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terrafractyl
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma wrote:
wow, that's great to hear! can we listen to some of your music?

i think i mentioned it before, but i was really impressed with a son kite live set i heard a few months ago (the set was from 2001 i think). however, even when i listen to a lot of the old stuff, it doesn't grab me like it used to, i just think my tastes have changed.

but your stick to your guns dude, it's the only way you'll ever grow and improve as an artist. i'm kinda trying to do the same thing, but in more of an ambient/drone style.

i think it's sad that you feel ashamed to say you write psy trance, but i can also understand it. there seems to be a lot of unjustified hate for it out there.

i've always imagined modulars to be the ultimate tools for writing trance music. wink

any tips for insane lead/acid lines?

i'd be happy to have a go at mastering one of your tracks too, if you are up for it?


Thanks Mate cool

for tunes check my sig or if you prefer better quality try
http://soundcloud.com/terrafractyl
I only just got around to the soundcloud thing recently oops

and yep Modulars are awesome for trance sounds!!
personally, I'm still quite new to this marvelous world of analoge synths(been building my euro rig for the past year and a half) and in my experience I find it ridiculously easy to get amazing psychedelic squelches and fm sounds, but I still find it easier to program leads and melodies with the synths I know best like zebra and reaktor.... yeah i know horrible!
I think I'll get better at it with time though..... maybe a few more modules 2! hehe
and yeah I may well hit you up for some mastering at some point, another take on mastering is always interesting!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

suitandtieguy wrote:
terrafractyl wrote:
I'm well immersed in the psytrance scene


cool. i feel the rest of what you were saying too, especially in light of this thread. it was nice to learn something about where it came from, and also obviously how it has completely changed into something it wasn't.

i played a psy party this weekend in a windfarm in Illinois USA this weekend, the thread about it is here:

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18824

i don't play psytrance (for some reason i have this connection to the midwestern psytrance scene, and they are very nice to me even though obviously there's no money in it), but interestingly enough that Goa mix which was posted felt very close to me.

i've pulled up your myspace page and am listening now. thanks.


Thank You!

I was playing with a STG wave folder at a friends place a few days, and decided then and there which module to put on the top of the 'to buy' list
great to hear some synth makers out there are into psy/goa SlayerBadger!

I'm listening to your Lessons of Darkness on Soundcloud now... wow... great sounds! thumbs up

:edit: ambient hoover hardbag ftw

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolio! i got an stg wavefolder quite recently and it is amazing!

listening to your track "The Mind's I" on soundcloud now. good stuff!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

terrafractyl wrote:
:edit: ambient hoover hardbag ftw


dude, thanks for listening but i must stress, in case it wasn't obvious by that "genre" for my upload: i don't identify with _any_ genre of dance music, except _possibly_ ambient house, and i violate that routinely.

it's all "house music" to me. reference the sermon edit of "can you feel it."

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terrafractyl
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

suitandtieguy wrote:
i don't identify with _any_ genre of dance music, except _possibly_ ambient house, and i violate that routinely.

it's all "house music" to me. reference the sermon edit of "can you feel it."


haha yeah I got that and totally agree with you, violating genres is one of my most loved hobbys.... loved the name tho hihi

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma wrote:
yeah tip blue and yellow were great, still love "angelic particles" by hallucinogen. i really loved the dragonfly "order odonata" series as well. the "project 2 trance" earliest release was still kinda proto goa.

The "Concept in Dance" comps that had a lot of Man With No Name tracks on them were also superb, for the early stuff. Angelic Particles...hell the whole Twisted album is exhibit A in what was good about that sound.

I have never stopped listening to Posford in any of his guises. My last show before leaving SF was the Shpongle DJ set/Hallucinogen live show, the room and sound were so-so but the show blew my sober mind. I even like the pop-vocal-smooth-psy sound of the Younger Brother stuff. Plus he has the stones to play it with a live band. and perhaps it goes without saying but the Ott remixed "In Dub" versions of the Hallucinogen material are all in high rotation.
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thanks for the banco de gaia and green nuns info, i'll definitely check out matthew coldrick.

I suggest the releases on Absolute Ambient. Music for a Busy Head is just Coldrick, and then Elemental Journey is Coldrick and Matt Hiller of ISHQ. There might be a third release by now but I don't have it yet?

Short Shameful Confession: I can totally handle a track of pure cheese or two if it's dropped at the tail end of a dawn set after a night of seriously hard trancing.

Terrafractyl: Welcome! I'm off to listen to yer soundcloud.
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mateo
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma wrote:
i'll occasionally spin some older tunes for nostalgia, but i hadn't heard anything new that really moved me in that genre for many many years, until late last year, when i heard the free download of a live show from "son kite" in tokyo, december 2003, which is available on their website here:


If you like son kite, you might be interested in their other project, minilogue; not at all what you'd call psy trance, but you can definitely see the influence. To me it's like they kept the best parts (the actual psychedlic and trance inducing parts) and threw away the rest.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

digidennis wrote:
Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990


nice, i think i remember you from back in the day, and maybe have a track or two of yours on some compilations! what type of music do you make now?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plord wrote:
I suggest the releases on Absolute Ambient. Music for a Busy Head is just Coldrick, and then Elemental Journey is Coldrick and Matt Hiller of ISHQ. There might be a third release by now but I don't have it yet?


cheers for the recommendation! had no idea about coldrick, or that he worked with ishq, ishq being one of my favourite new ambient discoveries of the last few years. "orchid" always on heavy rotation here!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateo, thanks for the recommendation too.
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terrafractyl
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

digidennis wrote:
Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990


Wow.... dude.... your music was a massive inspiration to me back then.... still have fond memories of all the orion tracks I had on compilations...
Thanks for all the awesome music.

What are you doing these days? still writing music?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Return to the source, hah thats a blast from the past! I did some stuff with Phantasm way back when they were starting out, but truth be told I never really embraced the psytrance/Goa sound - i was more a acid/techno guy, fun times though and some great people SlayerBadger!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I have to admit I have also been involved in the trance thing, here are some projects from me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8yIS1AuWU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0VL01ydDnQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_DaZ80SvNc
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Here is an unreleased live jam from me recorded in Phantasm's studio back in '95, they had an 808, 909, 303, junos, basically tons of vintage gear hihi

http://soundcloud.com/daren-ager/thunder

I still remember this jam like it was yesterday lol

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for the flashbacks Babaluma...
Links to bleep weren't working but I will do a search later.
Curious to hear these early sounds.

I never really got into later trance but I have definitely heard some tracks that were really moving.

I remember back in 1990 (was still in high school) picking up a Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia EP which prompted a spinoff on some of my private parties here in Denver...would do "mash-ups" of current93 and nurse with wound on some of the longer PsychickWOG stuff. (sneaking in some KLF...ChillOut served as nice backing too)

Come to think of it, there were other KK records stuff I was also playing at the time and people would zone out for hours to a mixture of sounds, strobe lights, various TVs playing video feedback and of course incense. thumbs up

I started playing along with tracks using an R-8, a TR-626 and ocarina/flutes mic'd to heavy reverb and delay. Would program octave pitched 808 bass kicks (I was also inlfuenced by the early miami bass sound) and various percussion instruments from each rhythm composer (626 is nice for this) and had coined the term "xungal" for this sound.

Few people got it and others thought I was still obsessing on mayan xamanism (wait...has anything changed here woah )

A few years later I started hearing and reading about the "jungle" scene and although the sounds were a bit different I thought I was somehow duped. cry

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

when are people going to embrace the exactness of digital sequencing in COMBINATION with the flux/warmth of analog?

I think variety is king in all walks of life.

When I listen to acid music made totally with hardware I ALWAYS get bored. Sure you can chalk it up to me being fro this younger crowd with no attention span but its probably due more to the fact that what I really used to listen to was technical death metal and progressive rock/metal where there were at least 3 guys furiously palying in sync blowing my mind with every passing minute....

then there was Pendulum, Infected Mushroom, and DRUGS!!!!

a few years later I still love psytrance, the stuff Terryfractal is doing is SICK! My favorite is Electrypnose.. which coincidentally uses a pretty equal mix of digital and analog gear.

I just dont get how someone can dog on the ableton generation, yet be stuck in the 303-909-moog generation!!!

don't you know that the hardware has limits too? in most cases ableton has a much more vast realm of creationg.. let alone the combination of it all!!!

variety is king. food, movies, girls, tennis shoes, weather, and music too.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Simon Posford told me a while ago that somewhere 'out there" exists a 40 minute version of Slinky Wizard- The Wizard, that was never released.

Although I have never heard or seen this version, I submit that if it exists, it must be the greatest trance track ever made.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

ben jah men wrote:
My favorite is Electrypnose.. which coincidentally uses a pretty equal mix of digital and analog gear.

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I made some music with electrypnose a few years ago and then he was a pretty much all digital guy, maybe he started using some analog stuff later on but I would consider his music pretty much digital... havent heard his latest though....
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

terrafractyl wrote:


Wow.... dude.... your music was a massive inspiration to me back then.... still have fond memories of all the orion tracks I had on compilations...
Thanks for all the awesome music.

What are you doing these days? still writing music?


Sorry better late than never i guess.
Thank you very much indeed, i was only invovled in the first 5-6 tracks, and i dont really know if Brian ( Jean Borrelli ) is still active, but i dont think so.
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