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Author Must have modules in 5U
Falcon
Hello everybody!
I have a Euro system and want to try some 5u module like the MOTM 440
Is there some must have module like this one that you recommend?
Thank's.
sandyb
there are lots of great modules in 5U but first a couple of questions:

what do you have in euro already?

what do you want to achieve with a 5U system - have it as a standalone system or as something that goes alongside your euro modules?

what sort of sounds do you make? module recommendations for perfect tracking tonal music may be different to somebody making experimental sounds/drones etc...

sorry - that's three questions. i must learn to count! MY ASS IS BLEEDING

sandy
rezzn8r
Modcan CV Recorder FTW!
Falcon
Thank's for quick reply Sandy.
The idea it's just to try and experiment 5U ,i heard so much about the 440 that i wanted to try a small 5U case to go standalone or alongside my euro.
Perfect tracking tonal music is more my stuff.
Thank's.
parasitk
rezzn8r wrote:
Modcan CV Recorder FTW!


Yeah I'd have to recommend Modcan stuff as well - VCDO, DVDO, CV Recorder, Digital Delay...
doctorvague
Nice setup!!
My 2 favorite filters in 5U are the MOTM 440 and MegaOhm's Delta filter.
Be prepared to wait for the 440 unless you find one used. I've been waiting since mid-February on a 480 just to give you an idea, and you can't really rely on delivery times quoted.
Here's a video demo of the Delta:
MegaOhm Delta filter demo
Modcan has quite a few designs that aren't really represented in Euro, like the VCDO and whole bunch of others that I'm sure will get mentioned shortly! Bruce's delivery times are generally long, but he will give you an honest estimate so at least you know.

I'd be interested in hearing how you like your Macbeth modules if that's not too OT.
NV
I'd say the old standby is the MOTM-440 filter. I think every modular system needs a solid and fully featured dedicated lowpass, and the 440 fits the bill perfectly. I'm not sure how well the TipTop Z2040 compares to the MOTM-440, but that would be something to keep in mind if you head down that path.

I would have said the Encore UEG is a fantastic 5U module, but now it's been released in euro so it's no longer 5U exclusive. Regardless, I prefer the layout of the 5U module and since you don't have a UEG in your euro system I'd say picking one up in 5U would be a great idea. The slope selection and step-dependent time feature are what really separates it from other sequencers.

In the ModCan realm, the 55B Dual Quantizer is an amazing module for tonal music. The variety of its 48 scales is fantastic, it tracks bipolar voltages (a surprisingly rare feature), and there is voltage control over transpose and scale selection with the benefit of a pulse out for each note shift when you aren't using the clock input. Plus having two truly independent quantizers in one module is a boon.

Those would probably be my top three since they all have markedly different functions but there's many others I'd recommend beyond that, particularly if you are into DIY. Check out the Bridechamber site for some amazing DIY projects - here's the link. If you aren't into DIY, many of those projects can be purchased built or you can hire one of a handful of techs around the forums to build them for you. A few people have had Todd Fletcher build their Klees for them, all with nothing but praise for his build quality.
consumed
the modcan quantizer is unparalleled IMO
the modcan VCDO is an incredibly useful oscillator with wide range and timbre.
i like nearly every motm filter that paul makes. standouts are the 440, 480 and 410 IMO
dude
stg mankato
a ton of modcan! 66b control is awesome and simple and nothing else like it exists afaik
modcan quantizer, cv recorder. i personally don't mess with 5u motm unless found used.
sandyb
if it's filters you're looking for then the suggestions of modcan and motm are good ones. they make loads of them! i can't honestly say which ones as i only like bandpass filters which limits my view on them somewhat!

i'd also say look into modcan for some modules you won't find in euro. cv recorder, vcdo, dvdo, quad lfo - they're all great modules. the quantizer may well be something you'd like too.

you might also like to consider motm's 730 vc pulse divider

both motm and modcan make all the utility modules (vca, mixer etc..) that you'd need to make your 5U system standalone if you decided to do that. i'd say get 5U modules to go with the euro first though. patching them together is no hassle using a simple 1/4" to 1/8" conversion panel.

sandy
Falcon
Thank's for all the reply.
Somebody try the THE C 1670 ENSEMBLE GENERATOR(is it working with MOTM format?)
dude
does he do motm? i thought it was just dotcom style. and doesn't jlr have one of those? surely somebody around here has one.
bf
As far as filters go, the COTA and Thomas White's 292c clone are players. I also find the mankato working its way into my patches frequently, though mine is built on a bridechamber panel. Encore's frequency shifter is another fun module. The range of my hands on experience is fairly limited though, so take the comment for what it is.
JohnLRice
Falcon wrote:
Thank's for all the reply.
Somebody try the THE C 1670 ENSEMBLE GENERATOR(is it working with MOTM format?)


If you have wood mounting rails it is fairly easy to mount together a mix of MOTM/Modcan and DotCom/COTK/Mos-Lab/Moog/STG Both considered 5U, just keep in mind that the panel widths and mounting hole positions are a little different so if you try to mix both kinds with machined metal rails, it wont really work.

Here's a couple things I did with my COTK C1670 thumbs up I do have a mix of both sizes of 5U modules but I keep them seperated in different racks.




Falcon
Thank's John for the reply ,wonderful music by the way.
I really like this module(1670) is there something similar is other brand?
What's VCO you guys recommend?
A lot of you recommend modcan stuff ,should i get modcan B or A modules to fit with MOTM?
Thank's.
Falcon
I guess it's Modcan B to fit with MOTM!!!
parasitk
Yes B Series for 1/4" MOTM format goodness.
Falcon
Also what VCA do you recommend?
russma
The MOTM-190 Dual VCA sounds great and has a handy built-in Ring-Mod.

Oakley makes a triple VCA module, in a convenient 2U-wide module.

They also make a handy envelope module with a built-in VCA.
NV
Falcon wrote:
Also what VCA do you recommend?


I'm a big champion of Oakley's Triple VCA - 3 very high quality VCAs in a 2U package for a very reasonable price. I built my own however, so I'm not sure what the price would equate to for a tech-built module but I imagine it would still be reasonable.

The ModCan 4VCA is a solid contender as well, although it's rather expensive. However it does incorporate selectable AC/DC modes and a 4x1 sub-mixer in addition to the 4 VCAs, so if functional density is what you're after then it doesn't get much more dense than the 4VCA.

There's also a handful of more "interesting" VCAs out there, many of which can be found on the Bridechamber site. CGS has the Tube VCA which can provide some unique character to a signal, and if you can't get enough of the LPGs in your QMMG then you may like the Buchla LoPass Gate which provides a different take from the QMMG on the general LPG concept.
bf
idiotboy wrote:
Oakley makes a triple VCA module, in a convenient 2U-wide module.

They also make a handy envelope module with a built-in VCA.
I can recommend both of these.
rezzn8r
I have the Modcan 4VCA and the VCA Panner. Both are excellent. The 21B Panner has all kinds of potential. SlayerBadger!
xart
A PAIR (2) of the LFO2

http://www.megaohmaudio.com/LFO.html


I love them....and want 2 more!

thumbs up


dude
modcan 4vca is where it is at! the sum out is priceless. turns it into a fully vc mixer. the only thing which would make it even better would be to have the different response curves like on the their dual vca but i use a 4vca and qmmg as my only vca's (outside of occasional filter type vca'ing)
JohnLRice
Falcon wrote:
I really like this module(1670) is there something similar is other brand?
The only one I can think of is the JH String Ensemble / Triple Chorus but you would have to build that yourself or pay someone like Nelson Templton to build it for you. Here is some info:
http://www.jhaible.de/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionJHTripleChorus.htm

Falcon wrote:
What's VCO you guys recommend?
I highly recommend Synth Tech MOTM-300 ultra VCO's! I own 4! hyper love
http://www.synthtech.com/motm300.html



Also the MOTM-310 uVCO (I own 2) http://www.synthtech.com/motm310.html and the Oakley VCO (own 1) http://www.oakleysound.com/vco.htm are most excellent too! hihi 8_)

Falcon wrote:
A lot of you recommend modcan stuff ,should i get modcan B or A modules to fit with MOTM?
As you figured out already, Modcan B! thumbs up
JohnLRice
Falcon wrote:
Also what VCA do you recommend?


I really love my 2 MOTM-190 VCAs! w00t In fact, I just ordered some parts to build a third one! hyper http://www.synthtech.com/motm190.html

BlueOctopus
Anything Modcan is great but the Dual Frequency Shifter is especially great for weirdness. I like it so much that I plan on getting another one in A format when it becomes available.
BlueOctopus
I think every child in the land should be given a Modcan Dual Frequency Shifter at birth. Can't recommend it enough.
JohnLRice
BlueOctopus wrote:
I think every child in the land should be given a Modcan Dual Frequency Shifter at birth. Can't recommend it enough.


So long as the "law" is retro-active, I will vote for it! applause (I'd hate to have to get married to just anyone off the street and father a child to get the module! hihi )
Falcon
Hey,
This is what i'm planning to get to complement my Euro system please let me know what you think:

modcan dual quantizer 55b
modcan cv recorder 57b
modcan VCDO
modcan 66b control
MOTM 440
MOTM-940 Patch Panel
motm similar to E 350 in eurorack.
motm 300+310
motm 190
COTK C1670

Thank's.
Falcon
Is there a case that you suggest for this set up?

Thank's.
bwhittington
Falcon wrote:
Is there a case that you suggest for this set up?

Thank's.


If you leave out the Ensemble Generator, you might simplify your life in more ways than one. The relevant one to this question is not needing a case that can accommodate two formats. As is, the stuff would all sort of fit into a Dotcom portable (with some gaps at the end on the rows), or it could be made to fit into any case with wood rails. You could get a rack case and use MOTM and Dotcom rails, but it looks like you would need three sets of rails with the COTK module added., so that'd be a 15u case.

Cheers,
Brian
klstay
Now that Bridechamber has the panels/hardware (even if you don't DIY there are folks who will build it for you) the Mattson VC Mixer looks mighty fine to me. I am hoping to add 2 as finances permit.
essex sound lab
bwhittington wrote:

If you leave out the Ensemble Generator, you might simplify your life in more ways than one. The relevant one to this question is not needing a case that can accommodate two formats. As is, the stuff would all sort of fit into a Dotcom portable (with some gaps at the end on the rows), or it could be made to fit into any case with wood rails. You could get a rack case and use MOTM and Dotcom rails, but it looks like you would need three sets of rails with the COTK module added., so that'd be a 15u case.


I was going to type something similar to this, but hadn't had enough caffeine to do the precise math on what size case we'd be talking about. Another option would be to go with more MU-format modules, to balance out the case a bit and make the "module math" add up better.

That said, I do have to comment that the Ensemble Generator is kind of a mixed bag. Because of a design flaw, I don't find it as flexible/useful as I thought I would. I personally wouldn't go through the hassle of setting up a dual-format case just to accommodate it.
bwhittington
essex sound lab wrote:

That said, I do have to comment that the Ensemble Generator is kind of a mixed bag. Because of a design flaw, I don't find it as flexible/useful as I thought I would. I personally wouldn't go through the hassle of setting up a dual-format case just to accommodate it.


That was another of the "more ways than one" I alluded to, though I think I sent him a PM on that a few weeks ago, so I wasn't going to belabor the point. Since he seems to still be interested, maybe you should consider offering him yours. Getting the module he wants minus the headaches and uncertainty of ordering from Kazike would be the way to go, and it sounds like that might be good for you, too.

Cheers,
Brian
essex sound lab
bwhittington wrote:
Since he seems to still be interested, maybe you should consider offering him yours. Getting the module he wants minus the headaches and uncertainty of ordering from Kazike would be the way to go, and it sounds like that might be good for you, too.


I don't dislike it enough to rid myself of it...yet. But if the MacBeth stuff rolls out and therefore fills in a row I'm reserving for it I may need to start thinking about "real estate" issues again.
bwhittington
essex sound lab wrote:
I don't dislike it enough to rid myself of it...yet. But if the MacBeth stuff rolls out and therefore fills in a row I'm reserving for it I may need to start thinking about "real estate" issues again.


Why don't you just go ahead and go floor to ceiling with wall-mounted cases? Just ask yourself What Would Hans Zimmer Do?

Cheers,
Brian
essex sound lab
bwhittington wrote:

Why don't you just go ahead and go floor to ceiling with wall-mounted cases? Just ask yourself What Would Hans Zimmer Do?


I'm frighteningly close to that now.
JohnLRice
Falcon wrote:
Is there a case that you suggest for this set up?

Thank's.


I REALLY love the EWI Tourcase racks from Audiopile:
http://www.audiopile.net/products/Cases/RE_series_roadcases/RUE_Case_p roducts_page.shtml





JohnLRice
essex sound lab wrote:
bwhittington wrote:

If you leave out the Ensemble Generator, you might simplify your life in more ways than one. The relevant one to this question is not needing a case that can accommodate two formats. As is, the stuff would all sort of fit into a Dotcom portable (with some gaps at the end on the rows), or it could be made to fit into any case with wood rails. You could get a rack case and use MOTM and Dotcom rails, but it looks like you would need three sets of rails with the COTK module added., so that'd be a 15u case.


I was going to type something similar to this, but hadn't had enough caffeine to do the precise math on what size case we'd be talking about. Another option would be to go with more MU-format modules, to balance out the case a bit and make the "module math" add up better.

That said, I do have to comment that the Ensemble Generator is kind of a mixed bag. Because of a design flaw, I don't find it as flexible/useful as I thought I would. I personally wouldn't go through the hassle of setting up a dual-format case just to accommodate it.


Another reasonable possibility IMHO if you are only trying to wedge a single DotCom/Moog/COTK/MU/etc module into a rack of MOTM/Modcan . . it "should" be possible to just have two rows of MOTM rails and then put the Ensemble Generator (EnsGen for short thumbs up) at one of the far ends and . . . gasp . . drill some extra mounting holes in the EnsGen! eek! woah applause

Or . . .you could drill the MOTM rails in one of several ways?:
    * drill small hole and tap the threads
    * drill medium hole and use alternative self tapping sheet metal screws
    * drill large holes so the regular sided screws can pass right through and then use lock washers and nuts on the other side. meh


Quote:
Because of a design flaw, I don't find it as flexible/useful as I thought I would.


Which 'desing flaw'? hmmm..... You mean the need to "kick start it" with the secret switch position when powered on? That doesn't seem so bad to me. You mean the 'chip noise' level? That can be annoying and often problematic at times when trying to create a patch, I'll agree. It is an expensive module and for the most part a "one-trick-pony" but . . it's a pretty good trick! Mr. Green

As far as ordering from COTK/Kazike, yes, communications and understanding what is going on has at least on one occasion gotten me quite upset/frustrated, but in the end I have always received what I ordered and they've never invoiced me until the modules were ready to ship or at least close to being ready. (meaning I may have waited 6 to 9 months after ordering before they shipped but I've only waited about 1 to three weeks after paying the invoice before they shipped) They have really cool modules so if you want some of them, dealing with them by using paitient and polite persistance has worked out for me so far. thumbs up
nerdware
The EWI TOURCASE could be ideal for me, if I could find someone selling them in the UK. Only $120 for a shallow 10U case, but how much for the shipping? Then there's the import duty and VAT. cry

Mind you, a plastic Gator case is probably much lighter...
Peake
MOS-LABs LPF, Oscillators...nearly anything Modcan especially quad VCAs, the Frequency Shifter, reverb, delays, Polyfusion filters...STG Mankato/Diode Ladder/ARP filters, wavemultiplier, sequencer stuff...synthesizers.com 960 sequencer and all of their utility modules including envelopes, etc...anything Macbeth that comes out in 5U...check Yusynth, and other new players for excellent offerings, and the Oakley modules as well, especially the oscillators and moog-style filter.


And of course, Original Moog 904a and any of their oscillators, if you have the power supply for them.
Norman_Phay
You could talk about thet ModCan Polyfusion filters, Mike, I haven't used those & have been a bit curious about hem. I don't know anyone who has either.
Peake
Norman_Phay wrote:
You could talk about thet ModCan Polyfusion filters, Mike, I haven't used those & have been a bit curious about hem. I don't know anyone who has either.


Yes.
dude
well?
Peake
Deep subject (well).
Falcon
Thank's for the answer but i'm not really into tourcase has it will stay in the studio.
What do you think about my list :
modcan dual quantizer 55b
modcan cv recorder 57b
modcan VCDO
modcan 66b control
MOTM 440
MOTM-940 Patch Panel
motm similar to E 350 in eurorack.
motm 300+310
motm 190
COTK C1670

Will it make sens will my euro set up?
Thank's.
Norman_Phay
Alright, I'll rephrase it - Mike, I would be interested to read your opinions on the polyfusion filters, either in their original format, or as repackaged my Bruce @ ModCan, what is it you like about them?
ach_gott
Falcon wrote:
Thank's for the answer but i'm not really into tourcase has it will stay in the studio.
What do you think about my list :
modcan dual quantizer 55b
modcan cv recorder 57b
modcan VCDO
modcan 66b control
MOTM 440
MOTM-940 Patch Panel
motm similar to E 350 in eurorack.
motm 300+310
motm 190
COTK C1670

Will it make sens will my euro set up?
Thank's.


I would get rid of the MOTM-940 and just use adapters or cables that are 1/8" to 1/4". And you've heard people discuss the COTK C1670. If you want to avoid the mixed format/power stuff you might be able to find someone to build you (or build yourself) a JH Triple Chorus: http://www.jhaible.de/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
DickyKnee
anything!

because there is not enough room to swing the cat in anything smaller than 5U...
Paradigm X
i couldnt live without the oakley vrg now, need more. does so much. and so well.

we're not worthy
josaka
people are just telling you what they like ..seems like.. really depends what you are aiming to make..
the videos by these guys cover a lot of ground and are helpful.. thanks to you all smile

sduck
https://www.youtube.com/user/sduck409
john L rice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjjgeW2UIc
Alternating bit
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNbWmqLX0Fv0ZISeosboI_35yzaorzv yW
seb @ mos-lab
https://www.youtube.com/user/seb17320
corsynth
https://www.youtube.com/user/Corsynth
steroactixxx
https://www.youtube.com/user/Stereotactixxx
dr vague
https://www.youtube.com/user/doctorvague
seho chang
https://www.youtube.com/user/liangbaogong
Rhythmicons
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7UivsLRmiiB-cWGopnVdPA

by no means anything complete.. but a start
josaka
shockingly my post has nothing to do with yours.. not mentioning anything from your post may have been a clue..
Paradigm X
well, im by no means an expert, nor can i claim to fully understand the vrg, tbph, but it can do

gated slews (ie slides, like tb303)
assymetric lfos (fast up, slow down etc)
AR envelope
AD envelope
A sub-octave generator (in certain cases, bit over my head but does do fun things)
basic vco (not 1v/oct)

and probably a lot more.

As i said, im no expert, perhaps paul krisp1 and or tony allgood could expand on this?

this thread has some more info too

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52965

cheers
josaka
vrg looks great.. how do you program your "slides"?
bleeds_on_keys
I couldn't live with myself if I didn't acquire an STG Mixer. The inverted out sounds superb, and it gets THAT TONEtm
Verschroben
bleeds_on_keys
Can't live with myself right now since I don't own it yet.
JohnLRice
"Must have modules in 5U!" Yes, I totally agree! w00t screaming goo yo w00t
bleeds_on_keys
JohnLRice wrote:
"Must have modules in 5U!" Yes, I totally agree! w00t screaming goo yo w00t


wsy
Another vote for Oakley VRGs. Get two.

I have two, in MU format, and they've gotten moved to front and center because I find them so darn useful.

- Bill
Paradigm X
josaka wrote:
vrg looks great.. how do you program your "slides"?


i cant remember the specific patching (its in the user manual) but basically when you apply a gate to the gate input it slides, and when you dont it doesnt! w00t

bleeds_on_keys wrote:
I couldn't live with myself if I didn't acquire an STG Mixer. The inverted out sounds superb, and it gets THAT TONEtm


good shout, i have a manhatten analog diy CP3 which i beleive is the same, sounds fantastic. got another one too build too.
wsy
josaka wrote:
vrg looks great.. how do you program your "slides"?


Simple -

Buy an Oakley VRG or two.

Patch the pitch CV in on "Slew In", take your glissando pitch CV out from "output".

I get a nice glissando with the knobs about 6 or 7.

- Bill
Sideshow
It's a bit funny to see how some people tend to say that MOTM-format is dead, but when OP asks for must have modules most of them are originally MOTM-format modules...

MOTM is not dead (could be a great slogan smile )
josaka
..lets have a new dig at must have stuff 2018.. Rockin' Banana!
Rex Coil 7
CV-to-MIDI converter

... read that carefully ... a 5U/MU module that converts CV signals to MIDI signals (not the common MIDI to CV).

I want you to think about how many ways you could utilize many of those crazy-cool 5U modules you have to modulate any of your MIDI synths or other MIDI devices (such as FX units that have MIDI I/O and also have MIDI implementation charts).

The list of modules that could be used to play with your MIDI synths is as long as your leg!

** Sequencers.
** LFOs.
** Env Gens.
** Pitch Wheels/joysticks.
** Ribbon Controllers.
** Modulation wheels.
** S/H modules.
** Others?

At our disposal, we have MIDI/CV converters that bring velocity, aftertouch, note-on, note-pitch, MIDI mod wheels, MIDI pitch wheels, arpeggiators, sequencers, other?

But we have almost NO means of bringing the power and capability of our voltage controlled gear into our digital/MIDI gear.

There is no reason for this.

Think about using one of your modular LFOs to modulate the delay time of your favorite digital delay that has MIDI "CC" capability to control that delay time. Or using an Env Gen to do the same thing. Or using an analogue sequencer to do the same thing. Wow.

Think about using S/H to modulate the cutoff or VCO pitch of your favorite digital rompler or VA super synth.

The tech exists, it's not expensive, and there is no reason we should be denied this marriage. Think about a 5U/MU combination module that has MIDI-to-CV ... and ... CV-to-MIDI.

The power ...... the utter power! eek! woah

(and we also need an aid module for the Dot Com Q114 ... the need is glaringly obvious .... yup, still bangin' that drum!)
lol

thumbs up
josaka
what .. like this.. ?
http://www.lunar-experience.com/download/552.pdf
Synthbuilder
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
But we have almost NO means of bringing the power and capability of our voltage controlled gear into our digital/MIDI gear.

There is no reason for this.

Possibly because hardware midi is an old protocol and doesn't allow for very fast modulation speeds. Slowly moving parameters aren't too bad but for fast changing parameters midi, and quite often the connected hardware, will struggle to keep up.

I'm not sure of what the maximum bandwidth is for a single 14 bit CC signal would be via one midi channel but I will check. I don't think it'll be much more than 200Hz though.

Tony
JohnLRice
josaka wrote:
what .. like this.. ?
http://www.lunar-experience.com/download/552.pdf
thumbs up Here an oldie but goodie hmmm..... A little repatative with no real development but I like it anyways. cool It's a MIDI keyboard output going to a COTK MIDI to CV/Gate arpeggiator module that is both playing the modular synth and the arp output is also going to a Moon 552 CV/Gate to MIDI converter and playing a MIDI rack synth.

josaka
JohnLRice wrote:
josaka wrote:
what .. like this.. ?
http://www.lunar-experience.com/download/552.pdf
thumbs up Here an oldie but goodie hmmm..... A little repatative with no real development but I like it anyways. cool It's a MIDI keyboard output going to a COTK MIDI to CV/Gate arpeggiator module that is both playing the modular synth and the arp output is also going to a Moon 552 CV/Gate to MIDI converter and playing a MIDI rack synth.


Honestly I am not one to say things are 'good' readily.
(you would be hard pressed to find one in muffs !)
(I think most stuff posted here and in muffs generally is pretty poor and mostly poor forumla stuff which no one would buy.)
but... just watching the start of 'You were never really here' and that piece would not seem out of place at all.. smile
thumbs up
Synthbuilder
Synthbuilder wrote:
I'm not sure of what the maximum bandwidth is for a single 14 bit CC signal would be via one midi channel but I will check. I don't think it'll be much more than 200Hz though.


Just checked with someone who knows about these sorts of things. He reckons it would be closer to 390Hz but that would be the ONLY thing you could send down the whole midi cable let alone in one channel. That pretty much rules out fast envelopes.

Note and gate information take less data to send which is why John could send such great arp work to the midi module. thumbs up

Tony
josaka
current 'must haves'
Synth-werk 901 and 921 banks..
Dual DDVCO's
the hordyk Sync Osc
Mos Lab Kobal Bank..!
basimilus..
Krisp Octa quad
FC Waverider LFO
and the CGS Sub osc.
top filter is still the megaohm Delta
ADSR's the Oakley looping ADSR/VCA + SSL 1235 looping ADSR/VCA + 1230 looping VC/ADSR
Dave Peck
Synthbuilder wrote:
Synthbuilder wrote:
I'm not sure of what the maximum bandwidth is for a single 14 bit CC signal would be via one midi channel but I will check. I don't think it'll be much more than 200Hz though.


Just checked with someone who knows about these sorts of things. He reckons it would be closer to 390Hz but that would be the ONLY thing you could send down the whole midi cable let alone in one channel. That pretty much rules out fast envelopes.

Note and gate information take less data to send which is why John could send such great arp work to the midi module. thumbs up

Tony


Yep. Midi works great for instantaneous changes like stepped CVs or note on/off, and it works great for slowly changing continuous CV signals like slow LFOs, but it can't properly handle fast signals that are continuously changing, like a 400 hz sine wave. It results in severe stair stepping / 'zippering' artifacts getting imparted on the signal, or it just chokes.

There are some work-arounds for this, in limited applications - for example there are midi to CV converters (but not CV to midi as is being discussed here) like the Encore Expressionist that include their own portamento functions and LFO signals which get added to the control signal AFTER the midi bottleneck, and avoid zipper artifacts. But that's no help if you want to generate fast continuous CV signals in your analog modular and send them somewhere via midi.
Rex Coil 7
What of pitch bend?

The last few weeks I've been on a quest to locate a CV-to-MIDI that will allow using (something like) a Dot Com pitch wheel to do pitch bends on digital/MIDI rack synths or the Nord Micro Modular. Roger Arrick makes all of these wonderful performance controllers ... it would be nice to be able to use them with digital/MIDI synths.

I've been corresponding with the eggheads at Kenton Electronics regarding that very subject. They (of course) offer their "Pro CV to MIDI" converter. They've said that the pitch wheel must be calibrated to 1v/octave output for their device to operate properly. Why is that? This simply baffles me. The wheel simply puts out voltage, it's up to the destination device (or the cv-to-midi converter) to turn that voltage into some sort of calibrated response.

If the wheel puts out (let's say) 2 volts when rolled all the way up, and that bends the note past the desired target pitch ... then don't roll it up as much with your hand! The player's hand is the "calibrator" (so to speak).

I've sent them links to the Dot Com Q181WP Datasheet for them to review (jsyk).

I just cannot seem to comprehend why "the wheel must be calibrated to 1v/octave" .... that just doesn't gonkulate in my head. How would one calibrate a wheel to 1v/octave in the first place? All it does is output voltage .... it's up to the device receiving that voltage to figure out what to do with it.

Meh .... it's probably just another instance of me not knowing my ass from a hole in the ground .... again.

RE; the Moon 552 ...

josaka wrote:
what .. like this.. ?
http://www.lunar-experience.com/download/552.pdf


It might do ... but again, what of pitch bend?



IN ANY CASE: I'm waiting on a shipment notification from a particular vendor on the Kenton Pro CV-to-MIDI box. Once they get their shipment in, I'll buy one immediately. I have several Dot Com "controllers" (not the wheel though) ... they all use the exact same output section ... the joystick, the foot control interface, the ribbons ... they all use the very same sub-panel with the very same controls and abilities. So while I don't have the wheel I want to use with my rack synths (the Q181WP) I can still test the concept using one of the other Dot Com controllers I have with the Kenton thingy.

I've also corresponded with that dude "Os" at Expert Sleepers regarding this pitch bend issue. He says he can write the script needed to modify one or two of his products to do this CV/MIDI pitchbend trick. He says that all it would take on the end user's part would be to download the custom firmware from him and upload that firmware into one of his devices (either the Disting Mk4 or the "General CV" module).

I'll point out that neither the Kenton converter nor the Expert Sleepers modules are in 5U format ... which is what this thread is about.

Right?

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cornutt
Synthbuilder wrote:


I'm not sure of what the maximum bandwidth is for a single 14 bit CC signal would be via one midi channel but I will check. I don't think it'll be much more than 200Hz though.

Tony


If you blasted out Pitch Wheel messages continuously, alternating positive and negative values, I get 520 Hz. That's two three-byte message, at 10 bits/byte (when the start and stop bits are included), dividing into the 31250 baud rate. For a CC, it takes two messages to send 14 bits of data, so 12 bytes per pair of messages, or 260 Hz. So your guess was close.
josaka
another great sounding 'creative' inventive filter that should be in 5u..

JohnLRice
josaka wrote:
another great sounding 'creative' inventive filter that should be in 5u..

Sounds great! Although, I may be wrong after just a short listen of the demo but it often seems to sound a lot like the Happy Nerding Fun VCF to me. hmmm..... Of course the feature sets have a lot of differences but with the price of the Strange Science Instruments F-1 at $450 for a eurorack module and likely even more expensive for a 5U version, someone could get much of this sound with a 5U Fun VCF for only $200? cool



Skip to 7 minutes in to get past the white noise tests and start of the formant-ish sounding stuff
josaka
good shout John..smile those HN filters are nice..
you would still need some other modules for the offsets..filter poles ..saturation and more for the stereo aspects.. smile be surprised if $450 would get you there.. .you could get close.. smile .
hamildad
I think an oscillator is a must have module in 5U. Probably a filter as well.

Blacet Blacet
fac
Multiples! Cause we can't stack cables.
LED-man
Here’s my MU300 version with original MOTM300 pcb.
I can offer the panels and assembled modules.



JohnLRice
LED-man wrote:
Here’s my MU300 version with original MOTM300 pcb.
I can offer the panels and assembled modules.

Counting dial for the win! thumbs up
josaka
LED-man wrote:
Here’s my MU300 version with original MOTM300 pcb.
I can offer the panels and assembled modules.





super-werk !!
Sir Ruff
josaka wrote:

top filter is still the megaohm Delta


Interesting/funny, a friend was just telling me today that that is 1 of their two fav filters too. I had one YEARS ago in frac and don't remember a whole lot about it other than the fact it could get pretty grimy. How does it compare to the Journeyman?
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