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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: The Roots of Trance Reply with quote

Whilst perusing the forum over at

http://www.psymusic.co.uk/

I came across a few interesting links on the Goa scene in the 80's.

Here is a report by Erik Davis, author of Techgnosis:

http://www.techgnosis.com/paradise.html

And here is an excellent article written by a dude who was actually there:

http://www.bleep43.com/bleep43/2010/4/14/unveiling-the-secret-the-root s-of-trance.html

And a podcast link to a wonderful two hour set in .mp3 featuring 80's Goa classics to accompany the article above:

http://www.bleep43.com/podcast/2010/4/14/podcast-165-the-roots-of-tran ce.html

It's really interesting to hear the influences and then compare them with what (some might say sadly) became the Psy Trance we know today.

Anyway, I just thought some of you might be interested!
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That is a great Bam, nice tunes too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

really fascinating stuff. socially, musically etc etc.

Interesting counterpoint to 60s psychadelic culture. In some ways paralleled.

Always nice to hear 'trance' music that is interesting, rather than just soulless/cheesy commercial stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

thanks for posting this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no worries!

i have a love/hate relationship with "psy trance" music. these days it's mostly hate, but i was well into the scene from around 94 to 96, i used to go to london parties every weekend (return to the source, escape from samsara, psubliminal psychedelia etc.)

however, before and since this period my music tastes have been wide and varied. unfortunately, what i and my friends experienced of the "scene" in those years was that it was extremely closed and insular. trance for breakfast, trance for lunch, and trance for dinner. we used to refer to it as the "trance vacuum", and it got so bad we all became very disenamoured and left the scene and the music behind.

i remember repeatedly trying to get other trance heads to appreciate things such as throbbing gristle, death in june, current 93 and nurse with wound, and absolutely none of them getting it. they thought i was "weird". well, that's true, but...

i'll occasionally spin some older tunes for nostalgia, but i hadn't heard anything new that really moved me in that genre for many many years, until late last year, when i heard the free download of a live show from "son kite" in tokyo, december 2003, which is available on their website here:

http://www.sonkite.com/music1.htm

and it really blew me away. very minimal, but very good, and would you believe it, extremely nice use of dynamic range. i haven't had a chance to see them live myself yet, but will do if they ever make it over to japan again!

anyway...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks Baba, really interesting stuff smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I think the cheesy full-on stuff that's so popular is total tripe, but what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.

Thanks for those links, should be an interesting read.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Eeeenteresting!

I don't know the first thing about trance so this was all new to me. I have a few psy trance CD's from the 90's but the kida suck lol

If I read the author of that second articel correctly he seems to think the only good trance music was made by screwing around with other popular electronic music and none of the stuff actually made as trance? Fascinating. I'd love to hear some of these old mixes.

The song at 0:36 in that third video is amazing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for posting this, Babaluma!
neandrewthal wrote:

The song at 0:36 in that third video is amazing.
You can listen to the whole song here.
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Time Machines wrote:
Thanks for posting this, Babaluma!
neandrewthal wrote:

The song at 0:36 in that third video is amazing.
You can listen to the whole song here.


awesome, thanks we're not worthy
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks Babaluma, really interesting. Excellent read. Mr. Green
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People may hate me for it, but you should check out this Drankenstein Mix, which is a hybrid of ridiculous trance breakdowns (you will recognize some if you were even only peripherally into trance) and Southern rap.

I find it pretty compelling and after a half an hour it starts to have its own logic to it. Funny to bring up in the context of reevaluating trance, I saw that mix of "early" goa and enjoyed it because it sounds so "proto". Its kind of more on the industrial/ebm/new wave side, even, but you can see where the sound is going.

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Listening to the podcast now. Brings back some very happy memories!

Thanks for the link Babaluma. thumbs up
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my favourite early trance track is the b side of the original "pure trance" mix of the klf's "what time is love", which i believe has never been released elsewhere. the a-side is stunning too and widely available:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

random musings.

i'm absolutely fascinated by that trance state acheived from repeated rhythms, and also i guess from dancing. from allowing people to use biologically gifted tools to explore the music. Quite democratic.

i've gotten my kicks in this vein a lot from some minimal techno. i think in a pure/core sense there can be a lot of crossover with these more interesting trance musics. (though Minimal seems often more suited to an indoors experience)

these styles have many pitfalls... it's easy for scenes to go stale/dark quickly, musically, as well as culturally, and often what spills over into mainstream culture is all to often the formulaic music, and dark side culturally. Maybe that's a consistant pattern across time.
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yeah it's very interesting, the whole history of music and rhythm for consciousness expansion and cultural homogenisation, going back to african polyrhythmic drumming and indian drone instruments etc. and coming full circle to brain entrainment and binaural beat frequencies.

i agree that minimal techno is often great for this, without being "trance" music per se (as in the genre).

the notion of scenes going stale and the stratification of electronic music is a whole other kettle of fish, but i will say that i preferred it when dj's for the most part were not constrained by a single style or genre. i know some great dj's here who still really like to mix it up a lot (detroit techno with donna summer etc.), which is very refreshing to see.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv
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Babaluma wrote:
here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv


Cool set! Thanks.

Does anyone remember this time? It's before
mine. I'm curious as to what the distinction is
between this and Belgium New Beat.
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Babaluma wrote:
skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?


This is typically called dark psytrance - pioneered by a bunch of Russkies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZnjlE6ThDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tuhAE2hv4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfbU1WsSUo
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thanks for the links. some very well written stuff there.
I've always been interested in the combination of dance with light and sound to achieve altered states. The references to ego destruction, and reprogramming with the rising of the sun hint at the magick contained.

(i know, go smoke another...)
Rasta-nana cool

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I'm currently reading Deep Listeners: Music, Emotion, and Trancing by Judith Becker, which is a fantastic book on cognition, listening, music, and trance states (trancing), if you guys are interested in that sort of thing. Doesn't cover US-Euro electronic trance music per se, but gets to some of the ideas that Babaluma was talking about in his earlier post.

My friend Matt did a review of it here with a bunch of other cool recommendations of books on sound.

The Becker book is great and extremely thorough, but very readable and academic without being super dry or highly abstracted. I'd describe it further but I'm only on page 70 and it hasn't quite gotten going yet.

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the first track in that mix really reminds of Banco De Gaia for some reason.

btw, this is a great thread. nice to see some discussion about trance back before the great Trance Apocalypse.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entrainer wrote:
Babaluma wrote:
here is a link to the only surviving laurent set in existence, from 1987. i haven't listened to it yet:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y8nowv


Cool set! Thanks.

Does anyone remember this time? It's before
mine. I'm curious as to what the distinction is
between this and Belgium New Beat.


i remember 1987, but i was only 13 at the time, so not really aware of the whole underground dance thing kicking off at that time. i really like that goa mix (the first one i posted the link to), but i have no real idea as to how i would classify that music. you can definitely hear roots in their though! i've no idea what Belgium New Beat is.
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skweeegor wrote:
Babaluma wrote:
skweeegor wrote:
what do you think of the modern hi-tek, dark stuff like Furious, Cosmo, Psykovsky, Kindzaza etc.? I personally love it - psychedelic as hell.


i've never heard of any of it, links?


This is typically called dark psytrance - pioneered by a bunch of Russkies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZnjlE6ThDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tuhAE2hv4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfbU1WsSUo


very clever programming but it doesn't really move me and it's WAY too fast for me wink
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rezzn8r wrote:
I've always been interested in the combination of dance with light and sound to achieve altered states. The references to ego destruction, and reprogramming with the rising of the sun hint at the magick contained.

(i know, go smoke another...)
Rasta-nana cool


hey dude i'm with you all the way!

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suitandtieguy wrote:
the first track in that mix really reminds of Banco De Gaia for some reason.

btw, this is a great thread. nice to see some discussion about trance back before the great Trance Apocalypse.


haven't heard anyone mention banco de gaia for years, i really loved that ambient tibetan mountain spoken word lama thing he did.

trance vacuum=trance apocalypse

i think it killed itself! wink
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that's what i mean.

epic/anthem trance basically destroyed dance music.

all that's left now are some scattered psytrance parties, and psytrance has kind of turned into a genre where every track sounds almost exactly the same.

but then the hippies started doing E and listening to Ableton Live calisthenics.

it's fucking weird.

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yeah, i loved the very early releases on Dragonfly and TIP Records, but after a couple of years things really started to fester (in my opinion). 95-96 were the halcyon years for me.

i also hate how digital and samey it all sounds now, but like you say, it's the ableton generation. those early releases sound very analogue.

god i sound like an old man!

another thing that never ceases to amaze me is just HOW FEW people in the current psy trance scene seem to be into modulars/on this forum. i mean if you want an acid/lead line with infinite modulation possibilities then the modular is where it's at!
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I wanna kill myself every time I hear snare____snare____snare____snare ____snare_snare_snare_snare_snare snaresnaresnaresnaresnaresnaresnare _CRASH
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Criminally poor drum programming killed a lot of trance for me, even the Goa/Psy stuff (cough Pleiadians cough). and once it devolved into "progressive" style beats with crazy 3d noises and no melody/development whatsoever, I tuned out. But I've still got a metric assload of the mid-90's stuff from TIP, Dragonfly, Transient, Matsuri, Phantasm, and Phonokol, plus a couple different iPod playlists sorted out. I can still put on Cosmosis Synergy or Nervasystem's The Mama Matrix Most Mysterious and not feel motivated to take them out until they're over. Good shit, that.

Oh, also: The Green Nuns of the Revolution's Rock Bitch Mafia should have its own special 303 abuse trophy in the Roland Hall of Fame. Just sayin'. SlayerBadger!

I *adored* Banco de Gaia all the way through Big Men Cry, particularly the live band he toured with for that release, but after that his material has been really shark-jumpy. I bought the last few hoping for a resurgence (hey, the "final" Orbital album wasn't bad, and the Orb are riding a huge hot streak since _the Dream_), but in the end I sold them all. There's nothing compelling there. I still listen to Maya, Last Train and BMC quite often, though. Especially the "Duck! Asteroid!" remix of Kincajou.

Why yes, I am reading back through a month of posts, why do you ask? Y'all talk a lot, you know that? w00t
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Quote:
i really like the early dragonfly records sound, lots of analogue and interesting/fresh programming going on there, but the later TIP compilations, where it was all just weird beats and weird noises with no melodies really turned me off.

TIP Blue and Yellow are awesome.

Quote:
green nuns were great, caught them live once, not sure if they are still rocking?

Two albums and done as far as I know. Matthew Coldrick, 1/3rd of the Nuns, has gone on to have a BRILLIANT ambient career.

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i think the banco de gaia album "last train to lhasa" was the one with the monk story, no? i would really like to hear that again.

The story about moving the mountain one rock at a time? That's on Last Train, yes.
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plord wrote:
I *adored* Banco de Gaia all the way through Big Men Cry, particularly the live band he toured with for that release, but after that his material has been really shark-jumpy. I bought the last few hoping for a resurgence (hey, the "final" Orbital album wasn't bad, and the Orb are riding a huge hot streak since _the Dream_), but in the end I sold them all. There's nothing compelling there. I still listen to Maya, Last Train and BMC quite often, though. Especially the "Duck! Asteroid!" remix of Kincajou.


do you have LIve at Glastonbury?

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suitandtieguy wrote:
plord wrote:
I *adored* Banco de Gaia etc. etc.

Do you have Live at Glastonbury?


Oh, yes. Both the Banco AND Orbital "Live at Glastonbury" releases smile
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GAH! Babaluma I totally hit edit instead of quote. I am a dork.
My utter apologies.

Me <- dork. Also, tired from boxes. Sleeping now.

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AFAIC, Trance started with Age of Love. But i'll always like the Acid Trance of the early 90s.

Here's a mix i did a long time ago of a lot of the better Acid Trance of the time.

http://tweakcollective.com/mp3/new/computercontrolled/Music/Frantik%20 -%20My%20Definition%20Of%20Trance.mp3

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey plord no worries, all the interesting content is still there wink

yeah tip blue and yellow were great, still love "angelic particles" by hallucinogen. i really loved the dragonfly "order odonata" series as well. the "project 2 trance" earliest release was still kinda proto goa.

thanks for the banco de gaia and green nuns info, i'll definitely check out matthew coldrick.

computer controlled, downloading now! thanks!

"the age of love" was a brilliant track, i have the oroginal 12", but that style seemed to evolve into the more cheesy handbag hands in the air alcohol trance a la platipus records. eye q were the same, some great tracks, but verging on the severe cheese in places!

p.s. i still don't know why more modern psy producers aren't on this forum/using modulars?
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Interesting thread + links!
thanks Babaluma

I'm well immersed in the psytrance scene, (although increasingly writing less and focusing on other stuff) and have been since the mid 90's

Personally for me it was the hypnotic sounds and beats that grabbed me, but when I heard Simon posford, Total Eclipse and Later Infected mushroom start to make electronic music that also grabbed me emotionally I was totally sold.

'Angelic particles' was probnably my favourtite track for a few years!

Nowaday's I'm almost ashamed more than proud to say I write psytrance, when someone asks, as yeah 99% of it today is complete bollocks but I still think the music I write and call psytrance is interesting to listen to, conjures emotions and can have a pretty decent effect on a dance floor, so i'ma going to stick at it.
actually the lack of decent psy trance is one of the only things that keeps me writing it... Theres still just somthing about it i love.

I had a feeling that no-one on this forum would be into it at all but its nice to see it still has a place in the hearts of many It's peanut butter jelly time!

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wow, that's great to hear! can we listen to some of your music?

i think i mentioned it before, but i was really impressed with a son kite live set i heard a few months ago (the set was from 2001 i think). however, even when i listen to a lot of the old stuff, it doesn't grab me like it used to, i just think my tastes have changed.

but your stick to your guns dude, it's the only way you'll ever grow and improve as an artist. i'm kinda trying to do the same thing, but in more of an ambient/drone style.

i think it's sad that you feel ashamed to say you write psy trance, but i can also understand it. there seems to be a lot of unjustified hate for it out there.

i've always imagined modulars to be the ultimate tools for writing trance music. wink

any tips for insane lead/acid lines?

i'd be happy to have a go at mastering one of your tracks too, if you are up for it?
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I'm well immersed in the psytrance scene


cool. i feel the rest of what you were saying too, especially in light of this thread. it was nice to learn something about where it came from, and also obviously how it has completely changed into something it wasn't.

i played a psy party this weekend in a windfarm in Illinois USA this weekend, the thread about it is here:

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18824

i don't play psytrance (for some reason i have this connection to the midwestern psytrance scene, and they are very nice to me even though obviously there's no money in it), but interestingly enough that Goa mix which was posted felt very close to me.

i've pulled up your myspace page and am listening now. thanks.

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wow, that's great to hear! can we listen to some of your music?

i think i mentioned it before, but i was really impressed with a son kite live set i heard a few months ago (the set was from 2001 i think). however, even when i listen to a lot of the old stuff, it doesn't grab me like it used to, i just think my tastes have changed.

but your stick to your guns dude, it's the only way you'll ever grow and improve as an artist. i'm kinda trying to do the same thing, but in more of an ambient/drone style.

i think it's sad that you feel ashamed to say you write psy trance, but i can also understand it. there seems to be a lot of unjustified hate for it out there.

i've always imagined modulars to be the ultimate tools for writing trance music. wink

any tips for insane lead/acid lines?

i'd be happy to have a go at mastering one of your tracks too, if you are up for it?


Thanks Mate cool

for tunes check my sig or if you prefer better quality try
http://soundcloud.com/terrafractyl
I only just got around to the soundcloud thing recently oops

and yep Modulars are awesome for trance sounds!!
personally, I'm still quite new to this marvelous world of analoge synths(been building my euro rig for the past year and a half) and in my experience I find it ridiculously easy to get amazing psychedelic squelches and fm sounds, but I still find it easier to program leads and melodies with the synths I know best like zebra and reaktor.... yeah i know horrible!
I think I'll get better at it with time though..... maybe a few more modules 2! hehe
and yeah I may well hit you up for some mastering at some point, another take on mastering is always interesting!

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terrafractyl wrote:
I'm well immersed in the psytrance scene


cool. i feel the rest of what you were saying too, especially in light of this thread. it was nice to learn something about where it came from, and also obviously how it has completely changed into something it wasn't.

i played a psy party this weekend in a windfarm in Illinois USA this weekend, the thread about it is here:

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18824

i don't play psytrance (for some reason i have this connection to the midwestern psytrance scene, and they are very nice to me even though obviously there's no money in it), but interestingly enough that Goa mix which was posted felt very close to me.

i've pulled up your myspace page and am listening now. thanks.


Thank You!

I was playing with a STG wave folder at a friends place a few days, and decided then and there which module to put on the top of the 'to buy' list
great to hear some synth makers out there are into psy/goa SlayerBadger!

I'm listening to your Lessons of Darkness on Soundcloud now... wow... great sounds! thumbs up

:edit: ambient hoover hardbag ftw

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coolio! i got an stg wavefolder quite recently and it is amazing!

listening to your track "The Mind's I" on soundcloud now. good stuff!
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:edit: ambient hoover hardbag ftw


dude, thanks for listening but i must stress, in case it wasn't obvious by that "genre" for my upload: i don't identify with _any_ genre of dance music, except _possibly_ ambient house, and i violate that routinely.

it's all "house music" to me. reference the sermon edit of "can you feel it."

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i don't identify with _any_ genre of dance music, except _possibly_ ambient house, and i violate that routinely.

it's all "house music" to me. reference the sermon edit of "can you feel it."


haha yeah I got that and totally agree with you, violating genres is one of my most loved hobbys.... loved the name tho hihi

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Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990
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yeah tip blue and yellow were great, still love "angelic particles" by hallucinogen. i really loved the dragonfly "order odonata" series as well. the "project 2 trance" earliest release was still kinda proto goa.

The "Concept in Dance" comps that had a lot of Man With No Name tracks on them were also superb, for the early stuff. Angelic Particles...hell the whole Twisted album is exhibit A in what was good about that sound.

I have never stopped listening to Posford in any of his guises. My last show before leaving SF was the Shpongle DJ set/Hallucinogen live show, the room and sound were so-so but the show blew my sober mind. I even like the pop-vocal-smooth-psy sound of the Younger Brother stuff. Plus he has the stones to play it with a live band. and perhaps it goes without saying but the Ott remixed "In Dub" versions of the Hallucinogen material are all in high rotation.
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Short Shameful Confession: I can totally handle a track of pure cheese or two if it's dropped at the tail end of a dawn set after a night of seriously hard trancing.

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i'll occasionally spin some older tunes for nostalgia, but i hadn't heard anything new that really moved me in that genre for many many years, until late last year, when i heard the free download of a live show from "son kite" in tokyo, december 2003, which is available on their website here:


If you like son kite, you might be interested in their other project, minilogue; not at all what you'd call psy trance, but you can definitely see the influence. To me it's like they kept the best parts (the actual psychedlic and trance inducing parts) and threw away the rest.
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digidennis wrote:
Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990


nice, i think i remember you from back in the day, and maybe have a track or two of yours on some compilations! what type of music do you make now?
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I suggest the releases on Absolute Ambient. Music for a Busy Head is just Coldrick, and then Elemental Journey is Coldrick and Matt Hiller of ISHQ. There might be a third release by now but I don't have it yet?


cheers for the recommendation! had no idea about coldrick, or that he worked with ishq, ishq being one of my favourite new ambient discoveries of the last few years. "orchid" always on heavy rotation here!
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mateo, thanks for the recommendation too.
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digidennis wrote:
Nice post / info.

This is perfect place to air my old (1997) goa stuff without feeling ashamed oops

I found these youtube vids of the tracks..





lots of juno 106 ( god bless the noisy chorus ) and JD-990


Wow.... dude.... your music was a massive inspiration to me back then.... still have fond memories of all the orion tracks I had on compilations...
Thanks for all the awesome music.

What are you doing these days? still writing music?

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Return to the source, hah thats a blast from the past! I did some stuff with Phantasm way back when they were starting out, but truth be told I never really embraced the psytrance/Goa sound - i was more a acid/techno guy, fun times though and some great people SlayerBadger!
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I have to admit I have also been involved in the trance thing, here are some projects from me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8yIS1AuWU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0VL01ydDnQ

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Here is an unreleased live jam from me recorded in Phantasm's studio back in '95, they had an 808, 909, 303, junos, basically tons of vintage gear hihi

http://soundcloud.com/daren-ager/thunder

I still remember this jam like it was yesterday lol

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Thanks for the flashbacks Babaluma...
Links to bleep weren't working but I will do a search later.
Curious to hear these early sounds.

I never really got into later trance but I have definitely heard some tracks that were really moving.

I remember back in 1990 (was still in high school) picking up a Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia EP which prompted a spinoff on some of my private parties here in Denver...would do "mash-ups" of current93 and nurse with wound on some of the longer PsychickWOG stuff. (sneaking in some KLF...ChillOut served as nice backing too)

Come to think of it, there were other KK records stuff I was also playing at the time and people would zone out for hours to a mixture of sounds, strobe lights, various TVs playing video feedback and of course incense. thumbs up

I started playing along with tracks using an R-8, a TR-626 and ocarina/flutes mic'd to heavy reverb and delay. Would program octave pitched 808 bass kicks (I was also inlfuenced by the early miami bass sound) and various percussion instruments from each rhythm composer (626 is nice for this) and had coined the term "xungal" for this sound.

Few people got it and others thought I was still obsessing on mayan xamanism (wait...has anything changed here woah )

A few years later I started hearing and reading about the "jungle" scene and although the sounds were a bit different I thought I was somehow duped. cry

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when are people going to embrace the exactness of digital sequencing in COMBINATION with the flux/warmth of analog?

I think variety is king in all walks of life.

When I listen to acid music made totally with hardware I ALWAYS get bored. Sure you can chalk it up to me being fro this younger crowd with no attention span but its probably due more to the fact that what I really used to listen to was technical death metal and progressive rock/metal where there were at least 3 guys furiously palying in sync blowing my mind with every passing minute....

then there was Pendulum, Infected Mushroom, and DRUGS!!!!

a few years later I still love psytrance, the stuff Terryfractal is doing is SICK! My favorite is Electrypnose.. which coincidentally uses a pretty equal mix of digital and analog gear.

I just dont get how someone can dog on the ableton generation, yet be stuck in the 303-909-moog generation!!!

don't you know that the hardware has limits too? in most cases ableton has a much more vast realm of creationg.. let alone the combination of it all!!!

variety is king. food, movies, girls, tennis shoes, weather, and music too.
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Simon Posford told me a while ago that somewhere 'out there" exists a 40 minute version of Slinky Wizard- The Wizard, that was never released.

Although I have never heard or seen this version, I submit that if it exists, it must be the greatest trance track ever made.
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ben jah men wrote:
My favorite is Electrypnose.. which coincidentally uses a pretty equal mix of digital and analog gear.

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I made some music with electrypnose a few years ago and then he was a pretty much all digital guy, maybe he started using some analog stuff later on but I would consider his music pretty much digital... havent heard his latest though....
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Wow.... dude.... your music was a massive inspiration to me back then.... still have fond memories of all the orion tracks I had on compilations...
Thanks for all the awesome music.

What are you doing these days? still writing music?


Sorry better late than never i guess.
Thank you very much indeed, i was only invovled in the first 5-6 tracks, and i dont really know if Brian ( Jean Borrelli ) is still active, but i dont think so.
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Nice talk here!!! There was a lot good music from the beginning of 90's to the mid of the 90's. In the 80's too but this stuff is really rare.
o.k.

Thorsten Fenslau was a good young talented musician. Here is a release of him from 1991. But the melancholy he died in his young years by a car accident 1993.



Trancesetters (Dobre & Jamez) - The search from 1995 - nice



Melt - Radioactivity from 1989 - Amazing remake of Kraftwerks Radioactivity from 1976



Cygnus X - The Orange Theme from 1994 - classic stuff



Sven Väth - Lesperanza from 1992 - this is long and smooth version. think the most younger people don't hear those tracks from him in between of today. At this time he worked with Ralf Hildenbeutel. After the Fusion album are going everyone his own way



Cosmic Baby (aka Harald Büchel) - The Space Track from 1992 -
Comsic Baby was one of the most popular aritists @this time. Today he doesn't make anything on this sector. He writes music for Radio/TV and compose classic music
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this is a great thread. thx for all the sharing...
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astroschnautzer wrote:
ben jah men wrote:
My favorite is Electrypnose.. which coincidentally uses a pretty equal mix of digital and analog gear.

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I made some music with electrypnose a few years ago and then he was a pretty much all digital guy, maybe he started using some analog stuff later on but I would consider his music pretty much digital... havent heard his latest though....


sry to warm this up ...
but he diy'ed an mfos synth ...
http://www.electrypnose.com/index.php?page=vinsynth

his music is awesome ...

i'm jealous of you ;-))
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For anyone on Facebook, there's a couple of amazing "Goa Hippy Tribe" groups, with links to many video interviews with people who were on the Goa scene in the 70's. It's really good!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/goahippytribe

http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=232142734251


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i have a love/hate relationship with "psy trance" music. these days it's mostly hate, but i was well into the scene from around 94 to 96, i used to go to london parties every weekend (return to the source, escape from samsara, psubliminal psychedelia etc.)



I made a bit of music in the early 90's that was classified as trance. I quite liked a lot of the stuff coming out of Germany at that time, but was well and truly over most stuff labeled as trance by the mid 90's.

You might have been at a gig I did at Megatripolis in 1994 smile

Here's one of those early 90's tunes:

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Nice tune! I'd like to master more Trance music. A lot of it these days seems to be mostly ITB, so I think I can add some analogue goodness to it!
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wow, that Techgnosis article really has me tempted to get a Walkman WM-D6C Pro or two to see what its capable of d'oh!
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yep, that's funny! erik davis is cool.

nice to see another AOS fan here too. wink did you make it to the cuming museum show? didn't go, but sent my parents in my place. recently got the "cockney visionary" book, very nice.
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Stoked for this thread. Here's a live set my duo Ono-Sendai played at a rave late last year. There's a dotcom entry system being sequenced for leads/effects by an MC-505 throughout all of it (alongside a bunch of other hardware). Recorded direct from the mixer via soundcard to a computer, improvised on the groovebox/synths.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/ono-sendai/my-girlfriend-has-esp[/s]

My bandmate recently sold his MS2000 we mainly used for leads, so we're going to start using his and my (new) dotcom entry systems for all sequenced leads and effects. We might starting doing strange a-melodic groovy stuff with the modulars or even bump from 136 to 144 bpm or something wacky like that.
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solitaryzen wrote:
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i have a love/hate relationship with "psy trance" music. these days it's mostly hate, but i was well into the scene from around 94 to 96, i used to go to london parties every weekend (return to the source, escape from samsara, psubliminal psychedelia etc.)



I made a bit of music in the early 90's that was classified as trance. I quite liked a lot of the stuff coming out of Germany at that time, but was well and truly over most stuff labeled as trance by the mid 90's.

You might have been at a gig I did at Megatripolis in 1994 smile

Here's one of those early 90's tunes:



was that on nova zembla or solitary sound??

i like it


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i have a love/hate relationship with "psy trance" music. these days it's mostly hate, but i was well into the scene from around 94 to 96, i used to go to london parties every weekend (return to the source, escape from samsara, psubliminal psychedelia etc.)



I made a bit of music in the early 90's that was classified as trance. I quite liked a lot of the stuff coming out of Germany at that time, but was well and truly over most stuff labeled as trance by the mid 90's.

You might have been at a gig I did at Megatripolis in 1994 smile

Here's one of those early 90's tunes:



Weren't we label mates at some point?!!
The early 90's were all a bit of a blur to be honest
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I've been into psytrance since the end of the 90s, and all I can say...

Yeah I like the oldschool goa sounds best too, but I just can't agree that the scene would be dying, gone stale or whatever.
Whenever I have thoughts like that, this returns me to reality:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150102320767204.284239.836 1492203&type=3

I've been travelling a bit playing my music at the most, most, most, most amazing underground parties in some mindblowing natural locations, and a big part of the time I have felt a really rare kind of energy and magic with the people... Of course there's a lot of mainstream fullon/dark parties or whatever too, but I think there's space for everybody on the scene. And in the right setting, even the cheesiest full-on tracks can be mindblowing, it's not about the music, and it never was. The people & places create the culture... (And some would say, drugs, but let's not get into that topic.)

Fact is, the spirit of underground outdoor hippie techno festival/party is doing very well I think, even if a lot of the music in the current scene is a bit boring and derivative. (hey Israel, where we have these 20-something guys who never in their life probably listened to anything else than trance... do I need to say that the amount of interesting music I've heard over there lately amounts to nearly zero.)

Here's something I found again yesterday, I talked with them a few years ago at a festival, and they really think a lot about what they do and why. I think everything works out beautifully, with great wide atmospheres just wanting to be played outdoors on a big pa, together with some neat goa-style melodies smile
http://soundcloud.com/universcience
Nagual & Nasca for example, great stuff!

I haven't myself really listened to new trance since mid 2000s, maybe it's because I haven't had a proper internet connection until now so I stopped pirating music (hey, trance these days really isn't interesting enough to buy CDs.), maybe it's because I like listening to different music at home.
But I've been making electronic dance music myself the whole time, travelling etc, and now recently again got interested in going to parties just for fun too. There's just a great energy in the psytrance scene that is hard to find elsewhere.

And, yes, TIP Yellow is also one of my favourite comps!

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Stoked for this thread.


Welcome fellow midwestern moog-format psyrave-playing wiggler!

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I got into goa a couple years ago by continually seeing Astral Projection mentioned in the 'People who have used..." section on Vintage Synth Explorer. Their album Another World pretty much does it for me.

Lately, though, its the progressive psytrance thats been blowing my mind. Been loving the drum/bass grooves that remind me of EBM (speaking of the roots of trance). This Ace Ventura mix has been getting heavy rotation lately:

[s]http://soundcloud.com/schatsi/ace-ventura-autumn-progmix[/s]
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Backroads wrote:
Stoked for this thread. Here's a live set my duo Ono-Sendai played at a rave late last year. There's a dotcom entry system being sequenced for leads/effects by an MC-505 throughout all of it (alongside a bunch of other hardware). Recorded direct from the mixer via soundcard to a computer, improvised on the groovebox/synths.


Nice sounds in there....

I was a psytrance/goa dj in the midwest about 10 years ago. Don't play out any more, but still have all my old vinyl (which I guess dates me right there).

I've written some tracks, but nothing good enough to put online...

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Im a little late to this one but...
Trance is alive and well! In california we benefit from a multitude of underground outdoor parties usually featuring fairly obscure and super synthd out dark/neuro psy trance. We even have two goa gil parties a year- one for his birthday in october, and one on memorial day weekend. We just celebrated gils 60th birthday last year!!

I personally make a loooot of psy trance, almost exclusively with modular gear. It is not the norm, but my experimental, evil, atonal trance shit does seem to have its niche. Check it out in my dog of tears soundcloud link. Babz here has mastered a couple tracks of mine, one of which is featured on my SC.

I highly recommend checking out music by some awesome artists like Ghreg on Earth, Derango, Sectio Aurea, Enichkin, Psykovsky, Axis Mundi, Fractal Cowboys, Facehead, Luuli, Secret Society, and many others. It is all super whacked out and trippy experimental trance!!

Also you can hear one of my tracks "hermetic rust" on goa gils new compilation, entitled "shri maharaj". Once again it is made with 95% modular gear.

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Those of you that produce psytrance with a modular, have you used something akin to SSL's Digital Delay? I'm super excited that it has CV control over delay time.. syncing to god knows what. Hopefully I'll be able to pick one up in the next batch.
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dolma84 wrote:
solitaryzen wrote:
Babaluma wrote:


i have a love/hate relationship with "psy trance" music. these days it's mostly hate, but i was well into the scene from around 94 to 96, i used to go to london parties every weekend (return to the source, escape from samsara, psubliminal psychedelia etc.)



I made a bit of music in the early 90's that was classified as trance. I quite liked a lot of the stuff coming out of Germany at that time, but was well and truly over most stuff labeled as trance by the mid 90's.

You might have been at a gig I did at Megatripolis in 1994 smile

Here's one of those early 90's tunes:



was that on nova zembla or solitary sound??

i like it


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Morley wrote:

Weren't we label mates at some point?!!
The early 90's were all a bit of a blur to be honest
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I was signed to the other Belgian label run by a crazy man (KK records). Katrien's partner Sjon worked for them though, so I did spend a bit of time with them in Gent (they're in Evergem now) and visited the R&S studio.

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I never knew early trance had such an EBM influence. The stuff in this thread sounds pretty cool, looks like I have a new genre to check out w00t
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Here's a good example of some EBM stuff that's got a pretty heavy trance vibe at times (see around 1:00).



The EBM entry on Wikipedia talks quite a bit about the crossover/influences of goa on industrial/ebm and vice versa.

In fact, I think I tend to prefer progressive psytrance partly because the basslines remind me of EBM.
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I love this one:














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i have most of those releases b3nsf. that early 90's german trance scene with harthouse, eye-q, sven vath etc was excellent! still gets played from time to time here too.
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Excellent stuff that Teutonic Knights... Hmm I have sometimes a bit of a problem with that nihilistic german thing, verging on the nazist sometimes razz Same thing with neofolk really, for some reason most of the germa stuff goes really high on the misantrophic scale.. But damn those are tasty sounds in that track! And strange, what was the thing with Norway and EBM at that time? Can't say we would have had a similar scene, altough we're practically neighbors.
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Backroads wrote:
Here's a good example of some EBM stuff that's got a pretty heavy trance vibe at times (see around 1:00).



The EBM entry on Wikipedia talks quite a bit about the crossover/influences of goa on industrial/ebm and vice versa.

In fact, I think I tend to prefer progressive psytrance partly because the basslines remind me of EBM.


I'm sure I've read the EBM article on Wiki before, but if I saw that stuff I probably discounted it/thought it had something to do with the later future pop/whatever stuff that people tend to call EBM these days (and I hate MY ASS IS BLEEDING )


Great track too. Gonna have to try and find that release.
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Loved the Harthouse label back in college, still do!

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Backroads wrote:
Lately, though, its the progressive psytrance thats been blowing my mind. Been loving the drum/bass grooves that remind me of EBM (speaking of the roots of trance). This Ace Ventura mix has been getting heavy rotation lately:

[s]http://soundcloud.com/schatsi/ace-ventura-autumn-progmix[/s]

I was into Goa in the mid-90's but I've been really into the prog psy sound for the past 5-6 years. Ace Ventura's Rebirth is pure gold.
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Ace Ventura is awesome.. anyone know what synths he is rockin?
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I think he uses software; beyond that I have no idea. There are some youtube videos of him using a small midi controller next to a laptop, doing what looks like filter sweeps etc.
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One of my all time favourite albums is a psy trance album – sort of. Hallucinogen's Hallucinogen in Dub, remixed by OTT is just fantastic. Never heard anything like it, not even OTT's other stuff.

But the fast goa stuff, I'd really need to drop acid to enjoy.

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yeah that album is amazing... the fact that it is all remixes is mind boggling..
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i became a fan of ott almost instantly. such genius.

let's drop some links... gamma goblins, for instance.

hallucinogen original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD3XsUR3ZRo
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I've always appreciated the original Twisted album more. But I'm not generally into Ott either.

This one makes me really want an MS20:

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Heh, cool, Terrafractyl, I guess we'll be meeting in Israel on the 23th of March grin

With MARK ALLEN! Shit, I still love many old Mindfield tracks, altough not sure how big his input is... but Quirk, still, deep stuff!



I'll arrive already on the 22th, and leave on the 1st probably... Gonna play at some other party too probably next Thursday. Maybe you want to tag along, I was thinking of maybe going hiking up north between the parties, it's fantastic there in the spring!



That's one of my all time fav tracks! Great to be playing with him at the same party, for me these occasions are strange, like playing with Pleiadians was, because they are the people that made me start with trance music in the first place!

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Awesome gig, congrats on keeping the vibe alive. You going to record it? Post excerpts? I am not able to travel to Israel smile

Odyssey of the Mind gets a lot of play here, same with that first Quirk album.
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Well, I'm playing from CD a "live" DJ set, so not much to record there grin I'm mostly interested in songwriting so haven't had the energy or money to invest in any kind of live set... I'm hoping though, last summer for the first time played some tracks straight from the sequencer in the set, that was fun actually...

One interesting thing though was, that my contact with the audience was less, because the laptop took so much attention... So best would maybe be to have backgrounds in some software that allows to drag & drop projects fast and reliably in to a playlist, and then have maybe only one MIDI track for each track, and then have a synth for tweaking some live stuff in... Because with some basic analog desktop it would be fast enough to dial in any patch. I couldn't do with a pre-ordained set, because often I realize that I need to put some certain track next, and have maybe a minute or less to throw that in... Maybe Ableton Live would be good for this, don't know... But that's a bit expensive too confused

But yeah the oldschool (connected to the finnish/australian sound for some reason) scene definitely still exists in Israel!

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I've been really digging this old school Goa anthem by Youth again recently:

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Great Track. I remember picking up Dragonfly Project II Trance and the first Concept in Dance on the same day, and that was pretty much that for the next 4 years. I hoovered up anything I could find.

I didn't read back through the thread, have we mentioned that Suntrip records has been churning out oldschool melodic Goa releases for a few years now?

Babaluma wrote:
I've been really digging this old school Goa anthem by Youth again recently:

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Aah myself, about the new goa trance acts. I don't know why, but I can't really name ONE that would make me actually want to listen to the music. Maybe it's some lack of purity of ideas, maybe it's the flat computer sounds & production... Dunno.
Maybe Filteria (great guy, and has a lot of analog gear, MS20 etc) and Afgin (also a fantastic personality, don't remember now what he is using)... And some others possibly, but generally a LOT of this new style is focusing too much on cliched melodies, and less on interesting sonic textures and acid, like the old UK sound did for example...

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And I have to add, that of course at a party it's all different, saw both Filteria and Afgin live for example, and very rocking... But musically, where is a new TIP Yellow or Orange, that warrants relistening for the next 10 years?



God I love the acid sounds in that one!

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Great Track. I remember picking up Dragonfly Project II Trance and the first Concept in Dance on the same day, and that was pretty much that for the next 4 years. I hoovered up anything I could find.

I didn't read back through the thread, have we mentioned that Suntrip records has been churning out oldschool melodic Goa releases for a few years now?


same story here really, i think that first dragonfly compilation came out in 93. my fave trance album of all time is still the first order odonata compilation (94). i was stuck in the trance vacuum for the next 4 or 5 years. smile don't suppose you used to go to the return to the source, escape from samsara, or psubliminal psychedelia (in tyssen street, dalston), parties, did you?
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@ taika kim, yeah the early TIP comps were great too!

recently been cranking psychopod's "friagram" really loud on the atc's, very nice test for a speaker system (not so much for the neighbours). smile
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Actually that might be a good neighbour test before moving in, ask the people currently living in the house to play some loud trance for a few evenings and see if the police turns up at the door razz

Yes, Psychopod, the whole Headlines EP is seriously classy! (altough can't remember now if Friagram was on that...)

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Taika-Kim wrote:
Maybe Filteria (great guy, and has a lot of analog gear, MS20 etc) and Afgin (also a fantastic personality, don't remember now what he is using)... And some others possibly, but generally a LOT of this new style is focusing too much on cliched melodies, and less on interesting sonic textures and acid, like the old UK sound did for example...


Filteria was the one who came to mind honestly; I listen to his first couple of albums and the _Apsara_ and _Twist Dreams_ comps. But, not even 5% as often as I listen to _Twisted_ or Tip Yellow.
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don't suppose you used to go to the return to the source, escape from samsara, or psubliminal psychedelia (in tyssen street, dalston), parties, did you?

Not me mate, it was all small parties in San Francisco. No real clubs took up the sound until ex-Blue-Room people started up Thump Radio, and that scene was...conflicted. 100-200 person renegades in the Santa Cruz mountains or in a small art/industrial warehouse (Consortium of Creative Consciousness, OMFG) were more my speed, and for a while there you could get to a handful of those a month.
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holy fucking shit this thread is still going.

it's almost like it's a V8 pusher making it's way through the sierra nevada.


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holy fucking shit this thread is still going.

it's almost like it's a V8 pusher making it's way through the sierra nevada.



Funny that the White room trailer is mostly an excerpt from the _Chill Out_ source material with a house beat under it, isn't it?

Speaking of CDs I played to death and back...yeah, Chill Out, every morning after.
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dude. that track, the acid mix of "Madrugada Eterna", is the only KLF track we don't have.

it's SUCH a fucking bummer. i think Jimmy actually burnt the cassette master away when Cressida was leaving him or something because we just DON'T have it. and it's AMAZING.

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suitandtieguy wrote:
dude. that track, the acid mix of "Madrugada Eterna", is the only KLF track we don't have.

it's SUCH a fucking bummer. i think Jimmy actually burnt the cassette master away when Cressida was leaving him or something because we just DON'T have it. and it's AMAZING.


Dude! If you have any rare KLF material, PM me or something. I have the History of the Jams stuff, the Extreme Noise Terror 7" of 3AM Eternal, both Last Train to Trancentral EPs, and the America: What Time is Love EP, even the F*ck the Millenium.

To my chagrin, I don't have _Space_. What else you got?
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i went to see the "fuck the millennium" night at the barbican, london in 1997, grabbed two of the "grab bags" left on everyone's seat at the beginning, still have an unworn t-shirt. wink was hilarious, they both came on in wheelchairs...

i got "space" on vinyl, probably about 10 more too. all the earliest albums i had cassette copies of only. my fave is the original pure trance mix of WTIL. b-side is unbelievable (have a 24 bit vinyl rip if anyone is interested, don't think it was ever released on digital media), but think i have already spoken about this earlier in the thread!
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Lots of nice suggestions in this thread. I was really into psytrance parties back in the day, always listening to Green Nuns and Hallucinogen in high school.

Last year someone suggested to me the album "Ten Ragas to a Disco Beat" from 1982. The guy plays melodies with his jupiter over 303 basslines, all using indian ragas/scales. It totally sounds like goa trance ten years ahead of its time !


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The Charanjit Singh material is the full on bomb-diggity.

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Gotta love that cathode ray tube monitor on stage grin Is that an Atari ST?

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Welp, I just got a Roland MC-909 sampling groovebox; time to start producing progressive trance again.

This Major 7 clip was released a few hours ago, I can't wait for their full length to come out. Over the summer I think? Anyway, these guys are a huge influence for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

[s]http://soundcloud.com/rogue-ai/city-of-light[/s]

One of the last Trance tracks that I have made back in 2010. Should I attempt to make another after having no t produced it in 2 years?
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@ Backroads and Rogue Ai: It's quite nice that people are posting their and other people's recent music here, but there are better places on Muff's if you are looking for feedback on your tunes:

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

This thread (please read my OP and the thread title), is for discussing the early roots of the genre, so anything post early 90's is pretty much OT!
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dude. that track, the acid mix of "Madrugada Eterna", is the only KLF track we don't have.


Um. I think this track was just playing on the Chewathon RIGHT NOW (3:55 Eastern Time Tuesday 12/18).

For sure I heard the Tuvan throat singers.

http://fnoob.com/chewathon-2
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Found this great documentary, "Last Hippie Standing", on Goa/Hippies/Parties recently. Some nice interview bits with Shri Mahant Mangalanand Puri Ji (Goa Gil):

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v17485205NtHqS8FJ
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which later became, by the 2000's:




best.

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Great tracks! I remember seeing them in 98 play some of these tracks, so great! I like we created our own happiness! really great stuff. I loved the old tracks, so much great synth flavor and programming to them.
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dogoftears wrote:




which later became, by the 2000's:



best.


i have the TIP phosphorescent on double vinyl and love it (the only other vinyl i have that glows in the dark is bauhaus's "bela lugosi's dead" 12" picture disc...), but hadn't heard the second track, which was also great, so thanks for posting!
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oh man are you kidding babz... check out the entire X-Dream album "Irritant" it is a sonic masterpiece!!!


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watching these videos and listening to this it makes me reminiscent of the 90s, and also sad I really missed goa in the early 90s, I think I went to my first goa thing in, 96, and that was pretty late, but still had some of the vibe. I think when infected came out, things started really going down hill.

goa is what got me into synths. and I really think that's what i go for everytime I work on stuff, goa sounds. I did get sick of the aggressive psy attitude that were all over the place, and the over seriousness that ened up going around...
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3001 wrote:
watching these videos and listening to this it makes me reminiscent of the 90s, and also sad I really missed goa in the early 90s, I think I went to my first goa thing in, 96, and that was pretty late, but still had some of the vibe. I think when infected came out, things started really going down hill.

goa is what got me into synths. and I really think that's what i go for everytime I work on stuff, goa sounds. I did get sick of the aggressive psy attitude that were all over the place, and the over seriousness that ened up going around...


http://www.goagil.com
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what's the info for the event? Is it indoors or outdoors?:-) that's a lot o flying to do for a party on the other side of the coast:D
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not as far as i'd have to travel! hope to see gil in europe at some stage.

first i heard of goa/psy was the "project 2 trance" dragonfly comp in 94. went to goa in 95 and had a great time! kept up with the scene until around 99 when i moved to japan, and got a bit fed up with it. but still like to play the old stuff now and again. very little of the new stuff excites me, particularly if it's just a rehash of the old sound (which most of it seems to be). musically, it seems to be stuck in somewhat of a rut, and i don't get as much of a psychedelic vibe from it as i used to.

dog ov tears is amazing though. smile

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dogoftears wrote:
oh man are you kidding babz... check out the entire X-Dream album "Irritant" it is a sonic masterpiece!!!



I concur! Its an awesome album The Chewbacca Defense I bought it when tower records was having their going out of business sale. Random pick from the electronic music section turned out to be a winner hyper

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i still have all my tip cd's except phosphorescent which i sold with some other stuff as was my least favorite
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No mention yet of Eat Static? Perhaps the only people brave/crazy enough to tour playing a Waldorf Wave



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saw eat static at a VERY messy new year's eve escape from samsara, must have been around 95, remember the warnings about the ganesh's being four times stronger than usual (they were...), and ending up in a massage circle with about 20 other loved up people in the chillout room... lol
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No mention yet of Eat Static? Perhaps the only people brave/crazy enough to tour playing a Waldorf Wave


Eat static are my favorites- they're the band that got me into psytrance... I have almost everything they released..

I always liked the tribal nature of this one:

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saw eat static last yr . And yr before new year eve party they were supporting my mates band firefarm and ephxsis . Just a one man outfit now . 1st saw them back in 94 supportting back to the planet at brixton fridge . 1st time id heard psy, i was really into nitzer ebb front242 at the time...

some great killing joke remixes around at that time too
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i love eat static, my friend saw them last year in europe and said he still kicks quite a hefty amount of ass.
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ive a nice lazer etched eat static 12" somewhere will take a foto and up load it Edit :



found it survivors ltd edition no 003
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ive some other lazer etched and colour disc's sheep on drugs d.mode

but guess thats a different topic
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I would like to make some indication to Frankfurt classic trance scene when it started back in 1990 with releases for example from Resistance D. I have checked lot of trance proto stuff but i think that PF-On the run potentially can be first trance track ever,
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I would like to make some indication to Frankfurt classic trance scene when it started back in 1990 with releases for example from Resistance D. I have checked lot of trance proto stuff but i think that PF-On the run potentially can be first trance track ever,
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TTSOUNDWARE wrote:
I would like to make some indication to Frankfurt classic trance scene when it started back in 1990 with releases for example from Resistance D. I have checked lot of trance proto stuff but i think that PF-On the run potentially can be first trance track ever,


I loved the early German trance scene too, collected a lot of that stuff in the early 90's, loads of FAX, Harthouse and later Eye-Q etc. Resistance D were amazing, I still have that "Approach & Identify" white label (can't remember the proper title).

Pink Floyd's "On the Run" is a great track, but I'm not necessarily sure I'd call it Trance. As far as I'm concerned the earliest definitive Trance track was The KLF's original What Time Is Love (Pure Trance Mix) from 1988, which still blows me away.

http://www.discogs.com/KLF-What-Time-Is-Love-Pure-Trance-1/release/927 68

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Resistance D track is called cosmic love and can be found here on this great 1993 cd

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Resistance D were amazing, I still have that "Approach & Identify" white label (can't remember the proper title).


don't remember the title, but it's on the resistance d album, which is awesome.

I collect a lot of classic frankfurt style trance- old noom records, harthouse, etc. It's too bad that "hard trance" has turned into club style oontz hard house music these days

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also, if anyone is looking for good hard trance mixes, try to find Dan Efex- Plixx.. it's one of the best I've ever heard. Actually, most of Dan Efex's mixes are awesome
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bonusplays wrote:
People may hate me for it [...] hybrid of ridiculous trance breakdowns [...] and Southern rap.

I don't hate you, but that's the worst of trance mixed with bad rap. Not my cup of tea.

suitandtieguy wrote:
epic/anthem trance basically destroyed dance music.

Do you mean stuff like 'The Orange Theme'? eek!

I only have one Platipus vinyl: Poltergeist - Vicious Circles Remixes (by Union Jack & Carl Cox) and at least those two tracks are not cheesy in any way.

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I made a bit of music in the early 90's that was classified as trance.

Wow, I really liked your Zen Paradox track 'Analogue Exotica 2' on the Natural Born Techno 1 compilation

morphic wrote:
Resistance D track is called cosmic love and can be found here on this great 1993 cd

I guess it can be found on lots of compilations. I have it on 'Logic Trance' which also features Age of Love, Ongaku - Mihon #3 and other classics.

Don't like the typical -xxx rolling bass lines that every psytrance track seems to have. Does no one like variation anymore? seriously, i just don't get it

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Maybe slightly OT, but reviewing the thread it seems a lot of videos are DOA - are youtube getting hotter on deleting stuff nowadays?

Back to the trance, I always liked this:



The A-side is pretty heavy too.

Also this:


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99% of the modern Psy I hear I detest. And I hate all the myriad sub-genres now. But there is still good/interesting/new twist stuff out there, just have to dig a bit deeper for it. Dog Of Tears and Xenomorph and Son Kite I all like a lot.

If you hang out on the various Psy forums and Psy production sub forums you'll see everyone trying to copy everyone else and sound exactly the same, hardly the definition of being in a mind manifesting trance state...

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Hermetech Mastering wrote:
If you hang out on the various Psy forums and Psy production sub forums you'll see everyone trying to copy everyone else and sound exactly the same, hardly the definition of being in a mind manifesting trance state...


This- I have about 200 psy/goa records, but stopped buying them around 2002-2003 when everything went techno, and then now turned into aggro-trance (at least to my ears).

Not that everything has to sound like Astral Projection from 1996, but definitely the "psychedelic" feel seems to be lost.

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djs wrote:
This- I have about 200 psy/goa records, but stopped buying them around 2002-2003 when everything went techno, and then now turned into aggro-trance (at least to my ears).

Not that everything has to sound like Astral Projection from 1996, but definitely the "psychedelic" feel seems to be lost.


i have a slightly different story. for me everything was techno (as in detroit and german) from around 90-94, then i went to goa and started attending psy parties from 95, and by 98 I was bored with it all. too many scenesters falling into what we then termed "the trance vacuum", and it appears that many have remained there ever since. ever try getting any of those peeps to listen to current 93 or throbbing gristle? it's funny to try. wink there are exceptions of course, but those psy production forums are very sad places to hang out.

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ever try getting any of those peeps to listen to current 93 or throbbing gristle?

Really?

This sounds like Proto-Trance to me (like Sharivari is Proto-Techno):



Bet this was played by DJ Laurent in Goa in the 80's.

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some of my early formative years were spent listening to trance around the harthouse time. i remember it fondly but can't seem to go back and re-listen. On a more modern tip I'm very into "Donato Dozzy" and "Voices from the lake" et al. I think they capture what i remember trance sounding like but manage to do it far more gracefully.

please note : this thread looks great but i haven't been able to find the time to look through it all yet.

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Really?

This sounds like Proto-Trance to me (like Sharivari is Proto-Techno):



Bet this was played by DJ Laurent in Goa in the 80's.


Exactly my point. Back in the day anything and everything was up for grabs, but now it mostly all seems to be about stale formulas, and it's been that way since the late 90's.

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