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Am I too late? (talk of 'modular')
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Author Am I too late? (talk of 'modular')
southphillysynths
I'm coming from euro land and thinking that I may try out frac. I specifically see a lot of people using bugs along side serge and I have lusted after serge for a while but I just don't think it will happen.

Anyways I want to stick with one manufacturer for modular and bugbrand seemed to be right up my alley as far as functionality/techniques in modules. I prefer AD evnelopes, simple vcos, wavefolding etc.

When checking the website it seems the modular is not really being produced anymore. I wanted to start with maybe one 19'' rack to begin with. How hard are these modules to come by? I feel that people that already have large systems are not wanting to sell them off...


[[BugEdit - I added some extra words to the title]]
clarke68
southphillysynths wrote:
When checking the website it seems the modular is not really being produced anymore. I wanted to start with maybe one 19'' rack to begin with. How hard are these modules to come by? I feel that people that already have large systems are not wanting to sell them off...

They come up on B/S/T occasionally. The nice thing is that Bugbrand owners tend to be cool folks so, if/when they sell their systems, they tend to offer them for the price they paid and not marked up 15x.

Tom runs his business the way he runs his business. If he were interested in a boring, endless manufacturing gig I'm sure he would have kept cranking out Bugbrand modules until they were everywhere.

If you haven't already, sign up for the newsletter on his site...that way you'll be first to hear about anything that happens. I'm no more "in the know" than anybody, but there was a glimmer of hope in this morning's email...
BugBrand
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I won't be making modular modular any more, but a new pre-configured design (covering all the points you mention above) is well underway!
southphillysynths
BugBrand

WOW sometimes I just have perfect timing! screaming goo yo

Well as long as it has nanners and I can make some good bongo/nature sound patches as well as do droney sequency stuff I'm in!

SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!

(and in the description it says your sequencing with a minibrute, I will most likely be doing that as well so that is pretty exciting!)
3001
keep a lookout on BST, and money ready, if you're able to buy bugbrand, it'll most likely be a full system. It's a great system, I really miss mine, I had to sell mine for a trans-state move and regret it. I ended up with a fairly large system before I had to sell for renting fees. I regret it most days! the bug LPGs are my favorite outside of buchla. And a host of other great modules.

Amazing how all these great modules came from just one guy BugBrand! BugBrand! It's peanut butter jelly time!
southphillysynths
3001 wrote:
keep a lookout on BST, and money ready, if you're able to buy bugbrand, it'll most likely be a full system. It's a great system, I really miss mine, I had to sell mine for a trans-state move and regret it. I ended up with a fairly large system before I had to sell for renting fees. I regret it most days! the bug LPGs are my favorite outside of buchla. And a host of other great modules.

Amazing how all these great modules came from just one guy BugBrand! BugBrand! It's peanut butter jelly time!


thanks for the input! I would probably only really want 1/2 rows for a system honestly. It seems that most systems are at least 4-5 meh

we will see what the new system has to hold, I'll start saving now and try to hold on for a while to see what comes up/ what comes out...
BugBrand
clarke68 wrote:
Tom runs his business the way he runs his business. If he were interested in a boring, endless manufacturing gig I'm sure he would have kept cranking out Bugbrand modules until they were everywhere.


Ha, yeah, I know.. (though I do get kept busy building still - I do all hardware assembly and testing myself still [very occasional a very little help] - quite possibly not the most sensible way but...)

The thing with the Modular was that it was sooo nebulous and all consuming - the scope of it just grew so much since I launched it - it was great, but life changes (becoming a Dad and moving) made me realise it wasn't viable to continue in that way. Actually, I did already before that want to change things up somewhat, but that was the catalyst. Since then I've just done 'self-contained' designs.

Good thing, though, is that these changes meant I got a chance to pause & consider - I've been able to do a lot of extra work (reading,simulation,testing) to take the old ideas and make them even better [in red & blue] - so, a good growth!

I'm still trying out a lot and dreaming of many different areas - but I always was someone who threw a lot at the wall with only a little sticking. These days it takes a lot longer to bring something out. I've shown a few of the prototypes I've done up and then realised they weren't right (slightly or totally) - its all iterative - kind of like ongoing practice.

Like, last night I began imagining using BBDs.. will try, for sure - though I must keep some focus on the main releases coming down the line.
Kalerne
BugBrand wrote:
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I won't be making modular modular any more, but a new pre-configured design (covering all the points you mention above) is well underway!


Wow. This sounds very good !

Would this design include some sequencing/randomness ? (sorry if that's too early for asking)
blue_lu
To all the bugbrand insiders - how would you describe the bugbrand sound? Is the approach more east or more west coast like (talking about pinging filters, etc...).
BugBrand
No, no sequencing within - that would be a later frame.
But great fun driven by external CV/Gate - Korg SQ1 is a lot of cheap fun, for example. VCOs track well and are nicely stable!


Bug-sounds -- someone said a few days ago (can't find) that plugging into BugBrand sounds like plugging straight into the electrics. Not sure?! Ha!

This machine may appear quite 'standard' in its synth architecture, but it has some nice oddities built in. While it 'only' has 3 VCOs, there are actually 4 other oscillation sources (loop envs & self-osc filters).
phisynth
blue_lu wrote:
To all the bugbrand insiders - how would you describe the bugbrand sound? Is the approach more east or more west coast like (talking about pinging filters, etc...).


not sure how to define it precisely, but after a gig I made last week on it, some euro freak came to me saying "wow, I'll never be able to get such a huge sound out of my rig", and said to me later he then tried all night long hihi.

Pretty much says all I think ;-)
slow_riot
I think you've got a good thing going at the moment Tom with high quality creative boxes. Another Tom I know was saying that he wished things like that existed: pedal like devices but with interesting musical circuits, and I was glad to forward him your details.

I look forward to seeing more of your creations!
vegas7188
Cor this new machine sounds quite exciting, have been keen on having more modulation sources for the various Red Bugs i have, and have certainly lusted after the Blue Bugs for quite a while now. Looking forward to seeing what the future holds!

(Think i might pick up an SQ-1 soon too)
southphillysynths
three vcos and other mod sources is way more than I even had in the 9u that I had! SlayerBadger!

even more excited now
exper
This is very interesting. I've pined for a small BB system ever since hearing BananaPlug's system at the philly modular meets. Something very alive to it. And the LPGs are amazing on it. If this standalone system has a Bugbrand LPG or two in it, I might have to jump on it.
a100user
Like many established BugBrand owners I'm also looking forward to these new pre-configured designs.

Because Tom will only release something when he is happy with it, I can say I haven't had a module or unit that is then discarded for something else. I assure you that having happily dumped a ton of Euro rack that is saying a lot.

[q] how would you describe the BugBrand sound? [\q]

There are traces of both east & west but fundamentally it's all Bug, everything gels - the best thing about single designer systems I believe.
BugBrand
exper wrote:
If this standalone system has a Bugbrand LPG or two in it, I might have to jump on it.


Sorry, I gave up the use of vactrols a few years ago.
exper
BugBrand wrote:
exper wrote:
If this standalone system has a Bugbrand LPG or two in it, I might have to jump on it.


Sorry, I gave up the use of vactrols a few years ago.


sad banana
slow_riot
Vactrols are mainly popular because of how willing people are to give up cash in return for Buchla forgeries.

For the £5-10 that needs to be paid for a good VTL5C3 you can get an AD633 linear multiplier, or a THAT2181, which outperform the vactrol in every area except perhaps CV feedthrough.

Oh, and the VTL series has now been discontinued anyway, so any designer with good conscience would not sell a design with an obsolete part.
s_d
ha, the electricity comment was mine - hard to describe, but patching Bug does feel like tapping into raw power sometimes. kinda like trying to harness an elemental.
BugBrand
LPGs are nice when you select the right vactrols, but I found the variance too much, even for small production runs. Their specs tend to be pretty wide (super wide for the NSL32s - I remember stumbling across the guy who'd designed those and he described the specs as 'wide enough to drive a truck through'!).
arnoux
Great news, just joined the newsletter to avoid missing the new devices.

Always thought I was late too, great, great to now there's this new synth on the desk in the ecxact moment I'm looking for alternatives to my euro, this looks like the perfect one, the missing one, don't know how to say it better.

Tom, just to know, do you see another Spring Tanker and DRM1(X) batch in the future or are those atomic candies discontinued?
BugBrand
I've still got boards for maybe 20 more Spring Tankers.
DRM1 bits are all gone for now - not sure if I'll do another run - certainly not imminently.
AyeAye!
arnoux
BugBrand wrote:
I've still got boards for maybe 20 more Spring Tankers.
DRM1 bits are all gone for now - not sure if I'll do another run - certainly not imminently.
AyeAye!


Thanks for the reply, hope to see the Spring Tanker reissue succeed!
BugBrand
I'd not consider it a re-issue (nit picking!)
May be interesting for people to hear how I do things now..
I typically order a production run of 60 boards (fully stuffed - SMD for most parts, except for a few caps and all headers) & 60+ panels (few extra in case of scratches/blemishes).
Then I finish these up in several smaller batches over some months. I fit all the hardware components myself to the control boards (switches, pots etc so I can be sure they're good). Then put together main board, control board and panel, add knobs etc, put in a case (which are standard parts shared by all designs), then test and calibrate.
Smarter people have suggested I out-source more, but somehow I still don't! I did used to have someone working for me 3 days a week, doing much of the assembly, but I couldn't keep him on when life changed 2.5 years ago (parenthood, moving country briefly, then living in the countryside). I do have an occasional helper to make a few of the control boards, but that's kind of rare at the moment.
arnoux
I know you know mine was just mistranslation!

Thanks for sharing your workflow, very interesting indeed.
arnoux
BugBrand wrote:

I won't be making modular modular any more, but a new pre-configured design (covering all the points you mention above) is well underway!


How's going with this bad boy?
Can we expect some specifications before the release or are you going to show it when ready to go?

Thanks in advance,

F
BugBrand
It has been said that "slow & steady wins the race" - well, these designs do go quite slow, not always steady (fits & starts - pause then progress). [edit - was going to say that I'm not really in any race - though I do sometimes trip myself up..] Doing up (hopefully) final 2 prototypes at the moment (already taken a month+ so far) - one will go out for beta testing. It has actually only been fairly minimal tweaking in this stage.

I would hope for a springtime release - though making a full run of 60 will probably take up a good chunk of the year - as before, likely doing several smaller batches.

Brief specs:
Dual Envelope - VC Attack/Decay (development of the ENV1)
3 x Compact VCO
Dual Filter - VC State Variable (development of the PRC3A)
Dual Amplifier - VCAmps - one with switchable wavefolding, one with switchable saturation
Dual Mixer - 2 input DC mixer, 3 input output mixer (with sub/aux)

I'm still not sure what the next 'frame' will be.. plenty of ideas being tried out gradually.
arnoux
Thanks for the reply, take your time, I'm just considering going fully Banana so I'm collecting food for thoughts at the moment.

Great to hear about a second frame intention.
Hainbach
I hope I don't miss out when the new synth arrives - would work wonders with my portable setup!
BugBrand
I put my two test setups together & controlled them with a Roland 184 Keyboard (funnily enough, getting this [thanks a100user!] was something of a driver behind designing the system) with audio/clocking from a Sonic Potions LXR.
4 Voice synth fun - with dodgy keyboard skills or farting around on the arpeggiations. Each voice set up as simple -> VCO->VCF->VCA->output
On one of them [3rd with drums] I patched in cross modulation between the oscillators -- on the final one I used some sync.

Best on headphones or good speakers!

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leeski
Wow! amazingballs finger crossed for a batch when i have bread, good luck with all thumbs up
moog55
that sounds incredible, Tom! w00t


BugBrand wrote:
I put my two test setups together & controlled them with a Roland 184 Keyboard (funnily enough, getting this [thanks a100user!] was something of a driver behind designing the system) with audio/clocking from a Sonic Potions LXR.
4 Voice synth fun - with dodgy keyboard skills or farting around on the arpeggiations. Each voice set up as simple -> VCO->VCF->VCA->output
On one of them [3rd with drums] I patched in cross modulation between the oscillators -- on the final one I used some sync.

Best on headphones or good speakers!

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rico loverde
i love everything about this thread. i have always wanted a bug system and hopefully someday a used one will come up when i have some cash. The DRM is my favorite drum module in any format and i want 2 more!!!! Very excited about the new ideas! It's peanut butter jelly time! BugBrand!
a100user
Sounds great Tom
Gringo Starr
a100user wrote:
Sounds great Tom


Agreed.
polyroy
Tom, you're a legend. Also, I've always wanted to pair my Bug system with a 184 and what you've done with it sounds immense.
nanobot
rico loverde wrote:
i love everything about this thread. i have always wanted a bug system and hopefully someday a used one will come up when i have some cash. The DRM is my favorite drum module in any format and i want 2 more!!!! Very excited about the new ideas! It's peanut butter jelly time! BugBrand!


Agreed! love my DRM, hope to get another some day when the twin planets of availability and finances align. confused

Unless I start a fire sale, doubt I will be able to afford in time but still interested to know how much the new design will be. May prompt me to rethink my priorities! Mr. Green

Btw Tom, really enjoying your FXHE release which I picked up not so long ago. thumbs up
BugBrand
Thanks all!

Ha, having done up the last DRM1+X (for now or ...) I kind of want to do a DRM2 instead of doing more of the same. [tried a 2 osc drum generator using the 1Frame - cross mod oscs give a lot of possibles]
otoskope
Tom is a nice guy, playing nice sounds, using keyboard and all. I am evil, and given a chance to try the new thing, I made it sound like this:

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Edit: one more track!
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This is only one frame of new Bugbrand, combined with a Hinton SwitchMix for feedback and modulation routing. So all CV and sounds are generated within the Bugbrand frame. No overdubs, a few edits. No mastering or fx.
BugBrand
I would say 'NICE!' but it doesn't seem appropriate now..!
otoskope
Wait until I receive my new 8-voice MIDI-CV converter. Then I'm gonna go polyphonic baroque (e.g., very nice) all over my Bug-modular.
/\/\/\/
Quote:
Then I'm gonna go polyphonic baroque (e.g., very nice)


Switched on Bug?

(Sorry... had to. But I would love that.)

This looks quite amazing -- can't wait to hear more (same goes for this DRM-2...)
BugBrand
Ha, yeah, I forgot for a moment that you do have proper piano skills!


/\/\/\ - DRM2 - don't hold your breath! I'd actually thought DRM2 would be a Weevil drum 18-24 months ago, but that didn't get anywhere.. who knows (what and/or when)
otoskope
I added one more track with matrixed bugbrand prototype above. Still the noisy evil kind. Actually, all three tracks are made from the same patch. Just trying to make it sound less nice than that nice guy Tom.
BugBrand
I popped in to Elevator Sound in Bristol last week, taking one of my prototypes - somehow a photo appeared on their twitter (ok, I did say yes), so only fair to share it here too::::



Still a month or two off (and the proper one will be blue)
otoskope
Ah, you will break the internet! very frustrating help seriously, i just don't get it
BugBrand
otoskope wrote:
Ah, you will break the internet! :bang: :help: :despair:


I'm not pulling too bad a face, am I?!
otoskope
BugBrand wrote:
otoskope wrote:
Ah, you will break the internet! very frustrating help seriously, i just don't get it


I'm not pulling too bad a face, am I?!


Oh, you look like you, for sure (i.e., the mad genius look). And compared to other people who have deliberately tried to break the internet, you're also wearing more clothes.

I'm glad the modular frame is naked, though.
southphillysynths
screaming goo yo screaming goo yo

that looks simply beautiful! I assume it wont be cheap though, might not have the funds Dead Banana
s_d
otoskope wrote:
Ah, you will break the internet! very frustrating help seriously, i just don't get it


that would require Tom getting onto Facebook, wouldn't it hihi

saw this on twitter - beautiful (but will be more so in blue!)
sound warrior
OMG!! I've just herd the soundcloud demos they sound amazing! this sounds like a wicked alternative to the phenol tom do you know how much it will weigh?
arnoux
Tom, congratulations, it looks wonderful. Lotsa Love

Hope to be fast enough getting one from the first bunch..
Kernelkunt
Im loving the sound demos so far. Very exciting project. Tom, do you have any hints as to what the price will be?
BugBrand
I'll be dribbling them out over several months (quite possibly stretching right through the rest of the year)

Pricing - still not firmed but def. sub £1500 (ex. VAT)
So, not cheap (I would never want to be), but perhaps very reasonable for such a system - I have compared with some euro setups and think I have some similar ball parks, with some nice powers onboard - and, of course, they don't have banana love.
BugBrand
sound warrior wrote:
do you know how much it will weigh?


The prototype is around 1.5KG (without endcheeks and the panels are regular thickness rather than production 3.2mm)
so - max 2kg

(usual frame depth is 2.3" - ie the whole thing is extremely portable + internal DCDC power so runs off worldwide 12V supply like all my standalones)
Kernelkunt
BugBrand sounds fair, "botique" electronics is never going to be cheap. thumbs up
Fnord
Totally fair price. LOVE my bugbrand.
deltaphoenix
This thread has made my day! I have some banana gear that needs more friends, very excited!

I am going to have to start to wake up extra early so that I can catch the news letter early enough to buy one of these (it seems like when I wake up, drink my coffee and see the newsletter in my email, all of the new stuff is gone by the time I jump onto the BugBrand site)
BugBrand
The problem is that I never really plan what time I'll do mailouts!
Could be UK morning, afternoon or evening..
Keeps us all on our toes!
ninGiaBoom
[quote="BugBrand"]I popped in to Elevator Sound in Bristol last week, taking one of my prototypes - somehow a photo appeared on their twitter

Well , many thanks foe that photo that breaks up some tension around...waiting for your new creature applause

Cheers
otoskope
Here's another track made with the new Bug-frame. Not completely happy with the take, but it will have to do for now. Apart from making a drone for my sick drone-making friend Bobodrone, I wanted to test the polyphony of the new Bug-frame synth frame. Properly configured, it can have seven oscillators, of which 5 respond to V/octave CV (3 proper oscs, 2 resonant filters), the two others being the envelopes ran at audio rate, which can do all kinds of interesting things.

So, this drone piece is recorded in one take with all 7 voices generated simultaneously by one new Bug-frame, mixed in the box. The CV is generated by other Old Blue modules, basically a weevil module and a two clock dividers, all routed through a Hinton. The stereo signal from the frame goes through a stereo spring reverb, too (2 x Bugbrand Spring Tanker). Enjoy.

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BugBrand
Finally had a listen - nice one Palle!

I put out a new multitrack demo jobbie last week too::

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On the hoof recording with drivers from Korg SQ1 and Arturia Beatstep Pro - multitracked little snippets then mixed down through the desk with Spring, Lexicon PrimeTime and StereoCompress.
otoskope
That's a nice one, too, Tom.

And with my track, at least I think I managed to prove the your new box is more than a "synth voice", right? smile Quite amazing how much one can squeeze out of it at the same time.
GryphonP3
BugBrand wrote:
Finally had a listen - nice one Palle!

I put out a new multitrack demo jobbie last week too::

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/252327334" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]

On the hoof recording with drivers from Korg SQ1 and Arturia Beatstep Pro - multitracked little snippets then mixed down through the desk with Spring, Lexicon PrimeTime and StereoCompress.


Really sounds great Tom! Looking forward to more news smile
adamon
Can't believe it took the death of the old bug modular mail list to wake me up about this thing... dayum! applause love SlayerBadger!

VERY interested... Sounds absolutely stellar we're not worthy hyper

Here's a vote for another panel to be an expanded touch controller/sequencer/clock! Having a playable little thing like this would just melt my face off... screaming goo yo Dead Banana
playrecords
Lotsa Love
MATSmile
Really hope for some more news this week The Chewbacca Defense
chvad
Really excited about this. Will you do any pre-orders for the new rig?
BugBrand
Nah, no pre-orders still - sorry, it just hasn't ever worked for me.

MATSmile wrote:
Really hope for some more news this week :wookie:


Me too - but it depends on me getting the final bits tied up still! Working well through the final stages, but there's always a lot of Ts to cross etc..
MATSmile
BugBrand wrote:
Nah, no pre-orders still - sorry, it just hasn't ever worked for me.

MATSmile wrote:
Really hope for some more news this week The Chewbacca Defense


Me too - but it depends on me getting the final bits tied up still! Working well through the final stages, but there's always a lot of Ts to cross etc..

Good to hear! Quick question, why you've decided to come back to blue faceplates instead of sticking to the other color to show the difference between the old blue and new modules?
BugBrand
Don't overthink it!

Green = standard for prototypes

I did initially think red (like the standalones) but then thought it deserved to be blue - partly to differentiate from the reds. But maybe it should have been different from the old-blue.. Ah well, so it goes!
/\/\/\/
I'd personally like to see some kind of Bug habitat that is like a house made of synths (in varying colors). Have to say, the BugBrand aesthetic is second only to the sounds.
MATSmile
BugBrand wrote:
Don't overthink it!

Green = standard for prototypes

I did initially think red (like the standalones) but then thought it deserved to be blue - partly to differentiate from the reds. But maybe it should have been different from the old-blue.. Ah well, so it goes!

I guess it's already too late anyways Flamey
cygmu
[never mind, the Voice has its own thread now]
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