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Author Blacet Mini Wave applications
matt.patey
So I've just bought a Blacet Mini Wave and am thinking of different ways of using it. If I understand correctly it can be used to quantize CV to different scales, which means, for example, that I could plug my Noise Ring into the input, and out would come random CVs quantized to a specific scale, right? What about doing wavetable synthesis like the Waldorf Microwave? How many MWs would I need to get similar sounds with my modular? It seems to me that for each MW you'd need an oscillator to accurately drive its pitch, correct? Sounds like it'd be an expensive way of doing WT synthesis with a modular...
Kwote
http://www.musicsynthesizer.com/MiniWave/MiniManual.html
Muff Wiggler
congrats! one of the best modules ever.

you can indeed use it as a quantizer - the onboard bank only supports a few scales, but the dedicated Scale Quantizer ROM is a *MUST HAVE* and gives you all the keys and modes... you are correct about the Noise Ring application, same can be done to great effect with Binary Zone, Woggle Bug etc etc etc

Wavetable/wavescanning synthesis, a la Microwave or Wavestation - again yes. Find the right banks (there's some dedicated ROMs available as well that are very nice). Find the right banks - some are intended for 'smooth' transitions from one wave to another, some will give a more 'signature' wavetable effect when the transitions are stepped and not smooth.... and yes you need to drive it with a rising sawtooth VCO if you want it to track in tune....

a good way to look at the miniwave is in steps of complexity of application - from simple to more complex, consider it as -

basic:

- a bank of alternate waveforms that you can't pull from a standard VCO - think 'complex' westcoast osc waveforms

- a wavetable scanning/synthesis voice

- a quantizer

waveshaping:

- a rectifier (with the right bank)

- a sample rate reducer (with the right bank)

- a non-linear distortion/waveshaping processor

cv generation:

- clock it really slowly and the waveform(s) become slowly evolving 'interesting' CV sources. some of the waveforms are great fun when used as a drum trigger or vca/gate CV source


hope that gives you some ideas to get started with this insanely powerful module!

have fun and let us know what cool shit you discover.... there's almost no limit to what you can do with this module. what an inspired design.
Bricks
Wow. funny. just yesterday I was thinking of posting a similar request - havent been using the Miniwave much and was curious to see how other people are using theirs.

Then I messed with it this afternoon and remembered why its so great!

Sweeping the PPM of the Alien Saws in the AFG give it another dimension too! They're more distorted than a standard saw, but could be right for some applications

I really need to get a 2nd ROM for it, but I cant decide which one to get and don't have room for the expander. Which do you guys like best?

Also - which wavebanks or ROMs are made to sound like bit reduction?
I get a lot of tones that remind of video game timbre (2a03, sid, pokey, etc) but don't know if any are specifically trying to sound like a certain bitrate.
parasitk
i have a full set of ROMs, and no Expander, but once I put in the Scale Quantizer it hasn't left my MiniWave. If you do a bit of sequencing, it's really an AMAZING ROM.
Muff Wiggler
Bricks wrote:
Also - which wavebanks or ROMs are made to sound like bit reduction?


Socket Rocket Bank 6 doesn't sound like it - it *is* "Bit Decimation".

From an 8bit representation of your waveform at wave 0, to 4bits by wave 7, 3bits at wave 11, to 1bit at wave 15

I always took the Malgorithm's description of "world's first voltage controlled bitcrusher" with a small grain of salt.... no slight whatsoever intended towards the wonderful Malgo though, that thing is fantastic and the Nyqust/Samplerate adjustment is utterly unique as far as I can tell, as is the bitwise waveshaping. Plus it just sounds so damn badass. anyway.
johnnymad
this thread is great. i'll be getting a miniwave if they're ever in stock again. reading about all that it can do is just getting me more excited! hyper
zerosum
Here are some examples of what I have done with mine:
http://www.zerosuminertia.com/studio/miniwave

Very caveman neanderthal "stick it here" type stuff.....

I didn't have a VCO at the time I made those(still don't),
But I knew I would find uses for the MW without a VCO while I wait to get a VCO.
Kwote
i'll get it however i can. back in stock/waveform city/maxi-wave if that ever comes out. i'm dying to rock it with the noisering amongst all it's other applications.

i have the scale quantizer rom waiting. it wants a home so badly smile
Babaluma
i have the standard rom, the socket rocket, morphine and scale quantiser. i don't have the expander module, but it's certainly not too hard to swap out the spare rom for a specific patch/application. i just wish they had made the standard rom socketed, so you could, for example, have the socket rocket and the scale quantiser, instead of always having to have the standard rom.

anyway, not to detract from the module as it is truly amazing, it's up there with my noise ring and time machines!
Kwote
hmmm. i thought it was socketed. maybe you have the older version? i know someone that has the socket rocket and scale quantizer rom in both of theirs. i think they built their's though so who knows if they bypassed the standard rom entirely or not.
Madcap Labs
The AFG is a wonderful driver for the Miniwave - set the right combo of PPW and PPM and the sound gets super-fat. Driving it with a sync'd saw (from any oscillator module) also yields a bunch of super-cool effects. I don't have a sawtooth animator, but if super-modulated Alien Saws from the AFG drive the Miniwave accurately, I see no reason why the output of a saw animator wouldn't.

Another patch I use all the time is short chattering sequences with the wave changing on every note via a sample n' hold patched into the wave select CV input. I've got two MWs, and often drive them in stereo with two slightly detuned saws, with any CV wave controls multed, so the both MWs are reading the same wave.

If you've got a Euro setup, the Plan B Wave Splicer is a must-have - setting up two different sounds on two MWs (you can drive them with the same saw osc) and moving slowly between them can be awesome - if you manipulate the splice point slowly, you can get all kindsa wild lightsaber noises.

I've never used the MW as a CV generator, though - off to try that right now!

Peace and love,

Ed
felix
This thread is making me very happy that I bought the plan b miniwave euro-conversion kit. grin

Now, to find someone who doesn't want their miniwave.
Cat-A-Tonic
The Metasonix TM-3 Dual Thyratron VCO is lovely for driving the Mini-Wave as well.

As displayed in a demo in the Window Comp. thread, the Mini-Wave kicks ass as a clock source!
http://share.ovi.com/media/Cat-A-Tonic.public/Cat-A-Tonic.10005

Add sequenced control of bank and wave select and watch out! eek!
I can't wait to get the HexZone finished so that I can try this idea out.
Madcap Labs
Oh, yeah, Cat-A-Tonic - I checked out that tracl on the Window Comp thread - it actually helped convince me to buy one. And I will *definitely check out the TM-3 with the MW - cool!

- E
matt.patey
Thanks everyone for your ideas. I can't wait to get my MW and try them out on it. Something tells me that this module combined with the Noise Ring will be unbelievable... One more thing, though. Is the BMW expander module (http://www.hylander.com/fracexpander.html) strictly DIY? I'd love to have the PPG (and others) ROMs all accessible without having to swap chips.
Muff Wiggler
David Hylander built my MW Expander for me.... I know he doesn't always do them, but he's a really friendly guy so drop him a line, and you never know!! It's definately worth it

as for the socketed ROM in the MW - both ROMs should have sockets. If someone has a MW where the 'stock' ROM is soldered directly to the board, this one would have been built from a kit, and the builder unfortunately omitted the socket - pretty bad news, as it means you're stuck with the ROM :(

They both have sockets normally - only different being the second ROM is in a LIF (low insertion force) socket, making it easier to change... the first ROM should be in a standard socket
Babaluma
just to clarify, my MW was blacet built, and yes, both roms are socketed, one normal, one LIF. so i realise i can just pry out the original rom and replace it with the scale quantiser? yay!!! then i can have scale quantiser and morphine, or socket rocket and scale quantiser!!! i am happy w00t
zerosum
Has anyone driven the miniwave with a Bi-N-Tic?

I would be interested in hearing that or hearing about that if anyone has experience with those two playing together.
Kwote
i know el clon has both of those modules but he doesn't post here much so don't know if he'd be able to bust a demo.
eyehue
MW kits are back in stock at Blacet!
Kwote
eyehue wrote:
MW kits are back in stock at Blacet!


i know. couldn't be worse timing. hopefully on the 19th they'll still be around cuz that's when i'm pretty sure i can cop one.

can't wait. i'm dying to quantize my Noise Ring. dying.
felix
OARDARED!

Bananallama!

My first frac module...although techincally it will be converted to euro. I got the socket rocket as well.
Kwote
felix wrote:
OARDARED!

Bananallama!

My first frac module...although techincally it will be converted to euro. I got the socket rocket as well.


fucker!! very frustrating

Congrats. hyper
synthetic
Damn. I spent my modular budget this month, like, four times already. But the MiniWave kit is tempting.
elemental
Cat-A-Tonic wrote:
The Metasonix TM-3 Dual Thyratron VCO is lovely for driving the Mini-Wave as well.


Aargghh!!
I've been curious about the TM-3 for a few years now. Now I'm curious again!!! But I have not the funds ... damn gear lust! razz
felix
synthetic wrote:
Damn. I spent my modular budget this month, like, four times already. But the MiniWave kit is tempting.

Yeah, this is the last thing I can buy this month, and possibly next. But I wanted to make sure I got one, and it should be a fun (and hopefully not frustrating) project.
elemental
I've actually been thinking of getting another one, probably in kit form as I want to get confident building kits so I can put together some more esoteric modules in the future.

I love the wave sounds... but also recently discovered quantizing with it. So 2 would be real nice!!
I'm looking to sell my doepfer quantizer ... I just got the hylander scale quantizer rom. One thing it cant do though that the doepfer one can is generate triggers when it switches pitch. Is there a module taht can do this? I thought maybe the window comparator might but it seems not. Something that generates a trigger/event with a given difference in the input voltage over a very small space of time. (Maybe a new thread is needed..)
question
plord
felix wrote:
... it should be a fun (and hopefully not frustrating) project.


The MW was my first DIY module, and I've since pulled it and put it behind a different panel (and re-wired all the jacks). It's pretty easy, though not completely idiot proof. Tips:

* Do not drop one of the 22pf capacitors. You'll never find the fucker.
* Standard advice: mind you don't get the chip sockets in backwards!
* Otherwise, stuffing the board is cake.
* Wiring jacks and pots is straightforward.
* The LEDs are the chinese finger puzzle of the whole exercise. You must get the 90 degree bends just right and the height off the PCB just right before you even think about picking up the iron, or else its nearly impossible to get them into the holes in the front panel. If possible, build to that point, skip the flying wires, and line up the LEDs *in place*, through the board loose, in the panel holes, then solder.

Congrats and enjoy!
eyehue
plord wrote:

* Otherwise, stuffing the board is cake.
* Wiring jacks and pots is straightforward.
* The LEDs are the chinese finger puzzle of the whole exercise. You must get the 90 degree bends just right and the height off the PCB just right before you even think about picking up the iron, or else its nearly impossible to get them into the holes in the front panel. If possible, build to that point, skip the flying wires, and line up the LEDs *in place*, through the board loose, in the panel holes, then solder.


i agree with plord, i recall the build being really easy. only trick is getting those LEDs in nice and uniform.
matt.patey
elemental wrote:
I've actually been thinking of getting another one, probably in kit form as I want to get confident building kits so I can put together some more esoteric modules in the future.

I love the wave sounds... but also recently discovered quantizing with it. So 2 would be real nice!!
I'm looking to sell my doepfer quantizer ... I just got the hylander scale quantizer rom. One thing it cant do though that the doepfer one can is generate triggers when it switches pitch. Is there a module taht can do this? I thought maybe the window comparator might but it seems not. Something that generates a trigger/event with a given difference in the input voltage over a very small space of time. (Maybe a new thread is needed..)
question


I can imagine how one could use an ASR module to do this (like with Plan-B's Model 23, e.g. compare output 1 with output 2 and see if they match), but I don't know of any ASR modules that exist for Frac (anyone?)...
matt.patey
Come to think of it, you could probably detect the change using a combination of Metalbox's Analogue Logic (http://metalbox.com/modules/analogic.html) and either his Slope Detector (http://metalbox.com/modules/slope.html), VC Divider (http://metalbox.com/modules/vcdiv.html), or Gate Comparator (http://metalbox.com/modules/gatedcomp.html). Using the divider or VC Comparator just OR the Up/Down outputs to detect change, and if you're using the Gate Comparator just OR outputs 1 and 2 to detect a change. If this works the way I think it would then I think you could make a pretty cool sounding arpeggiator, especially if you drive the MW with a random VC source such as the Noise Ring... So tempted to buy the slope and analogic modules to try this out... 8)
Babaluma
matt.patey wrote:

I can imagine how one could use an ASR module to do this (like with Plan-B's Model 23, e.g. compare output 1 with output 2 and see if they match), but I don't know of any ASR modules that exist for Frac (anyone?)...


michael ford built me a ken stone/cgs asr into a frac rack ear, it's super duper Guinness ftw!
Babaluma
today i swapped out the standard MW rom, it took less than five minutes. i now have the scale quantiser rom in slot one and the socket rocket rom in slot two (the LIF one), woooopppeeeeee!!!

SlayerBadger!
Kwote
Babaluma wrote:
i now have the scale quantiser rom in slot one and the socket rocket rom in slot two (the LIF one), woooopppeeeeee!!!

SlayerBadger!


that's how i'll be rollin once i get my hands on the MW.

back to sellin on ebay i go.
johnnymad
eyehue wrote:
MW kits are back in stock at Blacet!


w00t w00t i just ordered mine. i still need to finish building the hex zone though. i bought a frac rack a couple of weeks ago and i already need another one once i get the miniwave. very frustrating
Luka
i want one of these for my klee, have to call in some debts i think
Kwote
i'm on the hustle again. i hate it but i should have an MW already. fate already failed me once. not this time though.

it's probably crazy for me to think they'll sell out within just a week or two but i still feel the situation is urgent.

relatively speaking of course. i don't view gear acquisition as life and death. smile
matt.patey
Mine came in today, can't wait to try it out :-) I'll post a demo if I happen to come up with something interesting with it.
Kwote
one thing i'm finally starting to realize is pretty much any random voltage can be quantized. this gives me great hope for some very unpredictable and full of variety sequences.

can't wait. i mean shit it actually makes me feel like i need a whole other module for my ideals.

like a quantize module with atleast 4 or 6 seperate inputs and outputs each with a dedicated prom. then i could shove a scale quantizer prom into each signal path and quantize lots of stuff. Noiserings, Binary Zones, Psycho LFO's, Super Psycho's, etc. damn that would be hot!!!!!
Babaluma
the psim could do that! (well, 4 quantisers at a time) used to have one but sold it.
Luka
does anyone know how well the Qunatix8 compares to the miniwave?
elemental
matt.patey wrote:
Come to think of it, you could probably detect the change using a combination of Metalbox's Analogue Logic (http://metalbox.com/modules/analogic.html) and either his Slope Detector (http://metalbox.com/modules/slope.html), VC Divider (http://metalbox.com/modules/vcdiv.html), or Gate Comparator (http://metalbox.com/modules/gatedcomp.html). Using the divider or VC Comparator just OR the Up/Down outputs to detect change, and if you're using the Gate Comparator just OR outputs 1 and 2 to detect a change. If this works the way I think it would then I think you could make a pretty cool sounding arpeggiator, especially if you drive the MW with a random VC source such as the Noise Ring... So tempted to buy the slope and analogic modules to try this out... 8)


I just ordered (amongst a few others) the CGS Slope Detector PCB. Will probably be my first bare PCB build; need to practice on a couple of Blacet Kits first. That should turn the miniwave into some kind of arpegiator smile
johnnymad
Kwote wrote:
i'm on the hustle again. i hate it but i should have an MW already. fate already failed me once. not this time though.

it's probably crazy for me to think they'll sell out within just a week or two but i still feel the situation is urgent.

relatively speaking of course. i don't view gear acquisition as life and death. smile


i don't think they'll sell out in a week. if it took that long for them to be back in stock, i'm pretty sure blacet got a bunch of them.
Kwote
Babaluma wrote:
the psim could do that! (well, 4 quantisers at a time) used to have one but sold it.


cool. i might actually have an opportunity to get a Pism.

hmmm.....
Kwote
johnnymad wrote:
Kwote wrote:
i'm on the hustle again. i hate it but i should have an MW already. fate already failed me once. not this time though.

it's probably crazy for me to think they'll sell out within just a week or two but i still feel the situation is urgent.

relatively speaking of course. i don't view gear acquisition as life and death. smile


i don't think they'll sell out in a week. if it took that long for them to be back in stock, i'm pretty sure blacet got a bunch of them.


i know. i'm just a total nut and i've been lusting for a mini-wave for quite some time.
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