmine. I've been wanting to tackle an LPG. The paper is great, but the example Max/gen~ code is way more helpful for me.

The main issue with the wavefolder is that I haven't found a better open-source algorithm. There's an open-source LADSPA foldover distortion algo, but it only processes one fold! After that, it squares off the next set of folds. My copy of DAFX doesn't have a foldover algorithm in it. I'll look through some of my other books.

I love the sound of the Aalto folder, but I really just don't have time at the moment to do deep research into how to get a more analog sound from the wavefolder. He's posted a lot of his DSP code at https://github.com/madronalabs/madronalib/tree/master/Source/DSP, but I can't find any reference to a folder. I'm currently working on writing a book on modular synthesis as part of my dissertation, and producing Blocks as a extension of that.
VortexRanger
bafonso wrote:
I saw your link to the musicdsp algorithm and someone else's comment regarding how it's not super buchla-ish. I find that Aalto nails pretty well the buchla wavefolder.. have you thought how to get closer to that sound? It would be amazing to have it in blocks :-) I love aalto but we can't just use that part as a module ;-) Very likely Randy won't share his secrets so I wonder if anyone else has looked into this...


Check out this thread

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=125642&start=all

madronalabs wrote:
Here's the Max/MSP prototype of what eventually became the timbre circuit in Aalto.

Whatever method you use, I recommend a lot of oversampling for decent sound, because any kind of folder adds a lot of harmonics.

Code:

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madronalabs wrote:
For those who don't have Max/MSP, here's a picture of the patch:
thelizard
Walker, you rock.
thelizard
Okay, new Wavefolder posted. I kind of went crazy with the number of algorithms in that thread and ended up with five variations that sound pretty solid. Let me know what you think!
pixelmechanic
thelizard wrote:
bafonso wrote:

There is a good analysis of the LPG that I dream of one day having the time and skills to implement in a block, see http://research.spa.aalto.fi/publications/papers/dafx13-lpg/


Wow! That research folder is a goldmine. I've been wanting to tackle an LPG. The paper is great, but the example Max/gen~ code is way more helpful for me.


It's worth noting that one of the authors of that paper is Bacchus on this forum. Haven't seen him on here for a while though. Last I heard he was working for NI, although that was hearsay from a mutual friend.
thelizard
pixelmechanic wrote:
thelizard wrote:
bafonso wrote:

There is a good analysis of the LPG that I dream of one day having the time and skills to implement in a block, see http://research.spa.aalto.fi/publications/papers/dafx13-lpg/


Wow! That research folder is a goldmine. I've been wanting to tackle an LPG. The paper is great, but the example Max/gen~ code is way more helpful for me.


It's worth noting that one of the authors of that paper is Bacchus on this forum. Haven't seen him on here for a while though. Last I heard he was working for NI, although that was hearsay from a mutual friend.


He actually showed up in page 1 on this thread! It does appear that he works for them now. This is such a great community.
synthi
I`m making this from day1 with reaktor6:



Had it prototyped with standard blocks and I was about to release the timbre module alone but then I thought would be more useful to have it all prepatched and contained in one module, so you are "limited" to use it in a specified path. Also the timbre behaviour is very sensitive to levels, and in this way I have the control to make it sound as I wish smile
I modelled the timbre based in the sin function plus some saturators, and then had matched soundwise tweaking parameters, gain stages, etc... to the timbre in my Weasel. It really works!

I need the time to change some controls to "AB", but its a pain moving the knob elements (value windows, scales, shados, modulation sliders...) around the panel, I still need to figure out how to do it with the mod sliders hmmm.....
The principalosc is bento based but I want to "improve" it with some irregularities and non linearities in the pith sclaing and some tunning instabilities Mr. Green

Later I might try completing the "series" with LPGs and function generators, I think that will cover the "basic" west coast style :

Lizard, you are doing a great work, I see you released a ton of modules, thanks a lot!!! applause
I have to try your wavesfolder block too. Also, If you make some bucha related blocks as LPGs I could resking them to match the one I´m making nanners

edit: Bafonso thanks for that great LPG link!!!!! we're not worthy
Bacchus
Nice that you guys dug up my LPG paper, and are finding it useful! I couldn't possibly comment on whether there'll be an official LPG Block coming in the future. Nope, no comment at all whistlin'
thelizard
synthi wrote:
I`m making this from day1 with reaktor6:

Lizard, you are doing a great work, I see you released a ton of modules, thanks a lot!!! applause
I have to try your wavesfolder block too. Also, If you make some bucha related blocks as LPGs I could resking them to match the one I´m making nanners

edit: Bafonso thanks for that great LPG link!!!!! we're not worthy


Wow! That looks fantastic! I've uploaded my first go at the LPG tonight. I followed the paper very closely for modeling the vactrol itself (it's inside of a nice reusable macro now!), but then just dropped in the pre-built Reaktor Sallen-Key model for the filter portion. It sounds pretty great already.

Bacchus, I'm looking forward to the official version! The Max patch alone already sounded great.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/8893/
lysander
Brilliant, I will have to take a look.
Thelizard, did you over sample the wavefolder? There's a few examples on how to do it in the block filters.
thelizard
lysander wrote:
Brilliant, I will have to take a look.
Thelizard, did you over sample the wavefolder? There's a few examples on how to do it in the block filters.


I'm a bit confused. I've seen a few posts about oversampling (including some macros to assist with the process), but I also saw this blurb in the Core manual on page 97:

Quote:
In the current version of REAKTOR Core the clock rates can be only lowered, not raised.
Thus, oversampling is currently not possible. The rate conversion Macros are of course
available in both directions: downsampling (used upon entering the downsampled area)
and upsampling (used upon leaving the downsampled area).


Could someone from NI clarify this? Does it just mean that it's not possible via the technique of raising the clock speed, but it's possible via other means?
lysander
Yeah I was confused too and asked on the Reaktor forum.
Basically there's no pretty / simple way of doing it but it's still possible by essentially duplicating the macro that's oversampled ( for x2 over sampling ) and putting a few macros around it for half band filtering etc.
The Sallen Key and Paul filter both do this if I recall correctly. It's pretty clear how it works once you know the above.
Since folding introduces masses of harmonics it's probably worth doing at least 2x if not 4x oversampling.
thelizard
lysander wrote:
Yeah I was confused too and asked on the Reaktor forum.
Basically there's no pretty / simple way of doing it but it's still possible by essentially duplicating the macro that's oversampled ( for x2 over sampling ) and putting a few macros around it for half band filtering etc.
The Sallen Key and Paul filter both do this if I recall correctly. It's pretty clear how it works once you know the above.
Since folding introduces masses of harmonics it's probably worth doing at least 2x if not 4x oversampling.


Awesome! Thanks for the quick clarification. I'll look into it after I finish this current project. I have a Block that replicates the 8-stage Dig. Out section of the A-152 that seems to be working great. It has CV address, gates, and reset, along with what I feel is a more robust counting macro than what I've found in the Core Library. I'll post it soon, but I think I'm going to create a bunch of Clock/Logic Blocks and package them together since they're not as sexy as things like Wavefolders and LPGs.
lysander
Sounds great !
On my own list of todo's I have : a wavetable OSC ( I'm not happy with the "waldorf" one that someone has posted, it's very glitchy and aliases badly ), a sub oscillator (I'm thinking of a clock-divider based square oscillator with basic poly-blep to avoid excessive aliasing and a 24db post filter to make it more sine like if wanted ), then something in the spirit of the trigger riot, and finally a metropolis-like module.
That being said I'm more of a C++ than graphic language programmer, I'm re-learning Reaktor after a break of a few years, and I don't have masses of spare time at the moment.
So there's a good chance someone else will beat me to the punch for each of these. But I'll probably make my own versions at my own pace anyway.

I'm designing/testing the wavetable oscillator in python at the moment, once I'm happy with the results I'll get on with the Reaktor implementation and hopefully won't be pulling my hair out getting to grips with the new table framework.
thetechnobear
Im loving R6 and blocks....

today Ive just published my first 2 blocks....


Midi polyphonic expression block, supporting MPE standard for expression from Eigenharps/Soundplanes/Continuums/Linnstruments... over midi.

T3D OSC expression block, support T3D data over OSC for expression, as supported by Madrona Soundplane and Eigenharps.

its been great fun playing with the Soundplane and R6 smile
teezdalien
Damn you guys are making it hard to hang out untill the K11 update is rolled out. hyper applause
brackets
Hey.....this is far more powerful than I thought in the beggining.

Riff made with the microwave osc and the low pass gate BLOCKS.

It's amazing to achieve this rubbery textures inside the computer!!


[s]https://soundcloud.com/br-ckets-1/rubber-riff/s-yih9A[/s]
amnesia
Can someone give me an example patch using Knuertznankel because I am def getting no sound from this module .I can run all oscillators into it, cv the pitch etc and still no sound just the dry signal only. Turn Knuertznankel full wet no sound.

Its driving me bonkers because I have 11 years of modular patching under my belt but cant work out why this doesnt work for me.
djthopa
I updated to Reaktor 6 last night...only to found out it will not work as vst/ au inside Ableton , if Ableton is running on 32 bit mode.

Same with max
very frustrating
Slic
The 32 bit Reaktor plug in should work in the 32 bit live?
anarchy4bits
amnesia wrote:
Can someone give me an example patch using Knuertznankel because I am def getting no sound from this module .I can run all oscillators into it, cv the pitch etc and still no sound just the dry signal only. Turn Knuertznankel full wet no sound.

Its driving me bonkers because I have 11 years of modular patching under my belt but cant work out why this doesnt work for me.



you must start the reaktor main clock in th upper screen. had the same problem. its not described and not easy to find out hmmm.....
djthopa
Slic wrote:
The 32 bit Reaktor plug in should work in the 32 bit live?


Im afraid there is no 32bit Reaktor 6 vst or au Dead Banana
jbuonacc
Slic wrote:
The 32 bit Reaktor plug in should work in the 32 bit live?


32-bit works on Windows, but not on Mac.

oddly similar, i just noticed that the new 'OP-X Pro II' version says it requires a 64-bit host for Windows.
thelizard
Okay I'm in the middle of tackling a lot of sequencer primitives (both Blocks and Core macros). I've released Boolean Logic (2- and 3-input), Flip Flop, Comparator, VC Gates, and Probability Selector. Does anyone have sequencing requests? I want to tackle an Analog Shift Register next.
hyena
hey lizard! i just tried to build one (see this thread https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146790 )

i'm a total noob both in programming in general and reaktor in particular, but given that you are interested in releasing an asr, would you be so kind to try my own stupid implementation (all primary level) and tell me if it works like an asr should?
i like how it behaves but would like a feedback from an expert smile
thanks!!!
g.
Psychotronic
Oh, so this is where people hang out, that have development activity going with reaktor 6. I didnt notíce much activity on the rest of net, so i thought i join you here.

Hello,

i'm psychotronic. I'm working with reaktor since 2005 mostly building synths, sampler setups for live use and other special tools that i need for creating my sound.
https://soundcloud.com/psychotronic (warning: i have quite a taste for stuff that people wouldn't normally call music, please dont mind.)

One bigger ensemble that i implemented and published recently prior the reaktor 6 release was this one:
http://www.native-instruments.com/de/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-li brary/entry/show/8652/

I'm currently working on the next interation of this synth, rebuild from ground up with reaktor 6 core. I really love the changes NI implemented to core. It really feels like a proper dev environment now. I had lots of difficulties with Reaktor 5s core implementation in the past. Everything i touch in the reaktor 6s version of it feels a lot more polished. Good job NI!

This is the current state of the rebuild version:



Implemented so far:
- the two needed oscs(osc1 can modulate osc2 using wave shaping, fm and hard sync)
- a drawable table based wave shaper for osc 2
- a 2 and 4 pole filter unit with lp, hp, bp
- pre alpha knob design

The synth is inspired a little bit by the sound of EMS and buchla units, but i do not target a digital reimplementation of them. What i aim for is more a weird selection of ideas from them combined with some of my own ideas. Kinda...

Anyway... nothing is really finished. Good stuff needs time. This is what it sounds like in its current state. (First 2.5min is searching for a sound with open filters, after that i play with the filters and then i start goofing around just for a little bit.)

http://psychotronic.electronicattack.de/f5000.mp3
thelizard
hyena wrote:
hey lizard! i just tried to build one (see this thread https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146790 )

i'm a total noob both in programming in general and reaktor in particular, but given that you are interested in releasing an asr, would you be so kind to try my own stupid implementation (all primary level) and tell me if it works like an asr should?
i like how it behaves but would like a feedback from an expert smile
thanks!!!
g.


I'll definitely take a look at it tomorrow or Monday! I'm out of town for the weekend, so my computer time is sporadic. I'll post some thoughts then.
hyena
thanks! really appreciated!
craigie77
thelizard wrote:
Okay I'm in the middle of tackling a lot of sequencer primitives (both Blocks and Core macros). I've released Boolean Logic (2- and 3-input), Flip Flop, Comparator, VC Gates, and Probability Selector. Does anyone have sequencing requests? I want to tackle an Analog Shift Register next.


maybe some sort of Euclidian seq.....

,... I suppose a TIP TOP TRIGGER RIOT and a Z8000 sequencer is out of the question...



YOU GOTTA!
hyena
psychotronic: that thing is EVIL! immediately fell in love!
really curious bout the new 6 iteration!
great job!!!
lysander
A trigger riot like module is on my TODO list.
I'm very busy with work and house move right now though so there's a good chance someone else will tackle this before me.
Psychotronic
hyena wrote:
psychotronic: that thing is EVIL! immediately fell in love!
really curious bout the new 6 iteration!
great job!!!


Thank you. From what i can say so far: It will sound as evil as the old one, will have more and partly other possibilities and the same time sound much richer and warmer. I just ported the 2x oversampling someone mentioned here from the paul filter to my unit. I cannot tell you how much i love the new core filters.

All of this makes me wanna hug all the NI devs and send them flowers. hihi
hyena
hehhehe smile its such a great moment for sound art and synthesis in general! lots of opportunities and tools floating around!
thelizard
hyena wrote:
hey lizard! i just tried to build one (see this thread https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146790 )

i'm a total noob both in programming in general and reaktor in particular, but given that you are interested in releasing an asr, would you be so kind to try my own stupid implementation (all primary level) and tell me if it works like an asr should?
i like how it behaves but would like a feedback from an expert smile
thanks!!!
g.


Just got home, and posted my own ASR (which is implemented in Core for Block usage).

I really like the Ensemble that you've built! The included patch is great, and I'd like to hear more snapshots of your design. It definitely seems to work like I expect an ASR to, as well (I'm testing it by playing an arpeggio, followed by a few repeated notes. The arp is heard passing between voices before each voice settles on the repetition).
hyena
wow! thanks! and i'll instantly download your asr block! smile
hyena
love it!
what both our patches need now is an alternative version with the ability to inject some (controlled) feedback wink
jabs
Is it reasonable to expect Reaktor 6 to be wrapped into Komplete 11 soon?
thelizard
Finished one of big requests today... a Turing Machine!
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/8973/

Regarding the Trigger Riot request, I'm not sure that a 1:1 TR matches the spirit of the Euro Reakt series. The design of the TR is something that is really necessitated by hardware restrictions (i.e. panel space/size, cost, etc.).

The TR is essentially 16 copies of the same few modules, each of which has one unmodulated knob attached to it. A few of these modules (Clock Divider, Probability, Gate Combiner) already exist as modulatable Blocks. I definitely plan on tackling a gate-width modifier and gate delay soon, so that will be two more of the important components. At that point, it would be easy to use Blocks to create subsets of the TR where needed.

I think the only part that would be complicated to make outside of an all-in-one TR is the "STEPS" parameter, since each of the 16 TR generators is reading from an increasing integer clock, and using a modulus operation based on the STEPS setting. However, I think a lot of that can be taken care of by creating a new Clock Divider Block that has a built-in auto-reset, instead of using the NI Clock Divider.
lysander
I see your point but in my view what the TR also offers is a great performance tool though.
Keeping a similar interface and mapping the knobs to a controller such as bcr2000 from Reaktor would make a lot of sense for me.
thelizard
lysander wrote:
I see your point but in my view what the TR also offers is a great performance tool though.
Keeping a similar interface and mapping the knobs to a controller such as bcr2000 from Reaktor would make a lot of sense for me.


Good point! I suppose I hadn't really considered the performance aspect. I'm more of a studio guy, so I sold my TR a while back.

Regardless, here are some of the guidelines I'm trying to follow for Euro Reakt:

1) One knob per function. It's okay if the knob behaves differently in various modes (i.e. Offset changes Gain and/or Cutoff in the LPG, as it's still just controlling the vactrol's offset).

2) No multiples of anything in a Block, unless the copies directly affect each other, or if copies are needed for standard behavior. As an example, the Quad Delay has four identical delays. However, the Time knob affects all four, and the various feedback modes integrate the copies. The Saw Multiplier doesn't sound all that interesting with only one Phase Shifter. You probably won't see a module like the Doepfer Quad Decay (http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm), which has four identical, non-interacting units.

3) Whenever an Attenuverter is an option, it will be added. Pretty much every input gain and output gain will have one.

4) Whenever bus modulation is an option, it will be added.

5) Respect IP and original designs by going for generic (instead of specific) implementations. The Turing Machine is the only exception to this so far, as it's an open-source module, along with the "PONG" mode on Logic Mix being used from Shapeshifter. Other than that, the Blocks that I've made so far are implementations of ideas that have appeared on many modules, in many formats. All of the algorithms that I've used are freely available in academic research papers, forum posts, or even in the manuals of modules. Furthermore, all of my implementations are open-source and freely modifiable.
Psychotronic
thelizard wrote:
Finished one of big requests today... a Turing Machine!
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/8973/


Nice one! I really appreciate the work you put in reaktor 6. Thank you! thumbs up
lysander
thelizard wrote:
lysander wrote:
I see your point but in my view what the TR also offers is a great performance tool though.
Keeping a similar interface and mapping the knobs to a controller such as bcr2000 from Reaktor would make a lot of sense for me.


Good point! I suppose I hadn't really considered the performance aspect. I'm more of a studio guy, so I sold my TR a while back.

Regardless, here are some of the guidelines I'm trying to follow for Euro Reakt:

1) One knob per function. It's okay if the knob behaves differently in various modes (i.e. Offset changes Gain and/or Cutoff in the LPG, as it's still just controlling the vactrol's offset).

2) No multiples of anything in a Block, unless the copies directly affect each other, or if copies are needed for standard behavior. As an example, the Quad Delay has four identical delays. However, the Time knob affects all four, and the various feedback modes integrate the copies. The Saw Multiplier doesn't sound all that interesting with only one Phase Shifter. You probably won't see a module like the Doepfer Quad Decay (http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm), which has four identical, non-interacting units.

3) Whenever an Attenuverter is an option, it will be added. Pretty much every input gain and output gain will have one.

4) Whenever bus modulation is an option, it will be added.

5) Respect IP and original designs by going for generic (instead of specific) implementations. The Turing Machine is the only exception to this so far, as it's an open-source module, along with the "PONG" mode on Logic Mix being used from Shapeshifter. Other than that, the Blocks that I've made so far are implementations of ideas that have appeared on many modules, in many formats. All of the algorithms that I've used are freely available in academic research papers, forum posts, or even in the manuals of modules. Furthermore, all of my implementations are open-source and freely modifiable.


These are very good guidelines thumbs up
Your Turing Machine looks great, will have to check it out !
jbuonacc
thelizard wrote:
2) No multiples of anything in a Block, unless the copies directly affect each other, or if copies are needed for standard behavior. As an example, the Quad Delay has four identical delays. However, the Time knob affects all four, and the various feedback modes integrate the copies. The Saw Multiplier doesn't sound all that interesting with only one Phase Shifter. You probably won't see a module like the Doepfer Quad Decay, which has four identical, non-interacting units.


meant to ask about this the other day when you released your 'Flip Flop' Block, which is pretty sparse. might 'multiples' be beneficial in some cases, where there is empty space on the panel? maybe if the functions are identical, there could be some panel element which links them and/or allows them to interact with each other (like with the Quad Delay)? not sure what could be done with two Flip Flop 'instances', for example, if this would even be worthwhile. obviously this would be case-by-case, but might be something to consider? i can't see building a 4x unit just because you can (unless it saves panel space), but when you're not even using the full panel of the smallest Block then it might make sense? please disregard if this all sounds silly.

excellent work with your UL contributions so far, really amazing. thank you!
craigie77
is there a PIN matrix module anywhere on the Reaktor forum????
hyena
request for the lizard: something similar to the zorlon cannon (especially the trig suited part). linear feedback shift register fun!!!
poppinger
craigie77 wrote:
is there a PIN matrix module anywhere on the Reaktor forum????


Looks like someone uploaded one to the user library but I haven't tried it yet.
thelizard
hyena wrote:
request for the lizard: something similar to the zorlon cannon (especially the trig suited part). linear feedback shift register fun!!!


I don't have a Zorlon Cannon, so I may be way off on this...

The Turing Machine that I uploaded has individual Bit Gate outputs, so you can use those to trigger other sources. If you need impulses instead of gates, use my Comparator Block to extract those.

If you need feedback-LFSR noise, just hook up an oscillator to the GATE input of the Turing. Change the "Prob" to change the stability of the waveform. You can either monitor the main out for complex noise, or individual bits for random squarewave noise.
hpsounds
Is there a demo version of NI Reaktor 6 ? I didn't find it on NI website ? I would like to try it on my old late 2009 MacBook Pro.

hmmm.....

H.
thelizard
jbuonacc wrote:
thelizard wrote:
2) No multiples of anything in a Block, unless the copies directly affect each other, or if copies are needed for standard behavior. As an example, the Quad Delay has four identical delays. However, the Time knob affects all four, and the various feedback modes integrate the copies. The Saw Multiplier doesn't sound all that interesting with only one Phase Shifter. You probably won't see a module like the Doepfer Quad Decay, which has four identical, non-interacting units.


meant to ask about this the other day when you released your 'Flip Flop' Block, which is pretty sparse. might 'multiples' be beneficial in some cases, where there is empty space on the panel? maybe if the functions are identical, there could be some panel element which links them and/or allows them to interact with each other (like with the Quad Delay)? not sure what could be done with two Flip Flop 'instances', for example, if this would even be worthwhile. obviously this would be case-by-case, but might be something to consider? i can't see building a 4x unit just because you can (unless it saves panel space), but when you're not even using the full panel of the smallest Block then it might make sense? please disregard if this all sounds silly.

excellent work with your UL contributions so far, really amazing. thank you!


Thanks!

It is a tough call. There is definitely a ton of empty space on the Flip-Flop panel. At some point, I want to go back to the Logic and Flip-Flop Blocks and replace the input indicators with the clickable GATE buttons that I'm using on the Turing Machine. Even then, there will still be a lot of empty space.

Part of me feels like it might be psychological, like I'm so used to the density of Eurorack panels (Even now, every time I look at my hardware Turing Machine, that huge empty space cries out "There should be an internal clock here!", but I know how jam-packed the PCB is beneath it). On the computer, it's different since you can freely move Blocks around, and even minimize rows from view.

However, one counterpoint that I haven't thought of until recently is simply CPU overhead of individual Blocks. Would it take more CPU to have two Flip-Flops in one Block, or two Blocks with one Flip-Flop each? How much overhead do the graphics produce vs the algorithm? These are things that I should probably investigate, but it takes time away from building =)

I posted some cool A/D and D/A converters last night, bringing in two of my favorite Nord Modular modules. I'm spending this morning rethinking the analog Logic Mix, and then building a digital counterpart. There are a handful of gate/sequencer modules that I want to tackle, and then I'll move back to generators and effects.
craigie77
poppinger wrote:
craigie77 wrote:
is there a PIN matrix module anywhere on the Reaktor forum????


Looks like someone uploaded one to the user library but I haven't tried it yet.
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cheers dude
hyena
@ thelizard: thanks! i suspected that both can have similar behaviours...thx for clarifying!
revoltcrews
sweet thread.. cool lots of cool info.
just updated. diggin it.
Smais
Has anyone tried the Amazing Machines colorful noise module? As far as I know it's the first paid for Reaktor block available. I wouldn't be against paying for a block if it was interesting enough, this ones not for me though. Still, it would be interesting to see if a market place emerges, and maybe we'll see more branded block from known developers

http://www.amazingmachines.com.br/products_colorful_noise.html
jbuonacc
thelizard wrote:
... and then I'll move back to generators and effects.


absolutely killing it with all these uploads! i no longer have any regrets about selling my Nord G2.

... and the Tape Delay?! wow, that surprised me, sounds really good when adjusting the delay time. pitches up/down nicely, great character. the feedback seems pretty tame though, it doesn't seem to get very wild even at max.

also, i wanted to thank you for keeping your Blocks looking so nice and adhering to the simple NI standard. there's already a number of others in the UL that i'm going to have to figure out how to re-skin. hihi
thelizard
jbuonacc wrote:
thelizard wrote:
... and then I'll move back to generators and effects.


absolutely killing it with all these uploads! i no longer have any regrets about selling my Nord G2.

... and the Tape Delay?! wow, that surprised me, sounds really good when adjusting the delay time. pitches up/down nicely, great character. the feedback seems pretty tame though, it doesn't seem to get very wild even at max.

also, i wanted to thank you for keeping your Blocks looking so nice and adhering to the simple NI standard. there's already a number of others in the UL that i'm going to have to figure out how to re-skin. hihi


Thank you! All DSP quality kudos on the Tape Delay definitely go to NI. There's a Core effect macro called "Tape-ish Delay" that did most of the heavy lifting for that Block. I really only set up the parameter ranges and added the variable sampling rate. That algorithm was taken from my company's delay plug-in, Sandman (https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/unfiltered_audio_sandman. html), which in turn was inspired by the TipTop Z-DSP's variable clock rate input. Are you looking for a "bloom" effect on the Feedback? I've clamped it to -/+1, which prevents it from ever growing. I'll look into slightly increasing that range when I go back to expand the maximum delay time.
Entrainer
It'd be cool if they would break out the parts of Prism or if someone else would integrate the modal physical modeling / resonator into a block.
ekwipt
Imagine if the Modulargrid website was one big Reaktor Block respository
listentoaheartbeat
Entrainer wrote:
It'd be cool if they would break out the parts of Prism or if someone else would integrate the modal physical modeling / resonator into a block.


Not modal, but the Modern Comb Block makes an excellent resonator, including accurate pitch tracking (set to 130 Hz and key tracking fully CW to match the pitches on the sequencer, MIDI In, Quantizer, etc).
Psychotronic
eek! WTF! Was that my browser or reaktor or my mouse driver?!

Did anyone of you hear the sound "Congratulations, you won a trophy!" in reaktor 6?

I'm not kiddin!
Psychotronic
LOL. It was my mouse driver, it has an achievment system. w00t
Stollmeister
I would love a programmer ala Pressure Points or Synthwerks 4x4.
thelizard
The entire Euro Reakt package (so far) has been posted as one big download:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

I've added 7 new Blocks since I posted the AD Envelope. I hope that everyone enjoys these!
thetechnobear
thelizard wrote:
The entire Euro Reakt package (so far) has been posted as one big download:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

I've added 7 new Blocks since I posted the AD Envelope. I hope that everyone enjoys these!


awesome work... and nice to see them in one package, makes it easer to keep up to date applause

thanks for the great blocks Rockin' Banana!
m0d
Yeah, this is excellent! Thanks. I checked out a few examples and could see there was a lot of depth and possibilities.
Psychotronic
Still working on this thing...

http://psychotronic.electronicattack.de/f5000.webm
toschek
@thelizard -

I wanted to thank you personally for all the hard work you put into these new modules it is been a great gift to the community and I've learned a lot about programming just from your examples.

Have you considered doing a YouTube class lecture ? I would even consider paying for it if you offered something like that.

Once again thanks so much you are so generous and this community really wouldn't be what it is without people like you.
Glynbo
toschek wrote:
@thelizard -

I wanted to thank you personally for all the hard work you put into these new modules it is been a great gift to the community and I've learned a lot about programming just from your examples.

Have you considered doing a YouTube class lecture ? I would even consider paying for it if you offered something like that.

Once again thanks so much you are so generous and this community really wouldn't be what it is without people like you.

+1, Cheers for everything matey. we're not worthy
MrDys
Does a bipolar mixer exist in block-form yet? Running gates into a bipolar mixer and taking that output into an oscillator is my favorite kind of sequencer (similar to a Blacet Binary Zone, if you've ever used one of those).

I'm getting a little disillusioned with what few eurorack audio modules I have left and I'm thinking that R6 may be my ticket out...

And @thelizard, if you're taking requests...a A-149-2 clone (shift register-based clocked random gates) would be aces. This went into a lot of my bipolar mixer sequences. I just always wished that module didn't have to be attached to the A-149-1.
thelizard
MrDys wrote:
Does a bipolar mixer exist in block-form yet? Running gates into a bipolar mixer and taking that output into an oscillator is my favorite kind of sequencer (similar to a Blacet Binary Zone, if you've ever used one of those).

I'm getting a little disillusioned with what few eurorack audio modules I have left and I'm thinking that R6 may be my ticket out...

And @thelizard, if you're taking requests...a A-149-2 clone (shift register-based clocked random gates) would be aces. This went into a lot of my bipolar mixer sequences. I just always wished that module didn't have to be attached to the A-149-1.


Thanks everyone!

Yes, a bipolar mixer exists.

I've already made a few Blocks that replicate the functionality of the A-149-2. First, for sequenced Shift Register random outs, I cloned the Turing Machine and added per-bit outputs. Second, I have an A-to-D converter Block, so you can put in any signal you like (and not just a random source) and convert it to 8 Gate outputs (This is actually closer to what you want). Finally, I'm working on a Block right this moment that takes in one gate and outputs it to 1 of 8 random outs =)
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
I've already made a few Blocks that replicate the functionality of the A-149-2. First, for sequenced Shift Register random outs, I cloned the Turing Machine and added per-bit outputs. Second, I have an A-to-D converter Block, so you can put in any signal you like (and not just a random source) and convert it to 8 Gate outputs (This is actually closer to what you want).


AFAIK the Turing Machine's Gate outs and the A-149-2 essentially the same thing. At their core, the Turing Machine, Grant Richter's Noisering, and Ken Stone's Gated Comparator are all based on the the circuit used for the Stored Random Voltages section on the Buchla 265 / 266.

Reminds me, I patched up the Buchla Fluctuating Random Voltages in Blocks the other day:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4237324/fluctrandvolt.zip

Changing both the "Sample" LFO Frequency and S&H SLEW mimics the 'Probability Rate of Change' knob on the Buchla SoU. I guess matching the slew rate limiting to the period of the LFO would be the obvious choice, however I prefer setting the slew rate limiting at double the LFO's period, for example 400 ms SLEW for an LFO Frequency of 5 Hz. The "Sample" LFO could also be replaced with a clock signal for synced modulation.

Might make a cool little Block, Michael? wink
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
I've already made a few Blocks that replicate the functionality of the A-149-2. First, for sequenced Shift Register random outs, I cloned the Turing Machine and added per-bit outputs. Second, I have an A-to-D converter Block, so you can put in any signal you like (and not just a random source) and convert it to 8 Gate outputs (This is actually closer to what you want).


AFAIK the Turing Machine's Gate outs and the A-149-2 essentially the same thing. At their core, the Turing Machine, Grant Richter's Noisering, and Ken Stone's Gated Comparator are all based on the the circuit used for the Stored Random Voltages section on the Buchla 265 / 266.

Reminds me, I patched up the Buchla Fluctuating Random Voltages in Blocks the other day:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4237324/fluctrandvolt.zip

Changing both the "Sample" LFO Frequency and S&H SLEW mimics the 'Probability Rate of Change' knob on the Buchla SoU. I guess matching the slew rate limiting to the period of the LFO would be the obvious choice, however I prefer setting the slew rate limiting at double the LFO's period, for example 400 ms SLEW for an LFO Frequency of 5 Hz. The "Sample" LFO could also be replaced with a clock signal for synced modulation.

Might make a cool little Block, Michael? wink


Nice! That should be very easy to do. I wrote a variable-frequency linear interpolator for all of the Supercollider Chaos Blocks. Essentially, the clocking rate and the slew rate are synced.

I've been planning on doing a Low-Frequency Noise Block, which sounds close to what you want. It's essentially a clocked noise generator. Choose between White, Pink, or LF Shift Register for the input. Inputs are captured via an internal clock and slewed at the same rate as the clock.

What would be even closer would be to take the Turing Machine and add an internal clock to it, and have a stepped and a slewed output. The n^2 and n+1 outputs are already there on the Turing Machine, plus you would have the gate/bit outs.

Any opinions? I've never used the SOU or Doepfer A-149, but I do have a Turing Machine and I used to own a Noisering. I may be misinterpreting how those work.
mousegarden
I'm really pissed off about this, I bought Komplete just to get Reaktor, as they didn't release it as a stand alone then, now they do ! meh
m0d
mousegarden wrote:
I'm really pissed off about this, I bought Komplete just to get Reaktor, as they didn't release it as a stand alone then, now they do ! meh

When was that? I bought Reaktor as a stand alone product. I'm reminded of it quite frequently because it was my only Sweetwater purchase, yet they keep calling, and calling, and calling a decade later.

I'm sort of in the opposite boat. I upgraded from 5 to 6, but kind of wish I had bought Komplete.
Axiom Crux
It looks pretty cool to me, my favorite synth of all time is Nord modular g2 and it seems like they are going a bit more in that direction by having these blocks.
mwvm
where are the audio examples? everything i've heard so far doesn't really relate to eurorack sounds/style etc imo

if i'm honest - if people were making modulation, clocks, sequencers etc i can kinda see me buying an Expert Sleepers ES-3 or something and selling modules. use have sound sources and envs/vcas
hyena
just check michael "thelizard" euro reakt series...
mwvm
hyena wrote:
just check michael "thelizard" euro reakt series...


I'm going to take plunge. If guys like this are making stuff. Worth and risk even with zero resale price (which is why I stopped buying software)
thelizard
Newest Euro Reakt update includes emulations of a number of Braids modes:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

Olivier is just an awesome person. Even though Braids is CC-licensed, I made sure to get his permission before I released these. The TOY mode is the only one based directly on the source. The rest of them were more-or-less tuned by ear.
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
I've already made a few Blocks that replicate the functionality of the A-149-2. First, for sequenced Shift Register random outs, I cloned the Turing Machine and added per-bit outputs. Second, I have an A-to-D converter Block, so you can put in any signal you like (and not just a random source) and convert it to 8 Gate outputs (This is actually closer to what you want).


AFAIK the Turing Machine's Gate outs and the A-149-2 essentially the same thing. At their core, the Turing Machine, Grant Richter's Noisering, and Ken Stone's Gated Comparator are all based on the the circuit used for the Stored Random Voltages section on the Buchla 265 / 266.

Reminds me, I patched up the Buchla Fluctuating Random Voltages in Blocks the other day:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4237324/fluctrandvolt.zip

Changing both the "Sample" LFO Frequency and S&H SLEW mimics the 'Probability Rate of Change' knob on the Buchla SoU. I guess matching the slew rate limiting to the period of the LFO would be the obvious choice, however I prefer setting the slew rate limiting at double the LFO's period, for example 400 ms SLEW for an LFO Frequency of 5 Hz. The "Sample" LFO could also be replaced with a clock signal for synced modulation.

Might make a cool little Block, Michael? wink


Nice! That should be very easy to do. I wrote a variable-frequency linear interpolator for all of the Supercollider Chaos Blocks. Essentially, the clocking rate and the slew rate are synced.

I've been planning on doing a Low-Frequency Noise Block, which sounds close to what you want. It's essentially a clocked noise generator. Choose between White, Pink, or LF Shift Register for the input. Inputs are captured via an internal clock and slewed at the same rate as the clock.

What would be even closer would be to take the Turing Machine and add an internal clock to it, and have a stepped and a slewed output. The n^2 and n+1 outputs are already there on the Turing Machine, plus you would have the gate/bit outs.

Any opinions? I've never used the SOU or Doepfer A-149, but I do have a Turing Machine and I used to own a Noisering. I may be misinterpreting how those work.


The SoU and the A-149 have the n^2 and the n+1 outputs (Quantized Random Voltages on the SoU) as well as the basic 8 bit DAC output with 256 values evenly distributed over the whole range as found on the Turing Machine module (Stored Random Voltages on the SoU). They both do not have a looping feature. I think they don't have feedback around the shift register at all, but I am ot sure.

The Fluctuating Random Voltages on the SoU are a seperate circuit where the noise is filtered and modulates the LFO that is sampled like in my patch.

In the Blocks context it makes sense to break these functions out to multiple Blocks for cross-patching, which I think is crucial with the SoU.
listentoaheartbeat
m0d wrote:
mousegarden wrote:
I'm really pissed off about this, I bought Komplete just to get Reaktor, as they didn't release it as a stand alone then, now they do ! meh

When was that?


Reaktor has always been available as a stand-alone product.
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
I've already made a few Blocks that replicate the functionality of the A-149-2. First, for sequenced Shift Register random outs, I cloned the Turing Machine and added per-bit outputs. Second, I have an A-to-D converter Block, so you can put in any signal you like (and not just a random source) and convert it to 8 Gate outputs (This is actually closer to what you want).


AFAIK the Turing Machine's Gate outs and the A-149-2 essentially the same thing. At their core, the Turing Machine, Grant Richter's Noisering, and Ken Stone's Gated Comparator are all based on the the circuit used for the Stored Random Voltages section on the Buchla 265 / 266.

Reminds me, I patched up the Buchla Fluctuating Random Voltages in Blocks the other day:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4237324/fluctrandvolt.zip

Changing both the "Sample" LFO Frequency and S&H SLEW mimics the 'Probability Rate of Change' knob on the Buchla SoU. I guess matching the slew rate limiting to the period of the LFO would be the obvious choice, however I prefer setting the slew rate limiting at double the LFO's period, for example 400 ms SLEW for an LFO Frequency of 5 Hz. The "Sample" LFO could also be replaced with a clock signal for synced modulation.

Might make a cool little Block, Michael? wink


Nice! That should be very easy to do. I wrote a variable-frequency linear interpolator for all of the Supercollider Chaos Blocks. Essentially, the clocking rate and the slew rate are synced.

I've been planning on doing a Low-Frequency Noise Block, which sounds close to what you want. It's essentially a clocked noise generator. Choose between White, Pink, or LF Shift Register for the input. Inputs are captured via an internal clock and slewed at the same rate as the clock.

What would be even closer would be to take the Turing Machine and add an internal clock to it, and have a stepped and a slewed output. The n^2 and n+1 outputs are already there on the Turing Machine, plus you would have the gate/bit outs.

Any opinions? I've never used the SOU or Doepfer A-149, but I do have a Turing Machine and I used to own a Noisering. I may be misinterpreting how those work.


The SoU and the A-149 have the n^2 and the n+1 outputs (Quantized Random Voltages on the SoU) as well as the basic 8 bit DAC output with 256 values evenly distributed over the whole range as found on the Turing Machine module (Stored Random Voltages on the SoU). They both do not have a looping feature. I think they don't have feedback around the shift register at all, but I am ot sure. The Fluctuating Random Voltages on the SoU are a seperate circuit where the noise is filtered and modulates the LFO that is sampled like in my patch.


Check out the Low Frequency Noise Block that I just posted with 1.6. I don't have an SoU to verify against. However, it has a clocked interpolated noise portion, along with a "Flux" portion. The Flux portion is a separate random generator that introduces random frequencies per noise point. With that, I'm able to get fairly similar noise results to the ensemble that was posted. It's pretty cool!
mwvm
Jeez... I didn't research this much... A and B inputs?

Two CV inputs?
mwvm
@thelizard

Nice stuff
listentoaheartbeat
mwvm wrote:
Jeez... I didn't research this much... A and B inputs?

Two CV inputs?


You can route both modulation bus inputs on each Block to most of its parameters using bipolar modulation amount controls. This workflow leads to very interesting results since it supports a lot of correlated modulations in a patch. Some parameters, like FM on a filter, have dedicated modulation inputs.
mwvm
CPU has bombed out a few times doing regular FMing radiophonic stuff...

Using a lenovo yoga 500 asio4all

Had to run it at 22 kHz to get unusual stuff going on.

Monark osc forget it. Crashes bombs out etc...

I did have some fun with the Turing machine though. Got some nice sounds with the LPG.
jbuonacc
mwvm wrote:
CPU has bombed out a few times doing regular FMing radiophonic stuff... Using a lenovo yoga 500 asio4all. Had to run it at 22 kHz to get unusual stuff going on. Monark osc forget it. Crashes bombs out etc...


...ok? that doesn't sound right at all, do you have a weak processor in the Lenovo? even my old Q9505 gets decent results with full ensembles. i wouldn't go blaming Reaktor here, though some modules certainly are heavy.

...and again, much we're not worthy to Michael Hetrick (thelizard) for the 'Euro Reakt' series. un-f'cking-believable. it can not be overstated how much this means for the entire R6 Blocks "movement".
mwvm
i5-5200u 2.20gb

got lots running though

sorry, everything ok now...forgot how shit it was faffing with new laptops toget audio running ok

would love a wogglebug...and a looper that records
bitbin
Is anyone aware of any Blocks which do something similar to Mutable Instruments Clouds?

Cheers
thelizard
bitbin wrote:
Is anyone aware of any Blocks which do something similar to Mutable Instruments Clouds?

Cheers


Yeah. Joey Valizan's Blocks are all excellent for granular things. Check out Cirrus:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/8813/
bitbin
Lovely - thank you mate!
mousegarden
m0d wrote:
mousegarden wrote:
I'm really pissed off about this, I bought Komplete just to get Reaktor, as they didn't release it as a stand alone then, now they do ! meh

When was that? I bought Reaktor as a stand alone product. I'm reminded of it quite frequently because it was my only Sweetwater purchase, yet they keep calling, and calling, and calling a decade later.

I'm sort of in the opposite boat. I upgraded from 5 to 6, but kind of wish I had bought Komplete.


Yeah, I got FM8 in Komplete which was cool, also Absynth, which I've found more useful than I thought it was going to be. But the thing that bugs me about all NI stuff is the preset and snapshot management, it's just so clunky, a nightmare, they shouldn't give you the option to do so many of the same things in a different way, it just confuses things, and makes the interface look overly complicated, Kontak is the worst.
mwvm
Had this thing just under a week.

I've exclusively used eurorack for a year without opening my laptop to play vstis in that year.

My verdict.

Pros. Great for travelling. Other ens fit in nicely - effects etc. The euro reakt stuff is ace. Loved the shift register module in particular. The point and click works and isn't tedious. Literally goes as far as your imagination or cpu. Pretty addictive to patch. I've learnt new techniques. So much cheaper than eurorack.

Cons. FMing sounds harsh full on and can sound like bad digital noise. I have a DPO I'd be silly to compare oscs - of course they aren't as good. Where are the dynamics? ??? The fun imo with eurorack ...even digital oscs is the snappy dynamics - it's alive so to speak - like taming a wild animal sometimes. Some envs are clicky.

Summary - it doesn't replace eurorack for sound... primarily music is about sound isn't it? However, sketching patches and evolving a patch is great fun. Granular stuff is good. There's lots of potential and fun ahead. The question I I ask myself is could I give up on the sound of eurorack for reaktor? Eurorack is an expensive hobby - not sure tbh. Can you beat a DPO final to a optomix? Nope.


I have been a long time bidule user. Modulating vsti and vst parameters isn't new. In fact it's made me think about using bidule again.
m0d
I upgraded shortly after it came out. Besides Reaktor, I also use Max/MSP and Bidule. I think they are all great, but I'm focusing on Eurorack modules for the actual sound generators/modifiers and Max or Bidule for control.

I want to start using Reaktor again now that 6 is out. However, I vaguely remember running into limitations with Reaktor 5's MIDI control, at least in terms of how to configure a Reaktor patch to be controlled by a sequencer. Is that still an issue? There may have also been an issue with Logic only supporting AUs after Apple bought it. It was one of a few reasons why I switched from Logic for Live. Does this sound familiar to anyone, and is it still problematic?
Bonefish67
Check out the Low Frequency Noise Block that I just posted with 1.6. I don't have an SoU to verify against. However, it has a clocked interpolated noise portion, along with a "Flux" portion. The Flux portion is a separate random generator that introduces random frequencies per noise point. With that, I'm able to get fairly similar noise results to the ensemble that was posted. It's pretty cool![/quote]

Many thanks for all your Reaktor 6 blocks work...I sent a few bucks your way, wish it was more, for all the time you spent developing some really cool blocks ( https://www.paypal.me/MHetric ). Best of luck on all your future endeavors and please post up when your digital book is complete.
-Mike
Hazium
m0d wrote:
I upgraded shortly after it came out. Besides Reaktor, I also use Max/MSP and Bidule. I think they are all great, but I'm focusing on Eurorack modules for the actual sound generators/modifiers and Max or Bidule for control.

I want to start using Reaktor again now that 6 is out. However, I vaguely remember running into limitations with Reaktor 5's MIDI control, at least in terms of how to configure a Reaktor patch to be controlled by a sequencer. Is that still an issue? There may have also been an issue with Logic only supporting AUs after Apple bought it. It was one of a few reasons why I switched from Logic for Live. Does this sound familiar to anyone, and is it still problematic?


I don't think AU can output midi, but VST will in Live.
listentoaheartbeat
Hazium wrote:
m0d wrote:
I upgraded shortly after it came out. Besides Reaktor, I also use Max/MSP and Bidule. I think they are all great, but I'm focusing on Eurorack modules for the actual sound generators/modifiers and Max or Bidule for control.

I want to start using Reaktor again now that 6 is out. However, I vaguely remember running into limitations with Reaktor 5's MIDI control, at least in terms of how to configure a Reaktor patch to be controlled by a sequencer. Is that still an issue? There may have also been an issue with Logic only supporting AUs after Apple bought it. It was one of a few reasons why I switched from Logic for Live. Does this sound familiar to anyone, and is it still problematic?


I don't think AU can output midi, but VST will in Live.


This is correct. I cannot think of any other limitations you would encouter, both MIDI input and output work as expected. If you want to control your modular from Reaktor and Max, you might want to consider the Expert Sleepers ES-3 for direct CV control, it's a lot of fun.
thelizard
Bonefish67 wrote:

Many thanks for all your Reaktor 6 blocks work...I sent a few bucks your way, wish it was more, for all the time you spent developing some really cool blocks ( https://www.paypal.me/MHetric ). Best of luck on all your future endeavors and please post up when your digital book is complete.
-Mike


Thanks! I really appreciate it.

I recorded a talk on Reaktor->Eurorack->Reaktor workflow at a Native Sessions event on Thursday. Hopefully it will get posted at https://www.youtube.com/user/NativeInstruments/videos soon!
mwvm
thelizard wrote:
Bonefish67 wrote:

Many thanks for all your Reaktor 6 blocks work...I sent a few bucks your way, wish it was more, for all the time you spent developing some really cool blocks ( https://www.paypal.me/MHetric ). Best of luck on all your future endeavors and please post up when your digital book is complete.
-Mike


Thanks! I really appreciate it.

I recorded a talk on Reaktor->Eurorack->Reaktor workflow at a Native Sessions event on Thursday. Hopefully it will get posted at https://www.youtube.com/user/NativeInstruments/videos soon!


What did you use to link the two?
thelizard
mwvm wrote:

What did you use to link the two?


Expert Sleepers ES-3 + ES-6.
MOTU Ultralite AVB for portable optical connections.
mwvm
thelizard wrote:
mwvm wrote:

What did you use to link the two?


Expert Sleepers ES-3 + ES-6.
MOTU Ultralite AVB for portable optical connections.


What Vpp do you get from modulation sources?

I've read 100mV/octave for pitch. How are you stepping this up? Amplification x 10?
listentoaheartbeat
mwvm wrote:
thelizard wrote:
mwvm wrote:

What did you use to link the two?


Expert Sleepers ES-3 + ES-6.
MOTU Ultralite AVB for portable optical connections.


What Vpp do you get from modulation sources?

I've read 100mV/octave for pitch. How are you stepping this up? Amplification x 10?


The ES-3 and ES-6 both have a range of [-10V ... +10V]. Signals in Blocks are [-1 ... 1], 1 being digital full scale. So a value of -1 will give you a -10V output, and +1 will give you a +10V output.

Pitch signals in Blocks are scaled with a value of 0.1/Oct. A value of 0.5 is middle C.

So if you output a constant of 0.5, send it to your VCO via the ES-3, and tune the VCO to middle C, this will match the pitches shown in Blocks and give you rough 1V/Oct tracking (since a step of 0.1 equals 1V at the output).

It's not going to be accurate because the ES-3's converters are not entirely linear. In my tests, it was off a semitone over 4 octaves. In order to compensate for this, calibration is required. At present, the best solution would be to use Reaktor in a DAW and put the Silent Way Quantizer behind it, which uses calibration data from the Voice Controller plug-in.
mwvm
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
mwvm wrote:
thelizard wrote:
mwvm wrote:

What did you use to link the two?


Expert Sleepers ES-3 + ES-6.
MOTU Ultralite AVB for portable optical connections.


What Vpp do you get from modulation sources?

I've read 100mV/octave for pitch. How are you stepping this up? Amplification x 10?


The ES-3 and ES-6 both have a range of [-10V ... +10V]. Signals in Blocks are [-1 ... 1], 1 being digital full scale. So a value of -1 will give you a -10V output, and +1 will give you a +10V output.

Pitch signals in Blocks are scaled with a value of 0.1/Oct. A value of 0.5 is middle C.

So if you output a constant of 0.5, send it to your VCO via the ES-3, and tune the VCO to middle C, this will match the pitches shown in Blocks and give you rough 1V/Oct tracking (since a step of 0.1 equals 1V at the output).

It's not going to be accurate because the ES-3's converters are not entirely linear. In my tests, it was off a semitone over 4 octaves. In order to compensate for this, calibration is required. At present, the best solution would be to use Reaktor in a DAW and put the Silent Way Quantizer behind it, which uses calibration data from the Voice Controller plug-in.


I get you but it sounds a bit convoluted...so to send accurate pitch CV you'd need to run it through a a couple of plugins as a channel insert to whatever output you're sending the CV pitch to?

When you drop Reaktor as a midi insert in a DAW do you still get all your audio ins/outs to patch? How does that work with sending other CV, say modulation/gates out?

Apologies, I've not got ableton installed on my current laptop...I only have Reaktor (my DAW laptop is in storage)
thelizard
Just posted 2.0:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

This version will be huge for a lot of you, as it finally includes a Complex Oscillator! I've also made a lot of improvements to Tape Delay, and added in a few more oscillators.
ignatius
thelizard wrote:
Just posted 2.0:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

This version will be huge for a lot of you, as it finally includes a Complex Oscillator! I've also made a lot of improvements to Tape Delay, and added in a few more oscillators.


holy crap. thanks.

i still haven't update to reaktor 6.. but i'm collecting all the blocks in the mean time.
mwvm
The new oscillators are great. Especially the complex oscillator, donation coming it's way pay day
thelizard
mwvm wrote:
The new oscillators are great. Especially the complex oscillator, donation coming it's way pay day


Much appreciated!
Flohr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTu7K06Wig

Cool talk with Richard Devine and Daniel Miller.

I'm really excited to see where this goes. Full integration of Reaktor 6 with Eurorack would be insane. I think some kind of plug-out type scenario like the Roland stuff, except it would be like a programmable interface module. So something like the alternate firmwares that people are doing for Mutable modules, but much more easy to edit and tweak.
DJMaytag
Sorry for the TL;DR, but I just scored a second hand copy of Reaktor 5 this week, and I can barely get my head around everything that's in it. Are the blocks a good enough reason to drop the $99 to upgrade immediately to Reaktor 6, or should I get a grip on 5 and worry about upgrading later?
m0d
DJMaytag wrote:
Sorry for the TL;DR, but I just scored a second hand copy of Reaktor 5 this week, and I can barely get my head around everything that's in it. Are the blocks a good enough reason to drop the $99 to upgrade immediately to Reaktor 6, or should I get a grip on 5 and worry about upgrading later?


I think a good justification for the upgrade are all the new things for Reaktor 6 that are being posted to the user library. There aren't a lot in comparison to Reaktor 5, but those that are there are pretty good, and it will continue to grow.

Then again, there are over 4000 things for Reaktor 5. If you aren't into blocks yet, there is still plenty to learn and do... and if you think you might get into Komplete, keep in mind Reaktor 6 is NOT included.

(edited to clarify that Reaktor 6 not included in Komplete)
hyena
blocks itself (with user content) might be a reason good enough to update
but also all the little big improvements on the GUI side, labeling, core improvements etc...

only problem: it is a bit of an heavyweight compared to reaktor 5 (blocks especially), so if you run an old computer i'd consider demoing first, if possible...
a friend of mine with a macbook 13 2011 dual i5 2,4 ghz 4gb ram is struggling to get even a simple patch out of blocks...
mine is almost the same but dual i7 2,7 ghz 4gb ram and allows me some pretty complex patches but at a very high cpu cost...
schemawound
m0d wrote:
DJMaytag wrote:
Sorry for the TL;DR, but I just scored a second hand copy of Reaktor 5 this week, and I can barely get my head around everything that's in it. Are the blocks a good enough reason to drop the $99 to upgrade immediately to Reaktor 6, or should I get a grip on 5 and worry about upgrading later?


I think a good justification for the upgrade are all the new things for Reaktor 6 that are being posted to the user library. There aren't a lot in comparison to Reaktor 5, but those that are there are pretty good, and it will continue to grow.

Then again, there are over 4000 things for Reaktor 5. If you aren't into blocks yet, there is still plenty to learn and do... and if you think you might get into Komplete, keep in mind Reaktor 6 is (I think) included.


The blocks alone are worth the upgrade cost. Things now work the way i always wanted Reaktor to work. Also Reaktor 6 will not be included in Komplete until version 11. Considering 10 came out during the summer I would say that's at least a year off.
DJMaytag
schemawound wrote:
The blocks alone are worth the upgrade cost. Things now work the way i always wanted Reaktor to work. Also Reaktor 6 will not be included in Komplete until version 11. Considering 10 came out during the summer I would say that's at least a year off.

I found a site that listed out the past decade of sales that NI has had, and that upgrade prices tend to happen more around March/April. I think I might wait to see what happens between now and then, while spending time messing around with R5.

Also, I'm not very deep into NI stuff yet, and have never felt a big pull to get Komplete. I just recently picked up FM8 and then Reaktor just a few days ago. I don't know how much of their range I really need with everything else I have.
schemawound
DJMaytag wrote:
Also, I'm not very deep into NI stuff yet, and have never felt a big pull to get Komplete. I just recently picked up FM8 and then Reaktor just a few days ago. I don't know how much of their range I really need with everything else I have.


Keep an eye on the next time they have a sale on Komplete upgrades. Since you have FM8 and R5 you qualify for a crossgrade, during the sale you could get Komplete for less than the price of one of their synths. The advantage I have found with Komplete is you end up using things you never would have imagined checking out before. Lots of hidden gems in there. Razor is still one of my favorite soft synths. Very unique sound.
m0d
schemawound wrote:
Also Reaktor 6 will not be included in Komplete until version 11.

Thanks! I updated my earlier post.
DJMaytag
schemawound wrote:
Keep an eye on the next time they have a sale on Komplete upgrades. Since you have FM8 and R5 you qualify for a crossgrade, during the sale you could get Komplete for less than the price of one of their synths.

I found a site that broke down the past decade worth of NI sales, with a spreadsheet noting each type of sale and what time of year it happens. Based on that, it's likely that they'll have a sale on Complete upgrades around March/April.

schemawound wrote:
The advantage I have found with Komplete is you end up using things you never would have imagined checking out before. Lots of hidden gems in there. Razor is still one of my favorite soft synths. Very unique sound.

I'd like Massive, Rounds, and Monark. I guess if anything else in there is cool, then it's a nice bonus. I just don't want to install 80 Gb worth of material I'm never going to use.
listentoaheartbeat
hyena wrote:
only problem: it is a bit of an heavyweight compared to reaktor 5 (blocks especially), so if you run an old computer i'd consider demoing first, if possible...
a friend of mine with a macbook 13 2011 dual i5 2,4 ghz 4gb ram is struggling to get even a simple patch out of blocks...
mine is almost the same but dual i7 2,7 ghz 4gb ram and allows me some pretty complex patches but at a very high cpu cost...


The choice of Blocks makes a huge difference here. Some are way more demanding than others. An i5 at 2,4 should allow for decent flexibility and performance with Blocks though, so there might be something going on performance-wise.. The Activity Monitor, fan activity, and audio driver settings might be worth a look. Generally speaking, the CPU load should only be slightly higher in R6 compared to the same Ensemble loaded in R5.
schemawound
[quote="DJMaytag"]
schemawound wrote:

I'd like Massive, Rounds, and Monark. I guess if anything else in there is cool, then it's a nice bonus. I just don't want to install 80 Gb worth of material I'm never going to use.


Kontakt libraries are what take up 90% of the space. On install you can chose which ones you want to install. There are definatly still some Kontakt libraries I have barely touched.
Flohr
I really hope that Reaktor goes on sale at some point. Really looking forward to messing with Blocks.

On the hardware integration front, I was watching a video about the Rebel Technology Owl and it struck me that a similar hardware interface for Reaktor could be feasible. Some kind of generic module with ins and outs, a row of knobs, sliders etc, and a usb port. Then you could bank a block (or a bunch of different blocks or macro combinations of blocks) into it and hit it with a modular voltage or audio or use it to send a voltage or audio out (or both).
mwvm
Flohr wrote:
I really hope that Reaktor goes on sale at some point. Really looking forward to messing with Blocks.

On the hardware integration front, I was watching a video about the Rebel Technology Owl and it struck me that a similar hardware interface for Reaktor could be feasible. Some kind of generic module with ins and outs, a row of knobs, sliders etc, and a usb port. Then you could bank a block (or a bunch of different blocks or macro combinations of blocks) into it and hit it with a modular voltage or audio or use it to send a voltage or audio out (or both).


I was thinking the same a actually. The Roland modules have software to hardware integration. A module with 16in/outs to integrate with reaktor would be perfect.

Meanwhile,I'm going the ADAT dc - coupled soundcard expert sleeper es-3 route.

Those miniDSP jobbies look ok but no analogue in/outs
rod_zero
Is it possible to record MIDI output from Reaktor block sequencers?
MrDys
rod_zero wrote:
Is it possible to record MIDI output from Reaktor block sequencers?


It's DAW specific, but this is how you do it in Live: https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article/vst-plugin-midi-output/
rod_zero
MrDys wrote:
rod_zero wrote:
Is it possible to record MIDI output from Reaktor block sequencers?


It's DAW specific, but this is how you do it in Live: https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article/vst-plugin-midi-output/


Thanks, but I am more concerned from the Reaktor side, is it easy to route MIDI out of it?
listentoaheartbeat
rod_zero wrote:
MrDys wrote:
rod_zero wrote:
Is it possible to record MIDI output from Reaktor block sequencers?


It's DAW specific, but this is how you do it in Live: https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article/vst-plugin-midi-output/


Thanks, but I am more concerned from the Reaktor side, is it easy to route MIDI out of it?


Converting pitch signals in Blocks to MIDI note numbers is fairly straight-forward due to the specification:

Pitch inputs, which are used to control the frequency of oscillators and filters, scale an input value between 0 and 1 up to a MIDI note value between 0 and 120. A value of 0 equals MIDI note 0, a value of 0.5 equals MIDI note 60, and a value of 1 equals MIDI note 120.
(from the Blocks Manual)

There is currently no factory Block for this, but Phil Durrant posted one in the Reaktor User Library:

https://www.native-instruments.com/de/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/8983/
Glynbo
Some great new blocks in this from NI. http://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/happy-holidays/
Zon
I have a question about the blocks. Do the oscillators run freely until you hook it up to a VCA+envelope or do they always need midi input to sound?
synthi
Zon wrote:
I have a question about the blocks. Do the oscillators run freely until you hook it up to a VCA+envelope or do they always need midi input to sound?


They run freely, just as a modular VCO thumbs up
listentoaheartbeat
Zon wrote:
I have a question about the blocks. Do the oscillators run freely until you hook it up to a VCA+envelope or do they always need midi input to sound?


You don't need MIDI input for anything in Blocks. One of the main design goals was to create a system that behaves like a hardware modular synthesizer. Essentially, the user interface is the only fundamental difference.
Zon
All i need to hear, thank you
jbuonacc
a few minutes with one of the new 'Blocks Wired' ensembles:

[s]https://soundcloud.com/jbuonacc/r6-blocks-wired-01[/s]
Flohr
Decided the voucher was enough to make me update. Realized the voucher isn't valid on updates. Bought it anyway Dead Banana
Flohr
thelizard Dude, massive respect due for Euro Reakt! Incredible!

General question: So I've used Reaktor as an instrument and as an effect on a mixer channel, both with great results. Here's my question, If I wanted to use it in a mixer slot in my DAW in order to process external audio, but I wanted the midi sequence from the instrument I'm processing to provide key-tracking in Reaktor, how would I do this?
thelizard
Flohr wrote:
thelizard Dude, massive respect due for Euro Reakt! Incredible!

General question: So I've used Reaktor as an instrument and as an effect on a mixer channel, both with great results. Here's my question, If I wanted to use it in a mixer slot in my DAW in order to process external audio, but I wanted the midi sequence from the instrument I'm processing to provide key-tracking in Reaktor, how would I do this?


Hey, thanks! I'm glad that you like it.

Which DAW are you using? If you're using Ableton, create another MIDI track. For that track's "MIDI To," send it to the same track that has Reaktor on it, and then select Reaktor.
Flohr
thelizard That makes sense, sorry I don't really think in midi d'oh!

Since I drifted away from working in a DAW, got into modular and then returned to a DAW, I've been dreaming of three things:

1. Being able to use audio as a control/automation source and vice versa.
2. Feedback patching. Of audio and control sources.
3. Pitch tracking of automations.

There may be other ways to do this in typical DAWs that I'm not aware of, or complex solutions which I haven't tried (Max MSP etc) but Reaktor 6 is seeming a likely candidate to open these doors. It's totally going to revolutionize the way I make music.
Flohr
Here's the first patch I felt was worth recording and sharing. I'm using 8 Bento Oscillators, sequenced by a Quantized S/H via the Euro Reakt ASR Block. 8 Paul filters, two of the new quad function generator blocks, two quadrature LFOs, two tape delays and some reverb. Enjoy.

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lich


here's another semi-random thing i did while incredibly tired. i need to record some when i'm like not falling asleep probably hahaha
mwvm
thelizard

I have a request - I love modules and work you're doing. The Turing machine - it would be fab to choose the number of steps rather than a fixed 8.


A thing I like on M4L devices is the tempo can be selected on sequencers relevant to clock.
lich
mwvm wrote:
thelizard

I have a request - I love modules and work you're doing. The Turing machine - it would be fab to choose the number of steps rather than a fixed 8.


A thing I like on M4L devices is the tempo can be selected on sequencers relevant to clock.


correct me if im wrong but i thought it works almost the same as the real one. 8 step loop on the right, 16 step loop on the left. altho the real one can be changed to be 32 on the left and 16 on the right.
stereonoss
Reaktor 6 works with daw 64bit only? ((
thelizard
lich wrote:
mwvm wrote:
thelizard

I have a request - I love modules and work you're doing. The Turing machine - it would be fab to choose the number of steps rather than a fixed 8.


A thing I like on M4L devices is the tempo can be selected on sequencers relevant to clock.


correct me if im wrong but i thought it works almost the same as the real one. 8 step loop on the right, 16 step loop on the left. altho the real one can be changed to be 32 on the left and 16 on the right.


That's correct! I should add the 16/8 switch, but it would be a pretty large update. The finer loop length selection is done via the Bytes expander. Adding that feature may be a bit easier. I'll have to look into it. (Mainly, I need to look up videos of Bytes. The idea of "loop length" is a very odd one with the Turing Machine, since the bits do not have identical significance)

It wouldn't be too unusual to add, since I've already added pretty much the entirety of the Pulses expander (all bits have a gate output... the various logic combinations can be achieved with my Boolean Logic Blocks), while the Voltages expander simply requires running the bit outputs into a mixer.
jbuonacc
stereonoss wrote:
Reaktor 6 works with daw 64bit only? ((


only on Mac, Windows offers 32 and 64-bit.
Worwell
First post. Reaktor Blocks is so great. And now I've gone off and bought a modular. While waiting to take delivery, I've been having a lot of fun with this ens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN3Ve0E4fR8
artistcalled6
so to combine this with expert sleepers you need to spend about...700-800 USD? Is that right or am i looking at a really expensive AVB?
junklight
artistcalled6 wrote:
so to combine this with expert sleepers you need to spend about...700-800 USD? Is that right or am i looking at a really expensive AVB?


not sure what you are looking at -

Reaktor 6 is 169 GBP on its own (so no worse than 200USB - goodness knows what the exchange rate is currently -GBP is weak)

The trick with NI is to look out for offers - they frequently have quite good deals. So you might get it cheaper. Once you are "in" you get upgrade pricing which makes it easier to deal with

You can get Reaktor as part of Komplete - which is a pretty good package - some solid synths (Monark!!! love Monark even with my recent shift into hardware/modular the Monrark still gets a look in) and the Kontakt libraries are good bread and butter stuff for music making and some nice effects which I personally use frequently. Komplete does cost a lot more - and again the trick is to keep an eye out for special offers rather than paying list price

Expert sleepers stuff is just list price as with most hardware
ignatius
junklight wrote:
artistcalled6 wrote:
so to combine this with expert sleepers you need to spend about...700-800 USD? Is that right or am i looking at a really expensive AVB?


not sure what you are looking at -

Reaktor 6 is 169 GBP on its own (so no worse than 200USB - goodness knows what the exchange rate is currently -GBP is weak)

The trick with NI is to look out for offers - they frequently have quite good deals. So you might get it cheaper. Once you are "in" you get upgrade pricing which makes it easier to deal with

You can get Reaktor as part of Komplete - which is a pretty good package - some solid synths (Monark!!! love Monark even with my recent shift into hardware/modular the Monrark still gets a look in) and the Kontakt libraries are good bread and butter stuff for music making and some nice effects which I personally use frequently. Komplete does cost a lot more - and again the trick is to keep an eye out for special offers rather than paying list price

Expert sleepers stuff is just list price as with most hardware


current version of reaktor is not in komplete. so far they haven't made any offers for reaktor6. the coupon thing they did recently didn't work for updates.
junklight
ignatius wrote:


current version of reaktor is not in komplete. so far they haven't made any offers for reaktor6. the coupon thing they did recently didn't work for updates.


yeah - you need to be patient if you are looking for an offer - but if you sign up for their list and wait then something will come along

That said, having been a Reaktor user for many years, and even now I've started building out hardware modular and synths for my music making, I think Reaktor is fantastic value - I've built stuff in it, there are a ton of great synths made by other people and I find Blocks really cool - and I still use it alongside my modular (and when I'm travelling I've prototyped a number of things that I then made on my modular for real for recording and playing). It's pretty good value for money IMO
artistcalled6
junklight wrote:
artistcalled6 wrote:
so to combine this with expert sleepers you need to spend about...700-800 USD? Is that right or am i looking at a really expensive AVB?


not sure what you are looking at -


Prices in USD

99 for the Reaktor upgrade

115 for https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb-audio-interface/usbstreamer-box

325.00 for Es-3 mk3

59 for Silent Way

so 598 and some tax and shipping in some places. I was a little off in my original cost because the usb -> adat i was looking at was much higher.

It's tempting, I've already upgraded to Reaktor 6, I'd really love to utilize some blocks to modulate my physical modular ..... sad banana
lysander
There's no need for silent way when using reaktor and the ES3.
I made a utility module that you can use to tune the tracking of CV/Oct and scale gates, just search for "ES3" on the reaktor user library.
Kitai
thelizard wrote:
lich wrote:
mwvm wrote:
thelizard

I have a request - I love modules and work you're doing. The Turing machine - it would be fab to choose the number of steps rather than a fixed 8.


A thing I like on M4L devices is the tempo can be selected on sequencers relevant to clock.


correct me if im wrong but i thought it works almost the same as the real one. 8 step loop on the right, 16 step loop on the left. altho the real one can be changed to be 32 on the left and 16 on the right.


That's correct! I should add the 16/8 switch, but it would be a pretty large update. The finer loop length selection is done via the Bytes expander. Adding that feature may be a bit easier. I'll have to look into it. (Mainly, I need to look up videos of Bytes. The idea of "loop length" is a very odd one with the Turing Machine, since the bits do not have identical significance)

It wouldn't be too unusual to add, since I've already added pretty much the entirety of the Pulses expander (all bits have a gate output... the various logic combinations can be achieved with my Boolean Logic Blocks), while the Voltages expander simply requires running the bit outputs into a mixer.


Hey bud, just a question. Considering Mutable Instruments has a very open source mentality, would it be possible for you to recreate one of their modules, and replicate the cool graphic logo? Just curious if that is something that could be done. A clouds module would be pretty nuts, or even Braids
lysander
While it could be done, turning the MI c++ code into Reaktor core's graphical language is an insane amount of work.
So don't expect an exact clone I think, someone could replicate the functionality but it wouldn't sound the same most likely.

Personally the one module I would want is Tides, I'm just in love with the sound of that thing. But I wouldn't want to attempt recreating it in Core unless I had >100 hours of spare time to devote to it.
Kitai
lysander wrote:
While it could be done, turning the MI c++ code into Reaktor core's graphical language is an insane amount of work.
So don't expect an exact clone I think, someone could replicate the functionality but it wouldn't sound the same most likely.

Personally the one module I would want is Tides, I'm just in love with the sound of that thing. But I wouldn't want to attempt recreating it in Core unless I had >100 hours of spare time to devote to it.


Well that brings up another valid request of Euro Manufacturers getting on board with NI to create expansion packs. I mean, let the guys at NI spend those hours, thats kind of their job anyway, and since NI has partnered with many different companies and artists before, it would make perfect sense.

I do understand how difficult it would be though for just one person, however, if you take an NI team, it becomes much more doable.
thelizard
Kitai wrote:
lysander wrote:
While it could be done, turning the MI c++ code into Reaktor core's graphical language is an insane amount of work.
So don't expect an exact clone I think, someone could replicate the functionality but it wouldn't sound the same most likely.

Personally the one module I would want is Tides, I'm just in love with the sound of that thing. But I wouldn't want to attempt recreating it in Core unless I had >100 hours of spare time to devote to it.


Well that brings up another valid request of Euro Manufacturers getting on board with NI to create expansion packs. I mean, let the guys at NI spend those hours, thats kind of their job anyway, and since NI has partnered with many different companies and artists before, it would make perfect sense.

I do understand how difficult it would be though for just one person, however, if you take an NI team, it becomes much more doable.


In the current version of Euro Reakt, about a dozen of the oscillators are from Braids. Some were copied directly from the C code (Toy Oscillator), others were conceptually copied (Triple Osc, Triple Ring, Twin Peaks). I copied these with Olivier's permission, even though it's not necessarily required with his license. I did the same for Noise Engineering's Loquelic Iteratis, in which I did my own take on the Summation Synthesis engine based on his code.

I don't plan on doing commercial clones, especially without manufacturers' permissions. Native Instruments already did extremely direct clones of Make Noise's DPO and Rene (take a look at the Timbre section, in which the shape control goes through the same waveforms as the DPO), so it seems to me like they're not interested in creating sanctioned clones with partner companies.

My other reasons for not doing direct commercial clones:

-Cloning hardware directly into software is often a bad idea for interface reasons. Take Peaks, for example. Peaks is a brilliant design for Eurorack, as it crams so much functionality into a small, low cost module. However, in software, it would be odd to force so many features into a small interface when interface size doesn't matter. When I copied the Braids' models, I purposefully broke them into independent oscillators for exactly this reason. It would take a ridiculous amount of work to set up an engine-switching knob with proper DSP management. The only thing you really lose is META mode, and you can create your own META mode by combining the oscillators that you actually want with a switch Block (Plus, different pitch and settings per osc...).

-Education. The main reason I created Euro Reakt is for my dissertation, in which I'm developing an educational framework for teaching my students modular synthesis. With a lot of Eurorack modules, we've found that we spend too much time teaching the interfaces of complicated, feature-packed modules to students without them absorbing how they actually work. For instance, we've had a lot more luck teaching a student how to use a Function instead of Maths. In that regard, I'm trying to keep it down to one function per Block.
Flohr
thelizard one function per Block makes the most sense. The whole necessity of multifunction modules in Euro has to do with hp and $. In Reaktor that isn't an issue. There are somethings that obviously it makes sense to combine of course. But on the whole I get the approach. Why make a Braids in software when you can have the separate Braids oscillators?
Bacchus
thelizard wrote:

I don't plan on doing commercial clones, especially without manufacturers' permissions. Native Instruments already did extremely direct clones of Make Noise's DPO and Rene (take a look at the Timbre section, in which the shape control goes through the same waveforms as the DPO), so it seems to me like they're not interested in creating sanctioned clones with partner companies.
.


Just wanted to chime in here as someone who worked on the DWG - it's really not intended at all as a clone of the DPO. The shape knob is the only place it takes its cues directly from MakeNoise, the rest is closer in spirit to a 259. The actual wavefolder itself is a different topology to the one used by Buchla or MakeNoise - it's probably closer to Serge or a Toppo TWF than anything else. The 2 osc + folder complex oscillator archetype is one that's been done many times by many different manufacturers now. With the DWG, we wanted to try and bring together the best bits of all these designs, rather than clone one in particular.

As for the topic of working with specific manufacturers to clone their modules - I'd say in general direct cloning is not worth the effort. It sets up an expectation of exactly equivalent sound and behaviour which requires a huge amount of work to really nail. As a dev, it's much more attractive to instead do our own take on a particular module type, filter style, whatever. It's much more satisfying (and better for everyone IMO) to come up with something that has the same uses, but sounds good in your own way.
listentoaheartbeat
Bacchus wrote:
Just wanted to chime in here as someone who worked on the DWG - it's really not intended at all as a clone of the DPO. The shape knob is the only place it takes its cues directly from MakeNoise


It's also worth noting that the waveform going into the "left side" of the 'SHAPE' knob is not necessarily a sine wave like on the DPO. It is fed by the output of the 'Wave CARRIER' knob that blends between the available waveforms for the CARRIER oscillator. So you can not only blend from sine to spike to spikey triangle, but also from triangle/saw/square (as well as in-betweens) to spike to spikey triangle. 'Wave CARRIER' can be modulated as well, which allows for a whole new layer of animation.
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Bacchus wrote:
Just wanted to chime in here as someone who worked on the DWG - it's really not intended at all as a clone of the DPO. The shape knob is the only place it takes its cues directly from MakeNoise


It's also worth noting that the waveform going into the "left side" of the 'SHAPE' knob is not necessarily a sine wave like on the DPO. It is fed by the output of the 'Wave CARRIER' knob that blends between the available waveforms for the CARRIER oscillator. So you can not only blend from sine to spike to spikey triangle, but also from triangle/saw/square (as well as in-betweens) to spike to spikey triangle. 'Wave CARRIER' can be modulated as well, which allows for a whole new layer of animation.


Yes, my words sounded a bit harsher than I intended, and I apologize for that.

I did find the DSP in the new Blocks to be very educational, and I appreciate that you've made them open-source. Around the time they came out, I extracted the Timbre circuit and made it generic for any oscillator. Since the Timbre implementation depends on having a triangle and square from the incoming oscillator, I replaced the square with a comparator, and filtered that for a "triangle". The LPG implementation is exceptional, and is something I use frequently.

I suppose I was mainly uncomfortable with the XYS, since the Rene is still (to my knowledge) a rather unique design.
Kitai
Bacchus wrote:
thelizard wrote:

I don't plan on doing commercial clones, especially without manufacturers' permissions. Native Instruments already did extremely direct clones of Make Noise's DPO and Rene (take a look at the Timbre section, in which the shape control goes through the same waveforms as the DPO), so it seems to me like they're not interested in creating sanctioned clones with partner companies.
.


Just wanted to chime in here as someone who worked on the DWG - it's really not intended at all as a clone of the DPO. The shape knob is the only place it takes its cues directly from MakeNoise, the rest is closer in spirit to a 259. The actual wavefolder itself is a different topology to the one used by Buchla or MakeNoise - it's probably closer to Serge or a Toppo TWF than anything else. The 2 osc + folder complex oscillator archetype is one that's been done many times by many different manufacturers now. With the DWG, we wanted to try and bring together the best bits of all these designs, rather than clone one in particular.

As for the topic of working with specific manufacturers to clone their modules - I'd say in general direct cloning is not worth the effort. It sets up an expectation of exactly equivalent sound and behaviour which requires a huge amount of work to really nail. As a dev, it's much more attractive to instead do our own take on a particular module type, filter style, whatever. It's much more satisfying (and better for everyone IMO) to come up with something that has the same uses, but sounds good in your own way.


What your saying actually makes a lot of sense. You guys can stand on your own two feet, and make some awesome blocks, and taking inspiration is not stealing at all. Its actually nice to know that you guys have a lot of passion about your blocks, and it shows you care about giving people a chance to have fun and enjoy creating music with them.

I just hope your team continues to develop more blocks in 2016, sooner than later.
Gribs
I caved this AM.

I tried to hold out until Reaktor 6 comes out in the next Komplete (assuming this happens), but I needed something new to dig into at home... something technical and not work-related. I did the Reaktor tutorials (from the original paper books from NI that had to be ordered separately at one time) ages ago and decided at the it felt too much like work. Now... things have changed and I want to try again. It was either this, diving into Kontakt scripting, or learning Lua and UVI Script and trying my hand making some stuff for Falcon.

So... I am playing catch up and falling into the Blocks rabbit hole.

Honestly, I think that re-learning the basics and using the factory stuff might last me a while, but besides Euro Reakt, are there any "must have" user library blocks that anyone suggests? I would like to be able to get to the point of making and sharing my own stuff, but that will not be for a long time.
thelizard
Gribs wrote:
I caved this AM.

I tried to hold out until Reaktor 6 comes out in the next Komplete (assuming this happens), but I needed something new to dig into at home... something technical and not work-related. I did the Reaktor tutorials (from the original paper books from NI that had to be ordered separately at one time) ages ago and decided at the it felt too much like work. Now... things have changed and I want to try again. It was either this, diving into Kontakt scripting, or learning Lua and UVI Script and trying my hand making some stuff for Falcon.

So... I am playing catch up and falling into the Blocks rabbit hole.

Honestly, I think that re-learning the basics and using the factory stuff might last me a while, but besides Euro Reakt, are there any "must have" user library blocks that anyone suggests? I would like to be able to get to the point of making and sharing my own stuff, but that will not be for a long time.


Everything by Sandy Small and Colugo. Brett L has some great oscillator packs (Stuff like https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9091/)

Sorting by Most Downloaded is a good place to start:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/blocks/18/all/all/all/downloads/all/

Welcome to the R6 community thumbs up
Gribs
thelizard wrote:
Welcome to the R6 community thumbs up


Thank you!
Worwell
Guitar through Jim Hurley's excellent Dispersion effects: http://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-li brary/entry/show/9029/[s]

https://soundcloud.com/worwell/reaktor-guitar
Worwell
Gribs wrote:
I caved this AM.

I tried to hold out until Reaktor 6 comes out in the next Komplete (assuming this happens), but I needed something new to dig into at home... something technical and not work-related. I did the Reaktor tutorials (from the original paper books from NI that had to be ordered separately at one time) ages ago and decided at the it felt too much like work. Now... things have changed and I want to try again. It was either this, diving into Kontakt scripting, or learning Lua and UVI Script and trying my hand making some stuff for Falcon.

So... I am playing catch up and falling into the Blocks rabbit hole.

Honestly, I think that re-learning the basics and using the factory stuff might last me a while, but besides Euro Reakt, are there any "must have" user library blocks that anyone suggests? I would like to be able to get to the point of making and sharing my own stuff, but that will not be for a long time.


Colugo's granmaster is essential. Other great ones: Eucliadian Rotator, NI's Christmas gift Blocks Wired, and many more. of the Eurorack stuff, check out the Complex Oscillator - its the gift the keeps on giving. Enjoy.
Worwell
Bacchus wrote:
thelizard wrote:

I don't plan on doing commercial clones, especially without manufacturers' permissions. Native Instruments already did extremely direct clones of Make Noise's DPO and Rene (take a look at the Timbre section, in which the shape control goes through the same waveforms as the DPO), so it seems to me like they're not interested in creating sanctioned clones with partner companies.
.


Just wanted to chime in here as someone who worked on the DWG - it's really not intended at all as a clone of the DPO. The shape knob is the only place it takes its cues directly from MakeNoise, the rest is closer in spirit to a 259. The actual wavefolder itself is a different topology to the one used by Buchla or MakeNoise - it's probably closer to Serge or a Toppo TWF than anything else. The 2 osc + folder complex oscillator archetype is one that's been done many times by many different manufacturers now. With the DWG, we wanted to try and bring together the best bits of all these designs, rather than clone one in particular.

As for the topic of working with specific manufacturers to clone their modules - I'd say in general direct cloning is not worth the effort. It sets up an expectation of exactly equivalent sound and behaviour which requires a huge amount of work to really nail. As a dev, it's much more attractive to instead do our own take on a particular module type, filter style, whatever. It's much more satisfying (and better for everyone IMO) to come up with something that has the same uses, but sounds good in your own way.


Thanks for the great work on these. The whole Wired package is incredible. Seriously the best Christmas gift I received this year.
plastisaw
Worwell wrote:


Thanks for the great work on these. The whole Wired package is incredible. Seriously the best Christmas gift I received this year.


+1 thank you so much
Worwell
Would be nice to have a Reaktor eurorack module.
Kitai
Worwell wrote:
Would be nice to have a Reaktor eurorack module.



Reaktor is a vast software program, and you cant fit even a fraction of its features in one singular module. Expert Sleepers has modules that already interface your computer with Eurorack. Now if you were to request NI to make a module that sends multiple CV and Gates via USB, then that is a much more feasible possibility. Again, other manufacturers have solutions already. Expert Sleepers being at the top spot currently.

Now to be more specific, what NI should consider is making a core set of eurorack modules as midi controllers to integrate the software. So as you build a base system of midi controller modules, you can pair a Reaktor block with the said module. Also, it could have the same input jacks as eurorack, so when you start patching, Reaktor recognizes the patches and sets itself up automatically. NI could sell it as a system. OSC, Modulation, Utility so on. That way each category module can integrate all sub categories within reaktor to the said module. Then you can expand each category module as you see fit. So NI starts you out with one of each, then you can build it from there. What makes the idea great is that since they are controllers, you can add some really nice interface designs, and LED lights similar to their keyboard controllers. A $500 starter system is reasonable, and they could sell expander cases like the mother 32 to grow your NI modules
Worwell
Kitai wrote:
Worwell wrote:
Would be nice to have a Reaktor eurorack module.



Reaktor is a vast software program, and you cant fit even a fraction of its features in one singular module. Expert Sleepers has modules that already interface your computer with Eurorack. Now if you were to request NI to make a module that sends multiple CV and Gates via USB, then that is a much more feasible possibility. Again, other manufacturers have solutions already. Expert Sleepers being at the top spot currently.

Now to be more specific, what NI should consider is making a core set of eurorack modules as midi controllers to integrate the software. So as you build a base system of midi controller modules, you can pair a Reaktor block with the said module. Also, it could have the same input jacks as eurorack, so when you start patching, Reaktor recognizes the patches and sets itself up automatically. NI could sell it as a system. OSC, Modulation, Utility so on. That way each category module can integrate all sub categories within reaktor to the said module. Then you can expand each category module as you see fit. So NI starts you out with one of each, then you can build it from there. What makes the idea great is that since they are controllers, you can add some really nice interface designs, and LED lights similar to their keyboard controllers. A $500 starter system is reasonable, and they could sell expander cases like the mother 32 to grow your NI modules


Sounds like a great idea.
Worwell
A jam using some of the The Lizard's indispensable blocks.



moderator edit: embedded your video for you smile
mwvm
is there a sequencer out there with slide that is greater than 8 steps?
Worwell
[quote=moderator edit: embedded your video for you smile[/quote]

Thank you. Couldn't figure that out for the life of me...
Worwell
Or do quotes right... I give up.
Worwell
mwvm wrote:
is there a sequencer out there with slide that is greater than 8 steps?


Not that I know of but this 16 step block entry said it would be added to this in a future update: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9141/
chamomileshark
does anyone remember if upgrades are included in the NI sales? I don't think they are. I know I couldn't use my vocher.

Other question - someone said there are no new ensembles (except maybe Blocks wired) but I saw something that suggested there might be - monarkmicro and quad something were mentioned.
Worwell
chamomileshark wrote:
does anyone remember if upgrades are included in the NI sales? I don't think they are. I know I couldn't use my vocher.

Other question - someone said there are no new ensembles (except maybe Blocks wired) but I saw something that suggested there might be - monarkmicro and quad something were mentioned.


Not sure about the voucher issue but with respect to new ensembles, Reaktor 6 came with a some good ones made of the new blocks, including the MonarkMicro and quad something. The Wired gift offered some more West Coast flavored ensembles. All of this stuff is great, not to mention some of the genius stuff in the User Library.
chamomileshark
hi yes, I'm still on Reaktor 5 so I can see there's alot going into the UL.

Vouchers were definately not usable for upgrades - what I can't remember is if NI has had discounts on the upgrade which is actually fairly steep this time.

Trying to decide if I should do the upgrade nowish or wait for a sale..or wait for Komplete 11 - I'm currently on Komplete 9
Worwell
Its a tough call. I couldn't wait but then again, I got out of the Komplete game after 10 - just too many (usually mediocre) options and just concentrated on Reaktor, which I use all the time. If you will use the Blocks, I'd say its worth it. If not, there's not much a difference between 5 and 6.
chamomileshark
As you say, a tough call. I'll probably have more of a play with blocks to get a better feel for it.

Like you I have loads of NI bits in Komplete I don't use and that always leaves me feeling a bit guilty.
listentoaheartbeat
mwvm wrote:
is there a sequencer out there with slide that is greater than 8 steps?


You can use the slew function on the CVP Block to add glide/portamento to any sequencer.
Worwell
Worwell wrote:
A jam using some of the The Lizard's indispensable blocks.



moderator edit: embedded your video for you smile


Moderator: This is really bad but I can't figure out the video embed. I hit the video tab, and paste the you tube url in there but it doesn't work. Please advise an idiot.
Jamnuska
Will they just bundle this thing with Komplete so I can buy it already? Bad enough it is priced in a real currency.
komyta
Hello to Reaktor 6 users,

I've been using Reaktor 5 since its release and have always found the primary level 4-pole low pass filters (for example the "Multi/LP 4-Pole" module) to sound a little harsh in comparison to the analogue filters I'm used to.

I read somewhere that the new filters sound better (smoother?).
What do you think about this ? I wonder if I should upgrade or not...
Worwell
Jamnuska wrote:
Will they just bundle this thing with Komplete so I can buy it already? Bad enough it is priced in a real currency.


I respect your discipline. Komplete 11 should be coming soon, with new versions of Massive and Abysnth perhaps?
mwvm
Any news on these new Blocks mentioned at superbooth?
ignatius
mwvm wrote:
Any news on these new Blocks mentioned at superbooth?


you mean the ones we all just heard about for the very first time just 48 hours ago? the ones the guy in the video says are a month or two away? those reaktor blocks?

razz
mwvm
ignatius wrote:
mwvm wrote:
Any news on these new Blocks mentioned at superbooth?


you mean the ones we all just heard about for the very first time just 48 hours ago? the ones the guy in the video says are a month or two away? those reaktor blocks?

razz


You mean it's not a feasible question? You mean really I shouldn't ask stuff in threads where guys that work for NI have posted?

fap fap fap...
listentoaheartbeat
Find the relevant page from the info leaflet we had at our booth below. There is also a discount available for a short period of time:

Quote:
Get 10% discount on REAKTOR 6 (full version) – only valid until 05.04.2016.*

Use the Code ‘SUPERBOOTH’ at checkout.

*The e-voucher expires automatically if not redeemed before April 5, 2016. It is valid for REAKTOR 6, but NOT for REAKTOR update, and NOT valid for products already on special offer. The e-voucher is personalized and only for use by the appointed addressee/user. It is not transferable and may not be re-sold. The e-voucher can only be redeemed at the NI Online Shop and may not be redeemed for cash. Only one e-voucher can be used per product.


The Maschine Sequencer Block we showed at Superbooth will be uploaded to the Reaktor User Library after some more testing and tweaking by designer and developer Dave Forrester. Ask away if you have any questions about the new Blocks!* thumbs up



*I will not respond to your question if there is a wanking emoticon in your post.
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Find the relevant page from the info leaflet we had at our booth below. There is also a discount available for a short period of time:

Quote:
Get 10% discount on REAKTOR 6 (full version) – only valid until 05.04.2016.*

Use the Code ‘SUPERBOOTH’ at checkout.

*The e-voucher expires automatically if not redeemed before April 5, 2016. It is valid for REAKTOR 6, but NOT for REAKTOR update, and NOT valid for products already on special offer. The e-voucher is personalized and only for use by the appointed addressee/user. It is not transferable and may not be re-sold. The e-voucher can only be redeemed at the NI Online Shop and may not be redeemed for cash. Only one e-voucher can be used per product.


The Maschine Sequencer Block we showed at Superbooth will be uploaded to the Reaktor User Library after some more testing and tweaking by designer and developer Dave Forrester. Ask away if you have any questions about the new Blocks!* thumbs up



*I will not respond to your question if there is a wanking emoticon in your post.


Congrats on this! It's a really terrific step forward for Reaktor.
dubonaire
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Find the relevant page from the info leaflet we had at our booth below.

The Maschine Sequencer Block we showed at Superbooth will be uploaded to the Reaktor User Library after some more testing and tweaking by designer and developer Dave Forrester. Ask away if you have any questions about the new Blocks!* thumbs up




This looks interesting. I recently purchased Reaktor but haven't had enough time to get to understand it. Is this the thing that could mean I should get Maschine?
mwvm
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Find the relevant page from the info leaflet we had at our booth below. There is also a discount available for a short period of time:

Quote:
Get 10% discount on REAKTOR 6 (full version) – only valid until 05.04.2016.*

Use the Code ‘SUPERBOOTH’ at checkout.

*The e-voucher expires automatically if not redeemed before April 5, 2016. It is valid for REAKTOR 6, but NOT for REAKTOR update, and NOT valid for products already on special offer. The e-voucher is personalized and only for use by the appointed addressee/user. It is not transferable and may not be re-sold. The e-voucher can only be redeemed at the NI Online Shop and may not be redeemed for cash. Only one e-voucher can be used per product.


The Maschine Sequencer Block we showed at Superbooth will be uploaded to the Reaktor User Library after some more testing and tweaking by designer and developer Dave Forrester. Ask away if you have any questions about the new Blocks!* thumbs up



*I will not respond to your question if there is a wanking emoticon in your post.



Thanks. This is looking great.

Will there be an update or are the blocks going to all appear as user blocks?

After a few months of eurorack/es-3 integration I can confirm reaktor is solid (as opposed to M4L/ableton/oscillot where I expect crashes) if a little cpu heavy.

I'm lookingforward to trying these out! Especially, external midi equipment.

Quick question - what are the limitations with midi cc ref audio rate? Let's say I want to send an LFO or FM to a external midi device has anyone tested this?
Entrainer
mwvm wrote:

Will there be an update or are the blocks going to all appear as user blocks?


Text on picture seems to point to a Blocks 1.2 update (not user library).
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
Congrats on this! It's a really terrific step forward for Reaktor.


Yes, I think Dave did a great job with these. thumbs up

It's been a hell lot of fun to jam with Blocks, the Maschine controller, and the modular at Superbooth. We have done more videos there which will hopefully pop up soon. Ben 'DivKid' did one where I show the integrated use case.

dubonaire wrote:
This looks interesting. I recently purchased Reaktor but haven't had enough time to get to understand it. Is this the thing that could mean I should get Maschine?


Frankly, I am only using my Maschine with the new Maschine Sequencer Block at the moment.. wink

mwvm wrote:
Quick question - what are the limitations with midi cc ref audio rate? Let's say I want to send an LFO or FM to a external midi device has anyone tested this?


I've not tried this, actually. Will give it a go tonight. This will mainly depend on how the specific MIDI device deals with quick parameter changes though.

Entrainer wrote:
mwvm wrote:

Will there be an update or are the blocks going to all appear as user blocks?


Text on picture seems to point to a Blocks 1.2 update (not user library).


Yeah, the three Blocks shown above are contained in the Blocks 1.2 update. The Maschine Sequencer is going to be released in the RUL.
chamomileshark
this is making the R6 upgrade ever more attractive.

Can anyone recall if when NI have sales if the upgrades are included? I know the vouchers aren't but I can't remember if the upgrades are.
thelizard
Hi everyone,

Native Sessions videos have been posted!

Here is my demonstration of interfacing Reaktor with Eurorack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4TNaJm-3M

Here's the entire video series. There's a lot of great information here!
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/best-of-native-sessions- reaktor/
chamomileshark
but I would thought it's not just eurorack surely? currently I'm using a number of R5 sequencers to send midi pitch & gate data to my Midi-CV converter. I also think some of the R5 sequencers can send other CC data.
shreeswifty
thelizard wrote:
Hi everyone,

Native Sessions videos have been posted!

Here is my demonstration of interfacing Reaktor with Eurorack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4TNaJm-3M

Here's the entire video series. There's a lot of great information here!
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/best-of-native-sessions- reaktor/


Mike this is cool and i recall you did something similar with Max too, Bravo. I am using them with Expert Sleepers/M4L and Novation hardware for big fun.
Also good for you working with Curtis and i agree on the OVERLY engineering bent. Have you gazed at Gareth loy's Musimathics Vol2? Is he kidding with that? That's 200 pages of equations going over 90% of people's heads.

I'm curious what you have done with SC

Patrick
Digital Worlds Institute
University of Florida
listentoaheartbeat
deStrict wrote:
Release date for new blocks ? smile


We are aiming for an (early) May release.
thelizard
shreeswifty wrote:
thelizard wrote:
Hi everyone,

Native Sessions videos have been posted!

Here is my demonstration of interfacing Reaktor with Eurorack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4TNaJm-3M

Here's the entire video series. There's a lot of great information here!
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/best-of-native-sessions- reaktor/


Mike this is cool and i recall you did something similar with Max too, Bravo. I am using them with Expert Sleepers/M4L and Novation hardware for big fun.
Also good for you working with Curtis and i agree on the OVERLY engineering bent. Have you gazed at Gareth loy's Musimathics Vol2? Is he kidding with that? That's 200 pages of equations going over 90% of people's heads.

I'm curious what you have done with SC

Patrick
Digital Worlds Institute
University of Florida


Thanks! Euromax was my first major DSP project, and it's been totally demolished by the excellent BEAP and Oscillot packages. Still, it was released for Max 5, and I was pretty proud of it.

I've taken a look at Musimathics, but it's been a long time.

Regarding SuperCollider, I haven't done too much. I absolutely love the "sound" of SC, and I've found the source code to be immensely valuable for learning purposes. Still, I've never become comfortable enough with the language where I can achieve a solid flow state and compose freely. A few years ago, I wrote an interactive SuperCollider tutorial for starting SC composition. I've posted it here: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15917&start=25
jkaczmarek
Does anyone know me know how to chain together 3 Reaktor 6 Bento Blocks 8 Step sequencers to form a single 24 step sequencer? Basically, play the 8 steps of sequencer A, followed by the 8 steps of sequencer B, then the 8 steps of sequencer C... And then begin again at sequencer A.
Matos
Well in real life you would use a switch and a clock divider that gives you a pulse every 8 beats.
jkaczmarek
Got it! Thanks so much....
thelizard
jkaczmarek wrote:
Got it! Thanks so much....


For the Clock Divider, use the Standard Library one. For the switch, use my 8-way Switch in the Euro Reakt library. Just set the max count to 3.
Kummer
Here is a stupid question. Where is everyone putting their community modules/Blocks downloaded from NI's Reaktor Library? I just downloaded the Euro reakt package and am looking for a place to put it. Though I've had Reaktor for a long time I've never really downloaded any of the user created stuff till just recently.

Edit: I'm on a Mac if that makes a difference
Entrainer
Kummer wrote:
Here is a stupid question. Where is everyone putting their community modules/Blocks downloaded from NI's Reaktor Library?

Edit: I'm on a Mac if that makes a difference


I'm putting mine in Macintosh HD/users/shared/reaktor blocks/library/
Kummer
Entrainer wrote:
I'm putting mine in Macintosh HD/users/shared/reaktor blocks/library/


Ok, thanks for the tip Entrainer!
scottmoon
I never thought I would love a software synth so much. thumbs up
mwvm
Kummer wrote:
Here is a stupid question. Where is everyone putting their community modules/Blocks downloaded from NI's Reaktor Library? I just downloaded the Euro reakt package and am looking for a place to put it. Though I've had Reaktor for a long time I've never really downloaded any of the user created stuff till just recently.

Edit: I'm on a Mac if that makes a difference



This is one thing I think oscillot has the advantage on reaktor. Folder surfing for modules can be very faffy. Especially going from user to factory folders.
mwvm
The beauty to me of blocks is using the CV modulation and sequencing with the ES-3. I've replaced most of my cv eurorack modules because of reaktor.

The reason why I replaced so-called tactile intuitive hardware was quite simple. Firstly, costs. Secondly, the scope of adjustment is very precise - you can tailor modulation with high accuracy and not be frustrated by lack of offsets, uni, bi +-5V limitations.

I assume most eurorack users have fed cv into a module and expected more and felt a little underwhelmed with the results. Reaktor kisses goodbye to this problem because of the excellent modules integrate so well with the ES-3.

Even things like a 8 step sequencer. 8 steps? It's not a lot. However, no problem, use 2, 3 or 4 sequencers with sequential switching.... You just can't do this with hardware without being very rich.

I can't wait for a new update. What I would like is a comprehensive sampler/looper with the ability to record audio.
listentoaheartbeat
mwvm wrote:
Kummer wrote:
Here is a stupid question. Where is everyone putting their community modules/Blocks downloaded from NI's Reaktor Library? I just downloaded the Euro reakt package and am looking for a place to put it. Though I've had Reaktor for a long time I've never really downloaded any of the user created stuff till just recently.

Edit: I'm on a Mac if that makes a difference



This is one thing I think oscillot has the advantage on reaktor. Folder surfing for modules can be very faffy. Especially going from user to factory folders.


You can have all your Blocks in one place if you put them in /Users/Shared/Reaktor blocks/Library/<your custom user Blocks folder> as Entrainer mentioned (C:\Users\Public\Documents\Reaktor Blocks\Library on Win). Here I have added a custom Blocks folder named "Other":



Alternatively, add a Blocks folder to the User Library under /Users/<your user name>/Documents/Native Instruments/Reaktor 6/Library. It will show up in the User Library Pane:

Entrainer
listentoaheartbeat wrote:

The Maschine Sequencer Block we showed at Superbooth will be uploaded to the Reaktor User Library after some more testing and tweaking by designer and developer Dave Forrester. Ask away if you have any questions about the new Blocks! thumbs up


Hello,

Will the Maschine Sequencer Block also work with Maschine mk1?
listentoaheartbeat
Entrainer wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:

The Maschine Sequencer Block we showed at Superbooth will be uploaded to the Reaktor User Library after some more testing and tweaking by designer and developer Dave Forrester. Ask away if you have any questions about the new Blocks! thumbs up


Hello,

Will the Maschine Sequencer Block also work with Maschine mk1?


It directly supports only the MK2. You can however create your own Controller Editor template for the MK1 and learn it to the sequencer controls. Visual feedback will be limited however.
devslashnull
Alright I think I'm sold on Reaktor 6, any advice on integration choices?

I've got a dc-coupled interface in the post (motu 828x) do I still need an ES-3 or will a bunch of floating ring cables be sufficient?
DSC
devslashnull wrote:
Alright I think I'm sold on Reaktor 6, any advice on integration choices?

I've got a dc-coupled interface in the post (motu 828x) do I still need an ES-3 or will a bunch of floating ring cables be sufficient?


Just depends on if you are wanting any inputs to allow for euro OSC/filter tuning.
Kummer
Awesome, thanks listentoaheartbeat!
devslashnull
DSC wrote:
devslashnull wrote:
Alright I think I'm sold on Reaktor 6, any advice on integration choices?

I've got a dc-coupled interface in the post (motu 828x) do I still need an ES-3 or will a bunch of floating ring cables be sufficient?


Just depends on if you are wanting any inputs to allow for euro OSC/filter tuning.


Ahh right so I'd miss out on the auto calibration stuff, that seems like a pretty big loss. Sounds like ES-3 it is then.
thelizard
devslashnull wrote:
DSC wrote:
devslashnull wrote:
Alright I think I'm sold on Reaktor 6, any advice on integration choices?

I've got a dc-coupled interface in the post (motu 828x) do I still need an ES-3 or will a bunch of floating ring cables be sufficient?


Just depends on if you are wanting any inputs to allow for euro OSC/filter tuning.


Ahh right so I'd miss out on the auto calibration stuff, that seems like a pretty big loss. Sounds like ES-3 it is then.


No, you can do the auto-calibration stuff with just your audio interface. The outputs need to send DC, but the inputs just need audio (since you're calibrating an oscillator). The only thing you need an ES-3 for is if you need 8 more channels, or if you want an ES-6 (which gives you CV inputs for the computer... you can modulate Reaktor Blocks with your hardware modules, which is what I do in the video).
devslashnull
thelizard wrote:
devslashnull wrote:
DSC wrote:
devslashnull wrote:
Alright I think I'm sold on Reaktor 6, any advice on integration choices?

I've got a dc-coupled interface in the post (motu 828x) do I still need an ES-3 or will a bunch of floating ring cables be sufficient?


Just depends on if you are wanting any inputs to allow for euro OSC/filter tuning.


Ahh right so I'd miss out on the auto calibration stuff, that seems like a pretty big loss. Sounds like ES-3 it is then.


No, you can do the auto-calibration stuff with just your audio interface. The outputs need to send DC, but the inputs just need audio (since you're calibrating an oscillator). The only thing you need an ES-3 for is if you need 8 more channels, or if you want an ES-6 (which gives you CV inputs for the computer... you can modulate Reaktor Blocks with your hardware modules, which is what I do in the video).


Fantastic! Thanks for the clarification.
shreeswifty
I am using the ES-40/ESX8CV/ESX8GT and the ESX8CV is Tuned Already so you just adjust the pitch you want on your osc and it's in tune.

Mike, would you be willing to share a template for reaktor? I have been working with Max for so long that my Reaktor skills have taken a hit.
Icaro Ferrare Also made some WONDERFUL Buchla-esque Reaktor ensembles called "West" that i would love to see broken out and Euro-sized.

I have a chaos/fractal algo i would love to turn into a generative CV block.
I'm digging this thread. I guess i am not an Analog Modular purist. I DO have several sputnik and Verbos modules but i am liking connect M4L/MIDI [Endorphin.es Shuttle], Expert Sleepers and now potentially Reaktor to my rig
thelizard
shreeswifty wrote:
I am using the ES-40/ESX8CV/ESX8GT and the ESX8CV is Tuned Already so you just adjust the pitch you want on your osc and it's in tune.

Mike, would you be willing to share a template for reaktor? I have been working with Max for so long that my Reaktor skills have taken a hit.
Icaro Ferrare Also made some WONDERFUL Buchla-esque Reaktor ensembles called "West" that i would love to see broken out and Euro-sized.

I have a chaos/fractal algo i would love to turn into a generative CV block.
I'm digging this thread. I guess i am not an Analog Modular purist. I DO have several sputnik and Verbos modules but i am liking connect M4L/MIDI [Endorphin.es Shuttle], Expert Sleepers and now potentially Reaktor to my rig


What kind of template would you be looking for? I could post one, but it would only really be useful for the MOTU Ultralite AVB, since that's what I use.
shreeswifty
if you have an ableton session i could switch it up just to see how you are using Reaktor, that would be fun
thelizard
mwvm wrote:

I can't wait for a new update. What I would like is a comprehensive sampler/looper with the ability to record audio.


As a heads up, this was just posted:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9949/?refresh=n5a02pf5hpr0jd06by1zto6r

I expect to see a few Blocks that take this foundation and run with it.
shreeswifty
THAT has some very interesting possibilities indeed.
mwvm
thelizard wrote:
mwvm wrote:

I can't wait for a new update. What I would like is a comprehensive sampler/looper with the ability to record audio.


As a heads up, this was just posted:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9949/?refresh=n5a02pf5hpr0jd06by1zto6r

I expect to see a few Blocks that take this foundation and run with it.


this is kinda cool thumbs up
Datasette
That new Blocks combined with that ES-40 ensemble has been a revelation. Besides a kind of wierdo workflow running from PC to my modular and back it has replaced all sequencer work and if I need an aditional random voltage/adsr/lfo etc. i'll just patch in a block to the expander. Reaktor as programming language still seems rather dull. Way to less comfort ( I want an stable event bus!!!) and that wiring programming is a nightmare. So basicly the modular expansion and the premade ensembles are more than enough value for me. And another important plus point contrasting MAX is that it is really stable!!
DSC
Excited to use these new blocks. Enough to make a combined panel for my ES stuff!



yghartsyrt
Datasette wrote:
That new Blocks combined with that ES-40 ensemble has been a revelation. Besides a kind of wierdo workflow running from PC to my modular and back it has replaced all sequencer work and if I need an aditional random voltage/adsr/lfo etc. i'll just patch in a block to the expander. Reaktor as programming language still seems rather dull. Way to less comfort ( I want an stable event bus!!!) and that wiring programming is a nightmare. So basicly the modular expansion and the premade ensembles are more than enough value for me. And another important plus point contrasting MAX is that it is really stable!!


Which new blocks with es-40? Does this mean there is not need for an Es-40 encoder plugin?
shreeswifty
Datasette wrote:
That new Blocks combined with that ES-40 ensemble has been a revelation. Besides a kind of wierdo workflow running from PC to my modular and back it has replaced all sequencer work and if I need an aditional random voltage/adsr/lfo etc. i'll just patch in a block to the expander. Reaktor as programming language still seems rather dull. Way to less comfort ( I want an stable event bus!!!) and that wiring programming is a nightmare. So basicly the modular expansion and the premade ensembles are more than enough value for me. And another important plus point contrasting MAX is that it is really stable!!



I am doing the same thing. I grabbed the Amazing Machines CV Mixer and have been testing some of those cool Fractal/Chaotic Oscs for interesting CVs with some very simple patching i am getting a NICE variety between
Max4LIve (encoderaudio plugins)
Numerology Pro4
Reaktor6
SilentWay


Kind of wishing i had another ESX8CV for another set of 4 stereo pairs.

That lead me to the question, i seem to be locked in to 1/2, 3/4, 5,6, 7,8 for outs coming from the ESX8CV, the seem like stereo pairs, maybe it's because i used a template but are you running mono signals out of the ESX8CV? like 1-8 mono CVs? Does that make sense?
megamaeng
Michael Hetrick and Richard Devine's Native Sessions videos have inspired me to look into getting into reaktor 6 for generative musical environments. I'll still probably use ableton live in a standard way when I have to get down to writing a track but for fun and for a challenge I'm really excited about using blocks to take me places I may not have gone with a standard piano roll.

My question is whether it's possible to record multiple tracks of audio simultaneously within reaktor for editing later? I realize that I can probably open it up as a plugin within ableton but I like the idea of not opening up ableton and forcing myself to create everything within reaktor. I realize this is kind of a silly restriction to place on myself but was just curious before I bought reaktor. Thanks! thumbs up
thelizard
megamaeng wrote:
Michael Hetrick and Richard Devine's Native Sessions videos have inspired me to look into getting into reaktor 6 for generative musical environments. I'll still probably use ableton live in a standard way when I have to get down to writing a track but for fun and for a challenge I'm really excited about using blocks to take me places I may not have gone with a standard piano roll.

My question is whether it's possible to record multiple tracks of audio simultaneously within reaktor for editing later? I realize that I can probably open it up as a plugin within ableton but I like the idea of not opening up ableton and forcing myself to create everything within reaktor. I realize this is kind of a silly restriction to place on myself but was just curious before I bought reaktor. Thanks! thumbs up


Much appreciated!

From my experience, I think the internal recorder is only good for one stereo track at a time. It's fairly bare-bones, but I use it all the time while experimenting.

Here's the quote from the "Diving Deeper" manual:
"The File Recorder enables you to record an Ensemble's audio output from its first two Audio
Outputs. The recorded audio signal is written to an audio file on your disk."
Worwell
Reaktor User Library again FTW

Worwell
megamaeng wrote:
Michael Hetrick and Richard Devine's Native Sessions videos have inspired me to look into getting into reaktor 6 for generative musical environments. I'll still probably use ableton live in a standard way when I have to get down to writing a track but for fun and for a challenge I'm really excited about using blocks to take me places I may not have gone with a standard piano roll.

My question is whether it's possible to record multiple tracks of audio simultaneously within reaktor for editing later? I realize that I can probably open it up as a plugin within ableton but I like the idea of not opening up ableton and forcing myself to create everything within reaktor. I realize this is kind of a silly restriction to place on myself but was just curious before I bought reaktor. Thanks! thumbs up


I love Reaktor 6. The User Library is incredible and the Blocks format is great for generative stuff. Its a CPU drain though. Unless you have a reasonably fast computer, its going to struggle. Even with a the fastest laptop, you'll get bogged down with some of the ensembles. Richard uploaded one recently called CPU Killer or something like that and it lived up to its name.
megamaeng
thelizard wrote:


From my experience, I think the internal recorder is only good for one stereo track at a time. It's fairly bare-bones, but I use it all the time while experimenting.



Thanks for the quick response! I kind of expected that limitation. Oh well, maybe I have to learn to embrace two track recording. I guess my next question is am I correct in thinking if I open reaktor from within Ableton that I'll be able to record audio to multiple tracks?

There should be some sort of 4 track recorder block haha
megamaeng
Worwell wrote:

I love Reaktor 6. The User Library is incredible and the Blocks format is great for generative stuff. Its a CPU drain though. Unless you have a reasonably fast computer, its going to struggle. Even with a the fastest laptop, you'll get bogged down with some of the ensembles. Richard uploaded one recently called CPU Killer or something like that and it lived up to its name.


Hmmmm that's a good point. I have pretty much the fastest MacBook Pro but I imagine even that might struggle. I'm looking to do some drums and a couple raw sequenced synth lines without effects other than distortion or bit crushing but I do want to incorporate a lot of the probability based blocks.

Any other YouTube examples of generative stuff with drums? I like watching as much as listening. Those native sessions videos were great!
Worwell
megamaeng wrote:
Worwell wrote:

I love Reaktor 6. The User Library is incredible and the Blocks format is great for generative stuff. Its a CPU drain though. Unless you have a reasonably fast computer, its going to struggle. Even with a the fastest laptop, you'll get bogged down with some of the ensembles. Richard uploaded one recently called CPU Killer or something like that and it lived up to its name.


Hmmmm that's a good point. I have pretty much the fastest MacBook Pro but I imagine even that might struggle. I'm looking to do some drums and a couple raw sequenced synth lines without effects other than distortion or bit crushing but I do want to incorporate a lot of the probability based blocks.

Any other YouTube examples of generative stuff with drums? I like watching as much as listening. Those native sessions videos were great!


It will struggle sometimes but don't let that stop you. Its the best music software imho. The sound is great (as long as its not crackling). Here is a rhythmic jam i did.



And a Buchnla-esque generative piece here:

thelizard
megamaeng wrote:
Worwell wrote:

I love Reaktor 6. The User Library is incredible and the Blocks format is great for generative stuff. Its a CPU drain though. Unless you have a reasonably fast computer, its going to struggle. Even with a the fastest laptop, you'll get bogged down with some of the ensembles. Richard uploaded one recently called CPU Killer or something like that and it lived up to its name.


Hmmmm that's a good point. I have pretty much the fastest MacBook Pro but I imagine even that might struggle. I'm looking to do some drums and a couple raw sequenced synth lines without effects other than distortion or bit crushing but I do want to incorporate a lot of the probability based blocks.

Any other YouTube examples of generative stuff with drums? I like watching as much as listening. Those native sessions videos were great!


You'll be fine. I have a medium-grade MacBook Pro from 2014, and it runs perfectly. I did the NS speech with that laptop. That generative drum patch only hits 15-20% CPU (if I remember correctly... it may actually be lower). If it matters, I'm running it at 44.1 kHz.

The Euro Reakt Blocks are a bit CPU-hungry by design. I have everything running at sampling rate to better simulate how a hardware modular works. This means every parameter is available for audio-rate modulation.
DSC
thelizard wrote:


This means every parameter is available for audio-rate modulation.


You rock! YESSSSS screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
listentoaheartbeat
DSC wrote:
thelizard wrote:


This means every parameter is available for audio-rate modulation.


You rock! YESSSSS screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo


He does rock, but this is how the Blocks framework works in general. Builders could still create Blocks that do not meet this requirement (I suppose not every Block in the RUL does), however all factory Blocks are designed to support audio-rate modulation and the template facilitates this as well. It was one of the main requirements when the Blocks connection scheme was specified.
DSC
Good to know. I am a complete newb to Blocks.
rbhansen
Wanted to share that the link to the Reaktor Blocks manual on the Native-Instruments site is currently incorrect in that it links to the Blocks Wired manual instead.

So, if you're looking for the Reaktor Blocks manual you can either access it through the program itself (though it's a pt version behind) or download it here: https://www.native-instruments.com/fileadmin/ni_media/downloads/manual s/REAKTOR_Blocks_Manual_English_12_2015.pdf

I point this out because if you're new to Reaktor, this looks like a pretty important manual to have a look at.

I've let NI know about this...hopefully they'll address. Also, apologies if this has been posted before; I tried to check but MW search is returning null results.
chamomileshark
thanks for this.

I'm planning to upgrade from R5 - just a question of when. I can't remember if upgrades were included in sales previously - I don't think they were so maybe I should just go ahead when I've saved up.

But then I guess the new Komplete might be out end of this year and as I've got K9 I'd be better off waiting for that.
DSC
rbhansen wrote:


So, if you're looking for the Reaktor Blocks manual you can either access it through the program itself (though it's a pt version behind) or download it here: https://www.native-instruments.com/fileadmin/ni_media/downloads/manual s/REAKTOR_Blocks_Manual_English_12_2015.pdf



Thank you for this. Very helpful.
listentoaheartbeat
rbhansen wrote:
Wanted to share that the link to the Reaktor Blocks manual on the Native-Instruments site is currently incorrect in that it links to the Blocks Wired manual instead.

So, if you're looking for the Reaktor Blocks manual you can either access it through the program itself (though it's a pt version behind) or download it here: https://www.native-instruments.com/fileadmin/ni_media/downloads/manual s/REAKTOR_Blocks_Manual_English_12_2015.pdf

I point this out because if you're new to Reaktor, this looks like a pretty important manual to have a look at.

I've let NI know about this...hopefully they'll address. Also, apologies if this has been posted before; I tried to check but MW search is returning null results.


Thanks for pointing this out, I will make sure it is fixed asap. I am currently working on a Manual update which will include several bug fixes and improvements (especially optimized page breaks) as well as a reference section covering all Blocks and their parameters (based on the Info Hints in the software). It is going to be released as part of Blocks 1.2.
listentoaheartbeat
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
rbhansen wrote:
Wanted to share that the link to the Reaktor Blocks manual on the Native-Instruments site is currently incorrect in that it links to the Blocks Wired manual instead.


Thanks for pointing this out, I will make sure it is fixed asap.


Fixed!

http://www.native-instruments.com/de/products/komplete/synths/reaktor- 6/downloads/
megamaeng
Has anyone been using blocks for guitar processing or realtime effects in general? I'm trying to decide between this and guitar rig with the use of a midi foot controller for doing noisy fuzzy guitar stuff. While it looks like guitar rig would be better on paper, I'm thinking that reaktor might be better for getting more experimental and unique sounds. Is the Driver Block the only real dirt effect so far? One thing I would need is sub octave/pitch shift stuff from a guitar input. Are there any blocks that would allow me to do that or should I just look into guitar rig?
brackets
A couple of stupid questions...

If in the case I want to integrate my eurorack with blocks:

-Can I enter the audio of my eurorack oscillators, for being filtered or processed (FX) with blocks?? The audio is entering via my modular quarter inch out to my soundcard input, or is it handled with the expert sleepers hardware??

-If the audio it's coming from the soundcard input, I bet it's very dependent on your soundcard and cpu, so there will be some latency...

Maybe I need to read more about the expert sleepers hardware...it's kind of a mistery to me...

Cheers!!
brackets
I see now...

It enters the audio via spdif or lightpipe!

Can you recommend a cheap interface with this requirements (i'll just use it for this, i don'ta mind how many channels have, or the converters....) just spdif enabled.
thelizard
Reaktor 6 comes with two plug-ins: Reaktor 6 and Reaktor 6 FX. You don't need to do anything fancy to get the audio into Reaktor if you can already get it into your DAW. Just drop ReaktorFX onto the track that your oscillators are using.
johny_gtr
Reaktor 6 looks and sounds like first VST/VSTi which is interesting for me.
It's interesting is there anybody who kills his/her Eurorack GAS after buying Reaktor?
brackets
Another question:

With the expert sleepers es-3 and es-6 combo, can I use blocks as a sound generation (oscillators), and send the audio from my modular for use my filters, spring reverb....???

I'm just trying to figure out how far the integration of both worlds can be done.

I guess this cannot be done, because from the es-3 you are sending control voltages, not audio, right???

With the upcoming USB interface from expert sleepers this will be possible??


Cheers!
thelizard
brackets wrote:
Another question:

With the expert sleepers es-3 and es-6 combo, can I use blocks as a sound generation (oscillators), and send the audio from my modular for use my filters, spring reverb....???

I'm just trying to figure out how far the integration of both worlds can be done.

I guess this cannot be done, because from the es-3 you are sending control voltages, not audio, right???

With the upcoming USB interface from expert sleepers this will be possible??


Cheers!


ES-3 and ES-6 can be used for both audio AND control voltages. With both modules, you can have total integration between the hardware and software.

It's worth noting that the upcoming ES-8 will use USB instead of optical, and has both inputs and outputs on one panel.
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
brackets wrote:
Another question:

With the expert sleepers es-3 and es-6 combo, can I use blocks as a sound generation (oscillators), and send the audio from my modular for use my filters, spring reverb....???

I'm just trying to figure out how far the integration of both worlds can be done.

I guess this cannot be done, because from the es-3 you are sending control voltages, not audio, right???

With the upcoming USB interface from expert sleepers this will be possible??


Cheers!


ES-3 and ES-6 can be used for both audio AND control voltages. With both modules, you can have total integration between the hardware and software.

It's worth noting that the upcoming ES-8 will use USB instead of optical, and has both inputs and outputs on one panel.


Yes, just think of the ES-6 / ES-3 as analog-digital / digital-analog converters with ADAT connections. Just like any other ADAT-converter, but with unbalanced mono jacks, a larger voltage swing (less sensitive inputs / hot outputs) and most importantly, DC-coupling. This simply means that there is no filter in the converters that blocks very low frequency (including DC, i.e. 0 Hz). The only difference between audio and CV is the frequency range, and the ES-6 / ES-3 convert anything from 0 Hz up to the entire audible range.
brackets
Nice!!!

So the es-3 can output audio range signals!! This opens a lot of possibilities for live sets....because all the sound generation can be done in reaktor, and filtering, vca , spring reverb and analog distortion, etc.... in the modular, and you change the snapsots with CC messages in sync with your clips!!!

I can wait to try it. I think I have seen all the videos related to this in youtube, It will be nice that people that controls the subject, keep uploading videos with the possibilities.
i'll do it once I recieve My es-3, es-6 combo.


Cheers
Dark Barn
thetechnobear wrote:
Im loving R6 and blocks....

today Ive just published my first 2 blocks....


Midi polyphonic expression block, supporting MPE standard for expression from Eigenharps/Soundplanes/Continuums/Linnstruments... over midi.

T3D OSC expression block, support T3D data over OSC for expression, as supported by Madrona Soundplane and Eigenharps.

its been great fun playing with the Soundplane and R6 smile


thetechnobear, any chance you would post an example ensemble using your MPE expression block? I'm new to both Reaktor and the Linnstrument and could use a little primer to get me going. Thanks for adding this block to the user library!
secretkillerofnames
Wondering if anyone can help...
...I'm using a Push 2 and trying to get Blocks parameters to show up as configurable parameters in Live so that I can control them from the hardware. I can't MIDI learn as the Push controls don't send regular CC and they don't show up in the "Configure" panel in Live when you move the controls.
Surely someone has a decent work around for this?
hyena
iirc:

you have to go in the instrument properties in reaktor and in the Connect panel , lowest part, click on sort and compress ID's.
then the parameters will show up in ableton's configure window.
secretkillerofnames
hyena wrote:
iirc:

you have to go in the instrument properties in reaktor and in the Connect panel , lowest part, click on sort and compress ID's.
then the parameters will show up in ableton's configure window.


I tried that and i'm getting "No Parameter mapped" on the Push and the parameters aren't showing up when I "Configure" them.

I have found when I add Reaktor to a channel and load an ensemble it arbitrarily defines parameters to banks. It tends to be a bit hit and miss with assignments this way. If I "Sort and Compress" they all disappear. If I change the ensemble it doesn't update the parameters - so you need to reload Reaktor every time.
spudboyblues
Have finally upgraded to 6, for blocks primarily, only to find out that it doesn't run in 32 bit. You would think, with inconsistencies across DAW's and software in general, that it would be compatible with both. Well, onwards with Max + Silent Way. angry angry angry
hyena
secretkillerofnames wrote:
hyena wrote:
iirc:

you have to go in the instrument properties in reaktor and in the Connect panel , lowest part, click on sort and compress ID's.
then the parameters will show up in ableton's configure window.


I tried that and i'm getting "No Parameter mapped" on the Push and the parameters aren't showing up when I "Configure" them.

I have found when I add Reaktor to a channel and load an ensemble it arbitrarily defines parameters to banks. It tends to be a bit hit and miss with assignments this way. If I "Sort and Compress" they all disappear. If I change the ensemble it doesn't update the parameters - so you need to reload Reaktor every time.


have you tried the "instrument up" trick also?
Flohr
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Made this piece for the Atlanta Synthesizer Club's ongoing Minimal Monday's challenge. Typically you have to use one piece of gear, or at least a limited palette (a handful of samples, a field recording, one instance of a plugin, a live modular patch etc.)

This week I decided to use Reaktor 6. This patch is based on Michael Hetrick's Harmonic Oscillator block. A s/h goes through a quantizer limited to C, F, and A#. This sequences the harmonic oscillator. Each of its 8 outputs go through an LPG, which are then panned in a stereo mix which then goes through stereo Dattoro Verbs. The LPGs are being opened by the two West Coast CFG function generators which are triggered by the 8 outputs of the Random Gates block. The Decay of each function generator is modulated by dual quadrature oscillators. In my DAW I added some ping pong delay and Valhalla FreqEcho. After recorded the patch I made two copies of the wav. One was sped up an octave and reversed, the other was dropped down an octave. These are layered with the original recording of the patch.
chamomileshark
that's very nice. I've tended to avoid Reaktor synths in the past concentrating on the more abstract sound generators, FX and sequencers but these blocks do sound good. I think the next thing I'll build will be a basic synth which I can then audition the oscillators because not being a euroracker I'm not familiar with how these things sound.
hyena
really really nice Flohr!
listentoaheartbeat
Fellow forum member ben_hex visited us at Superbooth and recorded this video about the Blocks 1.2 update (coming very soon!):

thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Fellow forum member ben_hex visited us at Superbooth and recorded this video about the Blocks 1.2 update (coming very soon!):



Speaking of which, today I posted a Block called "Trigger Fixer" as part of a larger Euro Reakt update. If you use Euro Reakt and are interested in interfacing my Blocks with Eurorack (or even certain Reaktor Blocks), this Block takes in the single-sample triggers that I use throughout ER and expands them to 5 ms (and maximum amplitude). That should solve any problems with triggering external digital modules.

I'm super excited for the 1.2 update! The 1.1 and 1.2 Block updates have been some of the best free post-release bonuses I've seen on a product.

EDIT: It's not nearly as flexible as the "Gates and Trigs" Block in 1.2. It's meant more as a quick fix for Euro Reakt->External modules.
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Fellow forum member ben_hex visited us at Superbooth and recorded this video about the Blocks 1.2 update (coming very soon!):



Speaking of which, today I posted a Block called "Trigger Fixer" as part of a larger Euro Reakt update. If you use Euro Reakt and are interested in interfacing my Blocks with Eurorack (or even certain Reaktor Blocks), this Block takes in the single-sample triggers that I use throughout ER and expands them to 5 ms (and maximum amplitude). That should solve any problems with triggering external digital modules.

I'm super excited for the 1.2 update! The 1.1 and 1.2 Block updates have been some of the best free post-release bonuses I've seen on a product.

EDIT: It's not nearly as flexible as the "Gates and Trigs" Block in 1.2. It's meant more as a quick fix for Euro Reakt->External modules.


Cool, check the Gates & Trigs output conditioning once it's released, there is an additional simple trick Dave Forrester found that prevents double triggers with e.g. Maths when using Expert Sleepers.
chamomileshark
will the updates appear in the service centre? Or is it a download from the UL?
listentoaheartbeat
chamomileshark wrote:
will the updates appear in the service centre? Or is it a download from the UL?


Blocks 1.2 will appear in Service Center, yes. The Maschine Sequencer and the drum Blocks we showed at Superbooth (well, they have come a long way since then) will be published in the RUL.
chamomileshark
ok, thanks for that!
brackets
Hey!!

Just a quick question...With what method I can alterate individual step lenghts in the bento-box sequencer?? (not just the global gate...individual gate for each note)....or if there are an alternative sequencer in blocks that can do this, please let me know.


Cheers!!
thelizard
brackets wrote:
Hey!!

Just a quick question...With what method I can alterate individual step lenghts in the bento-box sequencer?? (not just the global gate...individual gate for each note)....or if there are an alternative sequencer in blocks that can do this, please let me know.


Cheers!!


Attach another sequencer (Another Bento works fine...) to one of the Mod inputs. Assign the modulation to the Gate knob. Now, you can use the other sequencer for per-step gate length!
brackets
Thnxx!!!
gregsully
I'm trying to understand if there are limitations of using multiple audio to CV devices (which are basically sound cards) within a Reaktor/Ableton environment? If Reaktor is running inside Ableton, does it all need to be from one soundcard? Or, can I run my sound card in Ableton and have a separate device doing Audio to CV within Reaktor (or multiple devices.... Which could be a possibility with the upcoming ES-8)?

Does all this suffer from the one sound card limitation, or does this have a work around for that?

Thoughts?
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
brackets wrote:
Hey!!

Just a quick question...With what method I can alterate individual step lenghts in the bento-box sequencer?? (not just the global gate...individual gate for each note)....or if there are an alternative sequencer in blocks that can do this, please let me know.


Cheers!!


Attach another sequencer (Another Bento works fine...) to one of the Mod inputs. Assign the modulation to the Gate knob. Now, you can use the other sequencer for per-step gate length!


I am guessing brackets is asking for absolute step length until the next step is selected (as in note duration) rather than just the relative length of the gate?

If this is the case, for continuous control over step length you need to use an LFO to clock the sequencer and control the LFO's rate with e.g. the velocity values on the Bento 8 Steps or another sequencer channel on the Bento 4 Mods. For quantized control over step length locked to a beat you need to use a channel of the Clock Divider to clock the sequencer and control that channel's division from the sequencer.
listentoaheartbeat
gregsully wrote:
I'm trying to understand if there are limitations of using multiple audio to CV devices (which are basically sound cards) within a Reaktor/Ableton environment? If Reaktor is running inside Ableton, does it all need to be from one soundcard? Or, can I run my sound card in Ableton and have a separate device doing Audio to CV within Reaktor (or multiple devices.... Which could be a possibility with the upcoming ES-8)?

Does all this suffer from the one sound card limitation, or does this have a work around for that?

Thoughts?


When using the Reaktor plug-in, all audio routing is handled by the host. You can still use multiple soundcards with your host by using the Audio MIDI Setup's Aggregate Device function on OS X or ASIO4All on Win.
gregsully
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
.....multiple soundcards with your host by using the Audio MIDI Setup's Aggregate Device function on OS X or ASIO4All on Win.


Ya an aggregate device is what I was afraid of. This will introduce additional latency though.. I guess it all can be compensated for though. It all just gets quite a bit more complicated.
listentoaheartbeat
gregsully wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
.....multiple soundcards with your host by using the Audio MIDI Setup's Aggregate Device function on OS X or ASIO4All on Win.


Ya an aggregate device is what I was afraid of. This will introduce additional latency though.. I guess it all can be compensated for though. It all just gets quite a bit more complicated.


Sure about the added latency? Never heard about that. It does feel like a workaround though, I prefer to not use it myself. The best solution still is a solid audio interface with ADAT and an ES-3 in my opinion. If you are planning to use the upcoming ES-8, why not just add an additional ADAT AD/DA converter to it instead of another audio interface?
gregsully
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Sure about the added latency? Never heard about that. It does feel like a workaround though, I prefer to not use it myself. The best solution still is a solid audio interface with ADAT and an ES-3 in my opinion. If you are planning to use the upcoming ES-8, why not just add an additional ADAT AD/DA converter to it instead of another audio interface?


RE: Latency. Last time I used Asio4All was 2 years ago.. but i do recall the latency went up higher than the previous highest level of the 2 sound cards. This meant my RME which was at like 5ms went up to 15-20ish...

I have an RME UCX now that I am using with an ES-3 (solid setup). Problem is I want to use the single optical out to expand my i/o on the RME with another converter.. Kind of what you talked about with the ES-8, however going from a RME UCX to a ES-8 as my primary sound card seems to be going in the wrong direction for many reasons (stability, drivers.. etc). Really for studio work I should have a UFX and then I would have two sets of optical outs, but right now I am trying to use one device for gigs and studio. (My 12U of modular has already nearly sunk me.. Haha)....This is why I am asking about introducing a second device, which now I know wont work unless I run Reaktor standalone, or make an aggregate device..
brackets
Hey!

I'm preparing a live set with a hybrid setup (Reaktor blocks voices, changing snapshots and Eurorack with filters, VCA's and effects).

I want to add on my patch a complete reaktor synth (for example Razor), for have a complete synth for background textures, etc...), so I don't have my patch super crowded...

The idea is to trigger this synth in time with my principal clock, and drive the melody with my bento box sequencers chain...

How I can do this??

cheers
listentoaheartbeat
gregsully wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Sure about the added latency? Never heard about that. It does feel like a workaround though, I prefer to not use it myself. The best solution still is a solid audio interface with ADAT and an ES-3 in my opinion. If you are planning to use the upcoming ES-8, why not just add an additional ADAT AD/DA converter to it instead of another audio interface?


RE: Latency. Last time I used Asio4All was 2 years ago.. but i do recall the latency went up higher than the previous highest level of the 2 sound cards. This meant my RME which was at like 5ms went up to 15-20ish...


I don't have much experience with ASIO4ALL in critical applications, I thought you were referring to the Aggregate Devices in OS X / Core Audio.

gregsully wrote:
This is why I am asking about introducing a second device, which now I know wont work unless I run Reaktor standalone, or make an aggregate device..


Running REAKTOR standalone might be a good option though, have you tried that? Internal MIDI Clock sync can be very stable depending on your configuration.
listentoaheartbeat
brackets wrote:
Hey!

I'm preparing a live set with a hybrid setup (Reaktor blocks voices, changing snapshots and Eurorack with filters, VCA's and effects).

I want to add on my patch a complete reaktor synth (for example Razor), for have a complete synth for background textures, etc...), so I don't have my patch super crowded...

The idea is to trigger this synth in time with my principal clock, and drive the melody with my bento box sequencers chain...

How I can do this??


This will be super straight-forward with the upcoming Blocks 1.2 update. It has a MIDI Out Block that will convert pitch and gate signals to MIDI notes as well as any modulation signal to MIDI CC. You can conveniently route the MIDI output to other REAKTOR instruments inside of your Ensemble.
waitingintheweeds
just release the 1.2 alredy! hyper
debolish
Yessssssssssssssss!

waitingintheweeds wrote:
just release the 1.2 already! hyper
brackets
I can't wait for the update!!

Blocks with my eurorack just opened tons of possibilities!!!
Virgil
thelizard wrote:

I'm super excited for the 1.2 update! The 1.1 and 1.2 Block updates have been some of the best free post-release bonuses I've seen on a product.


My very first post here. Hi. So this being fraught with significance I want to take the opportunity and thank you, Michael, for what you have done for the Reaktor community, and thus, for the modular world. Thank you. we're not worthy
thelizard
Virgil wrote:
thelizard wrote:

I'm super excited for the 1.2 update! The 1.1 and 1.2 Block updates have been some of the best free post-release bonuses I've seen on a product.


My very first post here. Hi. So this being fraught with significance I want to take the opportunity and thank you, Michael, for what you have done for the Reaktor community, and thus, for the modular world. Thank you. we're not worthy


Many thanks! Welcome to the community.
chamomileshark
hi, this might be a matter of RTFM but I've dived in and started to create a number of things.

One thing I've been doing is to take something simple and then basically Multiplying it. I took the 8 steps midi sequencer and now have something that has 4 sequencers in an ens that sends out data on 4 midi channels so I can use it for example with Kontakt 5.

Right now I'm doing something similar but 4 sequencers linked each to a simple voice.

To do both of these I've copied and pasted blocks. But everything ends up in the panel in an almighty mess and I can't figure out which sequencer is controlling which oscillator, which oscillator is linked to which filter and so on.

Obviously I can tweak things in the panel and work it out but it's a bit of a pain.

Is there a way of stopping this happening? Also is there a way of simply renaming stuff on the panel - so one Bentobox EG would be Filter 1, another VCA 2 and so on?
thelizard
chamomileshark wrote:

Is there a way of stopping this happening? Also is there a way of simply renaming stuff on the panel - so one Bentobox EG would be Filter 1, another VCA 2 and so on?


You can rename Blocks in an ensemble. You can either double click their name in the patcher view or edit their name in the top left info view (The "check box" tab. The name will be in the top right of that box).
chamomileshark
d'oh! you rename them in the wire diagram
chamomileshark
thanks, just realised! Didn't know about the info view thing so that's another way.
chamomileshark
another question - and this is driving me crazy - I'm having problems with snapshots.

I've created my own .ens and saved it. I hit "Add" and name the snapshot and many times it simply then disappears. Occasionally it works and I actually manage to save a snapshot. I then save the .ens again overwriting the old version. Re-open the .ens and the snapshots are no longer there.

So I lose snapshots at two times, one not being able to create them in the first place - and then again on .ens loading.

what am I doing wrong?
shreeswifty
thelizard wrote:
chamomileshark wrote:

Is there a way of stopping this happening? Also is there a way of simply renaming stuff on the panel - so one Bentobox EG would be Filter 1, another VCA 2 and so on?


You can rename Blocks in an ensemble. You can either double click their name in the patcher view or edit their name in the top left info view (The "check box" tab. The name will be in the top right of that box).


hey Mike

wasn't there some NI stuff specifically coming out for CV/Euro? Or is that later in the year? I thought i read something either here or elsewhere
listentoaheartbeat
shreeswifty wrote:
thelizard wrote:
chamomileshark wrote:

Is there a way of stopping this happening? Also is there a way of simply renaming stuff on the panel - so one Bentobox EG would be Filter 1, another VCA 2 and so on?


You can rename Blocks in an ensemble. You can either double click their name in the patcher view or edit their name in the top left info view (The "check box" tab. The name will be in the top right of that box).


hey Mike

wasn't there some NI stuff specifically coming out for CV/Euro? Or is that later in the year? I thought i read something either here or elsewhere


I posted all the info in this thread a few pages back. Check this page:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145555

And these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qU1fw5rjJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxekvWEMwng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2tqd6P4WGQ

thumbs up
thelizard
chamomileshark wrote:
another question - and this is driving me crazy - I'm having problems with snapshots.

I've created my own .ens and saved it. I hit "Add" and name the snapshot and many times it simply then disappears. Occasionally it works and I actually manage to save a snapshot. I then save the .ens again overwriting the old version. Re-open the .ens and the snapshots are no longer there.

So I lose snapshots at two times, one not being able to create them in the first place - and then again on .ens loading.

what am I doing wrong?


Are you accidentally saving snapshots for the individual Blocks instead of the ensemble? By default, the behavior is that the snapshot menu will focus on the last clicked Block/instrument. If you click on the top ensemble bar, you can save snaps for the entire ensemble.

There's a way to disable this behavior in the snapshot options menu.
chamomileshark
thelizard wrote:
chamomileshark wrote:
another question - and this is driving me crazy - I'm having problems with snapshots.

I've created my own .ens and saved it. I hit "Add" and name the snapshot and many times it simply then disappears. Occasionally it works and I actually manage to save a snapshot. I then save the .ens again overwriting the old version. Re-open the .ens and the snapshots are no longer there.

So I lose snapshots at two times, one not being able to create them in the first place - and then again on .ens loading.

what am I doing wrong?


Are you accidentally saving snapshots for the individual Blocks instead of the ensemble? By default, the behavior is that the snapshot menu will focus on the last clicked Block/instrument. If you click on the top ensemble bar, you can save snaps for the entire ensemble.

There's a way to disable this behavior in the snapshot options menu.


thank you - I think that is it. Last night I spotted that once I change a parameter the snapshot saving switched from the .ens to something like Filter 1. I'll look into how into the menu. I remember I had issues with some other factory .ens with it switching between the original .ens and something else.

Many thanks for your reply - it was driving me crazy.
ATOM
Blocks is updated to 1.2. SlayerBadger!

Looking forward to check it out smile

atom
secretkillerofnames
ATOM wrote:
Blocks is updated to 1.2. SlayerBadger!

Looking forward to check it out smile

atom


Not showing up in Service Center for me. Anyone else?
chamomileshark
secretkillerofnames wrote:
ATOM wrote:
Blocks is updated to 1.2. SlayerBadger!

Looking forward to check it out smile

atom


Not showing up in Service Center for me. Anyone else?


seen this?

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/bocks-1-2-is-here.271 043/

actually I'm none the wiser. I thought someone said it would be in the UL but it's not there either
listentoaheartbeat
Blocks 1.2 has not been released yet!
debolish
Rushed home from work all excited after reading the post by chamomileshark. sad banana
x2mirko
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Blocks 1.2 has not been released yet!


Something's weird with your support-page then. The 1.2 update shows up for OS X and says the release date is the 8th of june (so in the future?) but you can download it.

e: i'm at work and haven't installed/tested it. Just saying there is a download that claims to be the update to 1.2, not that its working or anything.
chamomileshark
still not seeing anything in the Service Centre or going into the account only seeing what looks like the original Reaktor 6 and Blocks downloads.
chamomileshark
looking at the forum thread someone says they have it - but doesn't say where or how it appeared. Frustrating.
x2mirko
I went there, logged in and typed in blocks.
chamomileshark
ok, thanks - interestingly it';s showing the 1.2 Win update as Dec 2015!

I will download and have a look at the documentation. Thanks for your help!
thetechnobear
EDIT: the 1.2 blocks are present in the install... just found them smile

EDIT2: I dont think its the complete 1.2... e.g. there is no MaschineSequencer and the drum modules that were shown @ super booth
chamomileshark
I've also downloaded it. The modification date on the documentation is 27/5/2016 but it says 1.1.

I'm seeing similar things on other forums.
listentoaheartbeat
I recommend waiting for the official release. There will be an announcement on the website and of course you will be able to update via Service Center.

The Maschine Sequencer and the Drums are going to be published in the RUL.
debolish
Also downloaded it from the Updates page in the Support section.
chamomileshark
ok, I will wait
shreeswifty
as i shared before the update may only be the addition of a dedicated CV tool for making ensembles talk to Eurorack setups more easily and from a quick browse of the update it seems like that is the case

I am not sure if it's official now but it's certainly in the updates

This device:
http://www.amazingmachines.com.br/products_blk_am104.html

is essentially the same as the device that Native instruments has included called MIX-CV-Mix.ism and there is another called INT-Pitch CV Out.ism
The Art Of Sound
Blocks 1.2 Mac & Win Updates can be found here

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/downloads/updates/?searc h=reaktor
DSC
Looks like they are generic blocks for I/O?
I guess I don't know what I am looking at.
Do you use the standard audio/midi interface for these new blocks?
Thanks for helping us newbs out.
x2mirko
DSC wrote:
Looks like they are generic blocks for I/O?
I guess I don't know what I am looking at.
Do you use the standard audio/midi interface for these new blocks?
Thanks for helping us newbs out.


You still need a dc-coupled audio interface or expert sleepers modules. It doesn't work with just any audio interface, as you are sending control voltages, which are basically dc offsets. Most audio interfaces will just filter them out.
shreeswifty
BTW the ODIO09 is DC coupled too
listentoaheartbeat
Blocks 1.2 have been officially released! thumbs up

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/synths/reaktor- 6/connect/

waitingintheweeds
goooood! w00t
mwvm
jeez...night i dedicated to dissertation - this comes out!
debolish
Sweet! Just updated via NI Service Center. Now to take them out for a spin.

PS. Cool tutorials by Owen Vallis here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7k6z8krqKqyU4_znLQsA7zqDpReOIH Uu
ipassenger
Only had a quick look at the cv out so far but it works really nicely with my modular and ES3.

Looking forward to giving the step grid stuff and Maschine a blast this weekend.
boboter
Is it possible to host a blocks ensemble including a Maschine-Sequencer as AU inside Maschine and switch between normal Maschine functionality and Reaktor Blocks control?

That sentence kinda turned out weird. hmmm.....
Virustian
Can anybody confirm if routing CV out of a non-DC coupled interface, runs the risk to fry the interface?
Matos
Virustian
You should watch the first tutorial video. They explain interfaces.
x2mirko
Virustian wrote:
Can anybody confirm if routing CV out of a non-DC coupled interface, runs the risk to fry the interface?


From what I understand, an AC-coupled interface has a DC blocking capacitor at its output which behaves basically like a high-pass filter. CV signals can't pass through that high-pass filter (try it in your modular if you want). There's nothing that could fry anything. You will just not get a CV-output.
thelizard
x2mirko wrote:
Virustian wrote:
Can anybody confirm if routing CV out of a non-DC coupled interface, runs the risk to fry the interface?


From what I understand, an AC-coupled interface has a DC blocking capacitor at its output which behaves basically like a high-pass filter. CV signals can't pass through that high-pass filter (try it in your modular if you want). There's nothing that could fry anything. You will just not get a CV-output.


Correct! The much bigger concern is sending a strong DC component to your speakers. If you're outputting loud DC offset or slow LFOs to your speakers, you can damage those. The audio interface is fine.
Virustian
My interface inputs are DC coupled but nothing is mentioned about the outputs. I'll give it a try though.
mwvm
This is such an enjoyable update.
listentoaheartbeat
boboter wrote:
Is it possible to host a blocks ensemble including a Maschine-Sequencer as AU inside Maschine and switch between normal Maschine functionality and Reaktor Blocks control?

That sentence kinda turned out weird. hmmm.....


You won't get visual feedback from the Maschine Sequencer Block on the Maschine because Maschine does not allow to route MIDI from a plug-in.
101010oxo
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Blocks 1.2 have been officially released! thumbs up

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/synths/reaktor- 6/connect/



Maybe a dumb question but I have never used a Machine controller before: what hardware models are supported by this Blocks sequencer?
boboter
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
boboter wrote:
Is it possible to host a blocks ensemble including a Maschine-Sequencer as AU inside Maschine and switch between normal Maschine functionality and Reaktor Blocks control?

That sentence kinda turned out weird. hmmm.....


You won't get visual feedback from the Maschine Sequencer Block on the Maschine because Maschine does not allow to route MIDI from a plug-in.


Ok, thanks for the info. I've finally upgraded to Reaktor 6 yesterday and made a few smallish Block-based CV-generating ensembles to be hosted inside Maschine and control the modular. So far, it is working really great and a lot of fun.
listentoaheartbeat
101010oxo wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Blocks 1.2 have been officially released! thumbs up

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/synths/reaktor- 6/connect/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5tfB9f7qzQ


Maybe a dumb question but I have never used a Machine controller before: what hardware models are supported by this Blocks sequencer?


Currently it includes a Controller Editor template for the Maschine MK2. Theoretically any MIDI controller could be mapped in the same way, some with less visual feedback of course (colors).
mwvm
Anyone had any issues feeding gates into reaktor?

I'm not getting a solid performance.
I've tried various gate sources from QCD to EOC.

On the scope the waveform looks fine. I've tried attenuating it.


I'm using a ES6
101010oxo
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
101010oxo wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Blocks 1.2 have been officially released! thumbs up

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/synths/reaktor- 6/connect/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5tfB9f7qzQ


Maybe a dumb question but I have never used a Machine controller before: what hardware models are supported by this Blocks sequencer?


Currently it includes a Controller Editor template for the Maschine MK2. Theoretically any MIDI controller could be mapped in the same way, some with less visual feedback of course (colors).


Thank you!
debolish
Just curious as to how some of you are using Blocks with your setup. Are you running Reaktor 6 in standalone, or as a plugin within your DAW? For those of you using it within your DAW, how are you getting audio back into the PITCH CV OUT block for oscillator calibration?
101010oxo
debolish wrote:
Just curious as to how some of you are using Blocks with your setup. Are you running Reaktor 6 in standalone, or as a plugin within your DAW? For those of you using it within your DAW, how are you getting audio back into the PITCH CV OUT block for oscillator calibration?


I haven't had time to try it out but I was think about using Reaktor to sequence the modular, for fx and to record the resulting audio. As a sequencer, multi-fx and audio recoder in other words. Let's see how it goes...
listentoaheartbeat
debolish wrote:
Just curious as to how some of you are using Blocks with your setup. Are you running Reaktor 6 in standalone, or as a plugin within your DAW? For those of you using it within your DAW, how are you getting audio back into the PITCH CV OUT block for oscillator calibration?


In Ableton you can simply send the output of the Audio Track with your VCO signal to the MIDI Track with the Reaktor VST plug-in. Just select the channel and the plug-in inputs under Audio To in the Audio Track's I-O section.

Not sure about other hosts, Ableton's routing is pretty flexible. Alternatively, you can use the Reaktor 6 FX plug-in directly on the Audio Track. This works in any host.
Virustian
Tried it yesterday within Cubase.
If you select reaktor as an insert FX, you can calibrate the oscillators but you can't run reaktor blocks sequencers , the FX plugin has no start-stop transport sync .
If you select the VST instrument in the other hand , there is no way to input audio in the plugin. Maybe I'm missing sth, but things are getting complicated if you run Reaktor within a host.
debolish
Thanks for this. Basically the same routing as used to get audio back into the Silent Way Voice Controller. I'll double check my routing. I'm using the RME Babyface Pro & an ES-3, I'm certain there is something wonky happening in Totalmix FX. Before replacing it with the Babyface, I was using a MOTU 828 mk2, and found their Cuemix software to be far more intuitive.

listentoaheartbeat wrote:
In Ableton you can simply send the output of the Audio Track with your VCO signal to the MIDI Track with the Reaktor VST plug-in. Just select the channel and the plug-in inputs under Audio To in the Audio Track's I-O section.

Not sure about other hosts, Ableton's routing is pretty flexible. Alternatively, you can use the Reaktor 6 FX plug-in directly on the Audio Track. This works in any host.
listentoaheartbeat
Virustian wrote:
Tried it yesterday within Cubase.
If you select reaktor as an insert FX, you can calibrate the oscillators but you can't run reaktor blocks sequencers , the FX plugin has no start-stop transport sync.


This would imply that Cubase does not report tempo and playback to VST effects, which I doubt. If you set the INT-Clock Block to EXT, it should follow your host tempo automatically.

Virustian wrote:
If you select the VST instrument in the other hand , there is no way to input audio in the plugin. Maybe I'm missing sth, but things are getting complicated if you run Reaktor within a host.


This would be a Cubase restriction. The Reaktor VST instrument reports two inputs to the host. Unfortunately, I don't have Cubase here to check the routing options.
Virustian
Unfortunately in cubase the only option is to run the instrument as an insert fx. Now I have the exact opposite problem. When i try to tune oscillators, the cv utility does the calibration circle but it outputs a small range of 4 semitones. Inserted a Lfo from reaktor just to measure the voltage and it outputs a humble 0.3 V. With expert sleepers lfo I can measure up to 4 volts.Maybe something's wrong with reaktor and my interface...
Upright
Virustian wrote:
Unfortunately in cubase the only option is to run the instrument as an insert fx.



You should be able to drop Reaktor on a Midi track and do all of your routing with it as an instrument. Or maybe I'm not understanding you...


I set it up like this-

CV Pitch Block running to an output of Reaktor. Make an Audio track and set the input to the output that the Pitch Block of Reaktor is connected to. Then route that Audio track output to my interface output and run that output cable to hardware.
Virustian
My problem is that I can't route audio from my oscillators into reaktor as an instrument, in order to do the tuning process. Cubase can route audio into reaktor only as an insert fx.
listentoaheartbeat
Virustian wrote:
Unfortunately in cubase the only option is to run the instrument as an insert fx. Now I have the exact opposite problem. When i try to tune oscillators, the cv utility does the calibration circle but it outputs a small range of 4 semitones. Inserted a Lfo from reaktor just to measure the voltage and it outputs a humble 0.3 V. With expert sleepers lfo I can measure up to 4 volts.Maybe something's wrong with reaktor and my interface...


Are the Cubase channels routing the CV from Reaktor to the interface set to unity gain?
Upright
Virustian wrote:
My problem is that I can't route audio from my oscillators into reaktor as an instrument, in order to do the tuning process. Cubase can route audio into reaktor only as an insert fx.



Ah, I understand. That's very strange. So a regular audio track in Cubase doesn't give you an option to route the output of that audio track to Reaktor as an instrument? Sorry for all the questions just trying to help.
Upright
Do me a favor so I can be clear I'm understanding you correctly...



1. Load Reaktor as an Instrument (Drag the Pitch CV Block in so it creates the inputs and outputs in Reaktor)

2. Open an audio track in Cubase

Check the audio track outputs and see if Reaktor shows up as a possible routing destination



EDITED: Just tried it in Studio One and it doesn't work. I understand your frustrations. Works fine as an Instrument in Ableton.
Otium
Virustian wrote:
My problem is that I can't route audio from my oscillators into reaktor as an instrument, in order to do the tuning process. Cubase can route audio into reaktor only as an insert fx.


Do the instruments in Cubase have a side chain input? In Logic this is the way to do it.
Or couldn't you calibrate it with Reaktor as an insert, save the snapshot of the Pitch CV Block and then use it as insrument?
Virustian
Thanks guys for all the replies ! Even if I try to calibrate my oscillator through insert fx, it outputs only one note,though it complets the calibration circle, and in the pitch - cv block reads a small range of 4 semitones. Tried it standalone, same problem. Calibration process fails.

Otium wrote:
Virustian wrote:
My problem is that I can't route audio from my oscillators into reaktor as an instrument, in order to do the tuning process. Cubase can route audio into reaktor only as an insert fx.


Do the instruments in Cubase have a side chain input? In Logic this is the way to do it.
Or couldn't you calibrate it with Reaktor as an insert, save the snapshot of the Pitch CV Block and then use it as insrument?
listentoaheartbeat
Virustian wrote:
Thanks guys for all the replies ! Even if I try to calibrate my oscillator through insert fx, it outputs only one note,though it complets the calibration circle, and in the pitch - cv block reads a small range of 4 semitones. Tried it standalone, same problem. Calibration process fails.

Otium wrote:
Virustian wrote:
My problem is that I can't route audio from my oscillators into reaktor as an instrument, in order to do the tuning process. Cubase can route audio into reaktor only as an insert fx.


Do the instruments in Cubase have a side chain input? In Logic this is the way to do it.
Or couldn't you calibrate it with Reaktor as an insert, save the snapshot of the Pitch CV Block and then use it as insrument?


If it's the same in the stand-alone application, there must be something wrong with the soundcard routing or hardware connections. Which audio interface / converter are you using for this?

If you have not done so already, follow the workflow in the Manual (Pitch CV chapter in the Blocks Reference section) step-by-step to rule out basic configuration issues.
Virustian
My soundcard is EMU 1820m, working fine with expert sleepers plugins so far. It can send up to 4.5 Volts, measured from the pulse output of the expert sleepers LFO. I will check the manual step by step.
listentoaheartbeat
Virustian wrote:
My soundcard is EMU 1820m, working fine with expert sleepers plugins so far. It can send up to 4.5 Volts, measured from the pulse output of the expert sleepers LFO. I will check the manual step by step.


Make sure the Pitch CV Block's RANGE is set to FULL, and all relevant level controls in the host and the soundcard's console are set to unity gain. Also check the main output level control in Reaktor's header bar, it needs to be set to unity as well (double-click to set to unity gain). It is applied to all output channels.
Virustian
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Virustian wrote:
My soundcard is EMU 1820m, working fine with expert sleepers plugins so far. It can send up to 4.5 Volts, measured from the pulse output of the expert sleepers LFO. I will check the manual step by step.


Make sure the Pitch CV Block's RANGE is set to FULL, and all relevant level controls in the host and the soundcard's console are set to unity gain. Also check the main output level control in Reaktor's header bar, it needs to be set to unity as well (double-click to set to unity gain). It is applied to all output channels.


No hope left. Tried it step by step from the manual. The only way to "cheat " the system in the calibration process is to sweep the oscillator by hand. This gives me a range of 5 octaves. Otherwise calitbration sounds like a broken car engine ,it tries to start but remains in the same pitch. Must be some kind of filtering in the outputs, not enough to stop cv being transmitted, but enough to halt calibration.
listentoaheartbeat
Virustian wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Virustian wrote:
My soundcard is EMU 1820m, working fine with expert sleepers plugins so far. It can send up to 4.5 Volts, measured from the pulse output of the expert sleepers LFO. I will check the manual step by step.


Make sure the Pitch CV Block's RANGE is set to FULL, and all relevant level controls in the host and the soundcard's console are set to unity gain. Also check the main output level control in Reaktor's header bar, it needs to be set to unity as well (double-click to set to unity gain). It is applied to all output channels.


No hope left. Tried it step by step from the manual. The only way to "cheat " the system in the calibration process is to sweep the oscillator by hand. This gives me a range of 5 octaves. Otherwise calitbration sounds like a broken car engine ,it tries to start but remains in the same pitch. Must be some kind of filtering in the outputs, not enough to stop cv being transmitted, but enough to halt calibration.


No, if they can pass DC, they won't be the source of this problem. Can you record the return signal from the VCO during calibration and post it here? I might be able to tell what is going on.

It would also be interesting if you get a simple DC-offset from Reaktor passed on to the audio interface, and what voltage you end up with. To test this, hit [enter] in the Structure of Reaktor and type in "constant" to create a Constant module. It will default to a value of 1, which is just what we need. Connect this to a Reaktor output port that is routed to a free output of your soundcard. Measure the voltage at the output. If it's not the expected DC voltage, check the signal pass for any filters, level controls and other processing.
Virustian
Thanks for the input dude, I'll check it tomorrow and post the results !
thelizard
Updated Euro Reakt to 2.7 last night:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

The big news this update is that all remaining Blocks now have icons, making them easier to see in the patcher view and making them fully compatible with Colugo's Block browser.

I've also added some microsound-focused Blocks that may be fun for some of you. I'm having a great time with the wacky Brusselator, which is a weird stereo grain generator based on reaction-diffusion equations. The extremely useful Dust and Impulse Train Blocks have received some useful expansions as well.

If you haven't downloaded an update in a while, I recommend checking this one out due to the icon/description refinements!
mwvm
thelizard wrote:

The big news this update is that all remaining Blocks now have icons, making them easier to see in the patcher view and making them fully compatible with Colugo's Block browser.



Whaty what what?


Great update btw!
debolish
Thank you sir. Just when you think it can't get any better... Downloading now! Rockin' Banana!

thelizard wrote:
Updated Euro Reakt to 2.7 last night:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

The big news this update is that all remaining Blocks now have icons, making them easier to see in the patcher view and making them fully compatible with Colugo's Block browser.

I've also added some microsound-focused Blocks that may be fun for some of you. I'm having a great time with the wacky Brusselator, which is a weird stereo grain generator based on reaction-diffusion equations. The extremely useful Dust and Impulse Train Blocks have received some useful expansions as well.

If you haven't downloaded an update in a while, I recommend checking this one out due to the icon/description refinements!
Virustian
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Virustian wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
Virustian wrote:
My soundcard is EMU 1820m, working fine with expert sleepers plugins so far. It can send up to 4.5 Volts, measured from the pulse output of the expert sleepers LFO. I will check the manual step by step.


Make sure the Pitch CV Block's RANGE is set to FULL, and all relevant level controls in the host and the soundcard's console are set to unity gain. Also check the main output level control in Reaktor's header bar, it needs to be set to unity as well (double-click to set to unity gain). It is applied to all output channels.


No hope left. Tried it step by step from the manual. The only way to "cheat " the system in the calibration process is to sweep the oscillator by hand. This gives me a range of 5 octaves. Otherwise calitbration sounds like a broken car engine ,it tries to start but remains in the same pitch. Must be some kind of filtering in the outputs, not enough to stop cv being transmitted, but enough to halt calibration.


No, if they can pass DC, they won't be the source of this problem. Can you record the return signal from the VCO during calibration and post it here? I might be able to tell what is going on.

It would also be interesting if you get a simple DC-offset from Reaktor passed on to the audio interface, and what voltage you end up with. To test this, hit [enter] in the Structure of Reaktor and type in "constant" to create a Constant module. It will default to a value of 1, which is just what we need. Connect this to a Reaktor output port that is routed to a free output of your soundcard. Measure the voltage at the output. If it's not the expected DC voltage, check the signal pass for any filters, level controls and other processing.


Tested the constant, no voltage. Tested expert sleepers LFO, about 2 volts.
What I start believing, is that EMU 1820 outputs have a kind of filter .
Here's the calibration sound .
[s]https://soundcloud.com/desiremachine/calibration-fail[/s]
listentoaheartbeat
Virustian wrote:
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
It would also be interesting if you get a simple DC-offset from Reaktor passed on to the audio interface, and what voltage you end up with. To test this, hit [enter] in the Structure of Reaktor and type in "constant" to create a Constant module. It will default to a value of 1, which is just what we need. Connect this to a Reaktor output port that is routed to a free output of your soundcard. Measure the voltage at the output. If it's not the expected DC voltage, check the signal pass for any filters, level controls and other processing.


Tested the constant, no voltage. Tested expert sleepers LFO, about 2 volts.
What I start believing, is that EMU 1820 outputs have a kind of filter .
Here's the calibration sound .
[s]https://soundcloud.com/desiremachine/calibration-fail[/s]


Yes, this pretty much confirms that the outputs of your soundcard are AC-coupled. I did a quick search and found this:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17888&sid=6a73107919 ee26c6331976497254b5b3

As pointed out by Os, the specs state that the inputs are DC-coupled, not the outputs:

http://www.musicmarketing.ca/products/emu_1820_pci.asp
Virustian
Yes, you are right, I was using my soundcard outs for triggering my clock divider at first, then tried an lfo and I was fooled that the interface could pass dc , but it was outputting only pulses...
yghartsyrt
so can anyone confirm if the Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 has DC coupled outputs?

I can use my outputs to send out LFOs (although not with that much peak), but it seems I can't calibrate the Pitch output block.
Gogoolpex
I just integrated Reaktor 6 with Blocks 1.2 as a plugin in Ableton Live. Its a bit tricky and I did not find any hints on the web. Here is how I achieved it:

1.) create an audio track with Reactor 6 as an FX (Reaktor 6 FX VST)
2.) create a midi track and route it to the audio track with Reaktor FX. In order to run sequences in sync with Ableton use a Clock block and set it to "EXT".
3.) edit the default Blocks ensemble in Reaktor (Blocks New.ens) and create multiple instances of Ins and Out (duplicate the existing once or right click -> Build-In Module -> Terminal -> "In Port" or "Out Port").

Now you need to create one Ableton audio track for the input routing and one for the output routing.
4.) Create an audio track and choose "Ext. In" and choose the input of our sound card which is connected to the output of the modular VCO. Route the audio to the Reaktor FX track and choose the first option "Reakor 2 L/ - Reaktor 6 FX"
5.) Create an audio track and choose Reakor FX as input and "Reaktor 2/- Reaktor 6 FX". Route the audio to "Ext. Ou"t and the output of your DC coupled sound card which is connected to the 1V/Oct in of the VCO.
6.) in Reaktor take the Block "Util Pitch CV out" and connect the "in" to In 3.
7.) connect the Pitch CV of the Block to Out 3.
8.) Now press "RUN" and calibrate the Pitch CV

Now the unit is calibrated and you can connect to a step sequencer or the Note In block.

Other Hints:
The channel names can be confusing and trial and error with a MIX 4 unit can help.
Configure Ableton live correct for your audio interface so that you get a lot of mono outputs of additional CVs.
You can add additional CV outs the same ensemble by repeating step 5.
You can also use multiple instances of the Pitch CV out, one for each VCO.
Once its set up you can save everything as a template.
Use Clock -> Clock divider -> Util Gates & Trigs -> out to sync your external sequencers to Reaktor and Ableton (similar for the Reset)

I guess this will replace my expert sleepers plugins, much more flexible and fun!
lvankanten
That's awesome Googolpex, thanks for this!

Been struggling with this for awhile now, I'm hoping to use this instead of the ES plugins as well.
debolish
Pretty cool walkthrough here. Thought I had posted this earlier, but perhaps it was in another thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15njXbyVJ4&index=1&list=PL7k6z8krqKqy U4_znLQsA7zqDpReOIHUu&spfreload=5
thelizard
Euro Reakt 3.0 is out:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

I've added 15 new Blocks, including many emulations of Nonlinear Circuits modules. Thanks to Andrew for his approval and help!
debolish
thelizard wrote:
Euro Reakt 3.0 is out:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

I've added 15 new Blocks, including many emulations of Nonlinear Circuits modules. Thanks to Andrew for his approval and help!


Thanks very much! we're not worthy
shreeswifty
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it
ignatius
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy
thelizard
ignatius wrote:
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy


Thanks! I really needed that hahah. Guinness ftw!

We had a last-minute bug report that is borderline absurd. The amount of things that needed to line up for this to be spotted boggles my mind. It literally takes 30+ minutes for this bug to manifest under specific conditions, so testing and revising has been a bit cabin fever-y today. very frustrating very frustrating very frustrating
Jamnuska
yghartsyrt wrote:
so can anyone confirm if the Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 has DC coupled outputs?

I can use my outputs to send out LFOs (although not with that much peak), but it seems I can't calibrate the Pitch output block.



Another thread (not sure it answers your question because I don't even know what you are asking)...

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133826&highlight=
shreeswifty
ignatius wrote:
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy


In Reaktor? Or are these Mike's new insanity?

Please let me know, seems like we are approaching a new heydey of Digital/Analog hybridization and it's quite welcome. I relate it to when SoundFlower made piping audio a breeze and when Syphon was released by Tom and Anton. Simple creative advances that are just monumental for exploration.

Thank you Mike.
amsonx
debolish wrote:
Just curious as to how some of you are using Blocks with your setup. Are you running Reaktor 6 in standalone, or as a plugin within your DAW? For those of you using it within your DAW, how are you getting audio back into the PITCH CV OUT block for oscillator calibration?


Right now i've do some test using Reaktor 6 as Instrument in Numerology & for now i only sending CV from reaktor to my euro and a back in only the audio, i've an es-1 but i've used only the Motu 828 MKII DC coupled output, i don't own an Expert sleepers module for Cv input and i plan to use the silent way CV input plugin.
amsonx
shreeswifty wrote:
ignatius wrote:
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy


In Reaktor? Or are these Mike's new insanity?

Please let me know, seems like we are approaching a new heydey of Digital/Analog hybridization and it's quite welcome. I relate it to when SoundFlower made piping audio a breeze and when Syphon was released by Tom and Anton. Simple creative advances that are just monumental for exploration.

Thank you Mike.



What about Syphon for audio ? (i use the video/audio Version within VDMX) i'm really interested , do you have some link ?
shreeswifty
I'm sorry i was correlating the development of Syphon as a video tool with SoundFlower as an audio tool. I too use Syphon with VDMX/Isadora and QC
Stollmeister
shreeswifty wrote:
ignatius wrote:
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy


In Reaktor? Or are these Mike's new insanity?

Please let me know, seems like we are approaching a new heydey of Digital/Analog hybridization and it's quite welcome. I relate it to when SoundFlower made piping audio a breeze and when Syphon was released by Tom and Anton. Simple creative advances that are just monumental for exploration.

Thank you Mike.


"Mike's new insanity"... awesome bandname!
amsonx
shreeswifty wrote:
I'm sorry i was correlating the development of Syphon as a video tool with SoundFlower as an audio tool. I too use Syphon with VDMX/Isadora and QC


thanks.. so i'll continue to use Soundflower to pipe audio wink
thelizard
shreeswifty wrote:
ignatius wrote:
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy


In Reaktor? Or are these Mike's new insanity?

Please let me know, seems like we are approaching a new heydey of Digital/Analog hybridization and it's quite welcome. I relate it to when SoundFlower made piping audio a breeze and when Syphon was released by Tom and Anton. Simple creative advances that are just monumental for exploration.

Thank you Mike.


New stuff with my company, Unfiltered Audio. We're putting this out in less than two weeks: https://www.facebook.com/unfilteredaudio/photos/a.520691637943808.1235 20.477807032232269/1160000060679626/?type=3&theater
secretkillerofnames
thelizard wrote:


New stuff with my company, Unfiltered Audio. We're putting this out in less than two weeks: https://www.facebook.com/unfilteredaudio/photos/a.520691637943808.1235 20.477807032232269/1160000060679626/?type=3&theater


They look great. Though what I really need to do is lock the doors, turn off the mobile and sit down with Euro Reakt for a few months hmmm.....
yghartsyrt
Jamnuska wrote:
yghartsyrt wrote:
so can anyone confirm if the Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 has DC coupled outputs?

I can use my outputs to send out LFOs (although not with that much peak), but it seems I can't calibrate the Pitch output block.



Another thread (not sure it answers your question because I don't even know what you are asking)...

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133826&highlight=


I read that thread. Thanks. I also asked NI and the the exact same answer as the other guy.
It seems it doesn't put out that much voltage. I get some modulation with a floating ring cable, but the range leaves room for more
synthi
ignatius wrote:
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy


Unfiltered audio Sandman is on sale this weekend at only 19$ !!!
ignatius
synthi wrote:
ignatius wrote:
shreeswifty wrote:
Holy Shit Mike, you are killing it


and just wait until you check out the new unfiltered audio plug ins MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy


Unfiltered audio Sandman is on sale this weekend at only 19$ !!!


super fun plug in. can really jam w/it. i like the sound quality of their plug ins.

no brainer at that price for sure.
dannyhawaii
Hey all, I've added a Mac build for the Instrument Browser over at the NI forum. Makes it nice and easy to browse this immense library of awesome blocks. Thanks so much for all the hard work on them, thelizard!

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/blocks-instrument-bro wser-for-osx-now-available.271818/
hyena
really cool dannyhawaii!
thelizard: last update was a blast as usual! already made good use of the squid axon on a couple of tracks smile thanks guys! you are really great!
thelizard
dannyhawaii wrote:
Hey all, I've added a Mac build for the Instrument Browser over at the NI forum. Makes it nice and easy to browse this immense library of awesome blocks. Thanks so much for all the hard work on them, thelizard!

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/blocks-instrument-bro wser-for-osx-now-available.271818/


Awesome work!
dannyhawaii
Thanks, guys. I can't take credit for all the code, just sorting it out so the Mac build works.

Look out for an updated version soon at the link below. It will save the window size and layout so you don't have to change it every time you open it.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9183/
debolish
dannyhawaii wrote:
Thanks, guys. I can't take credit for all the code, just sorting it out so the Mac build works.

Look out for an updated version soon at the link below. It will save the window size and layout so you don't have to change it every time you open it.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9183/


Thanks for this. Makes for a smoother workflow. thumbs up
hyena
i was wondering, why there is yet no block capable of sampling and looping on the fly? i've seen some sampler but they are sample players\manglers , no realtime sampling yet (think: tyme sefari mk2 blocks version).

is there some technical difficulty\limitation or is just that nobody thinked about it yet?
mwvm
hyena wrote:
i was wondering, why there is yet no block capable of sampling and looping on the fly? i've seen some sampler but they are sample players\manglers , no realtime sampling yet (think: tyme sefari mk2 blocks version).

is there some technical difficulty\limitation or is just that nobody thinked about it yet?


I hope for one

Or a looper
thelizard
hyena wrote:
i was wondering, why there is yet no block capable of sampling and looping on the fly? i've seen some sampler but they are sample players\manglers , no realtime sampling yet (think: tyme sefari mk2 blocks version).

is there some technical difficulty\limitation or is just that nobody thinked about it yet?


I assure you that people have thought of it =)

There's a pretty good quad buffer by Colugo: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9949/

Other than that, it's technical complexity. It's not terribly time consuming to build a read/write buffer. It's much more time consuming to make it sound good by adding interpolation, crossfading at loop points, etc. Most of all, building an intuitive interface is the hardest part, I'd say. You'd definitely want indicators for start point, end point, playback position.

That being said, a lot of the foundation is already there! Between Colugo's Block and my sample looper, I imagine that someone will hack one together soon.
thelizard
mwvm wrote:
hyena wrote:
i was wondering, why there is yet no block capable of sampling and looping on the fly? i've seen some sampler but they are sample players\manglers , no realtime sampling yet (think: tyme sefari mk2 blocks version).

is there some technical difficulty\limitation or is just that nobody thinked about it yet?


I hope for one

Or a looper


Have you used the sample looper in Euro Reakt? Also check out the Colugo Block posted in my last comment.
hyena
of course i tried your looper and it works great smile

wow! memplane works great too! i'd like a few more features like activating write and read with gates and stuff like that but well, this is really great, with the loop start\end modulation and speed parameter...great stuff!
mwvm
thelizard wrote:
mwvm wrote:
hyena wrote:
i was wondering, why there is yet no block capable of sampling and looping on the fly? i've seen some sampler but they are sample players\manglers , no realtime sampling yet (think: tyme sefari mk2 blocks version).

is there some technical difficulty\limitation or is just that nobody thinked about it yet?


I hope for one

Or a looper


Have you used the sample looper in Euro Reakt? Also check out the Colugo Block posted in my last comment.


The block mustn't have zero crossing. Very clicky. And changes pitch when you faff with sliders. Undesirable imo.



The looper doesn't record audio input no???


There's a lot of interesting FSU blocks to do wacky things with audio...however the quality isn't there - usually unpleasant artifacts are inherent
hyena
oh,well, i have a tyme sefari so i guess clicky loops aren't that much of a disappointment for me grin
mwvm
hyena wrote:
oh,well, i have a tyme sefari so i guess clicky loops aren't that much of a disappointment for me grin


Depends tbh. If I do random start/end with the beatwife M4L or some simpler fucking about its pretty good.

The blocks that do this type of thing have more artifacts than just clicks

I like clicks too actually
orangehexagon
I'd love to see a clone of 4MS SCM + breakout.

I'll donate to the cause. Guinness ftw!
mwvm
orangehexagon wrote:
I'd love to see a clone of 4MS SCM + breakout.

I'll donate to the cause. Guinness ftw!


you could kinda simulate this with trigger/gates going into sequential switching?
listentoaheartbeat
mwvm wrote:
orangehexagon wrote:
I'd love to see a clone of 4MS SCM + breakout.

I'll donate to the cause. Guinness ftw!


you could kinda simulate this with trigger/gates going into sequential switching?


The Digilog Clock Divider allows you to modulate all divisions, so you can get similar results out of the box.

For shuffle, you can use an LFO that is reset by every other beat of the main clock (/2 division). Shuffle amount is set by the LFO rate (LFO rate needs to be slightly slower than /2 division of main clock). Example attached, Reset function on the Clock is used for /2 division.
sanderbaan
The stock Util Clock module has Shuffle !
listentoaheartbeat
sanderbaan wrote:
The stock Util Clock module has Shuffle !


You cannot modulate the amount of shuffle though (like on the 4ms SCM). For this, the patch above can be used (slight modulation of LFO freq controls shuffle amount).
mwvm
Sequencer that has note length?

If someone could emulate a OD ER-101. One thing I miss from that thing is the Steve Reich phase stuff waah
Flohr
EDIT: I was having trouble linking a Maschine Mk1 to Reaktor without a template but I figured it out.

More importantly, every time I make an adjustment under the panel, like duplicate a block or change how something is routed, it stops the Maschine Sequencer Block and I have to manually make it play again. What could be causing that?
Flohr
Completely unrelated to my prior post. I am considering getting a used older MacBook solely for the purpose of running Reaktor 6 in a live scenario. What kind of specs should I be looking for? I know NI lists minimum requirements but let's say I want to run some pretty intense patches. Would I be better off just saving up and getting a new one, or would 5-6 year old MacBook or MacBook Pro be able to handle it?
soup
Flohr wrote:
Completely unrelated to my prior post. I am considering getting a used older MacBook solely for the purpose of running Reaktor 6 in a live scenario. What kind of specs should I be looking for? I know NI lists minimum requirements but let's say I want to run some pretty intense patches. Would I be better off just saving up and getting a new one, or would 5-6 year old MacBook or MacBook Pro be able to handle it?


I have a 2011 macbook pro and it definitely struggles with too many of the more cpu intensive blocks like the monark filter. I can't even run the most intense factory block ensembles.
dkcg
soup wrote:
Flohr wrote:
Completely unrelated to my prior post. I am considering getting a used older MacBook solely for the purpose of running Reaktor 6 in a live scenario. What kind of specs should I be looking for? I know NI lists minimum requirements but let's say I want to run some pretty intense patches. Would I be better off just saving up and getting a new one, or would 5-6 year old MacBook or MacBook Pro be able to handle it?


I have a 2011 macbook pro and it definitely struggles with too many of the more cpu intensive blocks like the monark filter. I can't even run the most intense factory block ensembles.


I have a 2009 MBP, it won't run it at all because I don't have 10.9 or higher. When I tried installing 10.9, enough broke that I went back to 10.8.5. The MB is now a legacy machine and will not go past 10.8.5. I imagine if I was on 10.9, it would be a worse experience than soup's experience on his 2011.

Maybe look at a used quad core Mini instead of a Macbook. I would save up for a newer imac, unless you need the macbook portability. I just got a new imac, and it's stellar. No problems running Aalto, Kaivo, Reaktor, anything really. I highly reccomend it, it will cost more than a used Mac, but it will last you years. Cost me under $200 to fill the memory to 32gigs too.

The older Macbooks are notorious for overheating and basically melting down. I had two fail from overheating before I got the 2009, maybe they're have better cooling now. I dunno.
Flohr
Ok good to know, thank you for your input. I was interested for live performances, and wanted a Mac because I was thinking about using the new Expert Sleepers ES-8 for my audio and cv I/O but he hasn't said when it will get Windows support. I currently run R6 on a 2014 Dell Desktop with Windows 7 64 bit. I only have 8 gig ram and am running everything off a hard disc. Planning on adding ram and getting an SSD at some point. For now I can run an 8 voice generative poly patch with some modulation per voice and it can handle it but it's pushing it for sure.
Nielsen
How do you integrate Reaktor in Ableton Live when you're using 1.2 Blocks with your external gear (e.g. eurorack)?

I've build a nice instrument rack for Reaktor and my ES-3, but the latency is too high (around 120-130ms).

When I'm using separate audio channels for the reaktor to ES-3 outputs, I have the same issues. Ableton is running with a 256 buffersize and 24Bit/48kHz.

How do you handle this? Do have similar issues?
ipassenger
That latency seems very high! I get more like 10ms on that buffer size.

Something must be set wrong somewhere
nrg242
I'm having the same routing issues in Cubase that was mentioned a few pages back, due to Cubase not allowing audio inputs to the Reaktor VST.

as a workaround, if i calibrate my oscillator using the Reaktor standalone, then save a snapshot, will they then retain the settings if i later load the snapshot (assuming all the relevant tuning knobs on the modules are in the same positions)?

also, once you have a calibrated pitch cv module in reaktor, is there a way to insert that/merge into an existing snapshot/preset/ensemble, rather than building up a new patch by adding modules around it?

PS: i apologize for an newb-ness with these questions.
midilifestyle
Hey I don't know if other people have had this, but I'm hitting a wall with (what I thought would be) a basic audio routing task. While others are finding workarounds for routing audio IN to Reaktor, I'm struggling simply trying to get the reaktor vst to send OUT multiple channels of stereo audio that I can route to different Live audio tracks. When I create an additional two 'out' terminals in Reaktor and send audio to them, though, that audio doesn't seem to actually be available for Live to hear.

When I create the first set of out terminals, they're listed in mouseover as 'plugin bus 1, terminal 1', etc. And when I make the second set, they're listed in mouseover as 'plugin bus 2, terminal 1', etc. But in the dropdowns at the bottom of Ableton tracks, audio is coming through only on bus 1. Why might this be?

In the standalone version, there is a dialog box for "audio and midi settings," and under 'routing' you can determine which of your soundcard outs receive different audio buses, etc. But the VST has no such routing controls, being dependent on the hosts' routing options.

Screenshot attached shows everything wired up, but no green meters where they should be on the Ableton drop down:
midilifestyle
I'm dumb. I answered my own question.

I just assumed that the first bus on the list was a copy of the "post mixer" out above it. It is indeed the second bus.

I'll leave the problem and solution up for posterity.
skyshaver
Bumping this thread up as I've just gotten into using Reaktor 6 and Euro together.
midilifestyle
Sweet! How's that going for you so far?

I'm using Reaktor with a motu 828 mk3 and was bummed when I recently figured out that Reaktor *sends* cv well (and can receive gates with some degree of predictability it looks like) but the 828 isn't capable of *receiving* cv that Reaktor can use in any predictable way. Bummer, as I was hoping my monome modules could be used to sequence Reaktor via cv.

Now I'm weighing the benefits of teaching myself max (to bypass the monome eurorack modules altogether) or to go the easy but expensive route of buying a es-8 and a case deep enough to mount it in, as that will apparently have the necessary voltage to get cv into Reaktor. Although I haven't yet seen this demonstrated anywhere...
skyshaver
I'm using the expert sleepers es-3 to get CV/audio out of reaktor and am just now looking at an es-6 as a way of getting CV/audio out of the modular back into reaktor. I'm using a MOTU Ultralite AVB. Had a fair bit of success and fun using Reaktor to sequence the modular but haven't played around too much yet with sending mod sources. NOw that I have a basic understanding of all the routing needed to get audio/cv in/out of Reaktor and use the CV module to calibrate VCOs I should make a template to save some time.

I wish there was a hotkey to switch views in Reaktor. Working on a 13" laptop screen is a little maddening. Dead Banana
midilifestyle
Word! Reaktor is an amazing tool. I'be been using it since 2004, although I only dig into patching with it in the last few years. And now I have a euro system. GATEWAY DRUG.

I think being able to get cv into Reaktor will be worthwhile, as then you can use it to quickly patch together whatever module you "need" (scare quotes bc need is always a relative term in this hobby). It's a great way to quickly patch together an analog shift register, a clock divider, a quantizer, etc.

Also awesome, obvs, for use as a scratchpad for patch ideas in general.

You're already hip to the Euroreakt bundle yeah?
thelizard
skyshaver wrote:
I'm using the expert sleepers es-3 to get CV/audio out of reaktor and am just now looking at an es-6 as a way of getting CV/audio out of the modular back into reaktor. I'm using a MOTU Ultralite AVB. Had a fair bit of success and fun using Reaktor to sequence the modular but haven't played around too much yet with sending mod sources. NOw that I have a basic understanding of all the routing needed to get audio/cv in/out of Reaktor and use the CV module to calibrate VCOs I should make a template to save some time.

I wish there was a hotkey to switch views in Reaktor. Working on a 13" laptop screen is a little maddening. Dead Banana


I use an AVB + ES-3/6. Here's a video demonstrating sequencing Braids from Reaktor and modulating Reaktor using Maths:
https://youtu.be/nL4TNaJm-3M?t=546

It works really well and is about as straightforward as you expect. Just plug CV into the ES-6 and you're good to go.
skyshaver
I am hip to the eurreakt bundle but I've been putting off digging into in until I got a handle on the basic functionality of blocks. This thread is also responsible for me buying the new Sandman delay. So kudos to mr. hetrick all around.

I just watched Os's es-6 demo and it looks like a lot of fun, being able to record and loop/quantize CV. I'll check out the video thelizard linked as well. I also just got push 2 so I can see this taking over my life smile
thelizard
skyshaver wrote:
I am hip to the eurreakt bundle but I've been putting off digging into in until I got a handle on the basic functionality of blocks. This thread is also responsible for me buying the new Sandman delay. So kudos to mr. hetrick all around.


Much appreciated! Euro Reakt 4.0 will be out within the next week. Very excited for this update.
DJMaytag
I thought the 828's had DC coupled inputs AND outputs? No?
bodo
DJMaytag wrote:
I thought the 828's had DC coupled inputs AND outputs? No?


No DC-coupled outputs only.

I've had succes with routing envelopes back in using an envelope follower, works pretty well!
DJMaytag
Well, poop. I wasn't going to get an ES-6, but now I guess I might need to...
ignatius
thelizard wrote:
skyshaver wrote:
I am hip to the eurreakt bundle but I've been putting off digging into in until I got a handle on the basic functionality of blocks. This thread is also responsible for me buying the new Sandman delay. So kudos to mr. hetrick all around.


Much appreciated! Euro Reakt 4.0 will be out within the next week. Very excited for this update.


^^^this guy never quits making awesome stuff applause
midilifestyle
bodo wrote:
DJMaytag wrote:
I thought the 828's had DC coupled inputs AND outputs? No?


No DC-coupled outputs only.

I've had succes with routing envelopes back in using an envelope follower, works pretty well!


Ooh that's a good idea. Thanks for the tip
thelizard
ignatius wrote:
thelizard wrote:
skyshaver wrote:
I am hip to the eurreakt bundle but I've been putting off digging into in until I got a handle on the basic functionality of blocks. This thread is also responsible for me buying the new Sandman delay. So kudos to mr. hetrick all around.


Much appreciated! Euro Reakt 4.0 will be out within the next week. Very excited for this update.


^^^this guy never quits making awesome stuff applause


Thanks!

Euro Reakt 4.0 is now up: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

Gonna go celebrate with some serious Tex-Mex
Moon Indigo
thelizard wrote:
ignatius wrote:
thelizard wrote:
skyshaver wrote:
I am hip to the eurreakt bundle but I've been putting off digging into in until I got a handle on the basic functionality of blocks. This thread is also responsible for me buying the new Sandman delay. So kudos to mr. hetrick all around.


Much appreciated! Euro Reakt 4.0 will be out within the next week. Very excited for this update.


^^^this guy never quits making awesome stuff applause


Thanks!

Euro Reakt 4.0 is now up: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

Gonna go celebrate with some serious Tex-Mex


Great, thanks, excited to get into this tonight. Thanks so much for your incredible generosity in sharing all of your Euro Reakt work, which you could easily sell.

(I DID buy and am loving Sandman Pro, and recommend others do the same).
hermbot
I wonder if NI was planning on selling content packs of blocks in the future to expand on their factory library. Euro Reakt would have certainly put a hitch in their giddyup with how much it adds. Thanks for your work!
nrg242
thelizard wrote:
ignatius wrote:
thelizard wrote:
skyshaver wrote:
I am hip to the eurreakt bundle but I've been putting off digging into in until I got a handle on the basic functionality of blocks. This thread is also responsible for me buying the new Sandman delay. So kudos to mr. hetrick all around.


Much appreciated! Euro Reakt 4.0 will be out within the next week. Very excited for this update.


^^^this guy never quits making awesome stuff applause


Thanks!

Euro Reakt 4.0 is now up: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/9093/

Gonna go celebrate with some serious Tex-Mex



good luck on your defense. your work on EuroReakt is exemplary!
Funky40
some Q: .....speaking about building FX chains within Live9:

i´ve had the need for a VCA/Env combo between FX "modules" ( well VSTs),
imagine you make some delays resonate, and would like to "VCA" the sound as donne in eurorack with a VCO,
does Reaktor blocks deliver such FX modules ?
( i have no clue if Reaktor blocks are just about CV ing external gear)

........or are there some M4L "ensembles" that would do the VCA/Env thing ?


...........triggered by the keyboard/midi input
thelizard
Funky40 wrote:
some Q: .....speaking about building FX chains within Live9:

i´ve had the need for a VCA/Env combo between FX "modules" ( well VSTs),
imagine you make some delays resonate, and would like to "VCA" the sound as donne in eurorack with a VCO,
does Reaktor blocks deliver such FX modules ?
( i have no clue if Reaktor blocks are just about CV ing external gear)

........or are there some M4L "ensembles" that would do the VCA/Env thing ?


...........triggered by the keyboard/midi input


In Euro Reakt, there are two VCA/Env combo Blocks, one AD, the other Trapezoid.

-Load Reaktor as Reaktor FX.
-Add a Note In Block from the standard library (in the "Util" folder).
-Add an AD + VCA Block from Euro Reakt (in the "Modulation" folder).
-Connect Reaktor's Audio In to the VCA In terminal on AD/VCA.
-Connect the Note In's Gate output to AD/VCA's Gate input.
-Connect the VCA output from AD/VCA to Reaktor's Audio Out.

Alternatively, there's a standard library VCA ("AMP-VCA" in the "Bento Box" folder) that can receive modulation from any other Block. Connect the modulation source to the Mod A or B input. Click A or B on the VCA's interface and turn up the modulation source on the Amp knob. One advantage to using this VCA is that you can change the response on it (linear/exponential).
Funky40
...........so the doctor came and told me i should update to Reaktor6 for sanity wink

Thank you thelizard !
thelizard
Funky40 wrote:
...........so the doctor came and told me i should update to Reaktor6 for sanity wink

Thank you thelizard !


No problem! I hope that you enjoy it as much as I do.

I've updated the instructions above with folder locations, along with a separate strategy using the default VCA. The standard library (with the Blocks 1.1 update) has a quad AD function generator similar to the Intellijel Quadra (or Buchla 281e for that matter) called "CFG" under the "West Coast" folder. There are additional envelopes in the "Bento Box" and "Monark" folders. Lots to experiment with!
Moon Indigo
Funky40 wrote:
...........so the doctor came and told me i should update to Reaktor6 for sanity wink

Thank you thelizard !


+1
listentoaheartbeat
hermbot wrote:
I wonder if NI was planning on selling content packs of blocks in the future to expand on their factory library. Euro Reakt would have certainly put a hitch in their giddyup with how much it adds.


Blocks was conceptualized as an open framework and implemented in a way that would hopefully support builders and provide them with the means to contribute their own modules. It's one of Blocks' key features, and the reason why there is a Building Template and almost none of the Blocks are locked. Add that to the new Reaktor 6 Core Library, and it should become clear that all of this content is there to be used in your own creations. With Michael specifically it was good timing I guess, the development of Blocks and his research work on modular synthesis were a timely concurrence. No hitch in anyones giddyup!
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
hermbot wrote:
I wonder if NI was planning on selling content packs of blocks in the future to expand on their factory library. Euro Reakt would have certainly put a hitch in their giddyup with how much it adds.


Blocks was conceptualized as an open framework and implemented in a way that would hopefully support builders and provide them with the means to contribute their own modules. It's one of Blocks' key features, and the reason why there is a Building Template and almost none of the Blocks are locked. Add that to the new Reaktor 6 Core Library, and it should become clear that all of this content is there to be used in your own creations. With Michael specifically it was good timing I guess, the development of Blocks and his research work on modular synthesis were a timely concurrence. No hitch in anyones giddyup!


Yeah! It worked out perfectly. Plus, Native Instruments' own Blocks are fantastic. I use their 1.1 LPG way more than my own now as I love the sound quality. I'm glad to hear that I haven't interfered in any way.

Speaking of the LPG, the main contribution of the dissertation isn't Euro Reakt so much as setting up design taxonomies for modules (both software and hardware). A main point is that a lot of software modules save CPU by employing what I call "monosemous" (opposite of "ambiguous") design strategies. In hardware, more manufacturers are going for a polymorphic approach where one module serves multiple purposes. One of the primary design goals for Euro Reakt is to emulate the feel of hardware by putting a lot of inputs and outputs on each Block (especially with the 4.0 update). There's a serendipitous quality to this design strategy, as I feel that these extra features guide a patcher down avenues they may not have explored without them.

The NI LPG is an example of the monosemous design strategy: You have an audio input, a pluck input, and a single output. It's very straightforward to use. The ER LPG has many more ins/outs. One of my favorite features is that it outputs the LPG and the envelope from the "vactrol" separately. Thus, you can use it simultaneously as an LPG and a modulation source for another signal.
Funky40
thelizard wrote:

I've updated the instructions above with folder locations, along with a separate strategy using the default VCA.

now that was a Great service. Very welcome ! Thank you thelizard !


and:
LPG ?? eek!
so, LPGs in Reaktor 6 ? (..........by drag and drop lol hehe, next level LPG then )
thelizard
Funky40 wrote:
thelizard wrote:

I've updated the instructions above with folder locations, along with a separate strategy using the default VCA.

now that was a Great service. Very welcome ! Thank you thelizard !


and:
LPG ?? eek!
so, LPGs in Reaktor 6 ? (..........by drag and drop lol hehe, next level LPG then )


Yep! There's an LPG in Euro Reakt, called "Low-Pass Gate" (under "Effects".

In the standard library, their LPG is under "West Coast" as "FLT-LPG".

NI's LPG is top-notch. I'd stick with that one unless you want the envelope capabilities of mine.
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
NI's LPG is top-notch. I'd stick with that one unless you want the envelope capabilities of mine.


Creating envelopes with the West Coast LPG is fun, too. PLUCK provides a handy envelope amplitude control, DAMP shortens the decay. Alternatively, one can use any modulation signal to modulate LEVEL instead of striking the Pluck input with a gate. Adds a nice downward-slew to the signal. thumbs up

Virgil
DJMaytag wrote:
Well, poop. I wasn't going to get an ES-6, but now I guess I might need to...


If you happen to have Live, try CV4Live before spending money. Send CV & triggers from your rack into the box. It's awesome.
http://www.skinnerbox.de/cv4live.html
Bacchus
thelizard wrote:

Yeah! It worked out perfectly. Plus, Native Instruments' own Blocks are fantastic. I use their 1.1 LPG way more than my own now as I love the sound quality. I'm glad to hear that I haven't interfered in any way.

Speaking of the LPG, the main contribution of the dissertation isn't Euro Reakt so much as setting up design taxonomies for modules (both software and hardware). A main point is that a lot of software modules save CPU by employing what I call "monosemous" (opposite of "ambiguous") design strategies. In hardware, more manufacturers are going for a polymorphic approach where one module serves multiple purposes. One of the primary design goals for Euro Reakt is to emulate the feel of hardware by putting a lot of inputs and outputs on each Block (especially with the 4.0 update). There's a serendipitous quality to this design strategy, as I feel that these extra features guide a patcher down avenues they may not have explored without them.

The NI LPG is an example of the monosemous design strategy: You have an audio input, a pluck input, and a single output. It's very straightforward to use. The ER LPG has many more ins/outs. One of my favorite features is that it outputs the LPG and the envelope from the "vactrol" separately. Thus, you can use it simultaneously as an LPG and a modulation source for another signal.


Thanks for the kind words on the Blocks LPG Michael smile

I need to take a proper look at your thesis, because this particular topic is one that I've thought about a lot and find very interesting. Excited to read your contribution! Most of the stuff I worked on in Blocks is actually very much designed from this 'ambiguous' perspective (and actually, stuff I've done elsewhere - e.g. try using the Replika Diffusion mode as a complex resonant body model). For me this is a big part of a design having 'depth' - allowing the user to exploit it in unexpected ways.

In the case of the Blocks LPG, I guess this is a little hidden - mainly because the thing is a pretty direct circuit model. The only thing resembling an envelope in the structure is essentially a slew generator that models the relationship between light emitted by the LED part of the vactrol and the resistance of the LDR part. If you tapped this out directly, you'd have some envelope shape but not really the perceptual amplitude envelope of a pinged LPG. This perceptual envelope is a much more complicated shape because of the way the poles of the filter and the DC-gain change as the vactrol resistance varies.

To output a more interesting envelope in the context of this model, you could work out an expression for vactrol-resistance -> DC-gain, and output that. Or, you can do what listentoaheartbeat suggested and just patch a DC signal into the input. In this case, I think I kinda prefer the latter option. It's the way you'd do things in a hardware modular, and it adds a little bit of extra mystery to the experience. I like to make people work a little for their extra functionality, and I've always loved the way that becoming good at modulars involves discovering all these little bits of arcane knowledge. It's fun hihi. No coincidence that I'm a big fan of Pete Blasser I guess...

The more explicit 'ambiguous' approach you employ in Euro-Reakt is great too, as it more strongly encourages people to use stuff multi-functionally rather than making them discover it through blind experimentation and forum tidbits. Definitely the better pedagogical approach!
thelizard
Thanks! Yeah, as mentioned either in this thread or a different one, my LPG was sort of based on your vactrol research paper. I don't have an EE background, so I took what I could from it, which was essentially just an interpolator portion. The official LPG blew it right out of the water. I really appreciate you putting that research out there! Without papers like that, I don't know where I'd be.

I'm going to package the dissertation with Euro Reakt around January 6th (my due date for signatures and the final draft). The first taxonomy is a module design taxonomy. I've proposed the following categories (a module can fit into multiple categories):

1) Monosemous. One patching strategy.
2) Rhizomatic. One purpose, but multiple patching strategies (a great example is Audio Damage's DubJr. Mk2, as it has tapped feedback and a tempo input. It's always a delay, though).
3) Expandable. These are mainly hardware modules that connect to expanders, but there are software examples as well.
4) Polymorphic...

Polymorphism can exist in four forms:
1) Modal. A module's functionality can change, but only one mode at a time. Also, a module is only modally polymorphic if and only if it can change its purpose on its own without the use of other modules. Disting is the ultimate example of this. There are multiple sub-categories of this, but I won't jump into that here.
2) Independent. A module has multiple functions but they aren't normalled. WMD/SSF Toolbox is a great example.
3) Linked. A module has multiple functions that are normalled together (but can be used independently through patching). A good example is the analog wavefolder on Shapeshifter. The oscillator's output is normalled into it, but you can use the wavefolder separately from the oscillator.
4) Synchronous. A module has multiple functions that share common parameters. An example is the Make Noise Echophon. It has a delay line and a clock generator that share the delay length parameter.

I try to not be judgmental in the dissertation. My favorite design strategy personally is Synchronous Polymorphism, as I like the suggestions made by the modules. However, Monosemous design is great for education. Likewise, Rhizomatic design is great for easy-to-understand modules with more flexibility. Independent Polymorphism is ideal for putting multiple utilities into one panel (perhaps saving money and/or space). I dive into the pros and cons of each (along with the pros and cons of analog and digital hardware along with pure software modulars).
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
thelizard wrote:
NI's LPG is top-notch. I'd stick with that one unless you want the envelope capabilities of mine.


Creating envelopes with the West Coast LPG is fun, too. PLUCK provides a handy envelope amplitude control, DAMP shortens the decay. Alternatively, one can use any modulation signal to modulate LEVEL instead of striking the Pluck input with a gate. Adds a nice downward-slew to the signal. thumbs up



Yeah, this is a great patch idea! I do this a lot with my Optomix.

What I was mainly suggesting is that my LPG's envelope output is available simultaneously, so you can process audio and get an amplitude curve as a modulation output at the same time.
listentoaheartbeat
thelizard wrote:
What I was mainly suggesting is that my LPG's envelope output is available simultaneously, so you can process audio and get an amplitude curve as a modulation output at the same time.


Yes, really useful! Great for efficient drum patches. thumbs up

BTW, I think it's great to have discussion about patches and module design in this thread. Software modular can serve as an open field of experimentation, where one can not only find new patches, but also conveniently compare different design and patching paradigms (admittedly, the modulation bus concept is a little bit in the way of patch-programming the Serge-way). In addition to the sound as well as the audio rate modulation and feedback possibilities, I think this is where Blocks really shines: building and patching can go hand in hand. It's the same openness that DIY adds to hardware modular, but in more accessible package.
thelizard
listentoaheartbeat wrote:

BTW, I think it's great to have discussion about patches and module design in this thread. Software modular can serve as an open field of experimentation, where one can not only find new patches, but also conveniently compare different design and patching paradigms (admittedly, the modulation bus concept is a little bit in the way of patch-programming the Serge-way). In addition to the sound as well as the audio rate modulation and feedback possibilities, I think this is where Blocks really shines: building and patching can go hand in hand. It's the same openness that DIY adds to hardware modular, but in more accessible package.


Absolutely. The primary reason I started Euro Reakt was for my students. It provided an experience that was very close to hardware on a platform (Reaktor) that is affordable to many. Softube Modular provides an interface that is perhaps more similar to hardware, but the iLok requirement coupled with the per-module DLC (and the inability to create or edit modules) makes it a less solid choice for educators.

Building on what you said about the modulation bus, I think the most notable differences between Reaktor and hardware are:
1) Decoupling the patching view from the interface.
2) Inability to quickly patch feedback in the Block patching view (Core will let you and attempt to auto-resolve, but it prefers that you set precedence manually).
3) No way (that I know of) to set up normalizations. A lot of my Blocks have interface switches to choose between a standard processing method or an alternative method that uses an external input. It would be great to have a Core object that provides terminal logic (i.e. "if something is plugged into this input, then...").
4) The modulation bus. The only Block where I broke with this paradigm was the Timbre Block.

It's great that each builder brings their own design style. That aspect alone makes it feel a lot more like Eurorack than most environments.
djthopa
Hi!

Thanks a lot for you euroreakt blocks!

I was wondering if you could recommend me a way to sequence from a hardware cv sequencer an oscillator inside reaktor.

Do i need any kind of conversion module?

Im using an es6 / es7 for cv inputs into reaktors in.

Pitch seems to be tracking ok but im having trouble with the gate / envelopes.

I have tried with a mfb urzwerg pro and a sq1, but no getting very good results..

Any ideas would be much appreciated!

Cheers
listentoaheartbeat
If you feed a 1V/Oct signal into Blocks via the ES-6, you will roughly match the (value of) 0.1/Octave scaling in Blocks due to the ES-6's 10V range (because 10V will translate to digital full scale / value of 1).

However, the ES-6 is not calibrated, so you will not have precise results. The best workaround would be to feed the signal to the Blocks Digilog Quantizer first. This way you can map your external signal to the correct semitone values in Blocks.

Gates and triggers should work just fine, actually. What sort of problem are you experiencing? Can you upload a scope screenshot of the external gates in Blocks?
djthopa
listentoaheartbeat wrote:
If you feed a 1V/Oct signal into Blocks via the ES-6, you will roughly match the (value of) 0.1/Octave scaling in Blocks due to the ES-6's 10V range (because 10V will translate to digital full scale / value of 1).

However, the ES-6 is not calibrated, so you will not have precise results. The best workaround would be to feed the signal to the Blocks Digilog Quantizer first. This way you can map your external signal to the correct semitone values in Blocks.

Gates and triggers should work just fine, actually. What sort of problem are you experiencing? Can you upload a scope screenshot of the external gates in Blocks?


Hey! Thanks a lot for the digilog quantizer tip. Im also using the gate out and my korg sq1 is triggering a monark polysynth really well.

Now time to make a lemur template and save on a poly.

Cheers!
rbhansen
Thought I'd share my solution to a frustrating experience trying to get Ableton Live, Reaktor's Pitch CV Out block and an Expert Sleepers ES-8 to play nicely (ie, calibrate). Found a post on the native-instruments forum that got me pointed in the right direction, streamlined it a bit and thought I'd share for others.

Biggest problem for me is that I could get calibration to work in Reaktor standalone, but not within Ableton Live.

Step by step instructions are at https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/reaktor-6-blocks-modu lar-synth-oscillator-calibration-problem.310843/
Worwell
Loving the Chaos blocks @thelizard, especially modulating between the different forms.

thelizard
Worwell wrote:
Loving the Chaos blocks @thelizard, especially modulating between the different forms.



Thanks! I was really happy with how the newer 1-3 Op Chaos Blocks turned out. I'm working on doing something similar for the Schroeder reverbs, as they all have identical interfaces. I may roll some of the other large Chaos Blocks together soon. Things were getting a bit unwieldy.

PS, I'm still using that Tempi every day!
Worwell
the lizard wrote:
Thanks! I was really happy with how the newer 1-3 Op Chaos Blocks turned out. I'm working on doing something similar for the Schroeder reverbs, as they all have identical interfaces. I may roll some of the other large Chaos Blocks together soon. Things were getting a bit unwieldy.

PS, I'm still using that Tempi every day!


Good to hear. Happy new year.
Unifono0815
I'm fairly new to modular synthesis, but maybe some of you will enjoy these patches I made. I love Blocks, they inspired me to start with my first modules.
I will get the ES-8 next to join the Blocks.
Special thanks to Michael for Euroreakt! One of the best learning resources ever. And it will save me a serious amount of money (hopefully). All the sequencing, probability, logic etc blocks are exactly what I'll need.




Embedded video doesn't work for me... Maybe some could help me. Thanks and cheers.
nrg242
i think if you remove the s from https the video embed works.

although i love having taken the plunge, reaktor blocks would have definitely held me over for quite a while before buying my first module. great way to find out if you like the idea/process. and as you said, a way to save cash.
Unifono0815
Thanks! Works
Xtheunknown
I thought I saw a Reaktor block that was able to output V/Hz instead of V/octave. I tried using the 1V/octave approach with my vintage MS-20 and, while it works 'OK' for pitch, it has undesirable filter control side effects, since it uses the TOTAL CV pathway. Does anyone know of a Reaktor block that can do V/Hz?
Nielsen
Are there Blocks like Mutable Instruments Grids out there? This thing is so helpful and its source code is open source. So, maybe?
kesserich
Unifono0815 wrote:
I'm fairly new to modular synthesis, but maybe some of you will enjoy these patches I made. I love Blocks, they inspired me to start with my first modules.
I will get the ES-8 next to join the Blocks.
Special thanks to Michael for Euroreakt! One of the best learning resources ever. And it will save me a serious amount of money (hopefully). All the sequencing, probability, logic etc blocks are exactly what I'll need.




Embedded video doesn't work for me... Maybe some could help me. Thanks and cheers.


Really digging patches #2. Very nice. A couple of quick questions if you don't mind.

1)where the fuck did you get that Turing machine? It looks different from the turing machine included in EuroReakt and seems to let you change the step length?

2)It looks like you have the 8 Steps sequencing the kick but the sequencer seems to pause on some beats? How did you swing that?

3)You've got the probability switching between your hi-hats sounds and it seems tied to a 1/16h note clock, but everyone once in awhile it just rests? Again, what wizardry do you have going on there? smile
thelizard
kesserich wrote:
Unifono0815 wrote:
I'm fairly new to modular synthesis, but maybe some of you will enjoy these patches I made. I love Blocks, they inspired me to start with my first modules.
I will get the ES-8 next to join the Blocks.
Special thanks to Michael for Euroreakt! One of the best learning resources ever. And it will save me a serious amount of money (hopefully). All the sequencing, probability, logic etc blocks are exactly what I'll need.




Embedded video doesn't work for me... Maybe some could help me. Thanks and cheers.


Really digging patches #2. Very nice. A couple of quick questions if you don't mind.

1)where the fuck did you get that Turing machine? It looks different from the turing machine included in EuroReakt and seems to let you change the step length?

2)It looks like you have the 8 Steps sequencing the kick but the sequencer seems to pause on some beats? How did you swing that?

3)You've got the probability switching between your hi-hats sounds and it seems tied to a 1/16h note clock, but everyone once in awhile it just rests? Again, what wizardry do you have going on there? smile


Unifono: Thanks for the kind words! I missed this earlier. The videos are fantastic.

kesserich, I'll try to answer some of these:
1) https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/10173/
2 & 3) It looks like the Clock Divider Block is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. There is active modulation on it, so in the case of the Hi-Hats, they're sequenced by the "1" divison, which is modulated occasionally to longer lengths. In effect, it adds in those rests.
Jamnuska
Just got an email about the turkey sale.

$99.50 till the end of the month (till NOV 30), plus a bunch of other stuff on sale.

May have to finally pick this thing up.
Unifono0815
thelizard wrote:
kesserich wrote:


Really digging patches #2. Very nice. A couple of quick questions if you don't mind.

1)where the fuck did you get that Turing machine? It looks different from the turing machine included in EuroReakt and seems to let you change the step length?

2)It looks like you have the 8 Steps sequencing the kick but the sequencer seems to pause on some beats? How did you swing that?

3)You've got the probability switching between your hi-hats sounds and it seems tied to a 1/16h note clock, but everyone once in awhile it just rests? Again, what wizardry do you have going on there? smile


Unifono: Thanks for the kind words! I missed this earlier. The videos are fantastic.

kesserich, I'll try to answer some of these:
1) https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/10173/
2 & 3) It looks like the Clock Divider Block is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. There is active modulation on it, so in the case of the Hi-Hats, they're sequenced by the "1" divison, which is modulated occasionally to longer lengths. In effect, it adds in those rests.


Sorry kesserich, I missed your post.
Thanks thelizard for answering the questions for me smile
Exactly, the rests are happening because the clockdivider is modulated by one of the random lfo's. The probability block is just for switching between closed and open hihat.

I'm happy you both like the patches, thanks!
djthopa
Wow im in love with Reaktor!

I need some counseling from dear wigglers.

Im using a native instruments f1 usign it to trigger samples inside reaktor with this:

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/10261/

Im using it to trigger long loops that i use inside 4xGranuSampler, which is great too.

Problem is i would like to have more than 4 samples per row, so i was wondering if you had any reaktor / blocks sample player (if it loops the sample it would be great) recommendations.

Or i can dig my head in and start from scratch and learn how to make a simple sample player where i can have a good list of samples to choose from in a submenu.

Hoping someone can give me some counsel on this regard.

Many thanks!
phase ghost
Bought this last night (50% off), and have been putting it through it's paces for two days. Gotta say, I'm really impressed, and I've only been using Blocks so far.

Initially thought I'd have too much overlap with MaxMsp, but that is quite obviously not the case. This just feels like a software version of a modular, where I'm wearing my programmer hat in Max. Glad I pulled the trigger.
andybizarre
Nielsen wrote:
Are there Blocks like Mutable Instruments Grids out there? This thing is so helpful and its source code is open source. So, maybe?


I didn`t check the Blocks library recently, so I can`t tell, but for Max there`s this:
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/2518/grids
slow_riot
So impressed with Reaktor 6, surprised it didn't revolutionise the eurorack scene, because the integration between hardware and software is as good as it can be.
Unifono0815
slow_riot wrote:
So impressed with Reaktor 6, surprised it didn't revolutionise the eurorack scene, because the integration between hardware and software is as good as it can be.


Yes. Wondering too, why it's not more popular
Jamnuska
Perhaps it is the patching? Compared to VCV-Rack it is very unEurolike in patching. No idea why they went with behind the scenes patchcords?
Worwell
Unifono0815 wrote:
slow_riot wrote:
So impressed with Reaktor 6, surprised it didn't revolutionise the eurorack scene, because the integration between hardware and software is as good as it can be.


Yes. Wondering too, why it's not more popular


There's some pretty strong anti-computer bias around these parts. I enjoy the Reaktor/Euro interaction but don't find myself reaching for it as much because it can be less immediate. I plan to address that by setting up more easy go-to templates with Reaktor and Maschine but that of course takes some programming which isn't nearly as fun as just playing the hardware.

Also, I'm not sure it can really "revolutionize" the format. With the exception of the new Kodiak blocks, I haven't found much in the Blocks that can't be replicated in hardware. I find it best for saving money on not having to buy modules. For example, I have a Reaktor/Maschine/ES-8,3 template that outputs two Wavetable LFO's with knobs controlling Rate, Wavetablel, Amplitude, and Wave, another output with two Euroreakt chaos outputs with knob control over rate and amplitude and the Sequential Routing Matrix block controlled by the 16 Maschine pads to replace a WMD SSM. (Its awesome and I never seem to use it...)
slow_riot
One of the problems with hardware modular is that until you build up a 6U or 9U system you haven't really broken out of the fixed architecture paradigm. I see a lot of smaller systems that are just monosynths.

With Reaktor you can break out of those restrictions with only 1 hardware module.

Round trip latency is always going to be a barrier to really direct cross patching, you do get that with these DSP chips too though (maybe not FPGAs).

The cables are behind the user interface for a reason.

It's a shame there aren't any soundcards designed for DC accuracy (maybe something by Expert Sleepers?). My Audiofire 4 is DC coupled but the voltage reference driving the output DACs has really high drift, and once I had a fixed 1v/oct output it drifted by 20mV in a couple of minutes. They tried to compensate for that with the specialised 1v/oct block that used feedback from the osc but that won't work for complex multifrequency VCOs or VCOs under FM.

No problem to use a high DC accuracy midi to CV device instead though.
Unifono0815
Worwell wrote:
Unifono0815 wrote:
slow_riot wrote:
So impressed with Reaktor 6, surprised it didn't revolutionise the eurorack scene, because the integration between hardware and software is as good as it can be.


Yes. Wondering too, why it's not more popular


There's some pretty strong anti-computer bias around these parts. I enjoy the Reaktor/Euro interaction but don't find myself reaching for it as much because it can be less immediate. I plan to address that by setting up more easy go-to templates with Reaktor and Maschine but that of course takes some programming which isn't nearly as fun as just playing the hardware.

Also, I'm not sure it can really "revolutionize" the format. With the exception of the new Kodiak blocks, I haven't found much in the Blocks that can't be replicated in hardware. I find it best for saving money on not having to buy modules. For example, I have a Reaktor/Maschine/ES-8,3 template that outputs two Wavetable LFO's with knobs controlling Rate, Wavetablel, Amplitude, and Wave, another output with two Euroreakt chaos outputs with knob control over rate and amplitude and the Sequential Routing Matrix block controlled by the 16 Maschine pads to replace a WMD SSM. (Its awesome and I never seem to use it...)


Yes I agree. It's not very immediate. I also build "module templates" with blocks and mapped them to Push in Ableton. That works great, but even though I have a tiny system (3U and a 0-coast) I tend to stick to the hardware as long as possible and only integrate Reaktor if somethings missing.
Still very powerful for small systems and to save money. And great sounding.
But not as fun as having hardware only.

The behind the panel patching can be great avoiding a cable mess. But it's not as immediate as Vcv Rack.
slow_riot
slow_riot wrote:


It's a shame there aren't any soundcards designed for DC accuracy (maybe something by Expert Sleepers?). My Audiofire 4 is DC coupled but the voltage reference driving the output DACs has really high drift, and once I had a fixed 1v/oct output it drifted by 20mV in a couple of minutes. They tried to compensate for that with the specialised 1v/oct block that used feedback from the osc but that won't work for complex multifrequency VCOs or VCOs under FM.


LOL, drift was due to multimeter running out of batteries.
letitbleep
NI insiders- any news on natively-supported microtonal implementation for blocks?

i realize it's available in silent way, but blocks work much better for me for calibrating hardware oscs
mpl
Quote:
Are there Blocks like Mutable Instruments Grids out there? This thing is so helpful and its source code is open source. So, maybe?

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-l ibrary/entry/show/11695/

try this out
mike
Entrainer
"The 6.2.2 update introduces a host of powerful new DSP building blocks and macros for builders. New features include filters (6- and 8-pole Butterworth bandpass, and more), effects (such as thru-zero phaser and flanger, asymmetric overdrive, and bit and sample rate reduction), LFO features (including tempo and transport position syncing), and reworked crossover macros."

Sounds like a great update. I hope some of those new DSP building blocks find their way into the Blocks format.
hermbot
That's actually really great news, it's good to see that there's still back-end development going on. (Which is probably driven by products they want to release themselves.)
SunSpots
So I'm like 10 years late to the reaktor party, but I've been geeking out building synths and stuff in Reaktor for the last month. I feel like no one's doing it anymore, because it's all been done, but i'm still having fun

I came up with a drum trigger modifier idea, and obviously someone had made something way better so I started using that lol.

but then I wanted an 8 channel serial fx path that I could choose whatever fx to be in whatever slot I wanted, then to modulate with 16 different modulators out to 32 different destinations, each able to mix into each other in a matrix... and I built it! damn it was crazy, but any modulator, goes anywhere, and any fx slot can have any of the fx.

I'm making a fx version and a version with a simple oscillator. with that many fx you don't need complicated synth techniques.

I am having a little bug where I can't get it to do polyphony... everything is poly not mono, and my voice number is 4... just can't get it to do more than 1 voice.

and I'm either building a behemoth or i'm super inefficient lol. I'm always running like 35-50 cpu, and that's AFTER some scaling down...
dpcoffin
SunSpots wrote:

but then I wanted an 8 channel serial fx path that I could choose whatever fx to be in whatever slot I wanted, then to modulate with 16 different modulators out to 32 different destinations, each able to mix into each other in a matrix... and I built it! damn it was crazy, but any modulator, goes anywhere, and any fx slot can have any of the fx.

I'm making a fx version and a version with a simple oscillator. with that many fx you don't need complicated synth techniques.
...


Sounds wonderful; planning to add this to the User Library I hope!?
SunSpots
dpcoffin wrote:
SunSpots wrote:

but then I wanted an 8 channel serial fx path that I could choose whatever fx to be in whatever slot I wanted, then to modulate with 16 different modulators out to 32 different destinations, each able to mix into each other in a matrix... and I built it! damn it was crazy, but any modulator, goes anywhere, and any fx slot can have any of the fx.

I'm making a fx version and a version with a simple oscillator. with that many fx you don't need complicated synth techniques.
...


Sounds wonderful; planning to add this to the User Library I hope!?


I may as Well! I still need to clean up some CPU issues. I found a bunch of waste earlier today which helped but I think there's some more in there somewhere. I'm also still testing to make sure all the modulation works. So far so good and I should be done anytime now. I was thinking about hacking some effects from some other people's stuff and just giving them credit for it because some of these FX actually sound really good. Recently I've just been using the basic reaktor and core fx... which is great too. I also need somebody to help me with the graphical design element cuz I think the basic design looks kind of stupid. Like the built-in design just looks dumb. I see all these really really cool looking synthesizers and I feel like mine should also look cool at the end of the day after I make it sound cool so people don't get turned off by the 1980s look that reaktor keeps flopping on to my user interface
dpcoffin
Excellent news:) Best of luck! There certainly are some great-looking ensembles out there…but also plenty, too, that have huge download numbers and sky-high ratings that don't use any added graphics.

IMO, better docs/help/comments and plenty of demo snaps are the most important "extra" features. I've been loving Reaktor and the UL for over 20 years now, written tutorials and made how-videos for various ensembles, but there's STILL a huge number of UL uploads that I can't figure out how to do anything—or anything interesting—with, including several of the just uploaded competition entries. Less is NOT more when it comes to usability!

This is definitely something I'd be happy to help with, in any way, like beta-testing, snap-making, even tutorial-video making. Wish I could also offer graphics help!
SunSpots
dpcoffin wrote:
Excellent news:) Best of luck! There certainly are some great-looking ensembles out there…but also plenty, too, that have huge download numbers and sky-high ratings that don't use any added graphics.

IMO, better docs/help/comments and plenty of demo snaps are the most important "extra" features. I've been loving Reaktor and the UL for over 20 years now, written tutorials and made how-videos for various ensembles, but there's STILL a huge number of UL uploads that I can't figure out how to do anything—or anything interesting—with, including several of the just uploaded competition entries. Less is NOT more when it comes to usability!

This is definitely something I'd be happy to help with, in any way, like beta-testing, snap-making, even tutorial-video making. Wish I could also offer graphics help!


You're totally right. I made huge gains today, getting real close to doing snapshots but first I gotta nail down a couple more fx and test every single bipolar knob on the 8x16 matrix... as well as each of 32 destinations lol. Video ideas... General operation, quirks, how to connect another instrument, and how to slot in your own fx. I haven't thought about a manual... but it couldn't hurt... guess I was thinking about a video manual.

Well ill let you know when it's ready to go up and if you can help it would be great! I am guessing I'm very close... I guess I'll go default colors and knobs. I looked at some online free knobs and meh... standard is fine. I really just want it to work right and have no bugs and sound really cool.
dpcoffin
Yeah, video manual—Cool:) Lemme know, whenever, whatever!
dpcoffin at earthlink dot net
modul8tr
mwvm wrote:
The beauty to me of blocks is using the CV modulation and sequencing with the ES-3. I've replaced most of my cv eurorack modules because of reaktor.

I assume most eurorack users have fed cv into a module and expected more and felt a little underwhelmed with the results. Reaktor kisses goodbye to this problem because of the excellent modules integrate so well with the ES-3.

Even things like a 8 step sequencer. 8 steps? It's not a lot. However, no problem, use 2, 3 or 4 sequencers with sequential switching.... You just can't do this with hardware without being very rich.

I can't wait for a new update. What I would like is a comprehensive sampler/looper with the ability to record audio.


I’m currently creating templates for sequencing my modular and was wondering if there were switchers. Gonna look into this tonight, but if you could explain the process or how you set it up it would help me a bunch. Still a bit of a newb with the blocks (due to so many responsibilities with my other instruments) but getting there. I’m also amazed this has yet to revolutionize eurorack! Love it.
_lampshade_
Anyone have a good workflow for integrating reaktor with external euro as a plugin in ableton? I have found this to be a major pita. For example it quickly becomes confusing which cv output channel corresponds to which track in ableton as all the numbers are different. And ableton only has stereo tracks, you can set a track to output only on a sound cards mono output but it will still correspond to a pair of outputs from reaktor? If I’m using the reaktor external cv controller block to calibrate and control a vco through ableton what should I do with that channels volume slider?
listentoaheartbeat
So many options in Ableton using the External Audio Effect (send CV, return audio with the added benefit of automatic latency compensation), groups or returns, track naming and colors.

Really a matter of personal preference how to do it, but once you have found your personal solution I recommend saving e.g. the group as a template. This way you can easily drag it in and all routing is ready to go.

Keeping naming consistent for the Reaktor ports and channels in Live is also recommended, and you can even name the inputs and outputs of your audio interface in the Preferences.

I posted more info about some of these workflows in the following thread: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=179502&start=0&postd ays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
_lampshade_
thanks! using the external effect setup helped a lot.
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