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Reflex LiveLoop Sampler
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Based on the feature list, how would you rate the Reflex LiveLoop?
Amazing!
72%
 72%  [ 170 ]
Pretty Good
15%
 15%  [ 36 ]
Too Complicated
11%
 11%  [ 26 ]
Too many HP for my rack!
1%
 1%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 236

Author Reflex LiveLoop Sampler
Sandrine
I decided to start a new topic, as the old sampler ( https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140591&highlight= ) is so different!

The new Sampler, the Reflex LiveLoop has a new face, now 16 HP (was 14HP). I promise it won't get any larger!



Yesterday, I finally managed to get the new core up and running, which isn't bad as the chip I've been waiting for only arrived Thursday.

*Hopefully* we'll be starting our first run in "spring", barring any major issues / delays. These will be fully assembled, until we get a DIY method going.

Here's the new feature list for the Reflex LiveLoop Stand-alone:

Record Sample Rate: 174 seconds in stereo at 48Ks/s.
This isn't an "up to" spec., it's better than CD quality for almost 3minutes!
- Maximum Record times / quality per channel:
174 seconds @ 48Ks/s 16 bit >CD Quality
248 seconds @ 24Ks/s 16 bit >FM Radio Quality
11.6 minutes @ 12Ks/s 16 bit >AM Radio Quality
23.2 minutes @ 6Ks/s 16 bit Retro Sampler Quality
46.4 minutes @ 3Ks/s 16 bit Min Voice Quality
92.8 minutes @ 1.5Ks/s 16 bit LFO, Wave making Quality )
- 10 octave Sample Rate Playback range via CV + Rate Knob offset
- Knob Take-over Sample Rate recall for each Mode transition:
- LED circle direction indication (four flashes) and present Rate position indication
- "Smart Take-over" eliminates "hard" jumps by becoming active once Knob returns to previous position
- "Slide-To" for moving away from previous sample rate position

I/O:
- Trigger inputs for Record/SOS/Delay/Play/Clock, Creating Slices, Playing Slices, PlayFX start/sync
- Gate input for PlayFX
- Footswitch (S-Trig/Gate) for Record/SOS/Delay/Play, PlayFX start/sync/stop
- Bipolar CV inputs for Sample Rate Control/offset, EQ bands, with attenuvertors
- Unipolar CV inputs for Slice Selection, PlayFX start and End Control offsets

Audio:
- Stereo Inputs 10V p-p L&R all samples rec/play in stereo
- Feedback Return input isolated mix to sampler, Feedback insert return
- Stereo Outputs 10V p-p L&R
- Blend Control to mix incoming audio with outgoing audio
- Feedback Level control for send, or third output channel of sample output only (for multiple amps)
- intelligent auto fade-out for echo and layer stops independant of input mix setting (1/2 cross fade)
- Spectrum Analyzer for RGB "Color Organ" audio indication/analysis.
- Zero Crossing Point Loop Lock and Soft-Mute technology for click free speed looping.
- Low latency triggering <1mS for fast triggers, click free soft shoulder for slower. 7uS trigger pulse.
- Zero latency pass through EQ filters and near zero latency (20uS) sampler input (great for accurate slicing)

RP (record/play) Sampler Modes:
- 3 Main RP (Record/Play) Modes: Layer, Echo (delay), R/P Sampler (simple record/punch-in/append)
- Foot Switch compatibility Mode (S-Trig) for foot controlled sync'ed echo/looping/layering
- Record (Continuous) PlayFX and Slices simultaneously into delay/sample/layer for Looping afterwards
- Auto-Slices R/P, Echo (delay), Layer action points for instant recall using Slice Select/CV
- No "Memory Full" stop of recording, loops forever! Good to recall recent sequences via Play Slices
- Clock Trigger Synchronization of Layer and Echo by "Arming" Steps with /1 - /16 setting for Arm Record/Delay/Play sync and following sync of Slices looping

Sample Slicing:
- Sample Slicing during any mode (Record/Play/Echo etc), up to 400 slices
- Slicing via T/G input &, Audio Peaks & Slice button simultaneously, or Auto-Slicing with every event (default)
- Peak Auto-Slicing by audio levels and intelligent noise floor, amplitude angle/delta algorithm.
- Slicing format controlled intuitively by Mode:
. Record: Sequential Slicing (Slice End = Next Slice Start)
. Echo (delay) / Layer (SOS) : Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. Infinite echo/Layer play: Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. R/P Record/Play loop: Sequential Slicing
. Play FX Start/End, Position/Size miniLoops: Loop sized slices starting at slice creation
. PlayFX G-Move: Present G-Move position
- Sequence Slices via CV voltage ratio / # of Slices and Slice Play trigger
- 1-16 Manual Slice Play selector/ CV offset with LED Slice# indication
- Slice Sample Rate recall + Rate knob offset + Rate CV offset
- Variable Rate Slicing to increase record time drastically when HIFI not req'd with "as created" playback
- "Slice Groove" 200 note sequencer feature: Record a tap sequence using selected slices, then loop playback!
- Slice Record Over-dubbing / replace inside defined slice.

PlayFX:
- 3 PlayFX Modes to play sections of RP Sample at any time, slice-able
- PlayFX (all modes) inside of slices (global) and button controlled permanent Slice modification
- Simultaneous Record and PlayFX/Slice to loop/echo out applied FX.
- PlayFX Trigger input for Start/re-start miniLoop Play

PlayFX Modes:
- Loop Start/End controls & CV's for Sample/MiniLoop/Slice/G-Move Playing
- Reverse PlayFX when in Start/End Play mode (by reversing Start and End controls)
- Loop Position/Sizes & CV's for constant Loop size while panning through Sample/MiniLoop/Slice
- G-Move Flowing Granulizer Direction/Speed and Grain Size knob and CV controllable. Sizes: < 1 mS to 250 mS.
- G-Move Granulizer "roll space" can be defined by presently playing MiniLoop, Echo/delay, Layer or Slice boundries.
- Layered PlayFX priority: MiniLoop/Granulize inside a Slice, Granulize inside of a MiniLoop, Slice over a MiniLoop.
- Play FX or a Slice while still Recording / Layering / Echoing via Buttons or T/G.
- Built in CV band controllable EQ for fine tuning feedback and FX output. Flat band mode for CV VCA FX.
- FX (Left) channel feedback insert for external send return filter insertion. Adjustable Send 10V P-P standard.

Interface:
- 32 LED Indicators, 9 for LED Circle to indicate Last Rate upon return from/to modes and Slice Select/Clock div set
- Power up panel Last Settings memory
- USART, audio and data bus Interface for possible Future Expansion:
MIDI controller, Extra audio, CV, SD Card/USB drive, Slicer/sequencer, Splitter, all of the above (Super Looper?)
- Arduino Atmega 2560 16AU with on-board USB
- Firmware Upgrade-able, ships with V1.00 as of April 2016:
. Highly possible additions to feature list:
. [yes]Slice overdub, [yes] Peak slice "back slice" alignment, [yes] Auto calibrate (Feedback Max Position), Auto Calibrate (CV's), [yes]Peak Audio Record Arming, [yes] Loop End Trigger Pulse output



I've kept the basic functions intuitive very simple to access, but there's more advanced, less used functions that can be accessed by holding down buttons.
The "transport" buttons, red, white, and green, are tap on, tap step-to-next, hold stop style for the most part. For example, in R/P mode (record/play) a tap on the record button will start a record, and a second tap will end the record and start the sample playing, while subsequent taps will punch-in/append the loop.
In Echo(delay) and Layer Modes, this makes it easy to get a sync like tap-tempo. The T/G & Footswitch inputs can work the same way.
The Clock input (Rec T/F/C) can be set from /1 to /16 and can be used with "arming" the record button to act as a sync to external modules. This clock sync will allow slices (if created in echo(delay) or Layer modes) to also be synced. Rate variance updates ensure the samples stay in sync.
skipperdean
Whoa!!! This looks fantastic, I look forward to trying it out. Good job!
Sandrine
skipperdean wrote:
Whoa!!! This looks fantastic, I look forward to trying it out. Good job!


Right on!

Cheers!
Matos
Damn! This looks great. As soon as you have a price let us know.
apophis93
Strong interest here. Keep us posted.

- Daniel
mbroers
would love to see a demo vid or some sound samples.. looks awesome though!
jackmattson
Looks really cool but a bit hard to follow from the panel.

Do you have sound examples for what an FXmode means and other strange things I've not heard of? Perhaps from your last live sampler.
insula
so... is similar a phonogene but with a proper and long audio buffer.

thumbs up thumbs up
flab
and couple of hundreds cheaper
insula
flab wrote:
and couple of hundreds cheaper


applause applause applause applause applause
edwinm
oh yes!
Amer1231
for me its pretty nice, i will be needing an estimation for the price but i can see how people would find it crammed. screaming goo yo
Sandrine
insula wrote:
so... is similar a phonogene but with a proper and long audio buffer.

thumbs up thumbs up


It is similar, but in stereo, and yes longer record time. A 2 channel sample loop can be playing/echoing/recording, then a PLAYFX (play button) can be started from the point of record/play/loop (depending on present mode and play mode) for a "miniLoop" or grain moving through the sample. When released, the original playing/recording sample will be at the position it would have been at had no PLAYFX been played. This allows for a sync'ed sound on sound, echo, or sample loop to stay in sync.

As the audio is patched back to the input of the sampler while recording, an echo would trail the PLAYFX you have just executed, or a sound-on-sound record would mix the PLAYFX back into the record. If just in basic R/P (record/Play) mode, while recording, then that will have been recorded into the sample presently being recorded.

Also, the price will be quite a bit less than the phonogene smile

jackmattson wrote:
Looks really cool but a bit hard to follow from the panel.

Do you have sound examples for what an FXmode means and other strange things I've not heard of? Perhaps from your last live sampler.


The sound examples from this sampler are pretty lame thus far, but I'll post something as soon as possible.
FX Modes are either "miniLooping" within a slice or sample, depending on what's playing at the moment, using Start/End controls or Position/Size controls to select an area of the sample for miniLooping, or a really tight loop called a grain that moves through the same at a rate defined by forward/backward setting of G-Move control. In G-Move mode, the size varies from <1mS to about 250mS as a grain of sound should.

Basically, this PLAY FX modes are just assignments to the Start/End knobs. PLAY FX becomes active with the PLAY button or T/G input, and will take control of the outputs while on, then return to the sample/slice playing (if was) when toggled off.

The REC button simply controls the playing/recording of the main sample to be worked on. Depending on the R/P mode, it can toggle between record and play, sound-on-sound layering, or echo time/endless loop/echo continue.

The SLICE button and SLICE T/G can create slices, or play slices if one is selected. SL.PLAY plays a slice selected by the Slice CV input.
A PLAY FX (Play button) can loop inside of a slice as defined by PLAY FX mode: miniLoops or G-Move grains.

What's really cool is a slice can be created at any point of play. For example, a running echo is interrupted by a PLAY FX, and you hit the slice button. The Reflex knows you intend to recall that moment in a slice, and uses the echo time to terminate the slice (unless another is created first) so it can be recalled as a slice play with the same loop point as the echo! This gets rid of those awkward sync issues.


mbroers wrote:
would love to see a demo vid or some sound samples.. looks awesome though!


There will definitely be videos, I really really want to show this off! Plus I just *love* doing videos.

apophis93 wrote:
Strong interest here. Keep us posted.

- Daniel

Will do daniel


Matos wrote:
Damn! This looks great. As soon as you have a price let us know.


Thanks Matos. I know the panel looks white, but it'll actually be black lettering on aluminum.
Waiting for a quote on P'n'P costs, and a couple of the very expensive chips, which will determine a range of $350 - $400 I project.
-edit- That's fully assembled, not kit/DIY
Sandrine
I haven't any really good audio samples of G-Move yet (working on user interface tonight) but here's one I did using a sample of audio from MIA's "Jimmy", with what would be a MIDI ->CV & Trigger to select slices that were created by Peak Slicer. The sample rate was also being controlled by alternate notes at the time.
www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/samsamJimmy.MP3
jackmattson
I'm looking for a good DIY drum sampler... I guess this is something different although from the Slicing features sounds like it might be possible to get it to work like Dr. Rex from Reason?

I could see an SD card slot being great for recording loops, recalling loops etc. So far I haven't fund a DIY recorder for Euro rack that would let me record and press a button to start a new file. This sampler would be great if I could just use it as that... an input idea saver and loop file playback machine.
leeski
looks cool and i'm in for one of these brutes hyper
Sandrine
jackmattson wrote:
I'm looking for a good DIY drum sampler... I guess this is something different although from the Slicing features sounds like it might be possible to get it to work like Dr. Rex from Reason?

I could see an SD card slot being great for recording loops, recalling loops etc. So far I haven't fund a DIY recorder for Euro rack that would let me record and press a button to start a new file. This sampler would be great if I could just use it as that... an input idea saver and loop file playback machine.


What you need is an SD Card sample player for drums, but there is a way to do it with the Reflex. Just set for Peak Slicing and record a bunch of different drums in, one after the other, no matter the timing. This will create numerous slices that can be accessed in the order they were sliced at via CV and T/G.
I've done this and it worked surprisingly well :
samsampeakslicedrums.MP3
The first part is just sampling a riff (not an ordered set of drums) then playing/sequencing them back as slices and shifting the sample rate.

Leeski:
Great, guess I'd better augment the run size, looks like we'll need them!
bennelong.bicyclist
Looks good. What's the bit-depth? 8-bit, 12-bit or 16-bit? Is all this really powered just be an ATmega 2560? Or is that just a co-processor to something else?
Sandrine
bennelong.bicyclist wrote:
Looks good. What's the bit-depth? 8-bit, 12-bit or 16-bit? Is all this really powered just be an ATmega 2560? Or is that just a co-processor to something else?


The bit-depth is 16 bit, and native record/play sample rate 48KHz in all modes. The Max record time is 175 seconds.

The Atmega 2560 is just the user interface controller, which incidentally will eventually become open source. The core access would act as a library of sorts, connected via SPI.
Moog$FooL$
woah!!! that looks groovy. thumbs up
i don't use euro..... but just wanted to say hi & right on to a fellow BC wiggler that's building some awesome!

good luck, i'm wishing u success & hope to see & hear more about this.

SlayerBadger! w00t nanners Rockin' Banana!
Modulus
I'm definitely interested if this is pre-assembled. Really like the per slice granular and echo fx controls.

Also, can you load samples off sd card? Or is this planned for future expansion? This is my main gripe with the ginko sample slicer is having to record loops every time the modular is restarted. It's a huge time waster to get really tight drum loops with perfect timing.

Anyways great work and will watch this thread for updates
Sandrine
Moog$FooL$ wrote:
woah!!! that looks groovy. thumbs up
i don't use euro..... but just wanted to say hi & right on to a fellow BC wiggler that's building some awesome!

good luck, i'm wishing u success & hope to see & hear more about this.

SlayerBadger! w00t nanners Rockin' Banana!

Strangely enough, today I was down at our local music store (in Powell River) and asked Doug if he ever gets people coming in asking for modular stuff. Not surprisingly he said no, never.
Then I said, well there must be lots of "Wigglers" down in Van.
I get back and there's your post. Weeeerd man!

Thanks for the kudos, and I'll try not to disappoint!

Modulus wrote:
I'm definitely interested if this is pre-assembled. Really like the per slice granular and echo fx controls.

Also, can you load samples off sd card? Or is this planned for future expansion? This is my main gripe with the ginko sample slicer is having to record loops every time the modular is restarted. It's a huge time waster to get really tight drum loops with perfect timing.

Anyways great work and will watch this thread for updates


OK I must disappoint on the SD Card solution. Funny enough I have the same sort of view as the builder(s) of the Ginko. It takes the spontaneity out of live sampling, and also adds a lot of complexity/cost. I.E. wave formats, time issues, huge overhead to deal with >4Gig SD cards, loading time, file organization/selection, expansion interface issues...

I considered it quite a bit, but as one wiggler put it "That's what DAW's are for" ...
For now, one could use a MIDIbox T/G and create a DAW playlist with the audio sample and note T/G's embedded in the same file/section/playlist to trigger Record/stop/slicing. Depending on the length of the sample being worked with, this may take a few seconds to nearly 3 minutes to "set up" but it's an option, and a precise one for getting those slices right. I use FL Studio and have done this with original sampler, well more or less.

I must say in all fairness, the Reflex LiveLoop is being designed with expansion to many many more features ( MIDI I/O, CV, T/G etc. firmware upgrades) in mind. That's why the core is so complex, and is taking so long smile
NS4W
Looks promising!
bennelong.bicyclist
Sandrine wrote:
bennelong.bicyclist wrote:
Looks good. What's the bit-depth? 8-bit, 12-bit or 16-bit? Is all this really powered just be an ATmega 2560? Or is that just a co-processor to something else?


The bit-depth is 16 bit, and native record/play sample rate 48KHz in all modes. The Max record time is 175 seconds.

The Atmega 2560 is just the user interface controller, which incidentally will eventually become open source. The core access would act as a library of sorts, connected via SPI.


Ok, holy good! So what's the engine under the bonnet (hood)?
Microscopial
Nice thinking may be in for one
Modulus
Sandrine wrote:
Moog$FooL$ wrote:
woah!!! that looks groovy. thumbs up
i don't use euro..... but just wanted to say hi & right on to a fellow BC wiggler that's building some awesome!

good luck, i'm wishing u success & hope to see & hear more about this.

SlayerBadger! w00t nanners Rockin' Banana!

Strangely enough, today I was down at our local music store (in Powell River) and asked Doug if he ever gets people coming in asking for modular stuff. Not surprisingly he said no, never.
Then I said, well there must be lots of "Wigglers" down in Van.
I get back and there's your post. Weeeerd man!

Thanks for the kudos, and I'll try not to disappoint!

Modulus wrote:
I'm definitely interested if this is pre-assembled. Really like the per slice granular and echo fx controls.

Also, can you load samples off sd card? Or is this planned for future expansion? This is my main gripe with the ginko sample slicer is having to record loops every time the modular is restarted. It's a huge time waster to get really tight drum loops with perfect timing.

Anyways great work and will watch this thread for updates


OK I must disappoint on the SD Card solution. Funny enough I have the same sort of view as the builder(s) of the Ginko. It takes the spontaneity out of live sampling, and also adds a lot of complexity/cost. I.E. wave formats, time issues, huge overhead to deal with >4Gig SD cards, loading time, file organization/selection, expansion interface issues...

I considered it quite a bit, but as one wiggler put it "That's what DAW's are for" ...
For now, one could use a MIDIbox T/G and create a DAW playlist with the audio sample and note T/G's embedded in the same file/section/playlist to trigger Record/stop/slicing. Depending on the length of the sample being worked with, this may take a few seconds to nearly 3 minutes to "set up" but it's an option, and a precise one for getting those slices right. I use FL Studio and have done this with original sampler, well more or less.

I must say in all fairness, the Reflex LiveLoop is being designed with expansion to many many more features ( MIDI I/O, CV, T/G etc. firmware upgrades) in mind. That's why the core is so complex, and is taking so long smile


Thanks. I tend to disagree about the daw statement. I usually prepare my loops in audiomulch with trash2 and liveslice and then record into sample slicer or transfer to sd then to bastl grandpa. However I'm still interested in your module nevertheless. Looking forward to demos!
Sandrine
bennelong.bicyclist wrote:


Ok, holy good! So what's the engine under the bonnet (hood)?


It's a PIC, just like the original Sampler, I've been programming PICs for almost 20 years, so it seemed the logical choice.

Modulus wrote:

Thanks. I tend to disagree about the daw statement. I usually prepare my loops in audiomulch with trash2 and liveslice and then record into sample slicer or transfer to sd then to bastl grandpa. However I'm still interested in your module nevertheless. Looking forward to demos!


Well I think that comment was more geared to saving the sample(s) on SD Card come to think of it. Even with a PIC controlling the SD there's SD the latency issue, so still need a large quick access RAM to load the samples into, so they can be quickly accessed for looping grains and other fast access functions.
cyphersum
Awesome! The layout is packed like a Harvestman module, nice work getting all that functionality in there. Looking forward to this coming out.

Greetings from 160km south of you.
Sandrine
cyphersum wrote:
Awesome! The layout is packed like a Harvestman module, nice work getting all that functionality in there. Looking forward to this coming out.

Greetings from 160km south of you.


Thanks cyphersum

Just cut out the final panel today, will get knobs on it tomorrow and check if it's "too" packed. It'll be nice to have a panel in any case, all this wish-boarding is messy!

Seattle I'd guess right?

Cheers
Sandrine
Prototype panel and boards done!
I've used a transparency overlay for the panel, then glued it on with silicone, so excuse the wrinkly appearance, it'll serve durably through the testing phase.



The big Rate knob (Tayda) is almost too big, but it looks good. The only real finger jam is when plugs are in both feedback jacks, the feedback knob is a bit tight. It's one of those less used knobs so it should be ok.
The tiny buttons are easy to get at surprisingly enough, and the GM PLAY FX mode is a blue LED now.
The REC LED is missing as it's a bi-color and I can't find them. I know I have some somewhere hmmm.....

Anyway, theat's it for now, let the fun begin!
leeski
Sandrine wrote:
Leeski:
Great, guess I'd better augment the run size, looks like we'll need them!


Yeah i guess you could as this is swell thing to do to get it out there
applause
Sandrine
Yes I think we will.

If there's any "how to" questions or concerns about the Reflex, don't hesitate to post them here! Even though the firmware can be updated, I'd like a very decent V. 1.0
geecen
This looks really great! I'm looking forward to the DIY version coming out as I'm not in the money at the mo. Great work. applause
Sandrine
geecen wrote:
This looks really great! I'm looking forward to the DIY version coming out as I'm not in the money at the mo. Great work. applause


Yep, got that. It'll be a while before the DIY version, trying to figure out how to separate the extremely tiny chips from the bigger parts for a DIY. At present everything is mixed together for the fully built version.


Update:
Have added MIDI to one of the ports temporarily for background settings adjustment and fine tuning. It's easier than typing stuff into serial interface. I might leave it in there not sure yet. If fully implemented it could do more, but it'd be up to you to add the MIDI TX driver, opto-isolator, and MIDI jack(s). Maybe a future add-on...?
jackmattson
Sandrine wrote:
bennelong.bicyclist wrote:


Ok, holy good! So what's the engine under the bonnet (hood)?


It's a PIC, just like the original Sampler, I've been programming PICs for almost 20 years, so it seemed the logical choice.

Modulus wrote:

Thanks. I tend to disagree about the daw statement. I usually prepare my loops in audiomulch with trash2 and liveslice and then record into sample slicer or transfer to sd then to bastl grandpa. However I'm still interested in your module nevertheless. Looking forward to demos!


Well I think that comment was more geared to saving the sample(s) on SD Card come to think of it. Even with a PIC controlling the SD there's SD the latency issue, so still need a large quick access RAM to load the samples into, so they can be quickly accessed for looping grains and other fast access functions.


As long as this thread is about features, I would really love to have an SD card so that I can load prerecorded loops or even use the live slicer to record loops up to 175 sec (or loooooonger if it had a mode just to record to the SD). been wanting these features for so long I even thought of making something like this my self one day.
Sandrine
jackmattson wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
bennelong.bicyclist wrote:


Ok, holy good! So what's the engine under the bonnet (hood)?


It's a PIC, just like the original Sampler, I've been programming PICs for almost 20 years, so it seemed the logical choice.

Modulus wrote:

Thanks. I tend to disagree about the daw statement. I usually prepare my loops in audiomulch with trash2 and liveslice and then record into sample slicer or transfer to sd then to bastl grandpa. However I'm still interested in your module nevertheless. Looking forward to demos!


Well I think that comment was more geared to saving the sample(s) on SD Card come to think of it. Even with a PIC controlling the SD there's SD the latency issue, so still need a large quick access RAM to load the samples into, so they can be quickly accessed for looping grains and other fast access functions.


As long as this thread is about features, I would really love to have an SD card so that I can load prerecorded loops or even use the live slicer to record loops up to 175 sec (or loooooonger if it had a mode just to record to the SD). been wanting these features for so long I even thought of making something like this my self one day.


In regards to SD Card operation with the Reflex, there's numerous problems that aren't easy to overcome, programming & design being the least of them.

At the highest SPI rate, to dump The Reflex's memory on to an SD Card would take appx. 66 seconds, and that's pushing the SD's SPI design limitations. Unfortunately, the load time would be about the same. This is because us "non corporations" are pretty much confined to using SPI without breaking the law. Even Akai Professional's MPX series are limited to this speed. This has made their customers very very angry.

A post on Microchips forum pretty much sums it up:

Quote:

Keep in mind your PIC is writing at 1bit/transfer speeds where as your PC is probably using both a higher clock rate (you can do this too provided the PIC supports it) AND the wider bus-width of 4bits. (Is sounds like you've already read the legal print with using the 4bit width, right?)

The 1wire (1 bit he means) (SPI) mode is pretty much public domain whereas using the higher bandwidths (via 4bits) -- is proprietary requiring NDA's and fee's and such so that serious companies sign up and get the specs after sending in their check.


This applies to newer SD Card formats as well, which would add yet another license fee and so on.
Computer readers are highly mass produced so can afford the licensing fees, but us mere mortals can only praise the velocity (50M/s)

I may give it a go at the SPI rate, but as I estimated, 66 seconds is a long time to load/save. Shorter sample lengths of course would be faster.
jackmattson
Sandrine wrote:

At the highest SPI rate, to dump The Reflex's memory on to an SD Card would take appx. 66 seconds, and that's pushing the SD's SPI design limitations. Unfortunately, the load time would be about the same. This is because us "non corporations" are pretty much confined to using SPI without breaking the law. Even Akai Professional's MPX series are limited to this speed. This has made their customers very very angry.
if you can read and write 170 seconds in 66 seconds, isn't that faster than realtime? Meaning if you buffer your writes to say a second of audio you can write it in .5 seconds and grab the next buffer and the same with reading. Once it's read to ram you have your cache. Doesn't work if you are grabbing random slices from a file faster than 2x your buffer but for writing would seem fine, but I'm no expert on I/o.
Sandrine
jackmattson wrote:
Sandrine wrote:

At the highest SPI rate, to dump The Reflex's memory on to an SD Card would take appx. 66 seconds, and that's pushing the SD's SPI design limitations. Unfortunately, the load time would be about the same. This is because us "non corporations" are pretty much confined to using SPI without breaking the law. Even Akai Professional's MPX series are limited to this speed. This has made their customers very very angry.
if you can read and write 170 seconds in 66 seconds, isn't that faster than realtime? Meaning if you buffer your writes to say a second of audio you can write it in .5 seconds and grab the next buffer and the same with reading. Once it's read to ram you have your cache. Doesn't work if you are grabbing random slices from a file faster than 2x your buffer but for writing would seem fine, but I'm no expert on I/o.


It is almost 3X real time, but he want's to load and save whole samples, and the load time in particular is unacceptable don't you think?
My Akai MPX-8 can hold 8 samples, and if they're even 8 seconds long each, it takes literally for ever to load, or it seems that way! A real butt pain on stage I'll tell ya.

I am still open to attempting it, I'll make up a little board and tack it on with little jumpers and give it a try sometime in the upcoming week.

I just don't want to get bad reviews with people saying things like "takes forever to load" or "my cheap card reader is way faster" etc. Not good Karma. Dead Banana
jackmattson
You can load the sample to RAM with 1 buffer latency no?
Sandrine
Yes. So you're saying live recording directly to the SDC?
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jackmattson
Personally I wouldn't mind if it was limited to dumping from ram. However would a USB flags drive have the same issues?
Sandrine
I don't know what the speed would be. I can't find any info on that at all, just the Arduino USB host shield.
There's a large amount of processor overhead involved (i.e. another ATMEGA2560 added) and the power consumption is kinda scary. Also there's the NTFS vs. FAT limitation, FAT being the format, or so it seems.
In theory though the USB Flash should be much faster as I had considered using a dedicated Flash chip to save/load samples and it was pretty quick.
This method wouldn't be able to load or save to PC so it was dropped early on.

In any case, I'll give the SD card thing a try when I get to it.
-edit- I'm looking at a PIC to interface an SD Card. I bit-banged one years ago, but could push the SPI quite a bit I think.
roqeja
THIS IS VERY EXCITING. Count me in!
Modulus
Sandrine wrote:
jackmattson wrote:
Sandrine wrote:

At the highest SPI rate, to dump The Reflex's memory on to an SD Card would take appx. 66 seconds, and that's pushing the SD's SPI design limitations. Unfortunately, the load time would be about the same. This is because us "non corporations" are pretty much confined to using SPI without breaking the law. Even Akai Professional's MPX series are limited to this speed. This has made their customers very very angry.
if you can read and write 170 seconds in 66 seconds, isn't that faster than realtime? Meaning if you buffer your writes to say a second of audio you can write it in .5 seconds and grab the next buffer and the same with reading. Once it's read to ram you have your cache. Doesn't work if you are grabbing random slices from a file faster than 2x your buffer but for writing would seem fine, but I'm no expert on I/o.


It is almost 3X real time, but he want's to load and save whole samples, and the load time in particular is unacceptable don't you think?
My Akai MPX-8 can hold 8 samples, and if they're even 8 seconds long each, it takes literally for ever to load, or it seems that way! A real butt pain on stage I'll tell ya.

I am still open to attempting it, I'll make up a little board and tack it on with little jumpers and give it a try sometime in the upcoming week.

I just don't want to get bad reviews with people saying things like "takes forever to load" or "my cheap card reader is way faster" etc. Not good Karma. Dead Banana


Personally, I would love to be able to just load perfectly trimmed 1 or 2 bar drum loops. I'm not too interested in saving back. With sampleslicer the biggest drawback is taking the time to record perfect loops so that it is tightly in sync with everything else. I think a slightly slow SD card load time would definitely be better than manually trying to record perfect drumloops from a laptop, ipad, etc into the module, especially in a live situation. Thanks for all your efforts! This module is going to kick serious arse
Sandrine
So Modulus, you're just thinking on looping loops of drums then right?
(That would be a clock into the slice trig input (to keep it simple) and no slices so the first slice would just play when there's a clock edge.
I guess that would be the "roll" point of a sequencer clocking.)

I'm asking because the peak slicer does a marvelous job of auto-slicing drums, even just ones from a track or recording.
If the slice CV is controlled by a sequencer, with the slice trigger coming from the gate, different drums can be selected as the sequencer plugs them in there.

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/samsampeakslicedrums.MP3

The only disadvantage that can be heard here is the slices aren't playing in the order they were recorded in so tend to be monophonic in nature.

If they were just played in the proper sequence/order, they would carry through. Tempo can also be changed too of course.
Modulus
Quote:
So Modulus, you're just thinking on looping loops of drums then right?


Yeah exactly. Load up a one or two bar breaks loop. Enable slicing, then modulate the slice/pitch/etc via sequences and EG/LFO

The sample sounds cool so far. Would love to hear what the module can do glitching up the Amen break. I think this would be a nice benchmark example
NS4W
Is it in a demoable state yet? oops
Sandrine
NS4W wrote:
Is it in a demoable state yet? oops


Almost, still doing the UI.
mapmap
nice

keep up the good work!
Sandrine
Hi fellow sampler lovers!

I've been busy at work with the Reflex, and see a light at the end of the tunnel. There were a couple of nasty bugs, but both are solved and things are back on track.

I've been monkeying with the Echo mode, and recorded a bit of it here (yep the monkeying time sometimes surpasses the actual "work" time on the Reflex)

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/4tim-dec17.MP3
I didn't post it on SoundCloud because for some reason the comments won't stay.

These were all done as mono because the output of FX (L) was feeding into RP (R) just for fun.

0:00 to 0:57 Sampling in a simple sequence to echo (blending in), then modifying the sample Rate with a CV from the Gate of the sequencer

0:58 to 4:44 Sampling in a slow attack synth and then switching to infinite echo, then subtly modulating the rate with an LFO, then a sequence while switching to and from infinite echo. The original synth notes were only on for the first few seconds. This shows the slight/slow drop in fidelity after many echos.
More notes are added at the end.

4:44 to end Live sampling (in echo) just my voice, showing different ways to modify an echo. Both sides are connected in series so the first echo less than the second and further.
I used LFO sine, triangle, square, with various offsets, even the audio coming out of the feedback jack. I restarted the echo several times, some at very fast rates (by setting the Rate knob down, then tap start/ tap time on REC button, then returning the rate back up) My voice was mixed back in a bit.
This is not PlayFX, just playing with the echo, infinite echo, and Rate and Rate CV input, with flat EQ.

I'm saving PlayFX for a video or two because it has so many facets to it, and it needs to be seen.

Here's using the echo with a foot switch, actually just a drum piezo pedal, which will work with the Reflex in trigger mode.

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/echoBlues.mp3

It's an 8 second echo or so. It can be used like Layer in a way, except the "punch-in's" aren't aligned to the the loop point, and if not tapped to be infinite echo, will decay over time.

I turned down the feedback a bit midway, so it would fade away.
jackmattson
Wow! no idea what you are doing but sounds super trippy and cool.
Sandrine
Thanks Jack! Yep, the echo mode is kind of addictive. When it's still echoing, the rate can be dropped up to 5 octaves, and a CV applied to the rate moves around the setting. So I connected into a sequencer that's not in sync with the echo so it flows around changing both the input rate and the output rate. I think the first part was using the sequencer gate on the Rate CV.
When it's in infinite echo the range increases to +/- 5 octaves.

For the voice (mine) I obtained very tight rates by turning the rate all the way down so 1 second=32 seconds, then tapped REC button twice to start the echo and set it's base speed, then turn the rate back up.
With a Trigger input, it can be set even faster this way

The guitar sample was just to show the clarity of the long echo and how easily it can be synced using a foot switch. The guitar being out of tune wasn't to show anything very frustrating

The Play(FX) button, which hasn't been shown yet, will take a portion of the echo stream, anywhere along since it was started, and play mini-loops or grains controlled by the start-end knobs. It's totally amazing, but I have to get the LEDs on that side working before I can do a video.

Oh, one more thing with the record button for anyone that's interested:
The Record Gate seemed rather useless because of the way the Record works, so that selection (gate) is now Clock.
The clock divider is settable 1 to 8 and when clock input is selected, the Record button becomes the "Arm" button for all steps/functions. This allows for easy sync with anything that sends a clock pulse.
It's surprisingly accurate with echo and layer modes.

For example, if the clock is set to /8, then a sequence is playing at 4 steps/second, then every 2 seconds the echo would cycle. If the clock is coming off the end of a sequence of, say 8, at that rate, then the echo would be 16 seconds long.

For fast clock sync where you don't have to arm, use the trigger input setting, but it'll keep alternating between echo and infinite echo if the trigger persists. It acts like a "punch-in" to the original echo cycle, so if the clock is sped up, some pretty cool effects can be generated.
sammy123
Wow trippy demo. It sounds really amazing.
NS4W
Trippy indeed! Thanks for the demo w00t
The Big Ear
That's really cool.
this one might become my first ever bought module, whenever it is released.
Cheers,
Sandrine
YW!

Videos are coming soon!
I'm working out another bug, but once it's solved, the videos will begin. Must do that before I must go away for Christmas, so the pressures on!!

I have been using PLAY FX during echo, so a sequence is recorded. If a slice is created at the beginning, just before PLAY FX, then slices between, they are created on the record stream and can be instantly recalled using slice play, or a sequencer. It's so much fun, as I said before it starts to take away "work" time hehe
Sandrine
Ug.

I think I'll call this bug, the grinch who stole Christmas. Troll! It's evil and deceptive, and as I'm going away for the holidays, will no doubt be taunting me the whole time.

Happy Holidays everyone!
Sandrine
Update:

"The only way to beat the bug, is to know the bug!"
The Grinch is dead. At 10PM last night I slayed the bastard.
In hindsight the answer was staring right at me, just didn't see it.

SO in celebration, here's a goofy PLAYFX example with echo re-recording it back in to be run back through PLAYFX.

This is raw audio, with the ZC smoothing off and no loop muting. Mono input (need to make proper patch cord still)

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/FX-rateRec-test4.mp3

Back on track at last smile
LektroiD
I absolutely need this module...

and a crowbar so I can make space in my cabinet very frustrating

Count me in for one!
Sandrine
LektroiD wrote:
I absolutely need this module...

and a crowbar so I can make space in my cabinet very frustrating

Count me in for one!


Cool!

You could always make an out-rigger.
I tried to keep the size down but had to add 2 for the side headers, unavoidable
Eloc
The demos sound really amazing. The pitch shift voice stuff is brilliant, so many different sounds coming out of that thing.

Oh and don't worry about the hp, it is clearly packing so much functionality into that width that it could be twice as wide and still justify it's size.
monno
Want! I cannot state it more simple than that.

What i´ve heard so far sounds great and the feature set is impressive. I´m a total sucker for pitch shifting delays and would happily yank out something less glamourous from my cabinet to fit this one instead. Running out of HP is always a factor here, but exceptions can be made for something like this for sure!
gorsta
Yepp, need to follow this closely eek!
Sandrine
Thankyou Eloc, Monno, & Gorsta, you guys are too kind!

Here's an example (playing when should be working this evening!) of the rudimentary phase of G-Move (moving grains...slide) with a music sample, then dubbed in a couple Korg notes, then near the end some LFO on the rate CV.

The Gmove was recorded as well (recording never stopped) so once it "moves" to that point, it starts to Gmove the Gmove! It's why I'm working so hard to get simultaneous record and FX Play at the same time.


http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/gMoveTypeZCon.mp3
Sandrine
Today messing with the Slicer. Used a pulse on the T/G input to create slices as recording my voice making various drum sounds, then played the new kit (50 or so "drums") with the slice button and a knob Super fun!
I'd post it but it's pretty embarssing some of the sounds I made haha!

Happy New Year everyone, and BEST for 2016! WooHoo!
It's peanut butter jelly time! Rockin' Banana! It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners
dan_k
Congrats on the development progress in such a short time. Have been watching this and the previous thread with interest.

All the best for 2016!
NS4W
Sandrine wrote:
Today messing with the Slicer. Used a pulse on the T/G input to create slices as recording my voice making various drum sounds, then played the new kit (50 or so "drums") with the slice button and a knob Super fun!
I'd post it but it's pretty embarssing some of the sounds I made haha!

Happy New Year everyone, and BEST for 2016! WooHoo!
It's peanut butter jelly time! Rockin' Banana! It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners


Looking so forward to this! Happy new year!
NJR Buffalo
This is EXACTLY the module I have been looking for!!!!!
Cannot wait until it is available.
Sandrine
Got the basic peak slicing working today! It's not intelligent yet like my original sampler, but only a few lines of code away, and seems to work nicely thus far.

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/peakSlicingBasics.mp3

There's 2 samples in this mp3, the first is sampling in a bunch of drums playing from samples lined up in Winamp player, the second is an actual song. It's really surprizing the grooves you can get. This is being played with the Slice button selected to use the Rate knob as a slice selector. (1 of 16)

A maximum of 500 slices can be created, and accessed via slice CV. That'll be a future sound file or vid.

Cheers, and thanks for the encouragement smile)
krz
[quote="Sandrine"]Got the basic peak slicing working today! It's not intelligent yet like my original sampler, but only a few lines of code away, and seems to work nicely thus far.

[url]http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/peakSlicingBasics.mp3[/url]

There's 2 samples in this mp3, the first is sampling in a bunch of drums playing from samples lined up in Winamp player, the second is an actual song. It's really surprizing the grooves you can get. This is being played with the Slice button selected to use the Rate knob as a slice selector. (1 of 16)

A maximum of 500 slices can be created, and accessed via slice CV. That'll be a future sound file or vid.

Cheers, and thanks for the encouragement smile)[/quote]

Some really great audio examples!
Being able to see slices with the spectrum seems
like an important feature and the EQ will
undoubtedly be useful. If you need any more ideas, there's
a few other features you might be interested in. It's on the
the Arduino platform also.

http://www.narrat1ve.com/documents/WTPA2_Operators_Manual_RevA.pdf

As a person who has owned just about every sampler
or looper ever except those in a modular format, I really
think you have a great module to unleash! And you're just
down the road...even better.
sushiluv
Amazing, can´t wait for this to be available!
Sandrine
Thanks for the link KRZ,, and cheers from Texada Island!
You are right, that has given me a couple of ideas for the expansion module (which would have MIDI too) but got pretty much everything else covered.

I have decided to make the simple R/P Record Play mode not reset upon a new record, rather just append as a new recording. This way a sample can be recorded, then modified while recording, or if a new record is started, the previous sample can still be worked on with Play FX and/or slices and recorded simultaneously. This is really cool when the record rate is shifted by an external source.

The design is always evolving and will continue in the way of firmware upgrades.

Sushiluv, I am working hard and fast at it toward a stable product. Am still dealing with companies to do the boards and parts placement etc. The holidays rather slowed this down, but slowly getting back into the swing.
Cheers!
Matos
Great work. Looking forward to adding this to my army of samplers!
adnauseam
I've gotta ask since I didn't see it mentioned in the thread:
Is the sample memory volatile or non-volatile?

Lots of talk about sd cards and usb sticks. I also noticed mention that settings are saved on power down but no talk about saving samples.

All in all looks like a REALLY great module. I'm excited! Rockin' Banana!
Sandrine
adnauseam wrote:
I've gotta ask since I didn't see it mentioned in the thread:
Is the sample memory volatile or non-volatile?

Lots of talk about sd cards and usb sticks. I also noticed mention that settings are saved on power down but no talk about saving samples.

All in all looks like a REALLY great module. I'm excited! Rockin' Banana!


Thanks for the kudos!

I've done many hours of research on SD card possibilty, and the overhead in time and the actual usefulness of it doesn't justify the extra cost hardware and time. (Just spent another 4 hours on USB thumb drives this AM)
If it was just for me, I'd probably do the SD Card thing as I'd know what to expect (i.e. size limits, errors, brand incompatibility, file management etc) I'd end up spending more time dealing with that than actually creating upgrades to a fine sampler.

The Peak slicer (and maybe record start off of peak, still deciding) can create a set of samples that could be played in via 'puter if the need arises, which is sorta the same thing.
krz
*delete* improper format
Sandrine
The main issue with the Reflex isn't lack of amazing things to do, it's more how to make it do it with a simple interface.
Getting there. No bugs, yay!!
The program is a big mess (note to self: don't program when have flu) so I'll be cleaning that up tomorrow (hopefully) and then it'll all make sense.

Also must improve resistance to playing with it. I get one thing working, then it's like "wow I wonder what would happen if I put the LFO on this, then inverted this and put it there" for the rest of the time hehe.

For example, I just split an LFO on rate and the EQ band CV input, then switched to tight echo so it's modifying the sound live. setting the EQ attenuvertor down would highlight the upper elements of the input at low sample rate, while inverting that would highlight the upper elements of the upper sample rate, creating a completely different sound. Adjusting up the feedback would exemplify it, really cool!

I have a sample so might post it once back in the studio.
Sandrine
This was just a note from the Korg synth being modified in real time by setting the echo record at the slowest sample rate (-4 octaves 6000s/s) to create the echo space, then back up to 48K which makes it a few mS latency.

There's still enough sample space to do a decent shift with the Rate control CV.
Because, during echo, the rate is limited to 48K, the top end offset is flattened, but the bottom end can dip down 4 octaves.

With Mid EQ and High EQ bands controlled by the LFO you can hear the difference when rate or EQ is inverted.


http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/echo-rateCV-EQCV2.mp3
The Big Ear
Sandrine wrote:
The main issue with the Reflex isn't lack of amazing things to do, it's more how to make it do it with a simple interface.


Yes, i think this is important for a 'multi functional' module.
I happen to have a Quantix 8 and find that I only use it as wave table oscillator.
http://m.bareille.free.fr/modular1/quantix8/quantix8.htm

Anyway, when can we buy? This module of yours is something I've been wanting for a long time...

Keep up the good work!

CHeers,
ToAd
ronaldroy
Also very interested ... further complicated because I'm in Australia eh.
Sandrine
The Big Ear wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
The main issue with the Reflex isn't lack of amazing things to do, it's more how to make it do it with a simple interface.


Yes, i think this is important for a 'multi functional' module.
I happen to have a Quantix 8 and find that I only use it as wave table oscillator.
http://m.bareille.free.fr/modular1/quantix8/quantix8.htm

Anyway, when can we buy? This module of yours is something I've been wanting for a long time...

Keep up the good work!

CHeers,
ToAd


That looks like a fun module, but it does require some setup by the looks of it. I have cmponents like that as well. You try all the features, then it ends up just set a certain way...in it's basicest form hehe

The Reflex won't be for sale for a good month yet, dealing with PCB manufacturers (want some parts placement) which is a new thing for me as I've always made my own, and keep changing the layout to be optimal, i.e. now the Arduino Atmega is going to be integrated as before it was going to be just the board on headers.
latigid on
Top work! I've may have missed this info, but do you intend to release as a completed module or more semi-DIY with some fine-pitch stuff presoldered?
Sandrine
Thanks! I plan to release it as fully assembled at first, then get into the DIY after. Fine pitch (and most smd's) will be on already on the main board, but the headers and front panel stuff will be all diy smile
Sandrine
Here's a video at last! It's demonstrating the Peak Slicer and using slices with a sequencer.
Disclaimers: No I still haven't got it into a rack or box yet, yes there's a huge mess of wires all around, yes I still have a cold!



The peak slicer in the straight up Reflex is internally complex, so does a good job with fast sounds like drums and synths/stabs, as well as with voice/guitar, or a whole song (which is lots of fun!)
The sample count is spread out over the CV range that will be accessing them. In the video I sample in enough slices to make 16. The sequencer is set to cover 0 to 5V over 16 steps in order, in preparation for the video. Bridged gates or triggers can create a fantastic groove from just a scroll up the piano, or whatever you want.
In songs, the peak slicer tends to grab onto drums, but also voice as well.
The clicky sounds are a result of not having the softmute set up yet at the time of recording, but this gives you an idea of what the Reflex is capable of!
PK808370
Sandrine = Rockin' Banana!

This is more exciting each time you post something and I can't wait for its release!
spneca
This is great! I can't wait for this.
c1t1zen
Wow! Gonna need two now. Great stuff.

Love the peak detect feature. Would be fun with some vinyl breaks.
Sandrine
Great guys! I hope everyone is happy with the Reflex!

Here's another vid these evening. It's sampling in some drum sounds



This video is only 16 or so sample slices, but I've noticed that once you have over 200 slices, slight CV variations cause an "embellishment effect" with slices/drums. It'll sequence fine 2 or 3 times, then another drum comes in once, then gone. It's probably because of all the line noise and such, but then those are pretty tiny variations <.025V so...free feature!

The slices are distributed over 0 to 5V so if there's only 5 slices, then each would be 1 volt apart.
NS4W
Great demos!

Can the slices be saved or exported in any way?
geecen
applause

Stay awesome Sandrine!
Sandrine
NS4W wrote:
Great demos!

Can the slices be saved or exported in any way?


Nope, that's adding too much complexity, as mentioned earlier in this thread, hence the name "Live Loop", although slice positions can be retained for a new sample which can be interesting!

Thanks Geecen, :blush:
billsship
Great demos. You've really sold me on what this thing can do! Hoping for an easy to build project!
latigid on
Keep it simple IMO! You could always connect a lil handheld recorder where each track was one saved loop/slice bank.

Do we have an idea on power consumption?

Let me know if you need a beta tester BTW smile.
sduck
Whoa - just checked out this thread for the first time. Amazing! I need it...
Sandrine
latigid on wrote:
Keep it simple IMO! You could always connect a lil handheld recorder where each track was one saved loop/slice bank.

Do we have an idea on power consumption?

Let me know if you need a beta tester BTW smile.


Haha right on! Yes, once you play with it, everything is so dynamic that the idea of saving the sample memory seems loony. For example, today I sliced up a track of music, or should I say it did, then I recorded (in RP mode) the playout of the slices similar to the drums vid. While allowing the sequncer to do it's groove, and recording, I added in some synth notes, which also were recorded.
Then I switched RP to play and exited slice play (unplugged the trigger) then reset the slices and created new ones from the new recording. It was pretty seamless as once I started playing the new slices, the sequenceer was still running at the same tempo as it was when recording.

The record could well have destroyed the original sample, but it''s always moving and building, twisting, and evolving, so what would there be to save?

After that I did some PlayFX granulizing and sliced that as well, I have no idea what was in the memory at that point. After a reset the whole memory can be listened to all the same.

-edit-
One cool thing to do would be use a DAW to record the whole thing, then cut out key areas, play them back in to the Reflex, allowing it to slice. I haven't tried that yet but I can see it working as a synced loop if one is nimble with the record button..


I have no idea what the power draw is, but I designed it to be low draw on every turn. It couldn't be a lot as I am power it, the ModEm-1, and a pre-amp module all from the same 1A +/-12V +5V supply.
Guess I should hook up a meter and see smile
Modulus
Sandrine wrote:
Great guys! I hope everyone is happy with the Reflex!

Here's another vid these evening. It's sampling in some drum sounds





Thanks for posting the demo Sandrine! Now that I see the peak slicer in action, my interest has definitely peaked love looking forward to more updates thumbs up
latigid on
Modulus wrote:


Thanks for posting the demo Sandrine! Now that I see the peak slicer in action, my interest has definitely peaked love looking forward to more updates thumbs up


Hehe, my interest has been piqued but I hope it will go higher!

/smartarse
Eloc
My interest has been piqued every time I have peeked at this thread, and I don't think it has peaked yet.
edwinm
Those demos are great! w00t Please please don't delay with the DIY, I'd be happy with just a bare board!
Sandrine
edwinm wrote:
Those demos are great! w00t Please please don't delay with the DIY, I'd be happy with just a bare board!


As a bareboard I can only say I hope you have a rework station, there's a couple of .5mm pitch chips (38 pin & 100pin), a couple of.65mm, and lots of tiny discretes.
We plan on having that section PNP'ed. The SOIC and DIP stuff of course can remain DIY. Pot's buttons & LEDs, the whole panel board can be DIY easily.

eloc wrote:
My interest has been piqued every time I have peeked at this thread, and I don't think it has peaked yet.


Ho! Wait until you see the Play FX! I'm going to do a couple of vids on that real soon. Way too much fun!
edwinm
Quote:
As a bareboard I can only say I hope you have a rework station
I do (as of last week smile )and judging by the Mutable DIY stuff that's going on so do a lot of others! I reckon you'd shift quite a few boards. Anyway the thing looks great!
Sandrine
Hi everyone interested, I was trying to hold off, but had to make a little video on basic Play FX in Start-End mode (my least favorite but it seems everyone likes start-end control)

It's not the most beautiful sound ever to come out of the Reflex, but it gets the point across



I will be getting this puppy mounted eventually, I still need quick access to fine-tune the circuitry. Got the Zero-Crossing stuff working finally (more noticeable with long smooth sounds than this!)

PlayFX Position/Size knob modes are next! Getting there.
edwinm
Gets better and better!
Sandrine
Woohoo!

Had no sleep last night so good excuse to just spent the day goofing around with the Reflex.
Here's a video of Play FX under control of 2 CV's while the knobs are in Start/End mode. If the Sample start is higher than the sample end, it will play in reverse of course.

The CV in's are unipolar, and when plugged in, the corresponding knob becomes a simple offset, so for 0-5V simple control, the knobs should both be fully left when used with CV's. Of course if the CV voltage range is less, then they could be used to offset for fuller access.

Anyway, all the gobbledygook aside, here's the vid!




BTW, if anyone sees anything not good, or thinks it should be a different way, I'm all ears!
c1t1zen
So rad and the FX get super crazy and then that drop at the end back to the original loop. very frustrating very frustrating applause

I want brighter buttons though Red or orange or something. Do you have mouser number for them?
Sandrine
Waaahaa! Yes they don't have to drop back but I hate awkward silences Rockin' Banana! Don't we all?

Those buttons are pretty bright, they just don't show up like that in the vid.
Maybe I should light up with florescent light. It's kinda dark there. I think I have yellow ones too, it's a good thought. I was trying to stick with standards Red=Record, Green=play, White = Slice like color hehe, maybe angels I'm not sure. No Mouser number, but they're 1 cm
mckenic
Jeez! Really cool applause
edwinm
applause applause hyper applause applause applause hyper
Sandrine
Hi, thanks, looking forward to this being out there. It's been a really intense couple of months for sure. Doing final design work on boards ( for the 3rd time!) and seeing light at end of tunnel.

I hope I'm not posting too many vids. I always want to see more video from modular makers and most I've seen, there aren't enough at all, I want to see more cry

Cheers!
edwinm
Too many vids? Never! We want more!
Funky40
boahh ! ....just stumbled the first time over this thread and Module.
eurorack is movin
applause


i want one ! hihi



one thought:
If the start and endpoint adjustment pots would have a little sister, a fine adjust,
adjusting slices precisely would be much easier if not to say beeing another world.
One workaround if the module stays untouched would be to add a own submixer/ manual control module to control those parameters from extern.

i once draw such submixer module for my Modcan CV recorder......but ended up selling the unit...newer built that submixer ( submix to mix manual coarse and fine plus the CVs, .....plus muteswitches, plus another set of switchable offsets for the CV to control kinda the "spread" between start and end point for scrubbing thru samples ( moving start and endpoints in parallel )
just alone what all ideas could be implemented in such submodule/manual jam-controller module is..........oh well, sometimes over ones mind wink )
just wanted to mention it, ........not meant to disturb here any ongoing wink
much pleased to see whats going on here screaming goo yo
Sandrine
Hi Funky 40, thankyou for your input!

The Start/End (Position/Size<<"scrubber" & Gmove/Size<<slider) are offsets for the CV inputs. Those could be used for fine tuning. I understand what you mean though, especially when the sample is long (>30 seconds) they can become pretty course.... no longer a miniLoop.

One way to deal with this is to slice a long sample up, then activate Play on the slice, which will make things much better. These can be cut via Slice input, or just the button, or even peak audio. (up to 500 slices)

There's also G-Move, which can slide around inside a miniLoop with a max range of 1/4 second (unless I change it)

Here's an audio clip of me on electric gitter and some drums getting recorded in, then straight to Gmove PlayFX.

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/Gmove1.mp3

...guess I should create a 2016 folder hmmm.....

This is all just in G-Move mode, nothing else. With G-Move, a sample can be slowed down without loosing the pitch, or change the pitch without changing the rhythm.
At one point I plug in a sequencer into the rate, but not the CV jacks for Gmove/Size as that'd be better done with video.

Cheers!
Sandrine
Funky40 wrote:

........adjusting slices precisely would be much easier if not to say beeing another world......


Hey Funky, you just gave me an idea!!

In order to adjust a single slice (i.e. start / end points) One must select the slice, play it, then tap the Play button to switch to play FX mode and adjust it's parameters from there. As it sits, the original slice stays as was created.

Slices created during a Play FX miniLoop become that miniLoop, but I hadn't thought of it the other way around..

I wonder if it'd be good to have that slice update with the new miniLoop settings if adjusted during Play FX? It'd be easy enough to implement. I think I'm going to do it!

The only disappointment would be G-Move granuals, which would save as a section of tiny looping grain, which is cool as I've done it already, but it wouldn't track as it does when in G-Move mode.

Cheers and thankyou muchly for the idea!

Sandy
Funky40
Haha, i made you think.
....i hoped i could made somebody think wink .......and inspire to conceptualise a little helper module, just a CV offset module to control those two parameters ( can´t speak about other parameters as i don´t know the module),
........start and end point adjustments is my point of discussion.

Sandy, i read you´re not so much into jamming around with start-end points,
i in contrary was totally behind that when i experimentised with my Modcan CV recorder and also with the ASys RS290.
........just because this alone is such a deep territory musical wise. Not while i would give those parameters a favor over others.......( not shure what your module is all cpabale off, but it seems to be Alots ! eek! ..... lol )
did alos lots of funny experiments with my MPC1k in this regard. one of my units is broke and is retriggering alone when i adjust start or endpoints Mr. Green lol

i thought that your module is finalised but hoped there would be still room for changes.
Anyway i "feel" the situation your´re in, ......i made some own modules too years back.

Now, if somebody would be interested to layout a own CV source module for a sample-player with scrub functionality like like the one from Sandrine:
right now, i would not only make a "coarse-CV" and a fine CV, but would ad also a "super-fine" CV,
thus 3 pots alone for just adjusting the startpoint, and another 3 pots to adjust the endpoint. Yes, three each !......thats what i would do, even for something like just 5 seconds recording time i´d say !
.........just a suggestion if somebody wants to layout something and make a PCB run or a module.

another suggestion would be a switch directly on such module to switch the startpoint -CV control to overtake also the endpoint control,
and then a switch to add kinda of a spread here. ---> in fact a pot for spread plus probably a switch to disable the spread
( not shure how this module reacts/ my RS 290 had some "unlinearity it seemd between start and end point adjustment when doing over one knob )
or even further another switch so that the endpoint-adjustment could overtake the start-point adjustment also. both possibilitys given.....

i do not remember the overall recording time of this Module, but IIRC is it quite long.
and what i hear from the demos is the soundquality way better than anything we have right now in euro, right ? )
............this module seems to be ALL effort worth to make the most out of it !!!

hope somebody puts a little helper up, ....a more blown up control module for VERY subtle adjustments with some routings inclouded.
( i do not remeber all my old plans to do such a module )
but what i definitly know is, it willd be worth it in regards to the possible musical outcome.

Sandy, at least for me, the method you described in your post seems counterinspiring.
is it not all about *direct* access and jamming ?

please do not take my post anything like criticising or complaining,
people tend to "read" me that way around.
i try to give input if not to inspire wink
Sandrine
Ha ha back at you Funky!
I have already designed in an interface for an expansion module for such things, finer features and settings, an LCD, MIDI, and more CV's.
I won't go into it too much as everything is still preliminary, but the firmware upgrade (and all upgrades) will be free.

I'm not sure what you mean by the Start Pot/CV taking over the End Pot/CV?

The way it sits, those two knobs/CV's have 3 main functions:
Start/End: Set to loop from start to end, if start<end then sample plays in reverse.
Position/Size: Where the Start knob is loop position in the sample and the end knob is the size of the loop,
G-Move/Size: The Start knob/CV centered will pause a sample with a tight "grain". Turned to the right will "move" toward the end of the sample, turned to the left will move toward the beginning. The further the knob is away from center, the faster it goes. It will loop at the sample loop point either way. The End knob becomes Size of grain, from 1 mS to about 250mS with the pot, and up to 500mS with CV added.

You can hear Gmove in the sample I posted.

The Start/End knobs can work on a full sample, an echo space, a layer, a slice, or during a record. Gmove can even work on a Start/End miniLoop.

The recording time at full sample rate is 3 minutes. To work a sample this size (except in G-Move which would be fine) with the Play Start/End is just silly, but 5 seconds to 20 seconds is still reasonable.
The best way to deal with large samples is to slice them up, then work on the slices. (Again, thanks for that "permanent slice adjustment" idea)

The one mode that really takes advantage of the large sample size is Layer. This is where you can sound-on-sound layers that stay in sync based on the original, but can be doubled/tripled/quadrupled etc., then go back to previous layers, or just loop at a certain point. This takes a surprising amount of sample space.

Because the UI section (Arduino) will be open source eventually, a determined person could add their own designed interface as you say, which could be very interesting as well!

Cheers Funky!
Funky40
wow Sandrine, this sounds all very promising.
seems to be a VERY capable Module.
i hope "for me" that it still will be unclomplicated in use wink

when is your goody coming to live for us, what you think ?


Sandrine wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by the Start Pot/CV taking over the End Pot/CV?

this was an idea for a submodule that i have had planned.
the point here was that on my RS290, if fed the same CV ( with same modulation amount ) to the start AND the end point adjustment of the sample, there was a unlinearity in the behave startpoint vs. endpoint, so the played sample lenght changed also its lenght while scrubbing thru the sample.
....with "taking over" i just meant to have a switch on the frontpanel which would switch the CV - from the pot that is adjusting the startpoint- over to the endpoint adjusting CV, or wise versa, so that one has the ability to adjust both paramteres at the same time with one pot.
Then i would have added also a "spread parameter" so that one still could scrubb thru the sample with one pot, but with the ability to widen the played window at the same time..........not shure if i´m good enough to explain in english wink
those things are fun.
at the end of the day we do have only 2 hands............so, my point "in my thinking and planning" was to add routing switches within such expansion module

keep us keen with some sound snippets every now and then Sandrine wink
Sandrine
No I understand, that's a good explanation.

It does have a switch, if you look at the 3 LEDs above the Start knob, ST GM POS. Pos allows moving around in the sample, and when selected that way the Knob below is the size (or "spread" as you put it), meaning from the POSition to the size.

Those 2 CV inputs (start/end) when used become offsets to the knobs, which allows panning, or if sequenced CV jumps around in that loop space, which I find really cool!

If you start Play FX looping from an echo in this mode, then the size will flow into what has just recorded in echo if the POS knob is all the way to the right.
All of that adjustment will be recorded too razz
Funky40
Sandrine, just one thing more:
when are you ready, respectivly your module ?


AND: thanks for taking the time to respond with full filled heart wink
Sandrine
ASAP is the time frame. I've been re-designing the board to accomodate a larger data port for expansion modules, and possibly external storage or export via USB/SDcard/Thumb drive. Future upgrade/interface stuff.

Unfortunately I ended up having to redo the entire mother board! It's getting there so should be sometime in February, as long as the Chinese spring festival doesn't stop any of the sourcing.

I other words I've been working my little butt off help
Sandrine
I guess I forgot to post this sample from when I was Using super tight echo and rate changes ( via CV ) to try to create a vocoder type of sound.

The sample starts out with a simple sequence, then I adjust up the Blend control so you can hear the echo shifting with CV. Pretty standard, but sounds alien all the same.



http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2015/echofun-dec17.MP3


It's kinda boring in places so I've broken it up as follows:

0:57 Just a pure mono echo with a very slight rate shift to give it depth (excuse the distortion, that wasn't fixed yet at the time)

3:23 The same input (live, holding down notes) being rate shifted using a sequencer output. Starts sounding pretty complex.

4:45 Voice in various resolutions. The max 3 minutes (in stereo) would be 96 minutes at that (1500 s/s or -5 octaves) sample rate hehe.

6:15 When I sing a note, the sequence notes can be heard. Cool effect to do when you sing in, and that comes outs.

7:00 Using a square wave to shift rate gives a pseudo octaval pitch shift.

7:50 Upping the rate and echo time starts to "ring" my voice and then acts like a vocoder.

10:40 The robots are here!

12:20 Weeping 'verb yummy

-edit-

I forgot to mention...

Slicing echos:
During the making of this, I sliced the last couple of minutes, then sequenced those after. During echo (if at full Rate) 3 minutes of stereo can be recorded, but just continually loops, so the slices remain valid until the recording loops around and writes over the first slice, at which point it becomes whatever!

I then played those slices (while still recording), in a different way/rate/FM etc I forget, then that was also be recorded to be re-sliced. After a while the original sounds evolved into something completely different.

I guess I'll have to make a rather long video on that.
krz
[quote="Sandrine"]Woohoo!

... here's the vid!

[video]http://youtu.be/oKPtaN2o4G4[/video]


BTW, if anyone sees anything not good, or thinks it should be a different way, I'm all ears![/quote]

Looks/sounds exciting! With mega slices available and the
"sky's the limit" of modulations, even more astounding!
Mille Plateaux era "clicks n' cuts" artists would've flipped
out to have the choices you're representin'. Definitely
getting into Octatrack parameter locks territory? smile
oberkorn
Hello Sandrine
awesome work, been following for a while and it keeps getting more impressive and interesting!
certainly interested when boards are ready so I'll sign up right here --> [X] smile
mwvm
when is this going to be available to build?
Sandrine
krz wrote:

Looks/sounds exciting! With mega slices available and the
"sky's the limit" of modulations, even more astounding!
Mille Plateaux era "clicks n' cuts" artists would've flipped
out to have the choices you're representin'. Definitely
getting into Octatrack parameter locks territory? smile


It is similar to Parameter locks in that a slice can be created when the right sound is achieved using any of the PlayFX modes. It just plays that slice that was recorded as it was tweaked.

I like to use echo mode because it can be tapped into infinite echo, then when PlayFX is tapped, the echo loop becomes the PlayFX loop. Once the right sound is happening, a tap on record, and when right a tap on Slice will mark that space. Then record can be tapped again to return to recording, (which will echo the PlayFX) or PlayFX can be exited back to infinite echo for another "grab".

I use echos that are 10 or 20 seconds long to start, so it's more like a loop. It's just an easy way to do it. Layer mode can also be used this way and "grows" the loop size in steps of the last loop size.

In straight Record/Play mode, if PlayFX is entered during record, the time since last record up to the time playFX was started becomes the loop, so it's pretty much Live manipulation right away.

That Octratrack is one beefy machine hey, wow! Must be awesome for DJing!
Sandrine
oberkorn wrote:
Hello Sandrine
awesome work, been following for a while and it keeps getting more impressive and interesting!
certainly interested when boards are ready so I'll sign up right here --> [X] smile


Hey, thanks both of you!
It'll be a long while before anything DIY, we want to get the Reflex out there first as it seems there's a lot of people waiting (patiently hihi )
I doubt it'll ever be bare board to be honest. There's about 150 603 caps/resistors, and an ATmega 2560 100 pinner, plus a couple of other fine pitchers.

Our price is going to be pretty decent to boot so...

Anyway, in reference to my last post, here's some slices created from Play FX live modifications being recorded and sliced at the same time, then hooked to a sequencer (controlled by MIDI at one point) of a Doug Stanhope podcast (my comedic hero!)

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/gmoveZC-right-dougStanhope.mp3

PlayFX was Start-End Loops to start, recorded then that G-Moved, in grains and slices from those and recording. No post effects added.
krz
[quote="Sandrine"]

It is similar to Parameter locks in that a slice can be created when the right sound is achieved using any of the PlayFX modes. It just plays that slice that was recorded as it was tweaked.

I like to use echo mode because it can be tapped into infinite echo, then when PlayFX is tapped, the echo loop becomes the PlayFX loop. Once the right sound is happening, a tap on record, and when right a tap on Slice will mark that space. Then record can be tapped again to return to recording, (which will echo the PlayFX) or PlayFX can be exited back to infinite echo for another "grab".

I use echos that are 10 or 20 seconds long to start, so it's more like a loop. It's just an easy way to do it. Layer mode can also be used this way and "grows" the loop size in steps of the last loop size.

In straight Record/Play mode, if PlayFX is entered during record, the time since last record up to the time playFX was started becomes the loop, so it's pretty much Live manipulation right away.

That Octratrack is one beefy machine hey, wow! Must be awesome for DJing![/quote]

Music to my ears, Sandrine. Speaking of, with a musical ear,
(relative pitch abilities at least?) I can imagine the PlayFx,
echo facilitation and modulation, it will be magical for live
improvisers. Alas, I know squat about modulars.
How hard can it be to learn. More difficult than Arduino
coding. More difficult than DJ'ing with an Octatrack?
I dunno, but there's not very many DJ's that I know of that
use OT's. I was impressesd by a DJ that used two with a
TR-909. Continued good vibes to you and your unique build!
Hurray... and you're close to home. Umm.. I'm sold. smile
Funky40
Sandrine wrote:

Anyway, in reference to my last post, here's some slices created from Play FX live modifications being recorded and sliced at the same time, then hooked to a sequencer (controlled by MIDI at one point) of a Doug Stanhope podcast (my comedic hero!)

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/gmoveZC-right-dougStanhope.mp3


hehe,
as the speak came to the octatrack:
i used to try to achive pritty much exactly this ( as aboves sample ) with my octatrack the first year or so.
probably just with much MUCH more work involved, less spontanity, etc. etc. wink

hope the Module will have a Manual wink lol oh, and i hope i´m fluid then lol
Sandrine, not an unimportant question for overseas customers:
will you sell over distributors or just directly ? ( at least fore me, over a distributor makes it easier as i can get things shipped in bulk at once / as a note: each single package here costs additional separate fees beside the regular import tax )
have you allready a ballbark how much wee need to safe up for one ?
Sandrine
Krz, thanks, to mine too! I couldn't tell you how hard modular would be to understand as I've understood it since I was a kid. Built my first synth at 12 using a morse code oscillator I found in a landfill (those were the days!) and a cereal box covered with paper clip switches.

Cool you're in Vic, my parents just moved to Nanoose, so we'll be over there more in the future. We're on far flung Texada Island.

Funky:
That is the problem with complex multi-function stuff. I had a Fostex mixer/recorder ADAT combo before to record any ideas that hit me, and by the time I set it up to actually record something, the inspiration was gone.
Frustrating!

I think (still) fully assembled and ready to rock will be right around $400.
We will be sending them out direct, at least until any distributors (if they do) pick up on it. I have had 1 offer, but they sell kit form only so that'll be a while.

As far as postage is concerned, I could be just sending you a gift couldn't I? I'm not a company, so screw them lol! Payment will be PayPal nearest I can figure.
Where are you Funky? I guess Suisse?
skookum
VI crew chiming in. Nice to see so much talent! I hope to be able to pick one of these guys up when available.
Sandrine
skookum wrote:
VI crew chiming in. Nice to see so much talent! I hope to be able to pick one of these guys up when available.


Cool, thanks skookum(chuck)
I may be able to drop it off over there hehe. I asked my neighbors today about Fanny, and they told me about the FBI lol. Great history there, so I'll be coming just to say I was there

Cheers!
skookum
I'm ashamed to say I've lived in the area for a couple of years but I have yet to visit the FBI. I do *hear* it, across the water sometimes.
davide3737
Hi Sandrine. I'm really impressed by what you've managed to squeeze into 16 HP. Will you ship to the UK? I was thinking of getting 4ms's Dual Looping Delay instead, but now I think I'll get both. Rockin' Banana!
Sandrine
davide3737 wrote:
Hi Sandrine. I'm really impressed by what you've managed to squeeze into 16 HP. Will you ship to the UK? I was thinking of getting 4ms's Dual Looping Delay instead, but now I think I'll get both. Rockin' Banana!


Yes, thanks, and shipping to England, I have lots of family there, so not out of the ordinary.

I've had a look at 4MS DLD, it looks/sounds good. The layout, controls, and methods are quite different than the Reflex for sure. When I started designing the Reflex, I hadn't seen the DLD, which is probably why it's so different. There are similarities too which is interesting (to me)
I think I'll get one just to see how they play together This is fun!

Anyway, I opened the thread to post a video of sampling FM radio. Reception is awful here, but managed to get a mono signal!





I did another video showing simply each PlayFX mode, but youpube isn't cooperating tonight so it'll have to be the one.


I'm constantly being surprised by this machine, I did some stuff with Slices while in PlayFX playing, and an ADSR shape on the rate control CV, it was amazing. Too bad the camera wasn't rolling then hehe. Always the way it is!
notmiserlouagain
Sandrine wrote:

I'm constantly being surprised by this machine,...


Great!

thumbs up

Another demo, please!
windspirit
Gotta say when I saw the first mock up of the panel I was a bit skeptical, not because you don't have skills but because it seemed very ambitious. What you made is very impressive, really interested in seeing where this goes. nanners
Sandrine
Thanks, I'm giving it a go for sure.
It's been a fun project and I'm happy that others are interested as well. Plus, of course, a challenge to boot!

I'm accustomed to getting stuff done quickly (albeit sometimes chaotic) as I ran a radio business for years and most of my clients were truckers and oilfield, they don't like to wait around.

So I've done up a video trying to explain the 3 Basic Play FX types, and show how the knobs change. After that video, I played for 3 hours jeeeez!
Ok here it is

Matos
Sweet jebus! That sounds great! Ohhhhh thhhaaaat tiiiimmmeee sttttreetccch was soooo gooood!
mckenic
woah love we're not worthy It's peanut butter jelly time! applause
Sandrine
thaaaaaaankooouuuu Maaaatoooossss hehe
That's one of my favs too

Nice teaser vid Mekenic. I'd like that on my big screen, trippy! I mean ttttrrriiipppyyyyy! I heard some lofi in there too, nice.
notmiserlouagain
Sandrine wrote:

I'm accustomed to getting stuff done quickly...

Take your time, I´m just starting to save up! love

Btw., do you make your own patchcords, I haven´t seen those before?
lintfresh
This thing keeps getting better and better!
Really looking forward.
skookum
ffffff....start saving now.
Sandrine
notmiserlouagain wrote:
Sandrine wrote:

I'm accustomed to getting stuff done quickly...

Take your time, I´m just starting to save up! love

Btw., do you make your own patchcords, I haven´t seen those before?


Yes they are my own, they're a bit bulky compared to "regular" patch cords, I'm going to get some because they're prettier!

Thanks lintfresh & skookum! Looks like a 100-off to me.
Sandrine
-deleted due copyright infringement possibilty (wasn't radio, direct recording from CD....oops!) Call me paranoid very frustrating

I'll record/sample something else
Sandrine
I guess I should be careful what I sample and post eh?

I know everyone is posting TV episodes and concerts on YouTube etc, but direct off a copyrighted CD, I'm not sure so better safe than sorry!
latigid on
Surely it's covered under fair use? Anyway, I thought it was great yesterday, seems like you can get really creative with just about any source material.
Eloc
Yeah I'm quite sure it would be deemed fair use. Besides, the original sample was only recognisable for the first few seconds, after which it turned into something else entirely...

I'm really enjoying all the demos.
paulstone
woah

I'm impressed , brava Sandrine !
want you make one in 5U for me ? smile
i will design the panel if needed !
thumbs up
Sandrine
Hmm OK. You guys are probably right.

paulStone, 5U? Wow that I'd like to see! Problem is the headers on the "Main board" need min 84mm, about 3 1/4 so you'd have to wait for a complete re-design unfortunately.

I was going to say you could do up your own panel board but...
Now if depth isn't a problem, one header side could be right angle and the other Jumpers/headers. It's just pots & switches and data to an LED river on the panel board, so for a 1-off it wouldn't be too bad
The Big Ear
5u would be nice.
But I could repanel it myself.
Having it working on 15v, that would be a must...
antf4rm
Sounding Great! Can't wait to see this available.
evs
woaah! i.need.this!

just found this thread.
what do i have learned? its a good idea to not just read the eurorack forum..
holy shit. when will it be ready?
paulstone
Sandrine wrote:
Hmm OK. You guys are probably right.

paulStone, 5U? Wow that I'd like to see! Problem is the headers on the "Main board" need min 84mm, about 3 1/4 so you'd have to wait for a complete re-design unfortunately.

I was going to say you could do up your own panel board but...
Now if depth isn't a problem, one header side could be right angle and the other Jumpers/headers. It's just pots & switches and data to an LED river on the panel board, so for a 1-off it wouldn't be too bad


Hi Sandrine , for me there is no deep problem for the 84 mm , so if you can give to me the complete circuit whitout led -pot -switch soldered i will make my own in 5 MU format .
i will contact you in day for a private message !
thx !
Paolo
The Big Ear
paulstone wrote:
so if you can give to me the complete circuit whitout led -pot -switch soldered i will make my own in 5 MU format .


If this would be possible, one for me too

Cheers,
ToAd
Sandrine
antf4rm wrote:
Sounding Great! Can't wait to see this available.


Thanks dude, Soon, soon!

evs wrote:
woaah! i.need.this!

just found this thread.
what do i have learned? its a good idea to not just read the eurorack forum..
holy shit. when will it be ready?


Haha! Yes I'm waiting until I have them in hand before posting anything there. I keep pushing up the date as you know how it goes. Looks to be in March sometime (for sure!) Some of the process is out of my hands, so it's a wait game, even though I'm still programming quite a bit.

paulstone wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
Hmm OK. You guys are probably right.

paulStone, 5U? Wow that I'd like to see! Problem is the headers on the "Main board" need min 84mm, about 3 1/4 so you'd have to wait for a complete re-design unfortunately.

I was going to say you could do up your own panel board but...
Now if depth isn't a problem, one header side could be right angle and the other Jumpers/headers. It's just pots & switches and data to an LED river on the panel board, so for a 1-off it wouldn't be too bad


Hi Sandrine , for me there is no deep problem for the 84 mm , so if you can give to me the complete circuit whitout led -pot -switch soldered i will make my own in 5 MU format .
i will contact you in day for a private message !
thx !
Paolo


Cool, OK. It'll be less cost without the face panel, and all the pots & jacks which accounts for a fair bit of the cost really. The main board and Core board have 21 chips total, the panel has only one, and a few resistors.
Diagram is:

REFLEX PANEL DIAGRAM

-edit- this is the right schem! I guess the size was shrunk so just PM & ask for a clear copy!


The Big Ear wrote:
paulstone wrote:
so if you can give to me the complete circuit whitout led -pot -switch soldered i will make my own in 5 MU format .


If this would be possible, one for me too

Cheers,
ToAd


The whole panel is a separate board so it's easy. The Main Board is has those 4 headers, but they could be left off/ not soldered on. The above diagram shows the headers. I am thinking of changing the 50K pots to 10K pots, which are the metal pots. The remaining two 100K pots are for the attenuvertors so are smaller.
apfEID
wow, this is awesome. Def interested once available!
Sandrine
The Big Ear wrote:
paulstone wrote:
so if you can give to me the complete circuit whitout led -pot -switch soldered i will make my own in 5 MU format .


If this would be possible, one for me too

Cheers,
ToAd


Here's a bigger more up to date schematic
to go off of.

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/ReflexLL-panel1.jpg


And here's the re-post of the sound file from a couple days again (feeling brave!)
After a hard day of programming, I finally was able to get the Gmove slicing working properly.
A quick bit of clarity:
When Slicing, you can slice while recording (which takes precedent), or just a sample playing, echoing, or PlayFX miniLooping (forward and reverse) without taking up any extra sample space.
Gmove grains can be "sliced" also! It's more the section that G-Move was over and it's character that gets saved.
Also, when slices are created, the Sample rate at which the slice was created is saved. Upon playback those slices can be offset by the Rate knob and CV, without affecting the RP play/echo, whatever it was in before.

One final thing is the ability to "dub" over a miniLoop or grain playing with Slice. This offers some really interesting options when used with a sequencer.

This sample was made with a chunk of Bangra music, and quickly trigger slicing a G-Move of it. Then the Gate from the Seq. is plugged into the Slice Play trigger, and an LFO plugged in to select the 50 or so (I'd guess) slices of G-moves.


http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/slicesGmove.mp3

Just the Reflex LiveLoop, nothing else It's peanut butter jelly time!

At around 5minutes there's a cool kind of wave edge going on, I have no idea what it is, which is great!

It took a few seconds to create the slices, but played with it for about an hour LOL!

Update:
I had to do a bit of board revision again, so that's delayed for a few days. The modification is for a higher looping sensitivity and control, and involved a couple more little chips. So had to cancel the order!
Oh no not again!! 5U tsk tsk Dead Banana
All for the better, this will rock!!
Matos
Every clip you post gets me so excited! So many great sounds to be found.
Sandrine
I see by your description that you are lol!
I'm honored oops

To the 5U peeps, here's an improvement to the main board. I'm about to have some testers done up so it was just in time! Holes!



each side is spaced the same distance as the one below it, and short stand-offs or nylon washers will be needed to clear the solder joints of the headers. Other than that, should be solid enough for a vertical.

The view is from the back of the panel as mounted on the euro panel.

Keep in mind the right side should sorta be the closer side to the AC in Jacks unless you want to shield them. Also the lower left side hole gets covered by the little digital board which plugs on to the horizontal headers...if that matters
Maco
MY ASS IS BLEEDING

I guess its posible to use sliders instead of pots
Sandrine
Maco wrote:
MY ASS IS BLEEDING

I guess its posible to use sliders instead of pots


Don't see why not. As long as they're linear. Are you thinking giant Alps sliders?
Dogma
i created a thread for people who dont venture here from the euro forum as this bad boy could help a lot of people out wink
batchas
Sandrine wrote:
After a hard day of programming, I finally was able to get the Gmove slicing working properly.
A quick bit of clarity:
When Slicing, you can slice while recording (which takes precedent), or just a sample playing, echoing, or PlayFX miniLooping (forward and reverse) without taking up any extra sample space.
Gmove grains can be "sliced" also! It's more the section that G-Move was over and it's character that gets saved.
Also, when slices are created, the Sample rate at which the slice was created is saved. Upon playback those slices can be offset by the Rate knob and CV, without affecting the RP play/echo, whatever it was in before.

One final thing is the ability to "dub" over a miniLoop or grain playing with Slice. This offers some really interesting options when used with a sequencer.

SlayerBadger! applause

Sandrine wrote:
http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/slicesGmove.mp3
Just the Reflex LiveLoop, nothing else It's peanut butter jelly time!

MY ASS IS BLEEDING
hyena
count me in for one! especially if you plan on releasing assembled modules! (if not i'll find some skilled one to do it for me, i'm a disaster with the soldering iron grin )

this is EXACTLY what i wanted from a live looper\sampler.
chapelier fou
I am so interested as well.
Preferably a kit.
Bamboombaps
SlayerBadger! im in SlayerBadger!
Sandrine
Dogma wrote:
i created a thread for people who dont venture here from the euro forum as this bad boy could help a lot of people out wink


Thanks Dogma
I was going to wait until I have some available before the "debut" post, but I suppose a heads up works too.

The first release will be a fully ready-to-go module, but also it will be available without the panel board and associated goodies for those who want to take on a panel re-design for a larger format, at a somewhat lower cost of course.

I don't think it'll ever be "bare board" for the main board or digital board just because of the fine pitch parts. There's quite a few, I don't know if I'd want to take that on myself. 836 SMD "pads" to solder!
The panel board on the other hand most certainly, to save us putting it together by hand.

The release date isn't too far off, barring any big issues in assembly. We're basically waiting for the test boards now.

Pretty exciting! hyper

BTW: I have the ATMEGA listed as an R3 board in the original specs, and this is no longer the case, but it will still be programmable (mostly for firmware updates) via USB micro B jack. Integrating the 100 pin Atmega chip saved a ton of space plus reduced the overall height by 1 cm.

Thankyou everyone for your support, we'll make this happen!
ES
applause amazing.
and just as Im running out of space...
HeWhoWantsJeans
Sandrine wrote:

The first release will be a fully ready-to-go module, but also it will be available without the panel board and associated goodies for those who want to take on a panel re-design for a larger format, at a somewhat lower cost of course.

I don't think it'll ever be "bare board" for the main board or digital board just because of the fine pitch parts. There's quite a few, I don't know if I'd want to take that on myself. 836 SMD "pads" to solder!
The panel board on the other hand most certainly, to save us putting it together by hand.

The release date isn't too far off, barring any big issues in assembly. We're basically waiting for the test boards now.

Pretty exciting! hyper

If you offered up a version with all the SMD stuff done but all the through-hole as for the user - I'd be interested / excited to the point of risking heart palpitations. This sounds perfect for what I want to do in my work.
sizzler
count me in for one of the first batch. sold
Maco
Giant like 100 mm? I think horizontal sliders to select the starts and end of the sample Dead Banana

I want to integrate your sampler in mixer im trying to design jejeje



Sandrine wrote:
Maco wrote:
MY ASS IS BLEEDING

I guess its posible to use sliders instead of pots


Don't see why not. As long as they're linear. Are you thinking giant Alps sliders?
ZatsuOn
Very cool to see this coming together -- looks and sounds like an awesome module!
edwinm
Sandrine wrote:
836 SMD "pads" to solder!


Blimey!
Sandrine
Thanks all of you!
Inspiration to get my butt in gear, weee! Trampoline
I'll post my email for orders when the time comes.

Yes, like those giant 100mm sliders Maco. This I can't wait to see!

BTW I made a video on Slices with PlayFX miniloop in the slices with ye olde acoustic gitter but I don't have time to post it so tomorrow wink
fma
Sandrine wrote:
Maco wrote:
MY ASS IS BLEEDING

I guess its posible to use sliders instead of pots


Don't see why not. As long as they're linear. Are you thinking giant Alps sliders?


I have 10 long throw P&G faders just waiting for this smile
HIMA
damn, i just saw this. subbing for updates. I have to have to have one! brilliant work we're not worthy
paulstone
anxious for this Miley Cyrus
gbiz
Sandrine wrote:

I don't think it'll ever be "bare board" for the main board or digital board just because of the fine pitch parts. There's quite a few, I don't know if I'd want to take that on myself. 836 SMD "pads" to solder!


How fine pitch are you talking here ?. Finer than whats on the Mutable boards (0603/TSSOP/TQFP64 etc) ?.
Sandrine
Yep, TQFP 100, plus some of the chips are very expensive unless in quantity. For example, the DAC is $32 at digikey. All of the pads are PNP sized, to save space, not "hand solder" .
I'm not saying it'll never happen, but I don't want a devoted thread (like MI) "reflex unsuccessful builds" that's just not good carma, not at this time meh

In any case, boards are on their way, and yes, I must give it a go and verify the layout before assembly. (ugg) So I'll post a log on that and we'll see!

Panels are on their way also!
Sandrine
Here's a video on PlayFX'ing a Slice using my faithful old acoustic guitar, they are great for sampling!



Here's how the program sits right now with Slices & PlayFX:

If Slices Playing First, then a PlayFX is started on a slice:


After creating some slices (with peak or manual or a trigger source) they can be played from the panel, well 16 of them can be. After that a CV is needed to access the 100's of others.
The Rate knob, when SLC.SEL button is pressed, becomes the Slice Selector. This also acts as an offset to the CV, not voltage-wise, but Slice-wise. So if you have 30 slices, you can play the first 16 from the Rate Knob, and if a CV voltage of 1/2 range, or 2.5V is introduced, You could access 15 to 30 +1 again.

Anyway, oops got into it a bit much there!

PlayFX will act upon a slice as a miniLoop inside it. If PlayFX is set so the knobs are Start/End controls, then the slice's start and end will be played accordingly.
If the knobs are left (untouched) all of the slices will play from these points of start/end.
If the knobs are moved on a slice, then the slice is "re-calibrated" permanently once a different slice is played, but will remain full size until then.
This only happens with the knobs and pressing Slice button, not the Start/End CV's or trigger alone, or they'd keep shrinking during a sequence until gone all together..bummer!

Slices that are un-modified and not adjusted, will just follow the PlayFX start/end knobs position as they're being played by a sequencer or whatever.
If playFX is exited back to just playing Slices, the modified slices will play as modified.

If PlayFX is miniLooping or Granulizing a sample, then a slice is played, the slice just overruns the PlayFX. If the Slice Loop is off, it'l return to the PlayFX in progress.

Sooo, does anyone think this is a bad method?
HeWhoWantsJeans
Sandrine wrote:
Yep, TQFP 100, plus some of the chips are very expensive unless in quantity. For example, the DAC is $32 at digikey. All of the pads are PNP sized, to save space, not "hand solder" .
I'm not saying it'll never happen, but I don't want a devoted thread (like MI) "reflex unsuccessful builds" that's just not good carma, not at this time meh

In any case, boards are on their way, and yes, I must give it a go and verify the layout before assembly. (ugg) So I'll post a log on that and we'll see!

Panels are on their way also!

That's alright. I look forward to hearing more about this module - namely squirreling away money for it. It looks fantastic. thumbs up
Sandrine
Here's a video (posted for a friend actually) on the handling of making Slices at different Sample Rates.
It seems intuitive to make them all at one rate, but in order for them to come out like they went in, the Rate must be tracked as well, then added to the present Slice Play rate + any CV coming in.



One good thing about this is that you can make an ass-load of Slices at lower sample rates, slices that don't need to be HiFi, and yet make others at higher rates that need the fidelity.

On top of all this, the Sample Rate CV can change the Play Rate while creating a slice so they all become different. If during record, of course, the slices and the audio will change.
clarte
This module is a stroke of pure genius, kudos
edwinm
I just hope it comes with a manual smile
Sandrine
clarte wrote:
This module is a stroke of pure genius, kudos


Thanks! uh oh! My head is swelling hihi


edwinm wrote:
I just hope it comes with a manual smile


Oh yes! I use it to design. Always makes sense to read it in the manual first right?...er well that's the thinking.
Also there will be a "cheat sheet" quick guide kinda thing as well, as I know how daunting a manual can be.

A page on my site is underway also, it's totally not finished yet so I won't post the link, but it's a sort of user manual in the features section.
Sandrine
I've just updated/formatted the feature list at the beginning of this thread, to make it a bit easier to read and more up to date

Here, again are the features

Record Sample Rate: 174 seconds in stereo at 48Ks/s.
This isn't an "up to" spec., it's better than CD quality for almost 3minutes!
- Maximum Record times / quality per channel:
174 seconds @ 48Ks/s 16 bit >CD Quality
248 seconds @ 24Ks/s 16 bit >FM Radio Quality
11.6 minutes @ 12Ks/s 16 bit >AM Radio Quality
23.2 minutes @ 6Ks/s 16 bit Retro Sampler Quality
46.4 minutes @ 3Ks/s 16 bit Min Voice Quality
92.8 minutes @ 1.5Ks/s 16 bit LFO, Wave making Quality )
- 10 octave Sample Rate Playback range via CV + Rate Knob offset
- Knob Take-over Sample Rate recall for each Mode transition:
- LED circle direction indication (four flashes) and present Rate position indication
- "Smart Take-over" eliminates "hard" jumps by becoming active once Knob returns to previous position
- "Slide-To" for moving away from previous sample rate position

I/O:
- Trigger inputs for Record/SOS/Delay/Play/Clock, Creating Slices, Playing Slices, PlayFX start/sync
- Gate input for PlayFX
- Footswitch (S-Trig/Gate) for Record/SOS/Delay/Play, PlayFX start/sync/stop
- Bipolar CV inputs for Sample Rate Control/offset, EQ bands, with attenuvertors
- Unipolar CV inputs for Slice Selection, PlayFX start and End Control offsets

Audio:
- Stereo Inputs 10V p-p L&R all samples rec/play in stereo
- Feedback Return input isolated mix to sampler, Feedback insert return
- Stereo Outputs 10V p-p L&R
- Blend Control to mix incoming audio with outgoing audio
- Feedback Level control for send, or third output channel of sample output only (for multiple amps)
- intelligent auto fade-out for echo and layer stops independant of input mix setting (1/2 cross fade)
- Spectrum Analyzer for RGB "Color Organ" audio indication/analysis.
- Absolute Zero Latency Audio, absolutely!
- Zero Crossing Point Loop Lock and Soft-Mute technology for click free speed looping.

RP (record/play) Sampler Modes:
- 3 Main RP (Record/Play) Modes: Layer, Echo (delay), R/P Sampler (simple record/punch-in/append)
- Foot Switch compatibility Mode (S-Trig) for foot controlled sync'ed echo/looping/layering
- Record (Continuous) PlayFX and Slices simultaneously into delay/sample/layer for Looping afterwards
- Auto-Slices R/P, Echo (delay), Layer action points for instant recall using Slice Select/CV
- No "Memory Full" stop of recording, loops forever! Good to recall recent sequences via Play Slices
- Clock Trigger Synchronization of Layer and Echo by "Arming" Steps
- Clock Trigger input with /1 - /16 setting for arm rec/arm delay/arm Slice & playFX sync

Sample Slicing:
- Sample Slicing during any mode (Record/Play/Echo etc), up to 400 slices, via T/G input, audio peaks, or Slice button.
- Peak Auto-Slicing by audio levels and intelligent noise floor, amplitude angle/delta algorithm.
- Slicing format controlled intuitively by Mode:
. Record: Sequential Slicing (Slice End = Next Slice Start)
. Echo (delay) / Layer (SOS) : Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. Infinite echo/Layer play: Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. R/P Play loop: Sequential
. Play FX Start/End, Position/Size miniLoops: Loop sized slices starting at slice creation
. PlayFX G-Move: Present G-Move position
- Sequence Slices via CV voltage ratio / # of Slices and Slice Play trigger
- 1-16 Manual Slice Play selector/ CV offset with LED Slice# indication
- Slice Sample Rate recall + Rate knob offset + Rate CV offset
- Variable Rate Slicing to increase record time drastically when HIFI not req'd with "as created" playback
- "Slice Groove" Automation feature: Record a tap sequence using selected slices, then loop playback!
- Sliced RAM record protection, to protect created slices during continuous recording

PlayFX:
- 3 PlayFX Modes to play sections of RP Sample at any time, slice-able
- PlayFX (all modes) inside of slices (global) and button controlled permanent Slice modification
- Simultaneous Record and PlayFX/Slice to loop/echo out applied FX.
- PlayFX Trigger input for Start/re-start miniLoop Play

PlayFX Modes:
- Loop Start/End controls & CV's for Sample/MiniLoop/Slice/G-Move Playing
- Reverse PlayFX when in Start/End Play mode (by reversing Start and End controls)
- Loop Position/Sizes & CV's for constant Loop size while panning through Sample/MiniLoop/Slice
- G-Move Flowing Granulizer Direction/Speed and Grain Size knob and CV controllable. Sizes: < 1 mS to 250 mS.
- G-Move Granulizer "roll space" can be defined by presently playing MiniLoop, Echo/delay, Layer or Slice boundries.
- Layered PlayFX priority: MiniLoop/Granulize inside a Slice, Granulize inside of a MiniLoop, Slice over a MiniLoop.
- Play FX or a Slice while still Recording / Layering / Echoing via Buttons or T/G.
- Built in CV band controllable EQ for fine tuning feedback and FX output. Flat band mode for CV VCA FX.
- FX (Left) channel feedback insert for external send return filter insertion. Adjustable Send 10V P-P standard.

Interface:
- 32 LED Indicators, 9 for LED Circle to indicate Last Rate upon return from/to modes and Slice Select/Clock div set
- Power up panel Last Settings memory
- USART, audio and data bus Interface for possible Future Expansion:
MIDI controller, Extra audio, CV, SD Card/USB drive, Slicer/sequencer, Splitter, all of the above (Super Looper?)
- Arduino Atmega 2560 16AU with on-board USB
- Firmware Upgrade-able, ships with V1.00 as of March 2016:
. Highly possible additions to feature list:
. Slice overdub, Peak slice "back slice" alignment, Auto calibrate (Feedback Max Position), Auto Calibrate ( CV's)



I've kept the basic functions intuitive very simple to access, but there's more advanced, less used functions that can be accessed by holding down buttons.
The "transport" buttons, red, white, and green, are tap on, tap step-to-next, hold stop style for the most part. For example, in R/P mode (record/play) a tap on the record button will start a record, and a second tap will end the record and start the sample playing, while subsequent taps will punch-in/append the loop.
In Echo(delay) and Layer Modes, this makes it easy to get a sync like tap-tempo. The T/G & Footswitch inputs can work the same way.
The Clock input (Rec T/F/C) can be set from /1 to /16 and can be used with "arming" the record button to act as a sync to external modules. This clock sync will allow slices (if created in echo(delay) or Layer modes) to also be synced. Rate variance updates ensure the samples stay in sync.
notmiserlouagain
Big thumbs up, Sandrine, hope you´re not making this all up, as it´s almost too good to be true hihi

Can you already approximate what will be the power draw?
I have abandoned Eurorack for subjective reasons,
but exceptions prove the rule and I have a Doepfer beauty case still around somewhere just for that instance...
Sandrine
notmiserlouagain wrote:
Big thumbs up, Sandrine, hope you´re not making this all up, as it´s almost too good to be true hihi

Can you already approximate what will be the power draw?
I have abandoned Eurorack for subjective reasons,
but exceptions prove the rule and I have a Doepfer beauty case still around somewhere just for that instance...


Huh? Make what up? How? CG animations? lol! Did you watch any videos?

That's great if it's considered too good to be true, because it is true nanners

As for the power draw, things in the circuits have changed since I last checked so I'll pull it and have a look. It gets a bit warm hehe.
notmiserlouagain
Sandrine wrote:
How? CG animations?


Exactly. You´re the person to pull it off- hmmm.....
Sandrine
Why Thankyou!
I guess you've seen some of my CG stuff. I recommend it (I use Maya for CG) to everyone as a good visualization tool.

Anyway, the "preliminary" power consumption is
+12V - 180mA (Predictably so)
+5V - 12.5mA (23mA at power up as this drives LEDs and all are on at power-up)
-12V - 56mA (which is surprising to me, thought it'd be less)

These specs are for full out running Rec/Play which is a bit higher than quiescent standby. Also there is some built-on test circuitry on the prototype which is adding some to it.
A proper current draw spec will be posted once the boards come.
latigid on
Sandrine wrote:
Why Thankyou!
I guess you've seen some of my CG stuff. I recommend it (I use Maya for CG) to everyone as a good visualization tool.

Anyway, the "preliminary" power consumption is
+12V - 180mA (Predictably so)
+5V - 12.5mA (23mA at power up as this drives LEDs and all are on at power-up)
-12V - 56mA (which is surprising to me, thought it'd be less)

These specs are for full out running Rec/Play which is a bit higher than quiescent standby. Also there is some built-on test circuitry on the prototype which is adding some to it.
A proper current draw spec will be posted once the boards come.


A thirsty beast! Just to note that many cabinets don't have the +5V rail, so if there's any way to include a 'lil regulator onboard I'd recommend it.
Sandrine
There is a 5V jumper solution to one of the 5V reg's on board, but I always believed in keeping noisy digital off the analog lines. If the 12V bus isn't well filtered some of that noise could get back into the analog, as I'm sure you know wink

Also the Reflex LiveLoop ships with a custom length of ribbon/plugs made by yours truly, so upon ordering please specify the length required.
Jahbo
Amazing work, can´t wait for it to be finished so we can all get to play with it.
Do you have any thoughts regarding a release date?

thanks
ObfuscatedVisuals
SlayerBadger!

Sandrine wrote:
I've just updated/formatted the feature list at the beginning of this thread, to make it a bit easier to read and more up to date

Here, again are the features

Record Sample Rate: 174 seconds in stereo at 48Ks/s.
This isn't an "up to" spec., it's better than CD quality for almost 3minutes!
- Maximum Record times / quality per channel:
174 seconds @ 48Ks/s 16 bit >CD Quality
248 seconds @ 24Ks/s 16 bit >FM Radio Quality
11.6 minutes @ 12Ks/s 16 bit >AM Radio Quality
23.2 minutes @ 6Ks/s 16 bit Retro Sampler Quality
46.4 minutes @ 3Ks/s 16 bit Min Voice Quality
92.8 minutes @ 1.5Ks/s 16 bit LFO, Wave making Quality )
- 10 octave Sample Rate Playback range via CV + Rate Knob offset
- Knob Take-over Sample Rate recall for each Mode transition:
- LED circle direction indication (four flashes) and present Rate position indication
- "Smart Take-over" eliminates "hard" jumps by becoming active once Knob returns to previous position
- "Slide-To" for moving away from previous sample rate position

I/O:
- Trigger inputs for Record/SOS/Delay/Play/Clock, Creating Slices, Playing Slices, PlayFX start/sync
- Gate input for PlayFX
- Footswitch (S-Trig/Gate) for Record/SOS/Delay/Play, PlayFX start/sync/stop
- Bipolar CV inputs for Sample Rate Control/offset, EQ bands, with attenuvertors
- Unipolar CV inputs for Slice Selection, PlayFX start and End Control offsets

Audio:
- Stereo Inputs 10V p-p L&R all samples rec/play in stereo
- Feedback Return input isolated mix to sampler, Feedback insert return
- Stereo Outputs 10V p-p L&R
- Blend Control to mix incoming audio with outgoing audio
- Feedback Level control for send, or third output channel of sample output only (for multiple amps)
- intelligent auto fade-out for echo and layer stops independant of input mix setting (1/2 cross fade)
- Spectrum Analyzer for RGB "Color Organ" audio indication/analysis.
- Absolute Zero Latency Audio, absolutely!
- Zero Crossing Point Loop Lock and Soft-Mute technology for click free speed looping.

RP (record/play) Sampler Modes:
- 3 Main RP (Record/Play) Modes: Layer, Echo (delay), R/P Sampler (simple record/punch-in/append)
- Foot Switch compatibility Mode (S-Trig) for foot controlled sync'ed echo/looping/layering
- Record (Continuous) PlayFX and Slices simultaneously into delay/sample/layer for Looping afterwards
- Auto-Slices R/P, Echo (delay), Layer action points for instant recall using Slice Select/CV
- No "Memory Full" stop of recording, loops forever! Good to recall recent sequences via Play Slices
- Clock Trigger Synchronization of Layer and Echo by "Arming" Steps
- Clock Trigger input with /1 - /16 setting for arm rec/arm delay/arm Slice & playFX sync

Sample Slicing:
- Sample Slicing during any mode (Record/Play/Echo etc), up to 500 slices, via T/G input, audio peaks, or Slice button.
- Peak Auto-Slicing by audio levels and intelligent noise floor, amplitude angle/delta algorithm.
- Slicing format controlled intuitively by Mode:
. Record: Sequencial Slicing (Slice End = Next Slice Start)
. Echo (delay) / Layer (SOS) : Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. Infinite echo/Layer play: Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. R/P Play loop: Sequencial
. Play FX Start/End, Position/Size miniLoops: Loop sized slices starting at slice creation
. PlayFX G-Move: Present G-Move position
- Sequence Slices via CV voltage ratio / # of Slices and Slice Play trigger
- 1-16 Manual Slice Play selector/ CV offset with LED Slice# indication
- Slice Sample Rate recall + Rate knob offset + Rate CV offset
- Variable Rate Slicing to increase record time drastically when HIFI not req'd with "as created" playback
- "Slice Groove" Automation feature: Record a tap sequence using selected slices, then loop playback!
- Sliced RAM record protection, to protect created slices during continuous recording

PlayFX:
- 3 PlayFX Modes to play sections of RP Sample at any time, slice-able
- PlayFX (all modes) inside of slices (global) and button controlled permanent Slice modification
- Simultaneous Record and PlayFX/Slice to loop/echo out applied FX.
- PlayFX Trigger input for Start/re-start miniLoop Play

PlayFX Modes:
- Loop Start/End controls & CV's for Sample/MiniLoop/Slice/G-Move Playing
- Reverse PlayFX when in Start/End Play mode (by reversing Start and End controls)
- Loop Position/Sizes & CV's for constant Loop size while panning through Sample/MiniLoop/Slice
- G-Move Flowing Granulizer Direction/Speed and Grain Size knob and CV controllable. Sizes: < 1 mS to 250 mS.
- G-Move Granulizer "roll space" can be defined by presently playing MiniLoop, Echo/delay, Layer or Slice boundries.
- Layered PlayFX priority: MiniLoop/Granulize inside a Slice, Granulize inside of a MiniLoop, Slice over a MiniLoop.
- Play FX or a Slice while still Recording / Layering / Echoing via Buttons or T/G.
- Built in CV band controllable EQ for fine tuning feedback and FX output. Flat band mode for CV VCA FX.
- FX (Left) channel feedback insert for external send return filter insertion. Adjustable Send 10V P-P standard.

Interface:
- 32 LED Indicators, 9 for LED Circle to indicate Last Rate upon return from/to modes and Slice Select/Clock div set
- Power up panel Last Settings memory
- USART, audio and data bus Interface for possible Future Expansion:
MIDI controller, Extra audio, CV, SD Card/USB drive, Slicer/sequencer, Splitter, all of the above (Super Looper?)
- Arduino Atmega 2560 16AU with on-board USB
- Firmware Upgrade-able, ships with V1.00 as of March 2016:
. Highly possible additions to feature list:
. Slice overdub, Peak slice "back slice" alignment, Auto calibrate (Feedback Max Position), Auto Calibrate ( CV's)



I've kept the basic functions intuitive very simple to access, but there's more advanced, less used functions that can be accessed by holding down buttons.
The "transport" buttons, red, white, and green, are tap on, tap step-to-next, hold stop style for the most part. For example, in R/P mode (record/play) a tap on the record button will start a record, and a second tap will end the record and start the sample playing, while subsequent taps will punch-in/append the loop.
In Echo(delay) and Layer Modes, this makes it easy to get a sync like tap-tempo. The T/G & Footswitch inputs can work the same way.
The Clock input (Rec T/F/C) can be set from /1 to /16 and can be used with "arming" the record button to act as a sync to external modules. This clock sync will allow slices (if created in echo(delay) or Layer modes) to also be synced. Rate variance updates ensure the samples stay in sync.
Sandrine
Jahbo wrote:
Amazing work, can´t wait for it to be finished so we can all get to play with it.
Do you have any thoughts regarding a release date?

thanks


It's getting really fun now most of the bugs are gone
There's 2 batches coming, a small one and then the bigger one, so if all goes as planned, and I really give it s**t, the end of the month.
Sandrine
I'm about to post a video on PlayFX position/size mode, which shows how it's used as I've noticed it's not covered well in any videos I've posted thus far.
The vid's not finished yet, but I have uploaded an mp3 on using Pos/Size with CV's and triggering it etc. with commentary all through describing what I'm doing.

I sampled in some Bangra music, which is great for sample twisting, then patched 3 sequencer CV channels into the Reflex:
CV 1: into the "Position" CV
CV 2: into the Sample Rate CV (with attenuvertor near center)
CV 3: into the "Size" CV

One sequencer gate is feeding in to the PlayFX trigger so it'll stay in sync.

Here's what happened!

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/Pos-Size-sequencing.mp3


It's all one long recording except at 7mins where I paused to...you know

I feel like making an album just on stuff done with Reflex!
Sandrine
Here's a video demo/tutorial on Position-Size PlayFX. Can't do that in a users manual!
It doesn't show the Size "fine" mode as I'm not sure if that should stay or not, needs more testing.

Matos
It says the video is private.
Sandrine
Thanks Matos! I forgot to hit the magical Publish button, funny it looked fine to me hmmm.....
Jahbo
Sandrine wrote:
Jahbo wrote:
Amazing work, can´t wait for it to be finished so we can all get to play with it.
Do you have any thoughts regarding a release date?

thanks


It's getting really fun now most of the bugs are gone
There's 2 batches coming, a small one and then the bigger one, so if all goes as planned, and I really give it s**t, the end of the month.


Sound great.
Is there any place to sign up for ordering one? i guess you are doing direct sales at first?
Sandrine
Jahbo wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
Jahbo wrote:
Amazing work, can´t wait for it to be finished so we can all get to play with it.
Do you have any thoughts regarding a release date?

thanks


It's getting really fun now most of the bugs are gone
There's 2 batches coming, a small one and then the bigger one, so if all goes as planned, and I really give it s**t, the end of the month.


Sound great.
Is there any place to sign up for ordering one? i guess you are doing direct sales at first?


Yes direct sales through payPal. The contact address will be reflex@freshnelly.com and I will require your address for shipping and power connector info (length) then will send back the payPal account and amount invoice.

I am only posting this info here as our first stock will likely be gone fairly quickly, (for everyone that has helped make this a reality with their suggestions/feedback/support!) then once we have more stock we'll post an "introducing" link on the Eurorack forum to the site.

BTW please don't try the email yet, it's won't be active for a few days yet!
Matos
Can't wait. Sounds so fun!
mOBiTh
i'm properly sold on the loopy house vocal angle!

how much is it - does it say somewhere? MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Sandrine
Haha yes that is cool. I have to pull myself away from it when testing, or hours go by and nothing gets done.

Looks to be still around $400.
Sandrine
Here's little video on the Slice Groove Sequencer. Pretty proud of this one. Up to 200 "taps" or notes can be in a sequence, so if the notes aren't close together, it can be quite a long sequence.
I was going to remove this feature, but it's just way too much fun and very quick to operate as you see in the video.




It is CV (select & rate) controllable external, but was meant for tapping in more-so.
PlayFX and it's CV's /triggers can also run inside these slices as they're sequenced. It's a lot of control for one feature!
Matos
Damn! You're setting the bar so high I'm going to have to hire a Sherpa and pack oxygen. Dead Banana
batchas
Shame I can't change my vote from "too complicated" to "amazing"!!!

I voted too complicated while you posted the first picture of it only because I was not fan of the interface/design. A matter of taste in fact. I admit I was thinking mostly: much too much happening on such a small surface.

Now that I kept following each posts in this thread since the start, I must admit your creation is impressive. Very, very impressive!
I know how intense and time-consuming the programming can be, but the time you invested in here seems pretty worth it to me when I look of the result. And you still come up with each video with new functions which makes it really unique.
You can indeed be proud!
Respect we're not worthy
jwm
yeah this looks..bonkers. eek! really really interested now.

quick question, and i apologize if this has already been asked and answered already (this is getting pretty deep here), as it seems like a simple thing...but how do you erase a loop/sample you've recorded in order to record something new?
Sandrine
batchas wrote:
Shame I can't change my vote from "too complicated" to "amazing"!!!

I voted too complicated while you posted the first picture of it only because I was not fan of the interface/design. A matter of taste in fact. I admit I was thinking mostly: much too much happening on such a small surface.

Now that I kept following each posts in this thread since the start, I must admit your creation is impressive. Very, very impressive!
I know how intense and time-consuming the programming can be, but the time you invested in here seems pretty worth it to me when I look of the result. And you still come up with each video with new functions which makes it really unique.
You can indeed be proud!
Respect we're not worthy


Thanks! Now where's that old Tiara..
Mostly the size was a consideration, but as someone else mentioned "with all the functionality it could be bigger" which is maybe true.
In any case I'm glad "too complicated" meant squashed together, and not the operation!


jwm wrote:
yeah this looks..bonkers. eek! really really interested now.

quick question, and i apologize if this has already been asked and answered already (this is getting pretty deep here), as it seems like a simple thing...but how do you erase a loop/sample you've recorded in order to record something new?


I don't think I've covered that so good question thumbs up

In all 3 modes, R/P (record/Play), Echo (delay), and Layer (aligned SOS), the record button ( or trigger in) handles everything.
Say you're in R/P mode. You record a sample by tapping REC, then tap it again to switch to play the sample. Following taps will over dub (or punch-in if the feedback knob is down) and/or append the sample.
Holding the record button will stop record or playing, and reset the "record head"
At this point you can record a new sample, which will erase the old , or use the playFX button or slice play to recall it.

Internally, the memory is linear when recording. Purposely it continues to record in a large loop.
Say you're in echo mode. The echo isn't just in one small area, it continues through the whole memory. Each time there's an action on the record button, say to switch to infinite echo, then back to regular echo, a slice is created. If no slices are created by you, then moments of the echo can be recalled by playing these slices.
This also allows for "near live" playFX recall which is cool if start/end is set to reverse, or an echo that just happened can be tweaked imediately in playFX while still recording, then echoed upon exit of PlayFX.
Anyway, after 3 minutes ( or 6 minutes at 1 octave down, say ) the echo records over itself and those "automatic" slices are no longer available.
but..
If you start recording/playing in any mode, and create slices, that area of memory will be protected until the slices are erased (holding the slice button 4 seconds). This way, you can record & create a loop of whatever you're doing with those slices & PlayFX, without erasing them by accident.

I know that's a long answer, but it makes things clear I think.
In a nutshell, there is no "erase".
lintfresh
Sandrine, you're a freaking genius.
Every time I visit this thread I'm blown away.
myecholalia
just added this to modulargrid so that i can throw it into my planned rack.
amazing work. congrats!
toneburst
This project looks great!
I remember reading the original thread about the previous version, and thinking the same thing, then never being able to find the thread again when I wanted to see if there had been any updates. It's great to see there have been!

I'll be waiting for the DIY version.

a|x
mwvm
Sandrine wrote:
Jahbo wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
Jahbo wrote:
Amazing work, can´t wait for it to be finished so we can all get to play with it.
Do you have any thoughts regarding a release date?

thanks


It's getting really fun now most of the bugs are gone
There's 2 batches coming, a small one and then the bigger one, so if all goes as planned, and I really give it s**t, the end of the month.


Sound great.
Is there any place to sign up for ordering one? i guess you are doing direct sales at first?


Yes direct sales through payPal. The contact address will be reflex@freshnelly.com and I will require your address for shipping and power connector info (length) then will send back the payPal account and amount invoice.

I am only posting this info here as our first stock will likely be gone fairly quickly, (for everyone that has helped make this a reality with their suggestions/feedback/support!) then once we have more stock we'll post an "introducing" link on the Eurorack forum to the site.

BTW please don't try the email yet, it's won't be active for a few days yet!


so you'll have a bit on your website where you can buy this thing?
Sandrine
lintfresh wrote:
Sandrine, you're a freaking genius.
Every time I visit this thread I'm blown away.

oops

myecholalia wrote:
just added this to modulargrid so that i can throw it into my planned rack.
amazing work. congrats!


Well myecholalia you beat me to it. I had planned to add it myself, but busy, you know. Can I edit it if new features are added?
Thanks for the creds!


toneburst wrote:
This project looks great!
I remember reading the original thread about the previous version, and thinking the same thing, then never being able to find the thread again when I wanted to see if there had been any updates. It's great to see there have been!

I'll be waiting for the DIY version.
a|x


That was a while back, probably October. Once I put my mind to something...

mwvm wrote:
so you'll have a bit on your website where you can buy this thing?


Yes, it'll be direct at first, until some dealers come a knockin'. I haven' made any effort there at all, no time

So, the reason I popped into MW was to post this mp3 of G-Move under CV control, which I have strangely not mentioned before.
This is a guy yapping on the radio, and G-Move is under control of 2 slow LFO's, one at .5 Hz on the grain Size .3V to 3V, and the other (GM) at 8 seconds.

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/gMove-CVs.mp3

The G-Move Direction/speed follows the GM CV input so, even though the reaction is instant, the time it takes to traverse a sample depends on the size of the sample. This one is about 5 seconds.

Also, I've had a look at the panels and they sure are pretty!
Funky40
totally awesome work Sandrine !
a dream in modularland will come true.

Sandrine wrote:

I know that's a long answer, but it makes things clear I think.

just one thing:
i really fear that i will be one of the guys that will require a GOOD manual wink
hope you will find the time to write one


as a sidenote here:
please keep in mind that writing it once down in a clear way, might save you to answer over and over again the same questions.
I´ve seen guys in the net doing so.
while they earn much love for doing so..........
i think doing a good manual upfront when releasing very complex/capable gear is the better way to go: for everybody.
The Genius programmer as the customer as well.......

.......the reflex looper looks very complex/ capable wink It is, isn´t it ? wink
Sandrine
Funky40 wrote:
totally awesome work Sandrine !
a dream in modularland will come true.

Sandrine wrote:

I know that's a long answer, but it makes things clear I think.

just one thing:
i really fear that i will be one of the guys that will require a GOOD manual wink
hope you will find the time to write one


as a sidenote here:
please keep in mind that writing it once down in a clear way, might save you to answer over and over again the same questions.
I´ve seen guys in the net doing so.
while they earn much love for doing so..........
i think doing a good manual upfront when releasing very complex/capable gear is the better way to go: for everybody.
The Genius programmer as the customer as well.......

.......the reflex looper looks very complex/ capable wink It is, isn´t it ? wink


It is, and isn't, it depends on how far you want to into it. Once you understand the 3 main modes of operation, it's pretty simple.
Record/Play, Slicing, PlayFX
They can all interact with each other, but it's pretty intuitive and does what one thinks it should smile
2 manuals: Quick Start, and full manual, I promise! I've written 30+ manuals before so...simple!

Or you can go crazy with it like this:
http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/SliceGroove+Seq-hands.mp3
Gets good after 2:49 hooked to the sequencer and using it to program the "slice groove". Same sequence just moving up and down the slice offsets and adding occasional playFX/reversing etc. Couldn't stop It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners Rockin' Banana! It's peanut butter jelly time!
hifienvelope
Very interested in this module!
7C
just found this.
wow. woooowwwww grin

sandrine, will you make them one by one (when an order drops in) or in a big batch til they´re sold out? just need to know in order to plan this
andrewradtke
myecholalia wrote:
just added this to modulargrid so that i can throw it into my planned rack.
amazing work. congrats!


Dang. I saw this module on modulargrid and my jaw dropped. This thing is freaking amazing!
Sandrine
7C We'll just keep making them until we run out of parts. If by mid April it looks like we'll be needing more boards/panels/parts we'll order more. We already have quite an excess of most parts already so there won't be a big wait time, just the initial wait times are killing us!

Thanks guys!
7C
nice!
ok this means if i wont make it before summer it shouldn´t be a big problem, correct? just want to avoid to wait even longer then. it´s a just in case scenario anyway...

for me it will be a problem though as long as i dont have it cause i have to watch others play with this ace module and enjoy themselves while i can´t!

seems like the perfect marriage of sampleslicer and phonogene, best of both worlds and in the end probably even better!!

screaming goo yo
Sandrine
Haha, yes that's my life too! I want want want, but can't have have have!
As a concern about the complexity of the manual, my partner doesn't know the Reflex very well, so I'm going to explain the main functions to her and have her write up the "simple" guide from her perspective. I think it's a good idea.
howaard
been hoping for such a marvel..is there any way to buy this right now?
Rockin' Banana! screaming goo yo
Amer1231
This is amazing, I want to change my initial vote plz applause applause

Sandrine, i am sorry if this was asked before but are you planning on selling kits of pcbs and panels for us people with less money than the rest of the gang?
I just want to have it so bad!
Eitherwa, I will be getting my hands on one sooner or later.

Again great job smile
Sandrine
howaard wrote:
been hoping for such a marvel..is there any way to buy this right now?
Rockin' Banana! screaming goo yo


In a word, no. ..unless you own DHL, Fedex, and AliExpress (which ain't so "express")

Amer1231 wrote:
This is amazing, I want to change my initial vote plz applause applause

Sandrine, i am sorry if this was asked before but are you planning on selling kits of pcbs and panels for us people with less money than the rest of the gang?
I just want to have it so bad!
Eitherwa, I will be getting my hands on one sooner or later.

Again great job smile

Change your vote?!! Wouldn't that be like big coal companies funding politicians? hihi
As far as kit, it's going to be partial (as mentioned before) as there's lots of tiny parts that really need a reflow station. But the panel board, yep
davide3737
Hi Sandrine. Amazing work. Just double checking about saving. Presumably anything stored in memory disappears as soon as you power off.
Sandrine
davide3737 wrote:
Hi Sandrine. Amazing work. Just double checking about saving. Presumably anything stored in memory disappears as soon as you power off.

I don't know if I mentioned it but there's a data bus on the digital board on a 30 pin box header for expansion. I have been thinking about an on-board solution (large flash rom) that just plugs in. Also it allows for expansion for an SD card/usb drive "sliver" of a module, with a few other features of course, and there's a bit of audio on those lines as well as a comm interface for MIDI and proprietary transfer with future SDS Digital modules.
So, it's not a dead concept for sure. I'm just concentrating my efforts toward the actual functions of the module for now.
Amer1231
Sandrine wrote:
howaard wrote:
been hoping for such a marvel..is there any way to buy this right now?
Rockin' Banana! screaming goo yo


In a word, no. ..unless you own DHL, Fedex, and AliExpress (which ain't so "express")

Amer1231 wrote:
This is amazing, I want to change my initial vote plz applause applause

Sandrine, i am sorry if this was asked before but are you planning on selling kits of pcbs and panels for us people with less money than the rest of the gang?
I just want to have it so bad!
Eitherwa, I will be getting my hands on one sooner or later.

Again great job smile

Change your vote?!! Wouldn't that be like big coal companies funding politicians? hihi
As far as kit, it's going to be partial (as mentioned before) as there's lots of tiny parts that really need a reflow station. But the panel board, yep


im interested in a kit in whatever version possible! screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
HeWhoWantsJeans
Amer1231 wrote:

im interested in a kit in whatever version possible! screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo

Likewise - and I keep re-opening this thread just so I keep getting alerts from Muffs so I don't miss out on the first batch. Rockin' Banana!
Sandrine
The first boards have arrived! Aaaaaahh...(Angels singing in the background!)

The Big Ear
Sandrine wrote:
The first boards have arrived! Aaaaaahh...(Angels singing in the background!)



Cool!
I'm ready to place my order!
Cheers,
mwvm
So what are the options going to be?

SMD ready pcbs?

Full DIY kits?

Full builds?
Amer1231
mwvm wrote:
So what are the options going to be?

SMD ready pcbs?

Full DIY kits?

Full builds?


seems like its going to be smd ready pcbs and full builds!
latigid on
It would be really cool to have a stacked/concentric potentiometer for fine adjustments. I know they're a bit weird and finicky but worth it I think.

Bit late for this board run wink
Robscorch
Congratulations Sandrine what an amazing module.

guestt
Also just stumbled over this too - looks and sounds great thumbs up

Will follow with enthusiasm, good luck with your production and launch!
glennfin
Incredible.. great job! cool cool cool
Sandrine
latigid on wrote:
It would be really cool to have a stacked/concentric potentiometer for fine adjustments. I know they're a bit weird and finicky but worth it I think.

Bit late for this board run wink

No doubt smile
There is a fine tune I'm playing with, but you have to hold down the play select first. Not sure if I'll leave it or take it back out...

Robscorch wrote:
Congratulations Sandrine what an amazing module.

OMG! That's one chubby lol! I know, but hey you only live once right?

Baddcr wrote:
Also just stumbled over this too - looks and sounds great thumbs up

Will follow with enthusiasm, good luck with your production and launch!

Thanks Baddcr, a lot of it *is* luck

glennfin wrote:
Incredible.. great job! cool cool cool

We aim to please

So I swung by the Muff to post another video (sort of by PM request and confusion with me pushing lots of buttons!)
It simply shows how to "tighten" the echo/delay.

The Reflex wasn't really designed for this type of thing, but seems to come through ok

@SDS Waiting for parts as usual wink

Funky40
Sandrine wrote:

2 manuals: Quick Start, and full manual, I promise! I've written 30+ manuals before so...simple!

great !

Sandrine wrote:

so I'm going to explain the main functions to her .........
I think it's a good idea.

good idea.


Thank You !


Sandrine, one last thing:
you are aware of that you will sell a shitload of those reflex loopers just instantly ?
probably better think in biiiiiiiig batches. wink
they sell these days 200 modules in no time. even batches of 500.
you´re probably not aware of the ongoing of todays euro-Scene. So i thought i mention it.
HeWhoWantsJeans
I made this mistake of showing this to my fiance.

Now it looks like we need two. nanners
Sandrine
Hey that's cool! You're both into it, wow!

Funky40, well the order's already been made. Should keep us busy for a while, but you may be right. The main boards are being assembled, but we're doing the panel boards by hand, so that may become the bottle neck instead of waiting for parts.
I just hope everyone is patient Russian Roulette
Sandrine
OK, Here's an attempt of a Quick Guide pdf from my head, not Genas. Still waiting for that eek!


http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/0-reflexQuickStart.pdf


I particularly like the Mode interaction sheet at the end, which pretty logically sums everything up (except the "hidden feature creeps") in an easy to understand layout.
What do you guys think? help
Matos
I like the layout. It's a bit hard to understand the flow without a module in front of me. But the tone is concise and the flow logical. For a QuickStart I love to see a panel overview with clear labels as to the buttons and their use. Many are visual learners, so having an image to illuminate the text is helpful.
Sandrine
Matos wrote:
I like the layout. It's a bit hard to understand the flow without a module in front of me. But the tone is concise and the flow logical. For a QuickStart I love to see a panel overview with clear labels as to the buttons and their use. Many are visual learners, so having an image to illuminate the text is helpful.


Hey Matos, thanks! I have this in the "big" user manual


-edit just updated, I'm sure this is what you had in mind?
Matos
Yep. That's the goods!
Sandrine
Just Updated it, so it's current.
Sandrine
There Quick Guide has been updated as per Matos suggestion!

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/0-reflexQuickStart.pdf
Matos
Purrfect! Meow! Now I can pine for one even more.
Funky40
awesome
much thanks !
loydb
Also just found, will buy immediately.
glennfin
One thing that's not clear to me, I see there's a reverse function, but can you overdub on top of a loop while it's playing in reverse?, then reverse the loop and do the same thing again?
Sandrine
glennfin wrote:
One thing that's not clear to me, I see there's a reverse function, but can you overdub on top of a loop while it's playing in reverse?, then reverse the loop and do the same thing again?


If you're in playFX only and have it playing in reverse (start knob > end knob) you can record what is being played but it's not recording over the playFX loop itself.
If you're in Echo mode, say, and you were in infinite echo from which the playFX was grabbed, when you tap record, that playFX in reverse is recorded into new memory, along with whatever audio is coming in at the time.
The record loop size will be that of the echo that was playing.
When you switch off record back to infinite echo, and exit playFX, that recording will be playing. If you start a new playFX from that infinite echo loop, then the reverse playFX setting will cause it to play forward again.

Record/Play from the record button can be stopped then re-started from the beginning while playFX is still looping the original sample, but eventually can record over the original sample space from which the playFX loop was obtained as there's no limits set (for flexibility)
This can do some weird things, especially if the sample rate of playFX is up or down from the record sample rate!

Maybe I'll do a little video on that thumbs up
glennfin
Hmmmmm.... still not understanding.. I was hoping to have functions similar to the Echoplex, overdubbing on top of a running loop, overdub on top of a reverse running loop, etc, etc... I'll wait for the video. thumbs up
flashheart
Sounds to me that you can do that.
Matos
Yes you can. It's in one of the videos. This can do everything it seems.
Sandrine
It's in this video I just made. hyper



The reason I am holding the playFX button it so it resets right away for a new "capture" of an Echo range.
I used echo because the sample size remains the same (set by the 1st to 2nd tap time) and it can record or just loop in play (infinite echo).
Play FX captures this size and uses it as it's limits.
batchas
applause applause applause
Sandrine
Layer Mode has been re-designed!

I was using the Layer Mode yesterday and found it completely annoying as it was a couple of weeks ago (thought it might have been "me" then ) so I decided to re-design the whole mode from scratch, a sort of hybrid of the old Sampler method and the last for the Reflex.

Surprisingly it went together fairly easily compared to the 5 days it took before. Maybe that's the secret to knowing if something is intuitive? The programming is intuitive as well?

Anyway, here's how Layer Mode works now.
Tapping on the Record button *or* footswitch:
Tap 1 - Starts recording
Tap 2 - Sets Primary Layer loop Size, and switches to play - unless there's another tap within 1 second, which will switch to Recording a new Layer right away.
Tap 3+ - Single taps switch to Play Loop, Double Taps start a New layer recording.

The tap/taps can be between Loop points, or right at the Loop Time, so no screw ups!

Layers can still be "grown" (4 beats to 8/12/16, or 8 to 16, etc) by leaving it Record over a Layer point before tapping for a new layer or just play, or just waiting for the point you want to Record another layer.

Also, there's a Layer "Peel" ( three taps within 2 seconds) to go back to previous layers and layer sizes right to the first!

If I have time tonight I'll make a video on Layer (I know there's none) so until then here's an mp3 of testing Layer.


http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/Layer-NewNew2.mp3
Put down the guitar, double tapped the pedal and ran over to the V-Drums before the next layer began, onlyto find no throne, so stood and played!

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/Layer-NewNew3.mp3
...lots of layers don't know how many. Don't try to figure out the words hihi

Today I also came to the realization the parts I have been waiting for to get this available have been held up be Easter until at least very frustrating Tuesday!
meatbeatz
getting better by the day! I love the thought you have put into this Sandrine and it's been great following the development of this module. we're not worthy
Sandrine
Thankyou Meat meister!


As promised, here's a short video on Layer Mode Version 2. I plan to do another one when I get time (Part deux)
After using it all morning, I find it is way easier and you don't really have to think much smile



Matos
Really clever! The removal of loops looks incredibly useful.
Robscorch
Damn this just bumped about everything else from my want list currently.
hifienvelope
Pardon me if you've answered this previously in the thread, Sandrine, but is there a firm release date for the Reflex Liveloop?

Thank you!
Matos
Considering that the firmware is being polished and she's waiting for parts, I would venture a guess at nope. But sometime soon.
glennfin
Excellent!! cool cool
Sandrine
Great! By popular demand, I've decided to keep the Slice modification feature.
It's where you can select a slice and use PlayFX to modify it (as usual) but save it so the slice plays as heard in PlayFX from then on.
It's a bit "out of sync" for my likings, but definitely can do some cool stuff!

Also there's use of clock sync in this video
Enjoy!



I forgot to show the clock on loop output! It's pretty useful for triggering an envelope back into the EQ CV, which gives the slices a whole differnt personality. Oh well, next time d'oh!


BTW: Still waiting for some parts, seems the 4 day long weekend really put the screws to everything... as expected.
Sandrine
Kinda missed that one! Guess it's SuperBooth17 for the Reflex LiveLoop! hyper It's peanut butter jelly time! hyper
Sandrine
More Delays. The panels won't be shipped until April 6th as there's some sort of 4 day holiday in Thailand. I thought they would have arrived by now.
Here they are as of now, less any artwork!



I guess this was to be expected. Lead Time != Real Time
mckenic
Ooh er!!!

I see my panel there! thumbs up
Sandrine
Yes, it's a bit hidden by those two in front, but yep that one's yours!
HeWhoWantsJeans
YES. I keep checking this thread multiple times a day to see when the pricing and release information comes up.

I can't miss this.
Matos
Me too. What's this reserved list you mentioned in the super booth thread? Am I not down with the cool kids?
HeWhoWantsJeans
Matos wrote:
Me too. What's this reserved list you mentioned in the super booth thread? Am I not down with the cool kids?

Holy shit - if there is a Reserved List I will give blood and / or money to get on it.
Opnotic
lol.. listening through this thread I kept thinking I'd post something like 'Hooollleyy SHiit'. -Of course when I get to the end, the last post starts with 'Holy Shit'

Please offer some way to take my money! I'll give it to you on a promise, gladly.
moofi
Lüüüüking föööörwaaaaaard w00t

No worry about the waiting, haven´t got any ready-funds yet anyway lol
Sandrine
Matos wrote:
Me too. What's this reserved list you mentioned in the super booth thread? Am I not down with the cool kids?


I was trying to sound all formal-like but now you've ruined it!
I only assumed you knew Matos, you're right at the top of the list w00t
Matos
Dang. I ruin everything. But that box of panels looks fantastic. It must feel great to see this all coming together after all that hard work. Take your time.
edwinm
I've got a new credit card waiting just for you Sandrine! confused

If I'm not on the guest list can I be?

Please? smile

(Pretty please?)
Sandrine
Haha! Right on! I thought you were on "the list" but you're not. Weird.
See what you guys have done now!

As I've mentioned in the PM's I am going to contact everyone who has shown an interest, an then it's first pay, first Reflex's.

I just popped in to mention, in the programming refinement today, I realized I could switch PlayFX input to gate (it was in Gmove granuals at the time) then change the duty cycle on the gate to nearly 100%.
It would sample a whole section of echo(delay) into playFX at each gate with newly recorded samples.
This means the echo I had in sync is updating the PlayFX on every gate. Then I put it in reverse and shifted the rate up some with an LFO on ramp, which would go to playFX only as the max sample rate in echo was topped out.
What a riot on the drums!

This only works in Gmove as Gmove doesn't use the Loop LED off to end/exit, but I think I'll enable it for all PlayFX modes.
PlayFX used with a gate input (Gate selected) just plays for the time the Gate is high.
So it'll be...
Gate+Loop off=Reload PlayFX with new sample each time (while recording like in echo, or while playing starting at the point of play)
If the Loop LED is on, then PlayFX will keep playing the same sample until it's reset (by holding the button)

I think this makes sense..?

Update: No parts from Mouser today

very frustrating Dead Banana d'oh!
jdev
Nice feature set! I'm interested. hyper
antf4rm
Looks like you are getting close. Congrats.

Def interested in a kit.
GryphonP3
MY ASS IS BLEEDING we're not worthy definitely in for a set. Let me know when to pay!
Sandrine
Thankyou fellow Wigglers! Site's Up
Matos
Black screen on iPad.
Sandrine
I don't have ipad, doesn't ipad run flash?
-edit-
Looks like flash isn't included. That's really not good. Guess I'll have to redesign the whole site very frustrating
Does ipad support standard html? I'm a complete apple idiot
Matos
No flash. Flash is cooties! I'll look from a home computer later. But congrats on the site!
MatrixModulator
Flash doesnt work on almost all smartphones and tablets. You can setup a wordpress responsive theme easy theses days.
Sandrine
Thanks! I'll look into it. We are in a remote location so haven't much service for such things. They just don't work here on this island.

That must sound bizarre to some people I'd imagine!
geecen
Site's looking great! You're definitely due a well earned Guinness ftw!
Sandrine
Thanks Geecen. I did up an HTML version at the entry so iphone/ipad users can view it. It's not pretty but it should work ok with just basic html. I don't have time to learn wordpress so that'll be it for a while!
sizzler
just in case I'm not on the list - put me on please!
Sandrine
Cool, OK!
Anyone that even shows a slight interest hihi will get a PM eventually.

Damn the delivery system on this planet anyway! Shouldn't we have transporter technology by now? It's probably a conspiracy between FedEx, UPS, DHL, and all the postal companies to block any new tech that may develop into transporters in every home!

Sorry, just had to blow off some steam. On the bright side, programming refinements abound.
GryphonP3
Expressing my not so slight interest nanners
mckenic
Im sure its been asked before - will this be an ongoing thing or a batch thing & if it is will it be in any EU dealers? Cant afford anything ATM and the 25% import duty would kill me...

I accidentally a Gotharman Little DeFormer so not sure how much duplication there would be and would like to see in-the-wild demos.

thumbs up
Sandrine
mckenic wrote:
Im sure its been asked before - will this be an ongoing thing or a batch thing & if it is will it be in any EU dealers? Cant afford anything ATM and the 25% import duty would kill me...

I accidentally a Gotharman Little DeFormer so not sure how much duplication there would be and would like to see in-the-wild demos.

thumbs up


25% of what? Declared value? A Gift? I thought Ireland was milk & honey where taxes are involved...or do they nab you at payPal?

I couldn't tell you about duplication there as not familiar with Gotherman, but on first glance, I'd say it's less of a "Live Loop" and more of a record then play, a sort of work station where samples are tailored and various effects added post record.
mckenic
Sandrine wrote:
mckenic wrote:
Im sure its been asked before - will this be an ongoing thing or a batch thing & if it is will it be in any EU dealers? Cant afford anything ATM and the 25% import duty would kill me...

I accidentally a Gotharman Little DeFormer so not sure how much duplication there would be and would like to see in-the-wild demos.

thumbs up


25% of what? Declared value? A Gift? I thought Ireland was milk & honey where taxes are involved...or do they nab you at payPal?

I couldn't tell you about duplication there as not familiar with Gotherman, but on first glance, I'd say it's less of a "Live Loop" and more of a record then play, a sort of work station where samples are tailored and various effects added post record.


Hey Sandrine,

Sorry for being so OT - yep 25% import duty on the cost of the item plus postage if the total declared value (marked as gift or not, it doesn't matter) is over $120us. PLUS value added tax, plus handling fee.

So if (for example) your module is $400us +$25 shipping and is declared as such (like for postal insurance should anything go wrong) Irish customs treat $=€ the postman HAS TO collect €106 ish at my door - or I don't get my stuff and I'm charged for sending it back to you. I don't know how many times the postie has been so apologetic, he knows it kinda sucks but nothing he can do about it if there is a big yellow customs sticker saying 'Collect this amount'.

The full cost of the module to me is €531 ish. I don't mind paying whatever the manufacturer deems, they are the artist, they take all the risk and do all the work. My government gets €106 for 'allowing' me to bring your hard work into the country! Fucking assholes!

As for the LdF - I think that can be used to build stuff around where as the Reflex LiveLooper can be used to capture and manipulate moments. If that makes sense? It does in my flu-addled brain! thumbs up
Sandrine
That is so brutal! I thought our system sucked here OMG! That'd make it worth the trip somewhere else just to pick up parcels. We've done that ourselves actually. We were really close to the US border, so we'd get it sent to a friend then across the border to go pick it up.

Well if you did order one, I'd certainly mark it as low a value as possible.
Hey and get well!
hifienvelope
Please consider my interest more than slight, Sandrine!!
mckenic
Thanks Sandrine!

I certainly hope to be sending you a PM for one sooner rather than later thumbs up
Sandrine
hifienvelope wrote:
Please consider my interest more than slight, Sandrine!!

Going as fast as I can It's peanut butter jelly time! +Bouncing tonight!
Here's a sample of going up into layers, making slices, then coming back down.

Layer-Slice-Seq-EQ

I Layered up to around 10 layers with the footswitch, then fell back a few layers, added some drumming on the guitar, tapped in some slices, then went all the way back to the first layer. That's where the recording starts.
I have a gate from a sequencer really going fast controlling all 3 bands on the EQ.
Then I plug in the same gate into the slice play input, and the sequencer (8steps) into the slice select input.
From then on it's just using the slice select knob to choose slice offsets which shift the sequence CV up or down to a whole new set of slices.
I switch to Record the slice sequence and unplug the sequencer to play it. That's where the envelope shifts due to me missing the beat.
At about 3:30 I record a new layer along with my voice, end the slice sequencer. Notice how the EQ also modulates my voice, then how low the slices are. I had the feedback down a ways.
New slices are created after 4:00, then sequenced the same way.

I freaking love the sync'ed envelope on the EQ, it totally makes this work!
T. Jervell
applause we're not worthy
Droool.....
I...need....this...sooooo bad!!!
Sandrine
Ahhh! The feature creep got me again! Well an addition to an existing feature.
The "AUto Slicer" will create slices in the background during actions on the Reflex panel. These slices can be selected after some recording and playing in sequence.
In Echo Mode this was useful for recovering and echo from way back and re-echoing it. But it'd only create a slice if you switched to infinite echo, or back to regular echo.
Now auto-slices are created at every echo time! If you want to create slices, these are erased as soon as a "real" slice is made, but if you play the auto-slices at all, they become valid. This way no accidental erasure, and extra slices created will just append the auto-slices.

This is especially useful for recalling echos. In the mp3 sample http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/SlicesSelfTriggedRandom.mp3 I recorded some piano into echo with the feedback down some and just built on it with each "echo". Sorry about the noisy piano, it has a pretty low level output, need to look at that one day.

Then I switched REC trigger to clock, which will also output a clock on any slice or playFX loop, and patched that back into slice play. This way, the slices each play (at 1 echo length) and trigger the next. The Slice CV input was connected to a VCO @ 1KHz for seemingly random slice selection. Just another cool thing that can be done with the Reflex.

Switching into PlayFX Start-End setup full size but reversed added a nice touch to the piece!

Oh!! And also I've added a Record "ARM" for peak slicing. If you turn on the peak slicer before starting Record, tapping Record will arm the sampler, but not start recording until there's a sound.
This is great for Drums for sure. I haven't tried it with anything else yet.

See what happens when I'm sitting around waiting for parts?!

Update:
Looks like the ferry broke down yesterday, so that's why nothing showed up. Maybe if I go do a rain dance for parts they'll show up today!
pathein
nice add on for the record arm!

Its pretty exciting to see new features added in when waiting for the parts to come in, that probably made the delay bearable as well nanners
Sandrine
Thanks Pathein! I've used it a few times with "real" tests and noticed, it can be just used to start a record for any mode, you don't *have* to use the slices haha! d'oh!

Slowly getting the site updated REFLEX
Matos
Simple site is real informative. Nice!
batchas
Sandrine wrote:
Oh!! And also I've added a Record "ARM" for peak slicing. If you turn on the peak slicer before starting Record, tapping Record will arm the sampler, but not start recording until there's a sound.
This is great for Drums for sure. I haven't tried it with anything else yet

w00t
pathein
that will be useful for sure, to have that in any mode!

may I know for the footswitch control of record and play, will the Roland fs-6 dual footswitch work with it and if record arm is selected, with the footswitch connected, will it work in a priority manner depending on which signal is detected first, either sound signal in or footswitch activated?

Sandrine wrote:
it can be just used to start a record for any mode, you don't *have* to use the slices haha! d'oh!

Slowly getting the site updated REFLEX
Sandrine
pathein wrote:
that will be useful for sure, to have that in any mode!

may I know for the footswitch control of record and play, will the Roland fs-6 dual footswitch work with it and if record arm is selected, with the footswitch connected, will it work in a priority manner depending on which signal is detected first, either sound signal in or footswitch activated?

Sandrine wrote:
it can be just used to start a record for any mode, you don't *have* to use the slices haha! d'oh!

Slowly getting the site updated REFLEX


Yes it'll work fine, but you must set them for momentary of course.

Yes also to the Record Arm. So you'd set to Peak Mode, then it'll just sit there until armed by the footSwitch. After which, the footswitch can be used as normal to set echo/delay length, add layers, append Samples, depending on what Mode you're in.

For peak mode Arm the footswitch will work, but for Clock sync Arm it will not because the clock input needs to be on on the same Jack.
Sandrine
Oh, I forgot to answer the priority question!

Once the Peak+Record is armed, it needs audio to start.
I could make it so if the footswitch is held (like an all stop) if the Peak is on, then it resets so a normal start .
or-
I could make it so if the record button/footswitch is tapped a second time, the Peak Arm is bypassed and recording starts immediately.

I like the former better. What do you think?
av500
Hi, maybe I missed it, but did you mention what CPU is used inside the module?
Sandrine
This user interface is an Atmega2560 and the Core is a PIC, which also gets firmware updated when the Atmega does (yay!)
av500
Sandrine wrote:
This user interface is an Atmega2560 and the Core is a PIC, which also gets firmware updated when the Atmega does (yay!)


and driving a DRAM with IO pins like in a certain previous projects of yours?
Sandrine
You bet! I was thinking on designing controllers ( boards) to expand lesser systems like Arduino into the large storage capacity world. Just thinking about it at this stage. I have figured out how. ( If only it was that simple!)

I figure and SPI bus control & data I/O, a parallel I/O and sync lines, and even a USART I/O should match just about anything a person would want, sampling or otherwise.
Perhaps have it mimic an NVRAM or EEPROM...

It seems that large simple temporary storage is a real issue for so many projects.
Anyway, it'd be on a little board that could fit standard Arduino footprints, or just a little board with a header connection.
pathein
Sandrine wrote:
Oh, I forgot to answer the priority question!

Once the Peak+Record is armed, it needs audio to start.
I could make it so if the footswitch is held (like an all stop) if the Peak is on, then it resets so a normal start .
or-
I could make it so if the record button/footswitch is tapped a second time, the Peak Arm is bypassed and recording starts immediately.

I like the former better. What do you think?


ah yeah, first one sounds fine and easier than double tapping on the footswitch

Oh yeah, pardon me, not sure if i missed out on relevant info as iam wrapping my head round the many features from the module.
I like to to ask regarding the layering sound on sound mode, is there a feedback control whereby user can set the layered sound all repeating indefinitely or having the earlier looped sound to fade off gradually when more layers are added?

I remember liking the feedback function on a reissued EH 16 sec delay/looper, will be great to have that in reflex(my bad, if its already one of the function within reflex oops )
toneburst
I'm really interested in this, but think I may have missed the boat.
Is there a waitlist, or somewhere I can pre-order?

a|x
toneburst
Actually, I'm only interested in the DIY kit, so I guess I'll have to wait a while longer for that.

a|x
Sandrine
pathein wrote:

ah yeah, first one sounds fine and easier than double tapping on the footswitch

Oh yeah, pardon me, not sure if i missed out on relevant info as iam wrapping my head round the many features from the module.
I like to to ask regarding the layering sound on sound mode, is there a feedback control whereby user can set the layered sound all repeating indefinitely or having the earlier looped sound to fade off gradually when more layers are added?

I remember liking the feedback function on a reissued EH 16 sec delay/looper, will be great to have that in reflex(my bad, if its already one of the function within reflex oops )


Yeah ok I agree, thanks!
Yes, lowering the feedback control allows fading of previous layers each time a new one is created. Also the EQ can be used to fade a specific band, which is useful for reducing low end "pile-ups" as they tend to.

toneburst wrote:
Actually, I'm only interested in the DIY kit, so I guess I'll have to wait a while longer for that.
a|x


Right, we want the next run with the 240+ parts already mounted on the mother board and digital board, but we do the panel board (pots, switches, led's, led driver, and a handful of smd resistors) so that'd be the DIY part to start.
On the run after that, we had thought of just mounting the fine pitch parts ourselves, reducing assembly costs, then making the rest DIY, but some of the parts are quite expensive individually so it'll probably still have to be a kit to make it feasable.
Sandrine
pathein wrote:


ah yeah, first one sounds fine and easier than double tapping on the footswitch


Done!

As with all "holds", the Peak is reset on hold, and nothing happens until Record is tapped, which in this case will be usual echo/delay start record, and the next will set the size of the echo.

This works nicely in layer mode, sync's a pretty accurate start.
pathein
great work, cant wait for the release of the module thumbs up
Sandrine
Here's a demo of Reflex setup as a Karplus Strong 'verb. It wasn't designed to do this, but seems to be able to anyway!
This would be better for drones and the like, but you get a good idea.
I particularly like the ability to FM modulate with virtually no latency.

Tighter 'verbs can be realized using a trigger on the record input. Holding the record button resets and then the first 2 triggers set the delay time.

Another cool thing (not in video) is that whatever you're doing, the Blend control can act as a pass through to your mixer/amp while using the feedback output for monitoring with headphones, like DJ cueing technique. Then a crossfade over brings you work out of the output and fades the original.



Update:
A wack of parts came in today!! 99% of the parts required for the mother boards, but still no pots yet.
Panels in transit!
mckenic
Excuse my language - Jesus F-in Christ!
That ROCKS!

we're not worthy
khiner
Fantastic work here! Great to see this coming together, I daresay this looks like the most capable sample processor on the euro market right now.
T. Jervell
Sandrine wrote:
Here's a demo of Reflex setup as a Karplus Strong 'verb. It wasn't designed to do this, but seems to be able to anyway!
This would be better for drones and the like, but you get a good idea.
I particularly like the ability to FM modulate with virtually no latency.

Tighter 'verbs can be realized using a trigger on the record input. Holding the record button resets and then the first 2 triggers set the delay

Wohaaa This is soooo good news! That sounds wonderful.

Btw Mckenic, as Sandrine mentioned there are ways to "dodge" customs.
I live in Norway and have good experience with modules marked as gifts with "synth parts" in the description. Oh and of course the value is set low.
w00t
loydb
I'm not sure if I've explicitly said "sell me one", so if I haven't, dammit, sell me one smile
Sandrine
loydb wrote:
I'm not sure if I've explicitly said "sell me one", so if I haven't, dammit, sell me one smile

Oh alrighty then! Eeek! We're going to be out of Reflex's before they're put together. Wow!

Today dealing with shipping tariffs, customs, DHL...
Yes we must all work together to thwart the evil customs gods, but they're getting smarter. We recently bought a motorbike online, and had them send it as gift, but customs didn't bite and we had to pay through the nose. Next time we'll have it shipped as $100 value... hihi
Boogieboarder
Sandy,

Please mark me down for one! Module of my dreams! smile
Sandrine
Boogieboarder wrote:
Sandy,

Please mark me down for one! Module of my dreams! smile


Wow! That was your first post, I'm honored! OK will do, thank you!
Sandrine
I just noticed I've never uploaded the final panel design to MW!
The panels themselves are now in Cincinnati, like that's on the way here, right!

T. Jervell
Sandrine wrote:
I just noticed I've never uploaded the final panel design to MW!
The panels themselves are now in Cincinnati, like that's on the way here, right!



Are they there yet!?! hihi
Haha, just kidding. The panel looks great Sandrine thumbs up
Really looking forward for this screaming goo yo
loydb
Can this be operated with a footswitch btw?
Sandrine
Thanks! They said by Tuesday, but I have my doubts.
Main difference is the REC GATE is now CLK Input/output

On that same jack, Yes loydb, switching that input to FSW sets it for foot switch input. The PLAY FX input is also foot switch controllable (FSW under PLAY button) that works the same as the button.

Hit footswitch to apply playFX to the sample playing/recording, hit for consecutive repeats of the same playFX, and hold>1 second to reset to start from a new area of the sample.

I *love* this for instant granulizing while continuously recording! If playFX G-Move is set to just freeze on one area, as soon as you hit and hold the footswitch, it freezes whatever audio is going into the Reflex until you let go of the footswitch.
This is also a riot when used with playFX start/end set to reverse. It'll instantly reverse the audio coming in hehe! nanners

Oh No! I feel a video coming on...
Sandrine
Had enough parts to get mother Boards and digital boards underway. This one is pretty much done except the box headers which (hopefully) will show up tomorrow! Still waiting for panel parts though.

Taking rest of day off, cheers!

mckenic
Oh!

I dont know why - but I wasnt expecting it to be that shallow! Oh er!
Straight into the portable case it is then hihi Now - what to take out!?!?
Sandrine
Yes McKenic, but don't forget there's the panel board and accoutrements under this. With the expansion header It'll be up about 4.4cm total. 3.6 cm less the expansion header (which could be wired on if there is any expansion modules)

So I've done a video on G-Move (Grains/Granulizer), as there's not much on it in any of the previous videos. It's not what I'm working on now tho, that'd be the clock/rate shifting, which I'll demo shortly and is pretty cool. Wew! Vids are piling up!

YouTube:
"G-Move is a unique part of playFX, and is different in that it is time based, not sample rate based, so it can do pitch shifting without changing the cadence of the sample playing.
Audio properties in an analog linear fashion demand some grain-matching to reduce pops and clicks, contrary to digital access (encoders, up/down buttons) which picks a good spot in the waveform and assigns it to the grain size...not good in the modular world! Well, here it is!"

T. Jervell
My oh my!!! This really is THE sampler I've been waiting for nanners
Granular mode sound AWESOME Sandrine applause
I must say this is the first time I've seen so many informative and cool demo videos of a module! Pretty unique in a very very very good way thumbs up
Keep up the good work, and thank you for all the great demos w00t
GryphonP3
God DAMN!! This thing is amazing!!! Gotta learn to SMD just so I can build this thing we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy
HipDestroyer
Sandy, you really thought of everything in this design. Amazing work.
Sandrine
OMG hand building the whole thing is not easy, and I have 25 years of work experience with SMDs. It took me 10 hours to do the main board & digital board, plus another 2 hours to do the panel board.

I must admit most of that time was searching for where to put the parts (resistors mostly) but non-hand solder 603 pads are no fun. Then there's the 201 caps, which is another story.

The panel is all 1206 SMD though so much easier.

Update:
First "Real" Reflex LiveLoop is operational!!
The noise figures are lower than expected (relief!), and, even though all the parts aren't on the panel (because they're STILL not here yet!) I was able to discover that the only thing that's more fun than a Reflex is 2 Reflexes in tandem! F**^*g funnn! screaming goo yo screaming goo yo

Anyway, here's some pics

I used one of the 2 "defective" panels. I bet you can't see it! (It's a break in the outer line at about 10 o'clock from the EQ knob)

No Start/End PlayFX pots, but the CV's work just fine!

Programming cables still attached

Got the box headers today so will put those on all the boards
skookum
Fantastic! applause
Matos
Are you hand building this as a test, or all of them this way? You might have a hit on your hands and might want to reach out to William from end or josh from darkspace to get these pick and placed.
Sandrine
Matos wrote:
Are you hand building this as a test, or all of them this way? You might have a hit on your hands and might want to reach out to William from end or josh from darkspace to get these pick and placed.

Good God No!! I think it'd be more my neck after the way that was this AM hehe.

Oops, hit the Sumbit button. These are just to test and possibly change components etc, but it's so frikken good I don't see that there will be any component changes. There's a whole run just waiting for my OK, and we're pretty close
HeWhoWantsJeans
Awesome. I've been trying to live on cheap food and cut excess Wigglin' Spendin' just to anticipate dropping you the money for this the moment it becomes available. Each demo further solidifies my need to own this thing.
Sandrine
Haha! It's true, everyone I know bitches about this thing costing a hundred dollars or that, but just look at their grocery bill and it seems it's nothing to pop off $400-$500 a month on just eating.
If everyone bought a Reflex by cutting the "eating habit" for a while (Ramen noodles are good) we'd all be thinner and able to wiggle better and I'll have done my good deed haha!

Sadly, the Reflex has had the opposite effect on me. All those outings I skipped has added a few pounds for sure

Update:
Testing complete, design is stable, pnp assembly now underway!
BTW. I used the old style buttons in the photos, but the new ones are brighter and stand a bit higher, so I may post a pic of a Reflex with those and offer the option. Because of the bright colors, to me they look a bit candy-like, but then some peeps like that look!
HeWhoWantsJeans
Sandrine wrote:

Update:
Testing complete, design is stable, pnp assembly now underway!
BTW. I used the old style buttons in the photos, but the new ones are brighter and stand a bit higher, so I may post a pic of a Reflex with those and offer the option. Because of the bright colors, to me they look a bit candy-like, but then some peeps like that look!

Awesome news.

/action nervously checks his PayPal balance
T. Jervell
Sandrine wrote:
BTW. I used the old style buttons in the photos, but the new ones are brighter and stand a bit higher, so I may post a pic of a Reflex with those and offer the option. Because of the bright colors, to me they look a bit candy-like, but then some peeps like that look!

Hey I don't mind! I want candy It's peanut butter jelly time!
Sandrine
Here's the difference between the two types of buttons



It's 2 pictures and don't be alarmed this is one of the defective panels, don't want to dirty up the pristine ones love
Sandrine
Finally got a decent pic, so Announcing the Reflex today!



Features at a glance:
•174 seconds of 16 bit recording @ 48KHz sample rate in Stereo, up to 90 minutes @ 1.5KHz
•Playback +/- 5 octaves
•Delays from milliseconds to minutes, with pristine clarity
•PlayFX Windowing over samples/slices in forward, reverse, granular tracking
•Slicing of samples up to 400 slices manually, by trigger, automatically, or by audio peaks
•Slice modifier and overdubbing, CV controlled selection/triggering
200 note real time Slice Sequencer built in
•Clock sync I/O
•Built in 3 band EQ for tailoring Karplus Strong FX, decays, and delays
•Guitar Looper style mode for controlled Layering/peeling of SOS
•Easy to use single button and hands off foot switch control of sampling
•Firmware Updateable / expandable

Dimensions: width 16HP, height 128.5mm, depth 4.6cm
Price $400
Status: In production, availability by end of April

Thankyou so much to everyone in this thread for your support! You really kept me going all through this!
T. Jervell
Sandrine wrote:
Finally got a decent pic, so Announcing the Reflex today!



Features at a glance:
•174 seconds of 16 bit recording @ 48KHz sample rate in Stereo, up to 90 minutes @ 1.5KHz
•Playback +/- 5 octaves
•Delays from milliseconds to minutes, with pristine clarity
•PlayFX Windowing over samples/slices in forward, reverse, granular tracking
•Slicing of samples up to 400 slices manually, by trigger, automatically, or by audio peaks
•Slice modifier and overdubbing, CV controlled selection/triggering
200 note real time Slice Sequencer built in
•Clock sync I/O
•Built in 3 band EQ for tailoring Karplus Strong FX, decays, and delays
•Guitar Looper style mode for controlled Layering/peeling of SOS
•Easy to use single button and hands off foot switch control of sampling
•Firmware Updateable / expandable

Dimensions: width 16HP, height 128.5mm, depth 4.6cm
Price $400
Status: In production, availability by end of April

Thankyou so much to everyone in this thread for your support! You really kept me going all through this!

Hurrah! applause
That looks and sounds GREAT!!! w00t
Can't wait!!! applause
Oh and congrats w00t
Robscorch
we're not worthy
NS4W
Well done!
sammy123
Congratulations Sandrine!! w00t
Sandrine
Thankyou guys! It seems like a long time coming Om
shreeswifty
when will this be in stores? hope?
mazzyboy
Amazing looking module!
Is there still an expansion in the pipeline? Sd/usb playback would really make this a must buy for me!
Sandrine
The Reflex won't be in stores for a while, assuming they'd be willing seriously, i just don't get it

Yep, that's still in the works (hence the expansion port) as a small 2 or 4 hp add-on with buttons and a small display. that would save/load sample memory and also slices (which is really important I think). It'll likely be a dodgy SD Card, but thumb drive is still a good possibilty (faster)

On that note, a MIDI interface is also being considered which would add more audio capabilities and CV recording perhaps (2 channel DC sampling)
Sandrine
5 face panels together! ...well almost, still waiting for those danged TDA-7219 drivers. I have tons of DIPs but no SOIC's!
Here's a video on PlayFX trigger speed as per specs



The trigger I was using was over a long line and inherently unstable, but it did a good job IMHO
Sandrine
Update:

Looks as though we've had a setback on the hand-built Reflex LiveLoop's.
One of the chip suppliers has turned out to be bogus after a week long dispute episode, so I must order them elsewhere.
That's all that's left before these are out the door, so frustrating!

The others are in the assembly phase, and may be here before the others are complete, so they may become "the famous first's" rather than the actual firsts. Jeez very frustrating
Sandrine
"We're just a'waitin' for that sweet thing to come along.." (in 5 part harmony whistlin' )



Ordered parts from Digikey for really way too much, but I promised, and FedEx! thumbs up
Sandrine
This is one method of using the Clock Sync input feature on the Reflex. The Echo/Delay is synced to start with, then kept in sync when switched to infinite echo.
Any loop can be sync'ed, as long as the input clock and divider setting is taken into consideration (so it'll stay at the expected pitch)
Using a sequenced gate that isn't all on can yield some pretty interesting stepped results

krz
[quote="Sandrine"]This is one method of using the Clock Sync input feature on the Reflex. The Echo/Delay is synced to start with, then kept in sync when switched to infinite echo.
Any loop can be sync'ed, as long as the input clock and divider setting is taken into consideration (so it'll stay at the expected pitch)
Using a sequenced gate that isn't all on can yield some pretty interesting stepped results

[video]http://youtu.be/4TUbzDkpdqo[/video][/quote]

Ingenious! The "wait" function makes it easy peasy! smile
What happens if you change the clock division in live mode?
If you start with higher divisions- will it get you up into even
higher pitches than you show here?
How deep is the module gonna be? Apologies if depth query is redundant.

Onwards and upwards, S.! we're not worthy
Sandrine
Thanks! Yes if you start with divide by 16 to record the sample, then switch down to divide by 1 using the same clock speed will go 16x faster. Any loop that is looping must fit inside that clock period, so yes it can take a 32 second loop and loop it in 1 second for example.

The shortest clock times are over 100/second at of course 1:1 division.
When the jack is switched to be a clock signal and when in PlayFX or Slices the loops send out a clock signal to drive other modules.

One thing that is cool is to record in a sequence (repeating) then half or double the clock div, or the clock itself, then SOS record the same sequence into it and shift the clock back to the original. It plays the same sequence, but 1 octave higher or lower, in sync with the original.

The depth is about 4.6cm with the expansion header on.
krz
[quote="Sandrine"]

One thing that is cool is to record in a sequence (repeating) then half or double the clock div, or the clock itself, then SOS record the same sequence into it and shift the clock back to the original. It plays the same sequence, but 1 octave higher or lower, in sync with the original.

The depth is about 4.6cm with the expansion header on.[/quote]

Great news! My imagination has set sail with some other possibilities with
loops and the "resample" already. Totally onboard and awaiting the christening. Lol. I can see (hear) loops being warped into the beyond
in the near future! It's peanut butter jelly time!
Sandrine
Update:
First run shipping this week (waiting for boxes now jeeeez!) All of you on the first list will be notified!

...speaking of "beyond" krz:

Someone PM'ed me about the echo/Delay integrity over long periods (say 30 second long loops is what I think he meant) and coincidentally I was doing a clocked delay yesterday.

Initially it started with a drum loop sample as mentioned earlier in the thread, then I synced it up with the sequencer trigger and started just adding sound on each loop. (running a mixer into the Reflex)

With the feedback down just a hair after several passes, the original samples would slowly drop in level allowing new sounds to come in.
Over time there seemed to be a background drone of all of the sounds I had previously put in, as they degraded into oblivion, almost an ambient soundscape. Some of it may have been acoustic from a mic that happened to be on the mixer, not sure.

This went on for over an hour! What a great time I had!
Can't wait for others to experience this hyper
Opnotic
Bumping this thread in a hope it gives brownie points to move me closer to the top on the waiting list. The vast majority waiting haven't come up yet on the list to be contacted yet, right Sandrine? (In other words, I didn't miss anything right? smile
Sandrine
Opnotic wrote:
Bumping this thread in a hope it gives brownie points to move me closer to the top on the waiting list. The vast majority waiting haven't come up yet on the list to be contacted yet, right Sandrine? (In other words, I didn't miss anything right? smile


Ha ah! Sure!
There's not too many ahead of you on the 2nd run, so don't worry cool
I have just received the shipping boxes today, a week and a half late from a "local" company. Now I'm certain they're all conspiring against me!
krz
[quote="Sandrine"]

...speaking of "beyond" krz:

Someone PM'ed me about the echo/Delay integrity over long periods (say 30 second long loops is what I think he meant) and coincidentally I was doing a clocked delay yesterday.

With the feedback down just a hair after several passes, the original samples would slowly drop in level allowing new sounds to come in.
Over time there seemed to be a background drone of all of the sounds I had previously put in, as they degraded into oblivion, almost an ambient soundscape. Some of it may have been acoustic from a mic that happened to be on the mixer, not sure.

This went on for over an hour! What a great time I had!
Can't wait for others to experience this hyper[/quote]

Holy zen! we're not worthy

I totally forgot to indicate in the excitement... very frustrating
Can you put me on the waiting list for run two- if they aren't
spoken for already? Purdy please and thanks for everything.
Sandrine
Hi KRZ
There's a few left in the 2nd run (not many!)
Could you send me an email at reflex(at)freshnelly.com with your address and length of power cord you need please, and I'll let you know when they're in
The first bunch are pretty much ready to ship, just updating firmware and testing. **Everyone on first list will be notified this weekend!

It's been a crazy couple of weeks, and looks to be another crazy couple of weeks I'm sure zombie
franman69
Please put me on the list.. I'd be very interested in playing with this. How's the availability shaping up at this point??
Sandrine
franman69 wrote:
Please put me on the list.. I'd be very interested in playing with this. How's the availability shaping up at this point??


Thanks! Busy at work prepping for shipment to orders filled
You can get on the list by emailing me at reflex(at)freshnelly.com, this avoids confusion hmmm.....

If you order right away we'd be to that point in about 2 weeks
Cheers!
Sandrine
Cheers!
To clarify my previous - previous post, anyone on the list that's thinking they missed out, you didn't. We're all ready on this end, just waiting for the assembly guys to finish the "motherboards"

Today, while patching around the Reflex, I discovered some cool new Slice & PlayFX abilities I didn't realize were present. Now I want to make a video, damn!
Did a 5 minute recording of a song and hacked it all up into key slices, fine tuning each, then sequenced the whole thing while stepping the sample rate. Really nice effect!
Sandrine
First PM's are sent!! screaming goo yo

If you didn't get a PM, don't despair! I'll send some more out tomorrow (depending on how many are left of course)
T. Jervell
I know you said don't despair, but somehow I still... sad banana
Anyway good to hear that you've started shipping It's peanut butter jelly time!
Sandrine
Sandrine wrote:
First PM's are sent!! screaming goo yo

If you didn't get a PM, don't despair! I'll send some more out tomorrow (depending on how many are left of course)

There's a time delay thing between us and europe so...
T. Jervell
Sandrine wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
First PM's are sent!! screaming goo yo

If you didn't get a PM, don't despair! I'll send some more out tomorrow (depending on how many are left of course)

There's a time delay thing between us and europe so...


Meaning there's still hope? Dancing Star
The Big Ear
Payement sent... nanners
I should be reflexing in 14 days!
Cheers, ToAd
T. Jervell
The Big Ear wrote:
Payement sent... nanners
I should be reflexing in 14 days!
Cheers, ToAd


Congrats! I guess I'll have to be a little bit more patient...
But I've heard good things come to those who wait thumbs up
Sandrine
T. Jervell wrote:
The Big Ear wrote:
Payement sent... nanners
I should be reflexing in 14 days!
Cheers, ToAd


Congrats! I guess I'll have to be a little bit more patient...
But I've heard good things come to those who wait thumbs up


Thanks ToAd! I hope it's not 14 days!
When it finally does arrive, could you contact me so we can see how long it took, we have a lot of orders out your way.
Matos
Counting down the days. Rearranged my case to find he a good home.
Sandrine
OMG! Maybe a time Sefari?? That piston honda doesn't look very useful (ararar ) hihi
Matos
Ha! It's just filling the gap so squirrels don't nest in my case!
Sandrine
Aw! Cute!

Anyway, here's a video I made up of G-Move "fine" Sizing with a sequencer.
Testing and packing to ship is hard work, can't help but start playing jeeeez!

Sandrine
Did anyone receive their Reflex today?
djll
I'm a big fan of 4ms products, but after testing the DLD at Robotspeak this weekend, I came away distinctly UNDERWHELMED.

Hoping to soon have the opportunity to similarly test the RLL!
shredsickgnar
Holy shit, I finally watched the demos of this. It looks amazing!
Sandrine
shredsickgnar wrote:
Holy shit, I finally watched the demos of this. It looks amazing!

Thanks!
Update:
Happy to announce the user manual is finally done!! Will post link when get back.
skookum
shredsickgnar wrote:
Holy shit, I finally watched the demos of this. It looks amazing!


Isn't it ever! I need my Trudeaubux asap.
Sandrine
Trudeaubux haha!

I posted the link in the other forum, then forgot to post here very frustrating

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf

"1st edition" V.101e
av500
Sandrine wrote:
Trudeaubux haha!

I posted the link in the other forum, then forgot to post here very frustrating

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf

"1st edition" V.101e


Comic Sans? seriously? zombie Dead Banana
mckenic
I can read it!

You shoulda seen the manual when Rene 1st came out (and I LOVE MakeNoise & Rene BTW)...
Sandrine
av500 wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
Trudeaubux haha!

I posted the link in the other forum, then forgot to post here very frustrating

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf

"1st edition" V.101e


Comic Sans? seriously? zombie Dead Banana


Oh, what's wrong with Comic Sans? Better than Times New Roman meh
Robscorch
Sandrine wrote:
av500 wrote:
Sandrine wrote:
Trudeaubux haha!

I posted the link in the other forum, then forgot to post here very frustrating

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf

"1st edition" V.101e


Comic Sans? seriously? zombie Dead Banana


Oh, what's wrong with Comic Sans? Better than Times New Roman meh


Very easy on the eyes actually and much less monotonous and tedious to read.

Got your Email Sandy I will be back with you on Thursday when I can pay you. I saved a bit on next months rent paying in advance since apparently our building needs a new roof. SlayerBadger!
Oh and what are the lengths of your power cables? I won't need over a 10-12 incher, but others might want to know what sizes you have available. Just a thought. And a much appreciated option BTW lately I've been looking into recasing myself though this module will be going in the forever box pretty sure of it. Mr. Green
Sandrine
Hey RobScorch
We are cutting custom lengths, as per request

Also, all of the 2nd run has been shipped with V1.01e so no need to do a firmware update. Barring any major issues, there won't be any updates for a while cool

As I have mentioned before, the Reflex still surprises me from time to time:
During setting the feedback gain limits (I do it manually) while in a very tight echo (5 or 6 mS) to get that Karplus Strong "whistle" I decided to try slicing.
Normally in echo mode, slices will be created at the recording point, and be the length of the echo, which in this case is very short, so the slices would be very short. But turning off the SLice Loop (hold Loop button) will open the loop up so the Karplus sound that happened will play as a slice!
Slices can then have playFX applied to them which yielded some synth-like iterations and phase steps (of various points of the Karplus ring) when slice sequenced.
Pretty cool!
Sandrine
Update:

We're well into the second run and finding a bit more time to do other things ( a bit!)

Here's the first few Patches in the Reflex LiveLoop PatchBook, not even on the site yet!
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-Reflex-Patch.pdf

-edit-
Hi Robscorch, sorry about the email (or lack thereof), seems someone else received it (also?) which is really bizarre as it shows that it was sent to you, yet went elsewhere.
Sandrine
Over recent days it has come to our attention that certain PSU's (2 so far) are causing interference to the RLL's sensitive sampler circuitry and causing unwanted buzzing, glitching, and static when monitored at higher levels.

So I have come up with a couple of simple modifications using SMD and/or through hole parts to reduce/eliminate this issue.
I have created a page with photos describing the modification for anyone so inclined to do it. http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/reflexPSUfix1.htm

If you're happy with the way your RLL is operating, then just skip the mod, some RLL's are less susceptible to this RF interference.

*Note that RLL's shipped on or after the date of this post will already have the mod installed (of course!) so please disregard. If you're unsure of the shipping date, then go to the page and check if those parts are installed.
Sandrine
djll wrote:
I'm a big fan of 4ms products, but after testing the DLD at Robotspeak this weekend, I came away distinctly UNDERWHELMED.

Hoping to soon have the opportunity to similarly test the RLL!


Hmmm.... I somehow missed this post. Would you care to elaborate?
The one thing that I don't like (even though I plan to get one myself) is the lack of sample Rate shift. AFAIK this can't be done on the DLD, only echo time (in tight echo creating Karplus "notes")

The Reflex can do 1V/octave in two ways: Sample Rate shift and Echo/delay time.

Sandrine
Firmware Update V1.01G now ready for download!

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/Reflex-FWUDv1.01g.zip

Thought I'd better post here too as well as Eurorack forum razz

Please read the attached "ReadMe" file for all of the updates and refinements.
Overall Reflex LiveLoop operation parameters haven't changed (except Slice 1-shot play and EQ band takeover) but if you want to change any of the default settings, you'll definitely want to check out the ReadMe file.
And here's the new manual to browse through..
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf
-Remember you may have to refresh your browser to get the new version

As a quick summary:
-PlayFX Fine mode is now CV controllable as Fine controls (intelligently). Fine mode easier to use.
-PlayFX (POS/SZ,ST/END) Knob Scrubbing can be disabled so updates on loop only
-Improved PlayFX response (had a bug with negative voltages)
-Blend CV is logical and resets upon exit
-Spectrum RGB is disabled when LED dimmer set to minimum
-Slice Play displays Slice # when in SLICE SEL mode. This is a great addition!
-Settable coarse or softmute for more "buzzy" FX in tight loops
-Sample Rate Lock option
-One-Shot trigger Slice play with "Karplus Strong" echo defeat
-Slice Groove Sequencer Start Record/next Trigger alignment. Partly helps SGS sync, still evolving. Any input on that??
-I/O AC levels are more balanced (i.e. output same as input level)
-Line Level attenuator option for 'puter card recording

thumbs up Thankyou to everyone that has provided input & feedback, it is much appreciated! thumbs up
Quasi
Update worked like a charm! I've slowly been making my way through the manual but noticed this:

"- USART, audio and data bus Interface for possible Future Expansion:
MIDI controller, Extra audio, CV, SD Card/USB drive, Slicer/sequencer, Splitter, all of the above (Super Looper?)"

a midi controller would be amazing (hell, all of these would be amazing). SUPER LOOPER!!! To that end, what expansions do you see coming next? I ask because I've just severely shrunk my 18u system to a 9u and a, wondering what kind of HP an expansion would take up so I can make the room.

Be well,

Paul
mckenic
I got to say, I hope to pick up one as soon as finances allow - but the ability to load/save thru an expander would be KILLER imho...

Im ashamed to admit it but Ive had the same loop on my Phonogene for over a year... dont want to not have it available but the rational side of me knows its such a shame to do that!

:-(
Quasi
mckenic wrote:
Im ashamed to admit it but Ive had the same loop on my Phonogene for over a year... dont want to not have it available but the rational side of me knows its such a shame to do that! :-(


No shame at all in that and I think it's wonderful that you admitted it. I did the same thing that's why I'm so curious about the expander. Either way, if you even remotely like the PG you will LOVE the RLL. Sandrine has really hit a home run with this module.
Sandrine
Quasi wrote:
Update worked like a charm! I've slowly been making my way through the manual but noticed this:

"- USART, audio and data bus Interface for possible Future Expansion:
MIDI controller, Extra audio, CV, SD Card/USB drive, Slicer/sequencer, Splitter, all of the above (Super Looper?)"

a midi controller would be amazing (hell, all of these would be amazing). SUPER LOOPER!!! To that end, what expansions do you see coming next? I ask because I've just severely shrunk my 18u system to a 9u and a, wondering what kind of HP an expansion would take up so I can make the room.

Be well,

Paul

Hi Paul, happy to see you're into an expansion! The design is underway and has changed 3 times in the past couple of weeks!
The MIDI controller is a definite "yes" as is the SD Card (or USB drive) and the extra audio. 2 channel CV recorder I/O is certainly in and hopefully the Split mode works, I haven't tried it yet seriously, i just don't get it
The proposed HP is 4, so that or maybe 6.

The "Super Looper" is me going off the rails. ..but then you never know! That was to be an expansion on it's own, but the HP is rather large 16 at least. It's not going to be considered for a while as the expansion ReFleXp1 is slated for fall.

The MIDI is going to be really nice:
Note control of slices, note control of pitch, keyboard ranges presets i.e. something like this from the old sampler design which can use black keys to record, adjacent white keys to play


Programmable CC coarse/fine/superfine Rate and windowing controls, MIDI out with MIDI clock, MIDI sync etc the list goes on and on

The MIDI jacks are going to be 3.5mm stereo, so we're looking into those 3.5mm to 5 pin DIN adapters that are getting more common.

SD Card (or USB stick) can load .wav (/.aif) files and assign them to Slices when in the same folder. There will also be an image copy that saves entire memory and slices/settings and a preview scan / load (not LCD) to keep the HP down.

It'll be an interesting fall for sure Dancing Star
Matos
Can't wait for the expander. Amazing fun this module!
Quasi
Can it be Fall already, you're Midi implementation can't come soon enough but I'm excited for all of these to happen.
trax
Just received my reflex. Amazing. Complex. Totally experimental and sometimes unpredictable. Extensive manual to help you navigate as well as youtoob videos. Best way to spend a saturday. thumbs up One of the best / most creative modules I have ever used. Think of it as the best of the Phonogene / 4ms delay and time safari wrapped up into one amazing module!
Quasi
Sandrine, loving the new stutter mode!!! Yes please love
Sandrine
Thankyou for the great reviews everyone! Always happy that you're happy!

On that note..

V1.02a is at http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/reflexFWUD.htm

Adds "Stutter" Mode
Adds easy RateLock toggle (hold MODE button)
Adds "RateLock Clock" for Echo/delay mode
Adds Inverted Footswitch support (For sust, pedals and the like)
Adds PlayFX during 1-Shot Slice Play
Fixed R/P loop mute problem
Fixed EQ polarity mode switch from all bands Blend kill bug (no-one noticed!)
Improved spectrum RGB overbrightness


V.1.02A Manual Update!

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf
Don't forget to "refresh" if you've downloaded manual before or your browser may load the old manual

The two new features are on page 36 & 37 with pictures and everything. Addendum's updated too thumbs up
Sandrine
Here's an interesting patch I'm going to add to the patch manual.
It uses a 16 step sequence offset by a .1Hz LFO that selects the position in the PlayFX loop playing. The Size is controlled by an envelope with a long Release so never gets to 0V.
Rotating the POS knob of course changes my Singing German practice count 1,2,3,4 which is totally unrecognizable anyway as you can hear!
The beat is there to show the triggers, and how it slowly changes (I touch nothing!)

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/PosSizeCVsequenced.mp3
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Sandrine
Taking some time off!

We will be going on summer holidays mid next week, for possibly > 2 weeks (may be here intermittently if the weather goes bad) so won't be here to fill any orders. So if you are planning on ordering a Reflex, now's a really good time! http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/reflex.htm

I'll still have internet access (mostly) so can get emails etc.

Cheers! And happy summer! w00t
Sandrine
Even though I have somewhat covered Tight Echos a couple of times in past videos already, I didn't convey the ability to use the frequency of the echo loops to makes notes that can then be recorded as slices (peak) and played back with the Sample Rate varying under 1V/Octave CV control to make notes!
Wow that was a mouthful!
The Slices could also be created with a trigger of course, with the karplus ringing along after it applause

This video also illustrates how Stutter's Fine mode follows the sample rate variations as they are directly/binarily in line (/2,/4+/2, /8 etc) so is really useful in this case.

The key to making this work well right away is to try to match the karplus tone to the key of the rest of whatever is going, and then do the 1V/oct from that point, even though it can be adjusted after as a Rate offset.

Sandrine
d'oh! The Feature Creep has me firmly in it's grasp! I know I know, I said "V1.02A is it until a required update for the expansion..." but you know how it is


Poss. Update: Slice Groove Sequencer Clock I/O
Surprisingly, no one has mentioned the Slice Sequencer feature in the Reflex, positive or negative, but I have been thinking about adding clock functionality to it.

If the REC T/F/C is set to clock, Slices output a trigger for each slice recorded into the Slice Sequencer, which can be great for triggering an envelope fora VCA, or syncing an LFO etc. but doesn't offer anything in the way of constant sync with the actual Slice sequence playing.

So, I have on paper (thus far) a method of having Slice Sequencer Play output a usable clock based on BPM limitations (60-160BPM), the ClockDiv setting (how many clocks/4:4 bar), and the overall length of the sequence (seconds to 100's of seconds).
For example, if the Sequence is 8 seconds long, tapped in by hand, and the ClockDiv is set to 16, then it would be considered that there are 4 bars @ 120BPM and the clock output would be 4/beat or effectively in 16ths.
The method seems pretty solid but defeats the per Slice Slice Groove Sequence trigger output.

Therein lies the question: would a derived Slice Groove Sequence clock output be a suitable replacement for Slice Trigger output during Slice Sequence play?

---

To add to the confusion, I have devised a way to have a clock control the rate at which a Slice Groove Sequence plays. So if you tap in, or sequence in a Slice Groove Sequence, then add a clock (I'm thinking into the Slice Play trigger input as it's not used during Slice Sequence Play) this clock is quantized into a division, again from the ClockDiv setting, and used to sync up the Slice Groove sequence.

If the Sequence was played in using a sequencer (as I often do) then there must be an absence of clock signal for 3 seconds before any input to Slice Play Trigger is interpreted as a clock, which assumes one would be unplugging the sequencer and plugging in a clock. This could all be seamless as Slice Groove Sequencer would still be playing at the time, and won't recognize the clock until it loops, at which point it would align.

While I'm not promising anything on this 2nd part as it's a lot of coding, I think it'd be a very good addition to the Slice Sequencer, and I would like it myself being an avid user of the Slice Groove Sequencer.

Anyone?
ObfuscatedVisuals
Sandrine wrote:

While I'm not promising anything on this 2nd part as it's a lot of coding, I think it'd be a very good addition to the Slice Sequencer, and I would like it myself being an avid user of the Slice Groove Sequencer.

Anyone?


I'm interested in this and also just sent you an order! It's peanut butter jelly time!
Sandrine
V1.03beta is up!!

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/reflexFWUD.htm

As it's a core update, you can return to 1.02A if you don't like it!

Please read the "ReadMe-V103beta.txt" for usage, as I haven't had time to update the manual

Enjoy!!
stikygum
This looks like a super fun module. If I didn't just buy a bunch of other modules, I'd go for this now. Definitely putting this on my radar.
sanders
Did I read that this module is available as DIY kit?

Is there a price list posted someplace?
Sandrine
sanders wrote:
Did I read that this module is available as DIY kit?
Is there a price list posted someplace?

It's not officially a DIY kit yet, that will be the next run (in October) as these are just too difficult to put together.

Here's a video on Sequential Slicing in R/P mode play (so they'll play as 1-shots), and modifying 1-shot slices to end a various times using PlayFX end control/CV. The 1-Shot Slice button will be introduced in V1.03 which is just about ready to go!
sanders
trax wrote:
Think of it as the best of the Phonogene / 4ms delay and time safari wrapped up into one amazing module!


Can you elaborate on this?

I'd like to pick up one or more of these modules. They're all sort of on the high side of what I like to spend (not to say they're not worth it, i'm sure they are). I've been waiting for a kit version of the Reflex, just to save a bit of money on it. But I'm curious to know what sort of overlap there is between the Reflex and the others you mentioned, from someone who's used them all.
Sandrine
V1.03A!

It's up at last at
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/Reflex-FWUDv1.03a.zip

Here's a link to the slightly updated Quick Guide (The 4 page one, not the one that came in the box)
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/0-reflexQuickStart.pdf

..and the updated/appended Reflex LiveLoop User Manual
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf

if you don't just want to play with the new features first hyper
(Make sure to refresh if viewing in a browser or old one may be loaded from your cache)

Enjoy!
falseeye
Are there still plans for an expander module? It would be great to be able to save samples . Ive been getting some great sounds by triggering with my midi keyboard and while i usually hate presets , with this it would be very useful to save up banks of my own sampled keyboard sounds to play back later
Sandrine
falseeye wrote:
Are there still plans for an expander module? It would be great to be able to save samples . Ive been getting some great sounds by triggering with my midi keyboard and while i usually hate presets , with this it would be very useful to save up banks of my own sampled keyboard sounds to play back later


Yes this has been on the bench all week as a matter of fact.
Presently under the microscope ( and parts ordered for) is a snap-on board that can permanently hold 8 entire Reflex memories, including Slices and SGS data. This would be an expansion, but not to SD card, and just snaps onto the 30 pin header so is internal with no panel, and not costly.

The ReFleXP-1 , the SD Card/MIDI etc expansion module is still early in the design stages, but making progress now summer is over!


Anywho! The reason I'm on the forum today:
I goofed. Big fail on the testing of V1.03a.

I have been writing a new manual for the Reflex "Complete Idiots Guide to Running the Reflex LiveLoop" and while verifying descriptions in the new maual I noticed a problem

I somehow missed the PlayFX locking out (button) after using SL.PLY trigger to play some slices, then exiting Slice Play back to RP Sample. Took all of 3 minutes to fix. It was in the UI, damned Arduino compiler didn't see it for some reason.
I'm very surprised no-one else has noticed this. Perhaps no-one updated?
So.. once again!

V1.03A!

It's debugged at
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/Reflex-FWUDv1.03a.zip
Matos
I admit. I haven't updated to the latest. Was waiting for development to slow down a bit. That plugin sounds awesome. And the expander even more awesome. Thanks for continually pushing things forward. The gift that keeps on giving.
Sandrine
Matos wrote:
. . .The gift that keeps on giving.

Funny it's the other way around for me ha ha! No that's not true, I must admit it's been for the most part a lot of fun It's motherfucking bacon yo
Robscorch
Ok I'm down when you get some prototypes hit me with a price now I gotta sell something to make space and money so worth it. we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy

I just got 1.03A installed going to try to put some time on it this morning. So far I haven't ran across any bugs just user errors. Miley Cyrus I'm learning slowly this thing is immense.
Sandrine
Robscorch wrote:
Ok I'm down when you get some prototypes hit me with a price now I gotta sell something to make space and money so worth it. we're not worthy we're not worthy we're not worthy

I just got 1.03A installed going to try to put some time on it this morning. So far I haven't ran across any bugs just user errors. Miley Cyrus I'm learning slowly this thing is immense.


Ooops! I guess I should have posted in this thread as well. Mr. Leverkusen has found a bug, albeit most won't notice it, and it only happens 1 of tem times, if even that.

When the Rate control is cranked way up, sometimes a sample (especially in R/P mode) cuts out until the Rate is reduced. I have found the problem, but am making a few other minor changes as a result of finding that.
The Rate control will work nicely in general, always.

Also, I am right now in the process of giving a PlayFX captured off of RP Play, or echo, Layer etc, the ability to create 1-Shot Slices if the PlayFX LOOP is off at the time the Slice is created from it.

This is looking very useful already!

Also, if the PlayFX has gone into standby as a result of the PlayFX LOOP being off, the LOOP LED will flash every second, so it's known to be in standby.
Before there was no indication, which may have been confusing users.

As a result of this, V1.03a will be V1.03b. Sorry to change again!! (Blame Leverkusen hehe)

I will certainly post the V1.03b update, later today if all looks good

Also in the Reflex News is a completely new user manual "Complete Idiots Guide to Running the Reflex LiveLoop" which is about half done.
It's step by step and has an example to try for every mode and feature the Reflex has to offer.

There's 2 sections, the first covers all of the modes/functions, the second being "Advanced" for the power user!

So busy Dead Banana
puzo
this would be soooo good in a korg volca sized box with some internal lfos
Sandrine
V1.03B!

As Promised

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/Reflex-FWUDv1.03b.zip

Here's a link to the slightly updated Quick Guide (The 4 page one, not the one that came in the box)
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/0-reflexQuickStart.pdf

The big manual hasn't been updated to cover these minor differences from V1.03A yet, everything will pretty much operate the same way as before, only better!

If V1.03_ is new to you, there's a .txt file in the zip with a list of changes

Cheers!

@ puzo ...and don't forget a sequencer!
Sandrine
ReFlex Flash8:

Just about ready to do up a prototype board for the "Flash8" expansion board but tossing around whether MIDI in should be added to this.

It would be in the form of a 3.5mm stereo jack on the board so it'd still require one of those patch cords up to monster 5-Pin DIN size, and it'd have to be attached inside the case and it's cord run out somehow to the MIDI interface.
This is a patch https://www.mpcstuff.com/trs-cable-50mm-3-5-midi-break-out-cable-mpc-s tudio/ that I know works, but there's no real standard it seems so...
Sandrine
-antiquated-
Sandrine
V1.04A!

New-
Live Pitch-Shift!
..tap REC then PlayFX G-Move

+Global Slice Sequence Overdub/re-record
..tap REC during a Slice sequence via SGS or external trigger

+3 Less Bugs!

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/Reflex-FWUDv1.04a.zip

See the attached V104 .txt file for more info

SO here's the new "Complete idiot's Guide.." for V1.04A - don't forget to "refresh" in browser of it may just load the old .pdf
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/0-CompleteIdiotsGuideReflex.pdf



The regular user manual has also been updated to match V.1.04:
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/00-ReflexLiveLoopManual.pdf
Info on update and change log is on the last page, but the whole manual has been re-formatted for the newer features, so should stand for a while
Sandrine
I posted this in Euro forum, but it may be better to post here

So I have been developing the Flash 8 expansion board and have a dilemma with the MIDI interface (small jack on the board)
Controlling the Reflex with MIDI is proving to be fantastic, perfect Rate-note ratios, and Slice access/triggering via MIDI notes.

The issue is this:
Originally the rate/notes were centered around C5, where the pitch is at standard sample rate, which seems logical to *me* as I learned piano around C. But this isn't true if following the 1V/Octave scheme, so it has been changed up to note A5. I find this rather dodgy at best.
Either way, it follows the sampled note if it was the same at full sample rate. i.e. if an "A" is sampled in, then an A will play on note A; C will play on note C etc

Then comes the Slice selection. It starts (Slice#1) at C3, but following the same scheme, should start at an A (A3?)
So my question is, is this logical? Or should Slices start at a C?

Any suggestions would be appreciated hmmm.....
Sandrine
The Flash-8 is coming!

It's an expansion board (not a module) that plugs on to the back of the Reflex that gives 8 "sessions" of non-volatile memory for instant loading of sample/slices/settings etc
There is a bonus MIDI in interface to control the Reflex via MIDI!
Should be out in November
Cheers!
Sandrine
-Update-

Besides loading & saving sessions on the Reflex, somehow the MIDI interface has become expanse (hense the word expansion?) Look what it can do!

Flash-8 Expansion module for the Reflex LiveLoop MIDI extras:

A. Channel 1 Universal Notes
-will start a PlayFX capture from an RP sample playing or echoing, or play a Slice if SLICE SEL is on, or simply change the pitch of a playing Slice when SLICE SEL is off.

B. Channel 2 Live Record/Play Notes
-designed as a "DJ-like live embellishment controller" that captures up to 10 samples that can be instantly recalled by playing their adjacent notes. These notes are also velocity sensitive so samples can be brought into a composition less starkly, then leave with as much grace, if desired.
88-key keyboard can also select/control PlayFX on these samples

C. Channel 3 Slice Play Notes Exclusive
-will always be assigned to Slice Selection/Play. If you are using a multi-tier keyboard, or a sequencer/DAW, then this a way to have direct control of Slices and their Pitch (Rate) simultaneously


D. Channel 4 Rate Offset Notes
-Notes on this channel solely change the Pitch/Rate of whatever sample is playing. This is regardless of whether it is a Slice, RP sample playing, Echo/Delay, PlayFX, or even initially recording.
This makes controlling the new Live Pitch Shift feature of the Reflex easy!

E. Pitch Wheel (Channel 1-4)
-MIDI Pitch Wheel (found to the left side of many keyboards) acts on samples as will the normal function of Pitch Wheel. The default range is +/- 2 notes, which is usually the rule of thumb with Pitch Wheel. This range can be permanently changed away from this default up to +/- 1 octave in MIDI setup.

F. 1-2-3-4 MIDI CC's (channel 1-4)
-similar to moving the knobs on the panel, except that they are all available without having to switch or select as with the panel.
Separate programmable CC's for PlayFX course & fine, (Blend>> AC input level, pan left & right, Sampler output level, pan left & right), Feedback+fine left & right, Stutter Coarse and fine left & right, EQ bands levels left & right + EQ MID frequency select left & right, Portamento Speed, Rate Coarse and Fine.
All panel selectors and/or buttons (Play/Rec/Slice/SliceSel/Pmode, Mode, Rec T/F/C, Play T/F/G, SLoop/Ploop on/off, EQ CV jack select) and deeper settings brought out to CC's: Rate UnLock, Rate Width, PlayFX Scrubbing, Peak BackSlice, Direct Trigger out.

G. Special MIDI Controls & Commands
-MIDI Clock Output (REC T/F/C jack) + Sync (from ClockDiv setting) as with external clock trigger input.
-Notes to control 3 main buttons on all 4 channels (REC, SLICE_play, PLAY)
-Custom fast CC programming easily done from panel and CC knobs

Well that's about it. Is it enough?
hihi
mckenic
F00k! Wow!
tiego
the only drawbackwith this thing is having too much fun to be able to raise my head and read the bloody user manual ,(the idiot one for me) so after a few minutes I wonder where I am , slice, FX Play ,stutter, just the loop , mini maxi macro or G point move, i think I even found a brand new mode : the creepy one! marvelous feeling!
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tiego
ooops ,

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Sandrine
tiego wrote:
ooops ,
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Ha! That's better! Spooky indeed, haven't a clue zombie
I'm like that with manuals, even my own lol. Glad you're having fun!
Sandrine
V.1.05beta

Brave beta testers!
Here's the new beta as promised.
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/reflex4distV105beta.zip

This update doesn't have much affect on any other features/functions with the exception of G-Move operating in ping-pong grain stereo when G-Move is started with PLAY LOOP off.

Phonogene's "broken echo" mode can be entered by tapping MODE and PSEL across from it simultaneously. Echo LED will slowly flash.
Feedback is still operational as a limiter for the Blend control so can be used to slowly fade the echo when echoing.
The Blend control to left from full introduces new audio as heard on the output at various levels during record.

Both Channels can be used for output, but use only RP (right) for the mono input. If there is a signal on the left also it will be full on and not controlled by the Blend mix. ..
This could be useful for adding 1-shot sounds (like a drum) into the mix, even though it won't be heard until it loops if the Blend is to the right

Test away!
tiego
Sandrine wrote:
V.1.05beta

Brave beta testers!
Test away!




will do , G Move in wide-o-sonic mode sounds like a great idea!
thanks a lot for your great work Sandrine!
Sandrine
I was just brought to my attention that tapping the MODE+PSEL should be just that "tap" not hold, if held too long the Rate can go into RateLocked, or the mode can switch back to Layer, which is "un-fun" to say the least. Thank gawd for beta testing!
Sandrine
Re: Reflex LiveLoop Expansion Board Flash-8
-in regards to MIDI notes playing samples/PlayFX or Slices

Sandrine wrote:

Velocity anyone?
On the Flash-8 Channel slot 2 (Record/Play notes) the notes are velocity sensitive. I know it's a "touchy" issue hihi with most people so have left all of the other Channels as non-velocity sensitive.
Now I'm wondering if there shouldn't be a control for this i.e. sensitivity/curve from none (full on) to full range. The default I guess would be none.


Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Quasi
Sandrine wrote:
Re: Reflex LiveLoop Expansion Board Flash-8
-in regards to MIDI notes playing samples/PlayFX or Slices

Sandrine wrote:

Velocity anyone?
On the Flash-8 Channel slot 2 (Record/Play notes) the notes are velocity sensitive. I know it's a "touchy" issue hihi with most people so have left all of the other Channels as non-velocity sensitive.
Now I'm wondering if there shouldn't be a control for this i.e. sensitivity/curve from none (full on) to full range. The default I guess would be none.


Does anyone have any thoughts on this?


Sandrine,
First, I stand at the ready to purchase the expansion board!!! This is very exciting.

Second, Im wondering if I'm understanding your question correctly. By "velocity sensitive" are you asking if there is value (pun intended) in being able to set the threshold at which a sample, play fx or slice is triggered? Thus if you hit a note either on purpose or accidentally below the set threshold then it would not trigger? If so, no I can't see the value in ONLY effecting if a sample, slice or play fx is on or off but I'm open to hearing why it might be.

However, I see a huge value if by "velocity sensitive" you mean the volume the sample, slice or play fx will be set. In other words, not that it will trigger but how loud it will sound when it is triggered.

Third, any quess as to when the expansion board will be available?

Finally, a huge thank you for continually updating the firmware and pushing an already fantastic module even further!!

Cheers,
Paul
Sandrine
Thanks Paul! If you're not moving forward you're moving backwards IMO

The velocity is just that, controlling the loudness of each sample

Here's velocities being used playing randomly created Slices - starting at about 0:50

http://www.freshnelly.com/tunes2016/RLL-Velocities.mp3

Notice how a 1/multi-shot delay effect can be be made without actually being a delay Cheesy!
(Ok I'll admit I was doing a bit 'o tweakin at the end there)

The Flash-8 expansion board will be ready to go within a week from now thumbs up
Quasi
That sounds great to me!! Stoked you are getting these out soon!!
Sandrine
This is a short video on how the new global MIDI note sample velocity sounds. This feature will work on both PlayFX and Slices being Note triggered. Default CC# for this feature is CC#107, but can be changed on panel or from a SysEx file.

The Flash-8 is an add-on board ($90) that allows 8 sessions to be saved/loaded along with Slices and all data plus a full control MIDI interface that will access parts of the Reflex not available from the panel.

qfactor
Sandrine wrote:
The Flash-8 is an add-on board ($90) that allows 8 sessions to be saved/loaded along with Slices and all data plus a full control MIDI interface that will access parts of the Reflex not available from the panel.


Can I order the Flash-8 already? seriously, i just don't get it
Sandrine
Just a few more days, getting them through customs along with another large order, so taking forever!
Quasi
Can't wait to order it!!!!
Sandrine
I'll be emailing everyone once they're ready to go hyper

In the mean time
This quick little video demonstrates the subtle portamento feature and it's 3 modes, down only, up only, or both. This control is on the standard RPN CC#65, while portamento speed is on RPN CC#5. A standard portamento switch of foot pedal will work without any modification if your keyboard has such a beast.
It can also be controlled in a DAW soft of course as I am doing in this vid

gwpt
Hi, when you say you;ll email people, is that people who bought the Reflex off you originally?
Or do we have to put our hand up here to show interest?

If so, my hand is definitely up! smile smile
Looks like a great expander.

PS. thanks again for the idiot's guide, Im finally working out how to use the reflex... wink
mckenic
Sandrine - is all the control just standard CC#s? No NRPNs?

I could probably whip up an iPad Lemur template & Max4Live device fairly easily if so (as could anyone else - if its that straight forward)!
Sandrine
Update: The boards have cleared customs and on their way!
So we now will have more Reflex LiveLoops and also Flash-8's

gwpt wrote:
Hi, when you say you;ll email people, is that people who bought the Reflex off you originally?
Or do we have to put our hand up here to show interest?

If so, my hand is definitely up! smile smile
Looks like a great expander.

PS. thanks again for the idiot's guide, Im finally working out how to use the reflex... wink

Great to know the idiots guide was a good idea!
If you could just email me at reflex @ freshnelly .com (less the spaces) I'll put you on the list, cheers!

mckenic wrote:
Sandrine - is all the control just standard CC#s? No NRPNs?

I could probably whip up an iPad Lemur template & Max4Live device fairly easily if so (as could anyone else - if its that straight forward)!

Some of the obvious things (like sampler volume/pan, portamento speed & on/off, sustain pedal, pitch wheel) are RPN standard, and the rest mostly steer clear of common RPN's, but don't forget all of these other CC#'s (47 of them total) can be changed to suit your app from the panel or via a SysEx (which will be posted on the Flash-8 page almost ready) file editable as standard text.

I have tried to cover all of the MIDI bases. The 4 Channels Slot (default 1,2,3,4) for Notes are also configurable i.e. you may want a whole drumset in one flash session memory, and all of those Slices can be instantly played from Channel Slot #3, so it's logical to set Slot #3 to MIDI Channel 10.
The CC's work the same on all 4 Channels (1,2,3,4 by default) but not others, reserving that for other instruments etc.

Speaking of drums, I came up with a great way to load drum samples from a DAW: Place all of the samples in a sequence, in order, and at the beginning of the sequence place a REC note to begin recording when played.
At each sample the Slice Note is placed so a Slice is created precisely at the right spot. Once done, save to a memory Slot.
It's a lot of initial work in the DAW soft, but once done once it can be saved, loaded and modified etc.
You could have 8 entire sets of drums if this was all you wanted to use the Reflex for hehe
hyper
mckenic
Oh so the assignments on the Flash8 can be user configured over sysex?

That is wonderful! I can do up a M4L / Lemur thingy for myself so! Thank you!
Also - great idea on the sequence. Must get my Richard Devine sounds from the TwistedTools libs ready hihi
Sandrine
Quote:
Speaking of drums, I came up with a great way to load drum samples from a DAW: Place all of the samples in a sequence, in order, and at the beginning of the sequence place a REC note to begin recording when played.
At each sample the Slice Note is placed so a Slice is created precisely at the right spot. Once done, save to a memory Slot.
It's a lot of initial work in the DAW soft, but once done once it can be saved, loaded and modified etc.
You could have 8 entire sets of drums if this was all you wanted to use the Reflex for hehe


Here's a short video on that.
I only load some 20 samples, but it shows how easy it is to do. In FL Studio or Logic or whatever, probably it'd be better to drag'n drop the samples onto the time line, a bit easier to see what's going on.
mckenic
Jesus Christ!!!
Need to get myself a usb midi interface for my iPad for playing out live!
Sandrine
There's wireless MIDI coming, https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-legacy-wireless-wifi-midi-produ ct#/ I'm looking forward to loosing this massive amount of cables around the studio.
It's already going in some hardware around too. I would do it myself if I had time d'oh!
mckenic
lol applause

(I just bought myself €80 worth of 10cm, 20cm and 3m mono patch leads from Thomann!) With all the other crap I have to lug around with my Eurorack (2x uZeus psus, Laptop, brain interface, USB lead, CV-Pal) one more will just get tossed into the bag :-)

The PUC is cool tho!

thumbs up
Sandrine
Hockey anyone? I like the look of it, I wish them well. thumbs up
I don't think wires will ever go away in the modular world though. Isn't that the main point? Wires=patches hehe
It's so strange how afraid people are of wires these days, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, wireless lighting, wireless doorbells. I feel like a rebel now arrr!

I have considered just getting a trailer for all my stuff. Last performance took 1 pickup truck and a car just totally loaded that there was no room for a passenger. I know it does pile up quickly!


This video:
This is somewhat of an oddity. Instead of using a CV to modulate the sample rate during record or playback, I decided to give MIDI controlling a try.

It performed pretty good when you consider that MIDI carries only a bit over 1000 "sentences" per millisecond and I rammed a 50 Hz sine wave through it. (That's 20 messages per cycle) it was enough to get a shape, but not quite as good as a CV input, which moves the Rate much faster.

All the same it's nice to know an FM warble can be added at any time. This was using the Pitch Wheel MIDI, not the Rate control itself. A more limited range of +/- 1 octave makes PW more manageable.

Quasi
Great news about clearing customs!!
Sandrine
Taking Orders Everyone!!
reflex @ freshnelly.com (less spaces)
Please specify that's it's the Flash-8 or the Reflex Live Loop or both!

Here's the Big Trailer for the Flash-8 in glorious 640x480 (because my bandwidth sucks bo bo lately) gives a really quick idea of what this thing can do.
The sequence shown without the loop-point will record new music each round, pretty fun just to leave it run! If you have a version (6+) of FL Studio, I can post the .flp. The port will need to be changed on the MIDI outs to yours of course!

Sandrine
Sandrine wrote:
The Flash-8 page is mostly up:

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/flash8.htm

FW Update V.2.00 for Reflex (with or without Flash-8 Expansion) will be up tonight or tomorrow AM!

Manual also tomorrow very likely, so by the time the Flash-8 arrives you'll be a pro applause

Thank you everyone so far for your Flash-8 orders!


Firmware V.2.00 is online
It's an update for the Reflex with or without the Flash-8 Expansion

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/reflexFWUD.htm
Sandrine
The Flash-8 flash & MIDI Expansion User Guide is up:
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/Flash8_UserManual.pdf

I tried hard to keep it short, and then there's a page for the schematic and another for the Q&A and another for the Tips . . . so 17 pages isn't really *that* long
Sandrine
New Video!

Flash-8 MIDI controlling the RLL:
This video will give you an idea of how to turn a sample (slices in this case) into different notes without re-triggering from MIDI. This is the function of MIDI Channel slot 4.
The samples used are in the Flash-8 when shipped, on session slot # 8, and are created from a MIDI sequence on a PC that plays the samples and the "Slice note" thus creating the slices accurately.

Neekau
Sandrine wrote:
There's wireless MIDI coming, https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-legacy-wireless-wifi-midi-produ ct#/ I'm looking forward to loosing this massive amount of cables around the studio.
It's already going in some hardware around too. I would do it myself if I had time d'oh!

There is actually a Bluetooth MIDI adaptor available :
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/accessori es/interfaces/md-bt01/?mode=model
Sandrine
Wow! Thanks Neekau!
That's brilliant isn't it? I guess it would work with windows through the same network link program that is used for rtpMIDI as it's got to be like a WiFi connection
Sandrine
I have modified the Flash-8 installation instructions to include mention of removing the small jumper in the 30-pin box header (if left in it forces bad alignment and shifts all of the pins down 1!!)

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/flash8-install.htm




Also, the Flash-8 User guide now has bookmarks from the index so it can jump to different pages in the .pdf

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/Flash8_UserManual.pdf

And last but not least, an updated Reflex Guide for V2.00,
also with bookmarked pages!
Includes "Broken Echo" mode, Stereo G-Move, Clocked Layer Footswitch, Timed SGS after clock recall, PlayFX S/E,P/S Karplus echoSize recognition additions

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/0-CompleteIdiotsGuideReflex.pdf

Sandrine
The Flash-8's are going fast, if you would like one better do it soon.

A fun (patch) using Slice over-dub

It's not really a patch but playing with the record head and play head in a loop, AKA Slice overdub.
If PlayFX is on or the Slice Play Rate is changed slightly, the heads fall out of sync and overlap / pass while the resulting audio is recorded back into the loop. If PlayFX is in reverse, the live sample will echo back in reverse, then forward and reverse from that!

Here is some steps to get there:
1) start an echo (in echo mode) 2 or 3 seconds long and tap a 3rd time to go into infinite echo
2) Turn on SLICE SEL and play the Slice that will be created, even if there is no sound yet. This validates the Slice
3) Stop the Echo (hold REC button)
4) Start a Slice overdub by tapping the REC button.

Any audio you put in now will be recorded inside the little Slice loop and played immediately as a mix of sample+audio input
Slowing/Speeding up the Slice Rate (SLICE SEL to toggle Rate knob back to Rate control) will set the Record and Play heads out of sync
Starting a Start/End PlayFX will also set them out of sync as the controls are adjusted
If the sound suddenly disappears that's because the play head may have moved ahead of the record head and is now playing the previous loop laid down. Sync can be acheived by Starting echo via trigger input, then using the same plug to trigger PlayFX.
Hell, just try it and have fun!!

Here's some audio that came out while playing with this. Feedback was up almost fully, Blend more over to sampler side
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0:00 Faster Slice loop, Non-synced drums with Slice Rate slightly left of center, increased EQ HI at 1:04
1:17 Longer Slice loop, PlayFX reversed with End knob up a hair to allow PlayFX muting to takeout loop click. Changed PlayFx Rate down
3:12 Tea Kick for sync. Made echo Rec-->Echo loop from clock. Played Slice then reversed PlayFX triggered from same clock from that Slice. Played guitar with tempo.
4:54 Unplugged PlayFX trigger and turned up End a hair, left it in reverse and played more guitar
6:28 Same as previous recording, but switched SLICE SEL to adjust PlayFX rate down a hair. It's doesn't take much as it's accumulative. Turned Rate slightly above center for last part

Switching from PlayFX (exiting) back to the Slice Loop may mess up the feedback setting so just adjust it some to update it or it'll only echo once
Matos
Will there be a restock soon after the flash-8 sell out? I want to receive my first one to explore before I order more.
Sandrine
Matos wrote:
Will there be a restock soon after the flash-8 sell out? I want to receive my first one to explore before I order more.


Yes Matos, in Feb 2017 sometime probably, providing the parts arrive by then meh
Sandrine
Update:

Reflex DIY assembly instructions with pictures and everything!

http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/RLL-Assemby.pdf

Flash-8 expansion board is back in stock
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/flash8.htm
mwvm
When is this available as diy?
Sandrine
mwvm wrote:
When is this available as diy?


Right now

$350 for the complete kit including the Flash-8 Expansion
mwvm
Sandrine wrote:
mwvm wrote:
When is this available as diy?


Right now

$350 for the complete kit including the Flash-8 Expansion


As a kit?

Pcbs and panel?
Sandrine
Yep, everything including PSU ribbon & MIDI patch

check the pdf http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/RLL-Assemby.pdf to see if it's for you cool
Sandrine
New 3HP VCO feeding Reflex for the fist time!

This video was created during testing of the prototype SDS_VCO (3D printed black 3HP thing) connected to a Reflex. The sound from 1 little VCO is great when feeding a synced delay!

Two sequencers are in play, the ModEM-1 as a sequencer/clock source feeding the MI Frames, then CV added to the ModEM-1 sequence. All of the Frame's outputs are offset from a 10V LFO slowly (50 seconds) cycling a sine wave.

The SDS_VCO, coming soon hopefully, is set to use the MOD input to select 16 different waveforms (13 fixed + 3 custom) giving the mix a wide range of ever changing timbres. The bottom Wave knob can offset by 16. Also the CV input is set to quantize to one of the 16 scales available.

It has a built in envelope gen. and a VCA to save using up those modules in the rack, or to add another dimension of enveloping with another VCA



I listened to the patch for hours!
Matos
Woah. Tiny but sounds huge!
Sandrine
Matos wrote:
Woah. Tiny but sounds huge!


Can't wait to have more of these made It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners
Sandrine
First an update from Eurorack forum:
I'm feeling a firmware update coming...

Have been testing a new PlayFX mode "DJ" (for now!)

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Here's a sample of the new pending 4th PlayFX mode: DJ mode.
It's from podcast that was playing

This PlayFX allows panning through the sample in forward and reverse with the top PlayFX knob, or with a bipolar CV offset, and the bottom knob is a Slew control, also with a CV offset. (Slew is at zero in this recording)

The knob/CV access to move around the sample actually changes the Rate/speed from center either way, forward or reverse so simulates a record platter being turned.

Using a bipolar square wave LFO in this sample is basically shifting the direction from the knob (at center throughout) either way at the same voltage effectively plays the same forward as reverse, so in a perfect LFO it'll sit in one place.
In the recording I change the offset of the LFO, but also the duty cycle, which makes the sample move forward more than reverse, moving it overall. This sounds somewhat like G-Move at higher flip=flops, but is playing forward/reverse each time.

Afterwards, I changed the LFO to ramp and sine cool




Here's the new "DJ" PlayFX mode firmware link:

V2.01beta
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/reflex4distV201beta.zip
This will in no way affect the rest of the operation in V2.00 (but fixes the PlayFX CV un-jacking issue I've discovered)

The Last ReadMe file has accessing/usage instructions.

*This is not a core update.

To revert to V2.00, get it from:
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/reflexFWUD.htm

If there's any questions or suggestions about this new PlayFX, I'm all ears!
Also, can anyone think of a better name for this PlayFX??? Dead Banana very frustrating

Have Fun!! hyper
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Also, can anyone think of a better name for this PlayFX???


OrthogonalFX hihi
Sandrine
Right Channel (RP) feedback send/return insertion:

If you have a jack strip witha pair of unused jacks, and would like to break out the Right Feedback insertion, or just have a feedback right monitor, it can be done in two ways:

Without Flash-8, just remove the top jumper in the 30 pin header and plug on your custom jacks,or -

With Flash-8, cut the trace between the two top pins on the 30 pin header and hard wire your insertion there on those two pins.

Remember to use the switched part of your return jack to connect to the hot on the Send jack. This will close the insertion as it is now so there isn't the need to have a permanent patch from one jack to the other hihi

If anyone wants to do this mod, please PM me and I'll make up some pics and info for it.

Cheers!
Patate le mage
Hi Sandy, i've tried the new "DJ" mode, very nice.
For the naming perhaps : Travelling mode.
Sandrine
Patate le mage wrote:
Hi Sandy, i've tried the new "DJ" mode, very nice.
For the naming perhaps : Travelling mode.


Hey that's pretty good! It does travel
Noted & merci!
Sandrine
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elegon2112
So i might be picking one of these used with a expander. I just have a question. Iv noticed in a lot of videos one has to manually hit the record button. Is there cv options for all this. Or just midi. Hands free generative patching.. also for minimal use am i able to run this module like a syncable delay. Its nice to think about cause if i dont plan on doing heavy sample looping fun. I can still patch it up to be good sound quality delay effect?
Sandrine
elegon2112 wrote:
So i might be picking one of these used with a expander. I just have a question. Iv noticed in a lot of videos one has to manually hit the record button. Is there cv options for all this. Or just midi. Hands free generative patching.. also for minimal use am i able to run this module like a syncable delay. Its nice to think about cause if i dont plan on doing heavy sample looping fun. I can still patch it up to be good sound quality delay effect?

Yes there is, the REC button's jack is just below and acts much like the button (i.e. echo/delay rec->echo->infinite echo)
If set to Clock it can be clocked (via a divider pre-set1-16) and the Rate control can be switched to Mult/Div mode which locks the pitch but shifts the delay time up or down in mults/divs.

Here's a really good video on this..
Sandrine
Hi Fellow RLL DIY'ers!

It has recently come to my attention that there's a bug with G-Move.
Full CW on Size knob and max (5V) CV can cause the G-Move PlayFX to crash, becoming locked up until a power cycle.

It's amazing I haven't noticed this before, and perhaps no-one else has either. It only happens when the knob is full right and there's 5V or more on the CV input... while in G-Move of course

The fix is available as V.2.06 :
http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/Reflex-FWUDv2.06.zip

The FW page will be updated asap as well

Thanks to Edward (MW'er?) for the heads up!
huron
How does one go about finding what version firmware their LiveLoop is running? Just picked up a used one and curious if I need to update it or not. I'm on Mac so it's looks extremely annoying and I might have to grab a quick degree in computer science to do it.
Sandrine
huron wrote:
How does one go about finding what version firmware their LiveLoop is running? Just picked up a used one and curious if I need to update it or not. I'm on Mac so it's looks extremely annoying and I might have to grab a quick degree in computer science to do it.


The best way is to check the FW update page and see if yours has the additions http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/reflexFWUD.htm lists them.
One of the more obvious additions is "DJ Mode" accessed by tapping the PlayFX LOOP button then the P.SEL button right after. If the 3 PlayFX LEDs are all off then it has entered DJ Mode so >= V2.03

Yes Mac with the constant OS changes has been a challenge. The CH341 driver isn't free for the Mac either. Unfortunately more and more hardware (uP interfaces, LED name tags, programmable lighting, RC motor controllers) uses the CH341 but Apple doesn't seem to like it much as every update royally messes with the driver so it hangs/crashes.
Sandrine
huron wrote:
How does one go about finding what version firmware their LiveLoop is running? Just picked up a used one and curious if I need to update it or not. I'm on Mac so it's looks extremely annoying and I might have to grab a quick degree in computer science to do it.


Re: email received (can't send from the location!) Sure no problem. Send away! I'll send my addy once we're back later on
Sandrine
Firmware (2.07) Update!

There is a rare issue with the RateLock feature that was brought to my attention by Micah (not sure of his MW pseudo) in that if the RateLock was on at the time of FW update to the version that replaced the Settings RateLock with Slice SemiTones option (V.2.04) then the RateLock starts as locked on power-up.
While it's easy enough to hold the MODE button to disengage the RateLock it can be a PITA if you forget to do it.

This FW update will cause the RateLock to resume from last setting at power-up, which is the way it should be!


http://www.freshnelly.com/reflex/FW/reflex4distV207.zip

Happy Reflexin' !
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