MUFF WIGGLER Forum Index
 FAQ & Terms of UseFAQ & Terms Of Use   Wiggler RadioMW Radio   Muff Wiggler TwitterTwitter   Support the site @ PatreonPatreon 
 SearchSearch   RegisterSign up   Log inLog in 
WIGGLING 'LITE' IN GUEST MODE

F-2 pedal
MUFF WIGGLER Forum Index -> Metasonix  
Author F-2 pedal
metasonix
I've also got videos of it with guitar. It's aimed mostly at that market--basically an R54 filter with a preamp in front and set up for use as a pre/distortion/wah with an expression pedal. Yes it can be used with synth etc in the normal ways. Yes you could use it as a Hz-v VCO or filter. Yes it's standalone because we keep getting requests for standalone. Yes it accepts either instrument or line signals thru 2 inputs. Yes it has 2 outputs. Bonus: planning to make the first 20 pieces with different random/stupid internet memes on the panel art. Collect 'em all!
weinglas
This looks like lots of mind-mangling fun! SlayerBadger!
bcomnes
gotta have a skinny dick for panel 4...if it don't fit don't force it
metasonix
Fixed:

Crowyote
MY ASS IS BLEEDING

This seems to be exactly what I was hoping for?

What tubes is it sporting?

In addition to the awesome smooth thick vocal sweeping wah tones in the vid there seems to be some very granular popping or clipping going on . . . is this inherent in the circuit or an artifact that arose in the course of recording the video? Is that the ring mod part of the circuit going crazy? Carrier input?
metasonix
Crowyote wrote:
What tubes is it sporting?

5U8s. Very easy to find. It also takes 6GH8/6U8.

Quote:
In addition to the awesome smooth thick vocal sweeping wah tones in the vid there seems to be some very granular popping or clipping going on . . . is this inherent in the circuit or an artifact that arose in the course of recording the video? Is that the ring mod part of the circuit going crazy? Carrier input?

There is no ring mod. It just does that, esp when overdriven hard.
theantiroman
This sounds great! I especially like the dual jacks! And the popping resonance effects. When is it getting released?
Crowyote
metasonix wrote:
Crowyote wrote:
What tubes is it sporting?

5U8s. Very easy to find. It also takes 6GH8/6U8.

Quote:
In addition to the awesome smooth thick vocal sweeping wah tones in the vid there seems to be some very granular popping or clipping going on . . . is this inherent in the circuit or an artifact that arose in the course of recording the video? Is that the ring mod part of the circuit going crazy? Carrier input?

There is no ring mod. It just does that, esp when overdriven hard.



Cool that's the filter tube from the KV-100. I love it's character. I never noticed pops on the Assblaster though.

Can the pops be eliminated by using one output or the other?
chvad
yeah that demo has me really interested. sounds awesome.

" Can the pops be eliminated by using one output or the other?"
ditto... is that fairly controllable?
metasonix
chvad wrote:
" Can the pops be eliminated by using one output or the other?"
ditto... is that fairly controllable?

I'm going to figure that you are referring to the places when the filter sweeps into very deep bass. Yes you can control that by adjusting the offset.

It has a much wider sweep range than most "regular" wah pedals. Goes deep into the below-20 Hz area if you desire. It's BETTER! Buy one!
Yes Powder
metasonix wrote:
I'm going to figure that you are referring to the places when the filter sweeps into very deep bass. Yes you can control that by adjusting the offset.


I think the thing they're referring to is the jitter that starts showing itself around the middle of the video and become very prominent by the end.
I had assumed it was an encoding error, especially since no knobs (on the pedal at least) are being tweaked.
otoskope
ElectricNoises wrote:
I think the thing they're referring to is the jitter that starts showing itself around the middle of the video and become very prominent by the end.
I had assumed it was an encoding error, especially since no knobs (on the pedal at least) are being tweaked.


Yes, that indeed sounds like a digital artefact of the encoding error kind. If you are able to make your tubes sound like that, I'm impressed, Eric. hyper (Well, I always am by your stuff.)
Yes Powder
otoskope wrote:
[ you are able to make your tubes sound like that, I'm impressed


Actually I bet you can get a similar sound by sending random pulses into the Pulser Input of the R-53. I'm not at home right now though, so i can't test this at the moment.
metasonix
That must be YouTube fucking up. It's not in the original file. I'll delete and reupload it.

Here's another video. Lets see if YT screws this up too.....

Crowyote
Sounds better. I definitely want it.

But, uh, get yourself a GoPro or something and record with a second separate stereo source like a SM57. Your pedals deserve better sounding demos. There are still pops there, but I can tell clearly now that they are from your recording device or encoding errors.
albiedamned
How exactly would you get a line signal into this? I'm guessing you'd have to use a insert cable (y cable) with the line source connected to the return/ring half and the send/tip half left unconnected. Is that right?

One more question - what voltage range will the CV input respond to?

And a request - could you post a video running synths or drum loops through it, and wiggle the controls?
YellowBlood
metasonix wrote:
chvad wrote:
" Can the pops be eliminated by using one output or the other?"
ditto... is that fairly controllable?

I'm going to figure that you are referring to the places when the filter sweeps into very deep bass. Yes you can control that by adjusting the offset.

It has a much wider sweep range than most "regular" wah pedals. Goes deep into the below-20 Hz area if you desire. It's BETTER! Buy one!


Hey Eric, BCM going to have stock?
metasonix
Quote:
BCM going to have stock?

soon as we can finish some....

albiedamned wrote:
How exactly would you get a line signal into this? I'm guessing you'd have to use a insert cable (y cable) with the line source connected to the return/ring half and the send/tip half left unconnected. Is that right?

yes

Quote:
One more question - what voltage range will the CV input respond to?

0-10v

Quote:
And a request - could you post a video running synths or drum loops through it, and wiggle the controls?

we will see. I still can't upload videos to YT without getting error messages. Arrrggggg.
albiedamned
metasonix wrote:
albiedamned wrote:
How exactly would you get a line signal into this? I'm guessing you'd have to use a insert cable (y cable) with the line source connected to the return/ring half and the send/tip half left unconnected. Is that right?

yes


That's a pretty odd design choice. Why didn't you use a standard mono jack with a switch to go between Inst and Line?
depth20
Will it be avalibale in Europe also?
metasonix
albiedamned wrote:
Why didn't you use a standard mono jack with a switch to go between Inst and Line?

So there are two inputs at once, mixed, okay? I figger with 2 inputs and 2 outputs no one can complain it "doesn't have enough features".

Quote:
Will it be avalibale in Europe also?

If dealers in Europe order some. I still have to finish some production units and add it to website and price list.
albiedamned
metasonix wrote:
albiedamned wrote:
Why didn't you use a standard mono jack with a switch to go between Inst and Line?

So there are two inputs at once, mixed, okay? I figger with 2 inputs and 2 outputs no one can complain it "doesn't have enough features".


Well I guess I'm no one, cause I just did complain smile. Putting separate inputs on the tip and ring (and separate outputs too) is probably going to befuddle the average person (aka guitar players). And while I get it and I have extra insert cables that I can use for this, it's certainly an inconvenience. Either a switch or separate jacks for each function would have been better. That's my two cents.
slow_riot
albiedamned, you might want to think about the years/decades of (likely unpaid) research required to design interesting music circuits, combined with the huge financial exposure that one undertakes as a creative small business owner in a cut-throat market when nitpicking small details like that. I'm sure you have honest intentions to provide feedback as a user, but at this late stage in the design phase, your options are to buy one, or not.
Villarceau
A tube preamp and a R-54 in one box? No euro power and case required?
Awesome.
albiedamned
slow_riot wrote:
albiedamned, you might want to think about the years/decades of (likely unpaid) research required to design interesting music circuits, combined with the huge financial exposure that one undertakes as a creative small business owner in a cut-throat market when nitpicking small details like that. I'm sure you have honest intentions to provide feedback as a user, but at this late stage in the design phase, your options are to buy one, or not.


I understand all that. And maybe I'm the only one who thinks this is a weird design choice. But you do have to admit it's unusual. I can't think of any other devices offhand that have completely separate inputs and outputs on the tip and ring of a single connection. I'm sure someone is going to respond to this and point out other devices which do this to prove me wrong. Obviously there are devices with stereo inputs and outputs using the tip and ring, and there are insert connections which have an output and an input on the tip and ring. And of course there are balanced connections. But to have two completely separate signals on the tip and ring seems unusual, and I think it will make life difficult for the average user. Again, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way. I do think Eric would be wise to ask for feedback earlier in the process, rather than presenting it as a finished product. Maybe he did ask for feedback though, and none of the people gave him the feedback I'm giving.

But you're right, at this point my options are to buy or not buy.
Cat-A-Tonic
Villarceau wrote:
A tube preamp and a R-54 in one box? No euro power and case required?
Awesome.

^ This.

Great sounding product.

Probably the most accessible Metasonix product IMO.

For any instrumentalist curious about Metasonix,
yet not wanting to go deeper in budget or more modulation features,
this seems like a no-brainer.

I love using my pile of Metasonix gear for basically the same thing this pedal does + more.

I reckon it'll be a home run. Rockin' Banana!

I made a thread to promote it over on the TalkBass forum.

If you do another demo with a bass guitar it may sell a few.
Crowyote
albiedamned wrote:
metasonix wrote:
albiedamned wrote:
Why didn't you use a standard mono jack with a switch to go between Inst and Line?

So there are two inputs at once, mixed, okay? I figger with 2 inputs and 2 outputs no one can complain it "doesn't have enough features".


Well I guess I'm no one, cause I just did complain smile. Putting separate inputs on the tip and ring (and separate outputs too) is probably going to befuddle the average person (aka guitar players). And while I get it and I have extra insert cables that I can use for this, it's certainly an inconvenience. Either a switch or separate jacks for each function would have been better. That's my two cents.


I think a guitar player can just use a 1/4" TS cable to get the correct input. Yes?
metasonix
Quote:
I think a guitar player can just use a 1/4" TS cable to get the correct input. Yes?

It is arranged so that it works normally as a monophonic effect using typical guitar cables. If you want the extra features, get TRS adapter cables and there they are.

Cat-A-Tonic wrote:
I made a thread to promote it over on the TalkBass forum.

That's something you good folks can do: talk about it on other forums. Please?
glia
i'm just hearing the fantastic demos


is it out yet? checked the usual suspects and found nothing...

also, same price as an F1 or what?
metasonix
[s]https://soundcloud.com/metasonix/f-2drumboxwav[/s]
Kujo
Keeping an eye out on availability of the F-2 in Europe.
metasonix
Okay, Big City Music has a couple of them in stock right now, and more are going to Analogue Haven and Robotspeak today.

If you guys in Europe want one via a local dealer, please build a fire under said local dealer to place an order. Getting crickets here.
Kujo
I put my hands on a second hand F-1 being shipped to me from NY .

metasonix wrote:
If you guys in Europe want one via a local dealer, please build a fire under said local dealer to place an order. Getting crickets here.


I'll be e-mailing two of my dealers requesting the F-2 condom warmer in the next month .
Crowyote
Here's hoping Perfect Circuit Audio gets some. They are the only vendor that occasionally puts your pedals on Reverb so I can buy them with Affirm.
timoka
sounds great, absolutely great!
but this also means now that there's no chance of a r-54 in smaller rk form?
albiedamned
timoka wrote:
sounds great, absolutely great!
but this also means now that there's no chance of a r-54 in smaller rk form?


Yes, I would like to know that as well. I was hoping for an RK-sized, 1 tube version of the R54.
Metrorobotikon
https://reverb.com/item/2816830-metasonix-f-2-pedal-2016-serial-7-spec ial-edition-vacuum-tube

w00t w00t
Crowyote
Metrorobotikon wrote:
https://reverb.com/item/2816830-metasonix-f-2-pedal-2016-serial-7-spec ial-edition-vacuum-tube

w00t w00t


Yerp! Affirm denied me because I just bought a Sherman Filterbank 2 last week! Man that thing is blowin my mind too.

I have my doubts that particular F-2 will still be around in the 3-4 weeks it will take me to carve out room on my credit line, but hopefully another will come up for sale soon.

Dead Banana
metasonix
albiedamned wrote:
timoka wrote:
but this also means now that there's no chance of a r-54 in smaller rk form?

Yes, I would like to know that as well. I was hoping for an RK-sized, 1 tube version of the R54.

That's being planned for release in the winter---if we can make some decent $$ in the next 3 months.
Crowyote
Metrorobotikon wrote:
https://reverb.com/item/2816830-metasonix-f-2-pedal-2016-serial-7-spec ial-edition-vacuum-tube

w00t w00t


I got it. It will remind me to quit my worst habit.
Crowyote
Ok. Got mine. So far it has been successful in reminding me to control my monkey-cock-eating habit.

I love the gold-on-yellow color scheme. I also like the recessed knobs and red lights, but the knobs are REALLY recessed. Any way to raise em up a tad?

Functionally, I'm very impressed with this thing. The resonance does so much more than I expected, allowing sort of droning background textures to a tremolo kind of effect depending on where the frequency knob is set. I also find the range of distortion tones quite tasty.

I have lots of extra 5U8 and 6GH8 type tubes I'd like to roll. Can the two types be mixed at all?

Any trimmers or secrets inside this thing like in the F-1 . . . or is that a future reveal?

Planning to record a few samples this week when my new headphones arrive.
johnwynberg
Kujo wrote:
Keeping an eye out on availability of the F-2 in Europe.


The F-2 is now available from Escape from Noise: http://escapefromnoise.com/nyinkommet/metasonix-f2/

But with the Dollar on the rise, the Pound closer to parity, and the Euro in between… it costs €509! cry

And just after I bought an RK-1, whilst still waiting for an RK-2. For now, I'll have to keep playing my guitar through the R-54, via a Black Locust, as a consolation.
Kujo
oh nice ! but not so nice that it's around 100euros more than in the US . To be fair I think it's still quite doable, this price difference is almost the same as most US imported gear so.. Guinness ftw!

johnwynberg wrote:
Kujo wrote:
Keeping an eye out on availability of the F-2 in Europe.


The F-2 is now available from Escape from Noise: http://escapefromnoise.com/nyinkommet/metasonix-f2/

But with the Dollar on the rise, the Pound closer to parity, and the Euro in between… it costs €509! cry

And just after I bought an RK-1, whilst still waiting for an RK-2. For now, I'll have to keep playing my guitar through the R-54, via a Black Locust, as a consolation.
sbuge
SlayerBadger! Ordered one (from Escape from Noise)

Just want to be sure that I have the right power supply:

http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Toimisto---Tekniikka/Paristot-ja-Virrantuotto  /Verkkolaitteet-ja-laturit/Muuntaja-312-V-2000030021/
So the output of this supply is 12V DC and 2250mA.
Should be fine?
sbuge
Ok... I did not need any adapters. There was unversal AC adaptor included (as mentioned in the metasonix webpage....somehow I did not see it d'oh! )

So now it is time to play with it. Maybe I plug d1000 in it first Dead Banana
sbuge
Here is a recording from the first day. Nothing fancy - just fooling around with these: ZI 6550-99, Dotcom Q106 & F2 --to--->recIN.

It is a really great sounding filter/osc we're not worthy

...those little changes of parameters make so big MY ASS IS BLEEDING in sound

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/284991929" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Crowyote
I've been using this pedal for months. I'm finally getting around to making some fresh cuts. It's wicked raw and has lots of character. It reminds me alot of the Metasonix KV-100, although the sweep range seems better suited for bass and baritone guitar.

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/295141171" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Crowyote
Another . . .

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/295307550" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
sbuge
Nice demos Crowyote!

I find F-2 to be a little bit hmm. smoother than assblaster? I dont know if smooth is the correct word but lets say that it is more mellow in a angry way hihi
Best results you get when you drive sound through both SlayerBadger!
Crowyote
sbuge wrote:
Nice demos Crowyote!

I find F-2 to be a little bit hmm. smoother than assblaster? I dont know if smooth is the correct word but lets say that it is more mellow in a angry way hihi
Best results you get when you drive sound through both SlayerBadger!


I hope to acquire another Assblaster at some point in the future. The 0-10v thing on the F-2 is a bit of a pain because it means I have to offset to get even close to sweeping the full range. Regardless my main guitar is tuned a minor third down so I"m mostly covered besides whale-song glissandi.

Another demo:

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/296008201" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
Crowyote
Wishing everyone a Happy Xmas with this set of Metasonix F-2 tracks (more to come).

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/playlists/280417005" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]
sbuge
Thanks for sharing F-2 sounds Crowyote

Here is one of my "kraut-tracks" from last year. Full of D-1000 and Assblaster sounds. And after 5 minutes I start sloooooowly feeding the sounds trough F-2 SlayerBadger! When the timer is at 8 minutes you can hear the sounds being ripped apart SlayerBadger!

https://paitapes.bandcamp.com/track/side-b
timoka
very great track @sbuge!! applause applause applause
sbuge
ManyThanks *timoka*
Crowyote
sbuge wrote:
Thanks for sharing F-2 sounds Crowyote

Here is one of my "kraut-tracks" from last year. Full of D-1000 and Assblaster sounds. And after 5 minutes I start sloooooowly feeding the sounds trough F-2 SlayerBadger! When the timer is at 8 minutes you can hear the sounds being ripped apart SlayerBadger!

https://paitapes.bandcamp.com/track/side-b


Great track and procession through sonic destruction. Just gotta love the crackly madness that the F2 can provide. It's really unlike the others in that way.

I am missing mine as I sold it to a US Collector, but this does reminds me how much I would like to acquire an assblaster again . . . Dead Banana
metasonix
User report:
Quote:
If you recall, I had previously enquired about whether or not it works with a Mission Engineering EP-1 expression pedal (i.e. whether it sweeps the full frequency range) - and you said you weren't sure. I have now tested it with one, and it doesn't - it sweeps only a very small range. Just letting you know for future reference, in case anyone else asks you about it.

beats me, personally never even seen a Mission Engineering product...it was tested with the usual low-cost pedals (Moog, Roland, M-Audio etc) because that's what most people buy.
caduber
I want one really bad, but the price tag is reallty vicious here in europe. I'll have to settle for F-1 i guess seriously, i just don't get it
FA
Crowyote wrote:
Wishing everyone a Happy Xmas with this set of Metasonix F-2 tracks (more to come).

[soundcloud url="https://api.soundcloud.com/playlists/280417005" params="auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_use r=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true" width="100%" height="450" iframe="true" /]


Wonderful sounds and compositions Crowyote, thanks for sharing!

If it's not to much work, would you mind sharing some basic samples of solo guitar running straight through the pedal into a mixer? I'm very interested in this pedal but I'm a bit unsure about the amount of distortion this pedal will produce on it's own. The manual says that it will produce "Nice, happy distortion" which, given that this is Metasonix, might be way more then I need but still it would be great to just hear a few basic chords with various levels of gain.

Thanks in advance!
MUFF WIGGLER Forum Index -> Metasonix  
Page 1 of 3
Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group