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Playing your modular live
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bemerritt
As the title states, since the beginning of me joining euro-land, I have had the focus of playing live. Granted, by live I mean performing for 20 or so close friends at an annual party in the middle of nowhere. So far from official, more of a weekend party where people do some dj sets at all hours of the weekend.

So the point of this thread is to get some input from those of you playing live.

Types of music wanting to play? Probably start out with some slower more ambient sounds, moving into more of a minimal techno like pace. Probably build towards a more driving techno sound towards the end to set up someone playing a more upbeat house set afterwards.

For reference, here is my current setup:



Yes, I started in October and have a long, long way to go. But it has been a great adventure learning each module. Something new to learn each time i sit down, that's for sure. (let's try and keep the "you bought too much at once" narrative to a minimum. well documented on this site.)

My questions/thoughts are as follows:

- How long do you think YOU could "perform" live? My goal is 30 minutes, and I am sure I could make some noise for longer, but want it to be cohesive

- How much do you recommend having pre planned? Usually when i'm noodling around I get some great sounds, get in the zone and kind of noodle around with it and then move on. I can imagine having some sequences stored on the mother to vary up some bass lines, have different drum and gate sequences on the circadian and a lot of live manipulation with the metropolis.

- Any modules you think that are absolutely necessary for playing live? I am not locked into this 12U by any means. realistically i'll end at 18U. I think a rosie would be nice to listen to sounds before bringing them into the mix.

- Future adds: a delay(chronoblob or 4ms), sampler (4ms) and possibly the sputnik keyboard. Definitely need some more mixers and vca's. Wouldn't mind a filter or two more.

Thanks for any tips/tricks/comments you may have. Hopefully this can be a fun discussion on sharing our hobby (yes, for me it's just a hobby) with others in a live setting.
jarcorbo
I've only played out a couple times so far and the following modules have been incredibly useful:
-Switches for variation/structure
-Tactile modules like joysticks/ fsr's/ touch plates / manual gates etc.
-A mixer with mutes (I use a mutamix)
-Effects, waveshapers, anything to add timbral variation

Eager to hear other's thoughts on this...
leeski
sounds cool just practice with what you have and try to get the right cables for the mixer hihi

"Playing out performance modular" should have lots of goodies in that part of this forum

Good luck thumbs up
bemerritt
Ahh, mutes and switches. Definitely super useful. Love the circadian mutes for bringing drum sounds in and out. Also a nice feature of the PEG and QPLFO is the mutes, for bring in modulation. I'll have to take a look at the mutamix.
memes_33
i have been doing a monthly thing for about a year now- it's a monthly block party in oakland referred to as 2nd saturday- sort of a DIY arts walk for this one block that features a few street art galleries. sometimes its me alone, sometime my buddy joins me, and others are always encouraged to hook up and play (although only a few people have done so)

its always been very impromptu, although when i got a BSP, i did try to pre-load some very basic bass and drum sequences prior to each performance. last time, my BSP shat the bed right as i was setting up (power connector is fucked), and i forgot my "control surface" rack (https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/196041), so i was only left with my 6U performance case (https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/206719) and my little acid drum case (https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/192955). it was still a lot of fun.

some of my favorite things to do:
-set up multiple drum sequencers (BSP, grids, zularic) and feed various parts into a short bus to bring different sequenced parts in & out. great for bass parts, too!
-i often get a bass part's rhythm down, then manually switch notes with the BSP or any other 1v/o source
-use random sources to modulate VCAs, filters, effects parameters, etc.
-erbe-verb- so awesome! hardly ever use it just for traditional reverb (although it does that just fine!), more for super-modulated craziness
-if i could cram anything else in, it would be an echophon

after that, its generally experimentation until something clicks, then working around that.

we usually jam for anywhere from 15-30 minutes, then smoke some herb, chill, pee, etc., go back and tear it all down and start over. we often repeat for about 4 hours.

i would definitely recommend at least one or two LPG's- they are a lot of fun for the rhythmic/funky stuff i do. the dplpg's are an awesome way to add some great sounding pings with minimal HP.

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ersatzplanet
First I would move the bottom row into a skiff to sit in front of the rig. Those look like the modules you would "play" more than the others. Getting them in a skiff facing upwards makes a control surface and makes it much easier to use.

Think about some WAV playing modules. Make complex textures with the whole rig and burn them to media and then play them through the rig as complex VCOs, makes easy spaces to go to that are modifiable and jamm-able to play against. I'm not talking about whole tracks or DJ loops but raw textures that are complex but free up a bunch of the rig to do other things.

A programmer helps to, giving you a tweak able set of parameters to play with live but allows you to jump back to a set of settings that you used earlier, finishing off a set this way is a very good way to show the crowd that you are in control, and not the machine.
memes_33
ersatzplanet wrote:
Think about some WAV playing modules.


good point. i use my radio music thing often. its great for filling in spaces between more active parts. i usually run radio dialogue or speech through clouds or erbe-verb for effect and to give you something to tweak.
cliffemu
Set up all your patterns ahead of time in the metropolis and m32, and drums in the circadian of course. Get a couple RadioMusics set up like how James suggested. Then try to map out the various stages of your planned set and whatever else you're missing should shake out.
ignatius
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=52 thumbs up
artistcalled6
Quote:
How long do you think YOU could "perform" live? My goal is 30 minutes, and I am sure I could make some noise for longer, but want it to be cohesive


IMHO 30 minutes feels like a really long time on an improv'd modular set. For events that we plan we like everyone to go at least 40 but sometimes 20 is all we can get lol

Quote:
- How much do you recommend having pre planned? Usually when i'm noodling around I get some great sounds, get in the zone and kind of noodle around with it and then move on. I can imagine having some sequences stored on the mother to vary up some bass lines, have different drum and gate sequences on the circadian and a lot of live manipulation with the metropolis.


I also have a CR, so I like to layout drum beats ahead of time. During the live performance I'll usually enable D mode, and ef with the reset. I also lay down rhythm melodies on a sequencer 1 and use it's random modes to make things interesting. From there I'll use a rene for complete improv. This kind of gives things a structured, yet dynamic feel.

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- Any modules you think that are absolutely necessary for playing live? I am not locked into this 12U by any means. realistically i'll end at 18U. I think a rosie would be nice to listen to sounds before bringing them into the mix.


You have more than enough to keep producing interesting sounds for some time. Cueing from a rosie is something I haven't thought about but that could be useful. I usually just go with whatever happens.
noddyspuncture


ELP tribute - R.A.Moog modular... cool

Cheers,
Tom
Satanoid
I play my modular on gigs whenever I have one, but some of the modules break a lot. I've done a gig with just phonogene, lfo and noise boxes because of this reason.

I have gathered from experience you should have few back up plans and ideal structure for the set. You don't have to play the planned out set, but if you can't jam out anything usable or good, you can fall back to the planned out one. I like to have audio files for the start, few for middle and for the ending, they can be just speech or then some droney melodies you can play noise above it. I have 4 oscillators so I can make it without audio, but it's good to have a lot of options open.

I have just a 9U rack and I can play for 15-60 minutes, I even have modules on it that I don't use atm and a lot more modules collecting dust somewhere around the house.


This is already kind of long text, but I use Phonogene, Echophon, Clouds and Elements the most, kind of a casual combo I guess.
artistcalled6
Satanoid wrote:
but some of the modules break a lot.


Can you elaborate on this a bit? Which modules, what case were you using...back in the pick up truck or nicely strapped into the back of the lincoln?
nnamesor
I would 2nd (or 3rd) adding in a Radio Music - definitely helps fill in the space w/ something different and:

1) if you have some rhythmic / drum loops (as opposed to voice samples) you should be able to trigger envelopes w/ your 4ms SMR

2) it's perfect companion for the Clouds

(all in only 4hp)
ersatzplanet
nnamesor wrote:
I would 2nd (or 3rd) adding in a Radio Music - definitely helps fill in the space w/ something different and:

1) if you have some rhythmic / drum loops (as opposed to voice samples) you should be able to trigger envelopes w/ your 4ms SMR

2) it's perfect companion for the Clouds

(all in only 4hp)


I play a lot with environmental beds (forest, city scapes, factory sounds etc) and made a module just for that. It was fairly cheap - based on the $50 WaveTrigger PCB sold by SparkFun. It is a polyphonic CD quality Stereo file player that can play up to 14 tracks at a time. It can be configured to be triggered via switch or Gate and has a bunch of playback modes (on-shot looping, only when gate high etc). I use them for beds and for Ableton in a box sort of stuff processed by the rest of my rig. A very cheap but powerful companion module for sure -

Helmey
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- How long do you think YOU could "perform" live? My goal is 30 minutes, and I am sure I could make some noise for longer, but want it to be cohesive

I have friends who can play all night with a 9U rig but I usually will get 10-15 minutes a patch so far. The more I play, the longer I go. One of my modular mentors tells me to draw my performances out longer - that I get tired of what I'm doing before the audience does. He suggests letting ideas run for at least twice as long as I think they should go. I come from a more pop music background, so I'm always looking for the next part of the song.

Quote:
- How much do you recommend having pre planned? Usually when i'm noodling around I get some great sounds, get in the zone and kind of noodle around with it and then move on. I can imagine having some sequences stored on the mother to vary up some bass lines, have different drum and gate sequences on the circadian and a lot of live manipulation with the metropolis.

It's a matter of preference, but when I'm invited to play, I pre-patch my sets at home and perform them live. I prefer East Coast style modular and tend to try and create a live improvised song from a number of different sounds and sequences that I create at home. The performance may include some live patching, but usually I'm manipulating modules and other gear and mixing sounds to create the song from the sounds and sequences.

For open-mic performances, I will usually patch live and I'll experiment with different gear a lot more. It's my chance to take all the risks I want, and I take advantage of the opportunity. You can't really make a mistake in that environment since the audience is the performers and we're all trying new things.

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- Any modules you think that are absolutely necessary for playing live? I am not locked into this 12U by any means. realistically i'll end at 18U. I think a rosie would be nice to listen to sounds before bringing them into the mix.

Most of the posters here have given good advice. My only personal recommendations are to make sure your sync is tight and you have some control modules for triggering and adjusting sound and sequence parameters on the fly. I love Frames for that purpose, and I have a couple of new Trogotronic M/11 switch modules that do similar things.

I'm a big Rosie fan, but not to cue and listen to other things before bringing them in. It's usually way too noisy and things are happening too fast for that. I use it to switch between two completely different sounds/sequences that are happing at the same time. I can play the cue knob like a DJ fader between two patches which allows a lot of creative improvisation. I use the 1/4" stereo line output straight into my mixer [via a Kaoss pad] with an insert cable. Here's a link to a part of a Youtube video that shows how I use it. I also like the effect send/return and sometimes I'll use the return inputs for additional mixer channels.

The only other must-have module for me is a Pamela's Workout for sync and clocking purposes. I like your setup and the only module I would suggest is an A-151 sequential switch to get the full 12 steps out of the pressure points - both as a sequencer and a modulator expander. Ditch the MN Mult and it will be perfect there.

I'm at 21U and I don't want to go beyond that. It's nice to have a lot of modules to pick from, but having more U isn't everything and can become a liability at some point. I want my system to stay portable, and I'm just about at my limit. I really admire and envy the guys who make amazing music with only 9U. I'm hoping that having more U will allow me to perform much longer sets in the future as I improve my skills.

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- Future adds: a delay(chronoblob or 4ms), sampler (4ms) and possibly the sputnik keyboard. Definitely need some more mixers and vca's. Wouldn't mind a filter or two more.

Yes, yes (look at Clouds) and maybe. I feel the modular keyboards leave a lot to be desired and take up a lot of valuable rack space. I'd suggest using your HP for other modules, and get an external CV/Gate keyboard of a suitable flavor - maybe an SH-101 or a Minibrute or ???
captjrab
Great thread!
I'm putting together a show which I hope can with above average beer sales, become a monthly thing. The idea is get three performers set up and do a 15 minute round robin. So, the first person goes, gets a patch dialed in with a couple voices that can be crossfaded than after 15 min the next person crossfades in and takes over. This leaves person 1 with a 1/2 hour to get the next patch ready, get a refreshment or whatever. Meanwhile I have a film maker friend curating the visual end.
@memes_33 lets hook up a trans Bay cultural exchange.
strangegravity
A mixer for sure.
spudboyblues
captjrab

Thats a cool idea. By chance you in NYC? I'd love to show up to that.
bemerritt
Some really great info you guys have given me. Lots to think about. Here is where I am at with my rack, a lot of changes, and some still in the mail haha.

Anyways, here is a recording from the weekend. It was my first weekend with a beatstep pro. Felt like that was a good way to save some structures to work with in a live setting.



[s]https://soundcloud.com/brian-merritt/51416a[/s]
altheim
Helmey wrote:

I'm at 21U and I don't want to go beyond that. It's nice to have a lot of modules to pick from, but having more U isn't everything and can become a liability at some point. I want my system to stay portable, and I'm just about at my limit. I really admire and envy the guys who make amazing music with only 9U. I'm hoping that having more U will allow me to perform much longer sets in the future as I improve my skills.


Hi, I admit to being relatively new to using a Eurorack synth in performance (mostly in a studio setting with lots of time), but it's hard for me to imagine being able to use 21U at this point -- that sounds a bit overwhelming for a live setting. I'm currently at 6U (two rows of 84hp) and admittedly my synth is being used as a post-processor off of a guitar pedal rack, so I suppose much of my flexibility may be in the latter's footswitches. That sounds a bit like what you're saying about "manipulating modules and other gear and mixing sounds to create the song from the sounds and sequences". I'm using guitar pedals and a pair of optionally-synced (hacked) stereo Ditto looper pedals, so I've got the various timbres of a guitar (to begin with) and my feet to create variety, e.g.:

[s]http://soundcloud.com/barkhausen-206420257/long-lasting-happiness-t oo-long[/s]

Since one generally has so little time between songs (if any), I'm assuming that with 21U it's possible to effectively break a 21U synth into sections with various kinds of switches and configurable mixers. So in effect you'd have created multiple synths that you can switch between.

I guess what I'm curious about is how to "modularise a modular" without resorting to enormous expenditure, i.e., effectively buying several synths' worth of kit. My current setup can be found on modular Grid at Barkhausen Eurorack.

Perhaps a new thread on this is warranted...
altheim
Well, the Muff Wiggler characterisation of me as a "Learning to Wiggle" certainly seems true as regarding posting. The SoundCloud link of my post doesn't seem to work (all I'm seeing is "Loading Soundcloud..."), so noob apologies, here it is as a normal link:

Barkhausen: Long Lasting Happiness (too long).
wiggler81929
bemerritt wrote:
Some really great info you guys have given me. Lots to think about. Here is where I am at with my rack, a lot of changes, and some still in the mail haha.

Anyways, here is a recording from the weekend. It was my first weekend with a beatstep pro. Felt like that was a good way to save some structures to work with in a live setting.

The warm, warbling pads in the intro are great! How are you creating them? Also, what are you using for the kicks/misc-percussion? And, finally, I see that you have all the monome modules, so I assume you're live-sequencing this with a grid, or playing things by hand with Earthsea. How did the BSP fit into this arrangement when you already have a monome? (And since I don't see a Switch in this rack, how are you powering the grid?)

Nice work on this set!
noisejockey
This sounds like so much fun.

captjrab wrote:
Great thread!
I'm putting together a show which I hope can with above average beer sales, become a monthly thing. The idea is get three performers set up and do a 15 minute round robin. So, the first person goes, gets a patch dialed in with a couple voices that can be crossfaded than after 15 min the next person crossfades in and takes over. This leaves person 1 with a 1/2 hour to get the next patch ready, get a refreshment or whatever. Meanwhile I have a film maker friend curating the visual end.
@memes_33 lets hook up a trans Bay cultural exchange.
Lineofcontrol
Here is a better audio version of a live set I did a couple weekends ago...
Much more ambient, droney and exploratory than my usual. Drums come in near the end- i haven't gone totally crazy yet...

https://soundcloud.com/androiddreams...reaks-live-set

description:
100% live set. Recorded in 1 take. No post processing.
Equipment: Modular system with Braids and Malekko Richter Osc 2 as sound sources with Metropolis sequencing and Peaks providing LFO all through a SE 4075 arp2600 filter.
Master clock, samples and drums from Analog Rytm, Oberheim SEM comes in around 6:50 and Sh101 near the end... Enjoy!
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