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Prototypes of CotK C 1660 and C 906A
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Author Prototypes of CotK C 1660 and C 906A
phaedra
I got the white version of the C 1660 Phase Processor
and the C 906A Low Pass Gate this week and I want to show
you a picture of it.
In addition I have a little soundclip of a processed Nord Lead 3 sound for you.

JohnLRice
Awesome, phaedra! Thanks for posting. I'm excited to get my own C1660 (maybe in the next month or so?) and I'm pleased that it sounds so nice! Are you modulating it with a sequencer about halfway through the clip?
phaedra
Hi John,
yes, at first the internal LFO works slowly with low amount and then a C 960 CV modulation also with low amount appears at the exp.control input additionally. It is really an amazing tool.
I don't know when the first black ones will leave Lisboa, but I hope soon.
drewtoothpaste
Hey, the COTK shill showed up to... shill for COTK! Surprise.
JohnLRice
drewtoothpaste wrote:
Hey, the COTK shill showed up to... shill for COTK! Surprise.


I AM NOT A SHILL FOR COTK! angry
bwhittington
"Shill, Baby, Shill . . . " Mr. Green

phaedra
JohnLRice wrote:
drewtoothpaste wrote:
Hey, the COTK shill showed up to... shill for COTK! Surprise.


I AM NOT A SHILL FOR COTK! angry


Good morning, John,
this specialist for the worldwide scene, who knows all and everyone, means me.
Let him his fun, in the meantime we are using the modules, ok?
applause
Better a shill for CotK than a shill for stupidity.
bwhittington
phaedra wrote:
Better a shill for CotK than a shill for stupidity.


Well said, Kazike!

I kid, I kid. Now where did I put my gin?

Cheers,
Brian
phaedra
hihi Hey you little internet Columbo,
sometimes I wished it would be so, especially on days when my invoices came in.
As long as you don't name me Grenader I'm able to live with your error. Soapbox
Take a look at the Plan B threads what I have to do with this special american boy and then ask yourself, why Kazike needs some modules from Plan B d'oh!
JohnLRice
lol for all who understand! thumbs up
Spiked Lunch
Hey Phaedra, they look like interesting modules!

Do you have any close up pics?
phaedra
Hi Mike,
do you mean the prototypes or the rest of my system?

In a few days I will get my third 1P unit, then I will make some better close ups than I have at the moment.
But as good as the pictures are, the sound of my machine is always better.

Here is one of the C 1650 Rhythm Controller, the C 961S Gate Sequencer and the C 928 Sample & Hold Unit:



@John: At the bottom of the C 1650 you see the two adapter cables, which are connected to my Steinberg MIDEX 8 MIDI Interface. So I'm able to control several tools like NI Battery 3, Clavia Nord Modular G2 or other MIDI equipment. It works really good, especially when I'm modulating the instruments or the patterns by any CV source through the CV-X/Y - Input.
Controlled surprise!
essex sound lab
The only problem with all this talk of COTK is that it ultimately leads to the heartache of actually doing business with COTK.
Spiked Lunch
Close ups of the prototypes would be nice - are you beta testing them for COTK?

Your system looks very nice, Phaedra. COTK appear to make some interesting modules, some of which I would like to get in the future razz
SynthBaron
essex sound lab wrote:
The only problem with all this talk of COTK is that it ultimately leads to the heartache of actually doing business with COTK.


I tried. I gave up.
drewtoothpaste
JLR - I don't mean you (which it sounds like you already know, but still.)
phaedra
essex sound lab wrote:
The only problem with all this talk of COTK is that it ultimately leads to the heartache of actually doing business with COTK.


I'm in good health.
phaedra
Mike Lynch wrote:
Close ups of the prototypes would be nice - are you beta testing them for COTK?

Your system looks very nice, Phaedra. COTK appear to make some interesting modules, some of which I would like to get in the future razz


Yes, I do some beta testing, but I'm more the musician than a technician.
I will make close ups of the prototypes this weekend, but there is a good graphic of the C 1660 on Kazikes website. The Phase Processor is near the finishing, only some fine tunings will be made by Kazike.
The C 906A Low Pass Gate is a 30 dB modified Moog cascade with resonance and is able to be controlled with 1V/oct. In addition there is a feedback option like you have it on the Minimoog feeding the audio input with its own output. Further there are two CV controlled VCA with a switch so you are able to control whether the filter frequency alone or filter frequency and the first VCA by one EG or so. The second VCA is used for example for tremolo effect. Maybe something will be modified, we are in discussion, but it is only a question of control, not of the filter or VCA technique.
drewtoothpaste
phaedra wrote:


Yes, I do some beta testing, but I'm more the musician than a technician.


Your only posts are either slamming other manufacturers or talking about how much you love COTK and have all their new modules, it's pretty obvious you're a shill.
essex sound lab
phaedra wrote:
essex sound lab wrote:
The only problem with all this talk of COTK is that it ultimately leads to the heartache of actually doing business with COTK.


I'm in good health.


WRT this particular illness, that would make you one of the few...possibly VERY few from what I've seen.

Since you seem to know Kazike so well, you may want to give him some friendly advice about how to treat customers.
NV
The Phase Processor is still only a prototype? Hasn't it been up on the site available to order for almost two years?
sunsinger
Pheadra, dude, you must be a glutton for punishment. Though you may be well intentioned, every time you come on here extolling the virtues of COTK, and Kazike, you get into a brawl.

I suggest you let Mr. Kazike come on line here intro his own products, and explain why so many here, who have a bad opinion of his customer service and communication, may be mistaken regarding his intentions.

I would not want to have my ass handed to me every time I came onto Muff's. It's happened to me a few times, and isn't pleasant.
MY ASS IS BLEEDING
drewtoothpaste
What's amazing to me is how a person supposedly not related to a manufacturer gets their modules before anyone else and posts on a modular synth forum about how much they love the modules.

"I'm not affiliated with Pepsi, but let me just say that Coke sucks and the new Pepsi shit coming out is going to blow your dick out with how awesome it tastes."
phaedra
@drewtoothpaste: I think you aren't able to read.
You can write what you want, as long as people like John or Mike are interested in news from the presence I will give some information.
If somebody has a problem with Kazike, you must no I'm not his mentor, but his beta tester. Over and out.
And I'm not slamming or bashing any other manufacturers, show me a line where I did this. Next shot in the dark.
The only one is Plan B, because I had and have a very intensive experience with personal loss.

@sunsinger: hihi As long as I know what happens it is half so bad as you believe. I divide the groups and every gets its answer (or not before it goes into stupidity).

@NV: For technical information: The C 1660 is a new prototype, because it is redesigned from the older concept. Yes, two years are a long time.
DonaldCrunk
phaedra wrote:
hey guys check out all this cool stuff i got that you can't get without a lot of pain, effort and waiting


this is basically what i get out of this thread.

if we fat capitalist american pigs could actually buy this shit and get it sooner than 1 year later without it being all busted up your threads would be heralded like the second coming of christ.

as it is, well, we can't. i hope that explains where some of us are coming from.
SynthBaron
DonaldCrunk wrote:
phaedra wrote:
hey guys check out all this cool stuff i got that you can't get without a lot of pain, effort and waiting


this is basically what i get out of this thread.

if we fat capitalist american pigs could actually buy this shit and get it sooner than 1 year later without it being all busted up your threads would be heralded like the second coming of christ.

as it is, well, we can't. i hope that explains where some of us are coming from.


This.
phaedra
DonaldCrunk wrote:
phaedra wrote:
hey guys check out all this cool stuff i got that you can't get without a lot of pain, effort and waiting


this is basically what i get out of this thread.

if we fat capitalist american pigs could actually buy this shit and get it sooner than 1 year later without it being all busted up your threads would be heralded like the second coming of christ.

as it is, well, we can't. i hope that explains where some of us are coming from.


This line you mention on top I've never written.
Please don't quote me in your own words.
The rest is your own interpretation.
I hope your avatar is not an example for you to solve this problem.
essex sound lab
phaedra wrote:
DonaldCrunk wrote:
phaedra wrote:
hey guys check out all this cool stuff i got that you can't get without a lot of pain, effort and waiting


this is basically what i get out of this thread.

if we fat capitalist american pigs could actually buy this shit and get it sooner than 1 year later without it being all busted up your threads would be heralded like the second coming of christ.

as it is, well, we can't. i hope that explains where some of us are coming from.


This line you mention on top I've never written.
Please don't quote me in your own words.
The rest is your own interpretation.


Surely you understand the point he's getting at. If you truly don't...

Having just double-checked I can only find ONE POST you've ever made that wasn't either about Plan B or was promoting COTK in some way. ONE.

It's pretty obvious that you have a close relationship with Kazike, otherwise you wouldn't have prototype modules in your rack and have insights into his thinking, plans and designs. And even business models! You once explained to us why Kazike would "never" use a distributor.

Please step back for ONE MOMENT to realize how annoying this is to those of us that have had miserable experiences purchasing from Kazike. And the possibility that people may want to warn others about what they may be getting into if they decide they want to buy one. Surely you of all people should understand the last point.

Instead of using you to promote his new modules, Kazike should come here and alleviate concerns about his ability to satisfy customers. And if you're truly doing this on your own...please understand that this will likely be the reception you'll continue to get.
DonaldCrunk
phaedra wrote:
This line you mention on top I've never written.
Please don't quote me in your own words.
The rest is your own interpretation.
I hope your avatar is not an example for you to solve this problem.


sorry, i thought i was gentle.

if you don't like the way you are being treated, maybe you should be more proactive about unfucking people's bad COTK experiences.

right now you ARE the voice of COTK on this forum, whether you like it or not. as ESL mentioned, you have some kind of connection - that means you're going to catch a lot of shit. sorry that you're butthurt over it, but as i see it you can either man up and try to repair people's perception of the company you're affiliated with or go home and cry. right now you're doing the latter.

we slovenly americans have a saying - if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.


and no my avatar is not going to jump out of the screen and shoot you. calm down.
mome rath
phaedra wrote:

I hope your avatar is not an example for you to solve this problem.


USA!! USA!! USA!!

NUMBER ONE (1)

DonaldCrunk
jjq
What the fuck are you people up to?

Trying to get Phaedra of the forum?

I come to this forum to learn as much as posible about diferent modules and manufacturers. Ive read and understod that there's a lot of problems with ordering from COTK, but it can work. And they occasionaly turn up on ebay. I for one want to see and hear as much as posible about COTKs modules. And Phaedra isnt the only one here who actualy use them.
Spiked Lunch
jjq wrote:
What the fuck are you people up to?

Trying to get Phaedra of the forum?

I come to this forum to learn as much as posible about diferent modules and manufacturers. Ive read and understod that there's a lot of problems with ordering from COTK, but it can work. And they occasionaly turn up on ebay. I for one want to see and hear as much as posible about COTKs modules. And Phaedra isnt the only one here who actualy use them.


I kinda agree with this - obviously COTK have pissed a great number of people off and people are worried about sending any business their way, and rightly so!

Phaedra may know Kazike but he's not responsible for his actions. I also do agree that Kazike should make an appearance on here, take it like a man and try and right some of his wrongs! I think that'd be a wise business move as people here clearly want his modules but don't want the hassle associated in trying to obtain them.

Mike (hides)
drewtoothpaste
WHY YOU NO LET ME POST ABOUT KIM JONG IL FANTASTIC LEADER MODULES? ALL TALK OF KIM JONG IL PUT PEOPLE TO DIE IN PRISON IS FALSE. KIM JONG IL MODULES ARE BEST MODULES.
drewtoothpaste
I AM NOT PART OF NORTH KOREA. I SIMPLY ADMIRE GREAT SKILL OF KIM JONG IL
SynthBaron
lol
jjq
Seriusly, thats not a very valid simile. Thats even a quite childish response. Whos paylist are you on? If thats is the tone for the discussion?


BTW, I am a communist, good guess applause
drewtoothpaste
jjq wrote:
I have four posts on this forum, all of which are about COTK, and here I am magically popping up in this thread.


Cool, welcome to the board Kazike... I mean Phaedra.... I mean "jjq".
xart
drewtoothpaste wrote:
WHY YOU NO LET ME POST ABOUT KIM JONG IL FANTASTIC LEADER MODULES? ALL TALK OF KIM JONG IL PUT PEOPLE TO DIE IN PRISON IS FALSE. KIM JONG IL MODULES ARE BEST MODULES.



Dear Leader Kim Jong Il is one of the leading figures in the avant-garden rokcs the bongobox!

http://vimeo.com/user2274914
thumbs up
JohnLRice
Regarless of who someone may or may not be, I totally welcome anyone who wants to post pictures, sounds clips, videos and discuss COTK products. (or ANY 5U stuff! thumbs up )

I'd hate to see someone who is providing good information be scared off by rampant conspiracy theorists. meh waah (and I do really like a good conspiracy theory! Mr. Green )
sunsinger
JohnLRice wrote:
Regarless of who someone may or may not be, I totally welcome anyone who wants to post pictures, sounds clips, videos and discuss COTK products. (or ANY 5U stuff! thumbs up )

I'd hate to see someone who is providing good information be scared off by rampant conspiracy theorists. meh waah (and I do really like a good conspiracy theory! Mr. Green )


I totally agree with you John... Why shit, just the humor content of these pheadra and Drewtoothpaste volleys are killing me.

@ Drewtoothpaste, please, do a gestalt with this stuff. Make please hilarious COTK, pheadra, Red Square videos of this. Five Times Make it Clean make me to fall on floor... HaHaHa Trampoline lol!
chromium
I enjoyed the demos and pics too thumbs up

My lonely COTK module is so nicely executed. They are obviously a talented builder, and its too bad that they have these challenges with their soft skills and integrity.

waah
essex sound lab
For the record, I'm not trying to scare anybody off...and i like hearing about nifty new modules as much as the next guy.

It would just be nice to see/hear some evidence of Kazike acknowledging customer frustration and doing something about it in addition to designing more modules. The latter without the former is simply frustrating.
phaedra
I stay in the kitchen, temperature is comfortable.

Any further technical questions or remarks? John, Mike and all the others who are really interested, don't hesitate.
But I can only give information about the modules I have.
jjq
>>drewtoothpaste.

You have some kind of obsession about this.
My ponytail is shorter than Kazikes, and Im swedish. Cant you tell by my accent? hihi

Ive only 4 posts to this board because Im new to the modular world, only have a few(3) .com modules, mainly to sequence my Mini & Xpander. Been lurking here and modularsynth.net for years. You can find me on vintagesynth where Ive been a little more active. hihi

I just want as much, pics, videos, soundfiles etc. as posible about the modules that interest me. Mos-lab, .com, COTK and the Lunar-stuff realty interset me. And I think your paranoia could get in the way of my search for information. sad banana

And your funny fake quotes realy piss me off. Dead Banana
phaedra
Here is another CotK machine with a C 950 Polyclavier. No, its not mine, this one is located in Palermo, Sicilia, Italy.
Really pretty, I think.

JohnLRice
Beautiful system, phaedra! Kazike told me that this one is in a University. Those are some lucky students who take the electronic music classes there! love
essex sound lab
It is gorgeous, there's no denying that.

I like the wine bottles in the shot...
DonaldCrunk
d'oh!
phaedra
JohnLRice wrote:
Beautiful system, phaedra! Kazike told me that this one is in a University. Those are some lucky students who take the electronic music classes there! love


This is a pivate system, the machine in the university is another one. Maybe Kazike has a shot in the light of it, I will ask him at the next occasion.
essex sound lab
DonaldCrunk wrote:
d'oh!


Yeah well, that's the whole problem isn't it?
jjq
essex sound lab wrote:
DonaldCrunk wrote:
d'oh!


Yeah well, that's the whole problem isn't it?



??? I dont get it. PM me if Im stupid help
Spiked Lunch
I take it that d'oh! is an expression of how much people really want COTK modules but are unwilling to do business with the guy.
jjq
Got it. Thanks w00t
nerdware
Maybe it helps if you can speak German?
jjq
Im swedish damn it Guinness ftw!

No sorry, nicht a single word lol
essex sound lab
Mike Lynch wrote:
I take it that d'oh! is an expression of how much people really want COTK modules but are unwilling to do business with the guy.


Well that's my interpretation of the d'oh! And these posts from his fans only feed the flames, without solving the root problem.
SynthBaron
Mike Lynch wrote:
I take it that d'oh! is an expression of how much people really want COTK modules but are unwilling to do business with the guy.


I'm willing to do business with him, it's just that he's not communicative. I put an order in December for the Polymoog resonator module, and he said he would request payment a couple of months later. Nothing...
drewtoothpaste
I feel obligated to point out the obvious just for the people whose gear lust is going to drive them to tilt at windmills trying to get the white whale. Some of y'all think you're Ishmael and gonna get surprised when it turns out you're Ahab.

Where's the emoticon for being dragged down into the ocean by your own patch cable?
DonaldCrunk
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

look, phaerdra, when i said 'if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' i didn't mean you should get off the forum. you've got a big ass system that's certainly capable of some bad ass noises. we all love to hear that shit.

you can be a contributing member of the community without trying to sell COTK modules that we can't get anyway. hang out, be honest. that's all we want.

let kazike deal with his issues, as you've mentioned he's not your responsibility. do your own thing.
sunsinger
Paging Kazike... Paging Mr. Kazike...Mr. Kazike, please answer the white courtesy phone. Paging Kazike......... poke
phaedra
jjq wrote:
Im swedish damn it Guinness ftw!

No sorry, nicht a single word lol


An Anfang is made, cheers Guinness ftw!
phaedra
@Synth Baron: This C 1610 Resonators/Fixed Filters, not available because of prototyping, and the one you see in the Palermo system (upper row in the middle) are the only one built units so far. There was a lot of finetuning to do and now (I suppose, I don't know any step Kazike does) the production of some units will start.

JohnLRice
Hi phaedra,

Any chance of getting a demo of the C1610 Resonators? hyper I've really enjoyed listening to your demo of the C1660 Phase Processor! 8_)
JohnLRice
Phaedra, I made a little video out of your C1660 demo, I hope you don't mind!

phaedra
JohnLRice wrote:
Hi phaedra,

Any chance of getting a demo of the C1610 Resonators? hyper I've really enjoyed listening to your demo of the C1660 Phase Processor! 8_)


Hi John,
many thanks for the video.
My C 1610 is on the way to me (the black one) and the white one is on the way to Kazike. I've only some technical demos here which are not good enough. I will make some new demos, but the influence of the resonator is more subtile than the sound modulations of the C 1660.
But it is also a good and different tool to work out a sound.
While beta-testing I tried much with "classic" sounds of my VA Synthesizer Clavia Nord Lead 3 and Kazike did some or more fine tuning because of the results.
Now I'm excited about the original module I will get in a few days.
I will do my best.
phaedra
Here is a simple soundfile using the C 1610 Resonator (the black one). Kazike did some excellent fine tuning in relation to the prototype, the official one sounds really good.
In the background is a simple sequence. In the beginning you hear the original sound of my Nord Lead 3, then I went through the different Pass Filters sending the output through a VCA. In the second half I modified the parameters of the C 911 working on the C 902.
sunsinger
Paging Kazike... Paging Mr. Kazike.......Paging Kazike... Please answer the white courtesy phone......
phaedra
The C 1660 has gone black (John, stay calm, your's in progress 8_) ).
Also the C 905 Reverberation Unit and the C 964 Ratchet Sequencer are ready. Maybe there is some fine tuning for the Ratchet to do, we are testing it.
Also remarkable are the new and until today never seen CP1C Halfsize Panels, for example bottom left. Like on the Minimoog mixer it is possible to switch 4 input chanels separately on or off. An additional fifth input with bipolarity and a 1-3 multiple fulfill the module.
The keyboard is a C 950 prototype with actual software made by Georg Mahr.
Don't wonder about the Moog Satellite above the Upper Cabinets, I use it to check the analog effects of the CotK machine. The Phase Processor for example makes some heavy sounds with the more thin output of this little old "Moog".

JohnLRice
Great synth you have there, phaedra! love
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