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Unsung / lesser-known software for musics?
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odditymedium
Yes, musics in plural.

I'm talking of stuff like:

Xronomorph (any of Dynamic Tonality's warez, really, I just included Xronomorph cos its the best tool I've seen for Euclidean rhythms)
DIN
Radium
Giada


Top-notch VST/AU's also welcome. Madrona Lab's Aalto comes to mind.

The more obscure/niche the better.
solaris
marcohack
th0nk
odditymedium
solaris wrote:
marcohack
th0nk


links?
cycad73
odditymedium wrote:
Yes, musics in plural.

I'm talking of stuff like:

Xronomorph (any of Dynamic Tonality's warez, really, I just included Xronomorph cos its the best tool I've seen for Euclidean rhythms)


Thanks -- everything on this site is interesting. It's kind of a formalization of stuff I've worked out on my own by trial and error. I followed various links to a CMJ article explaining the theory behind this tool:

Computational creation and morphing of multilevel rhythms by control of evenness

The idea of "well-formed" hierarchical structures, tonal as well as rhythmic is quite interesting. I've been approaching polyrhythms more from the idea of phasing (horizontally) without realizing that there are very rich theoretical structures behind the content of such rhythms, and that there can be vertical as well as horizontal integration.

I found also a link to Guerino Mazzola's book -- Cool Math for Hot Music

It's hard sometimes to follow these developments because I'm not much a fan of the closed environment of software. Something like Max that I can program myself and use to control hardware, is the exception.

It seems that if one is doing interesting research in music theory the result is always accompanied by some app or plugin, because that's where the money is (people looking to get hired by large SW companies, so they develop skills mainly in these areas).
Scot Solida
I've been digging HISE a lot lately. It's a Kontakt-like sample player/synth, but the cool thing is that you can build your own instruments complete with scripts and custom interfaces, these can then be exported as VST, AU, AAX plugs on Mac, Windows, Linux as well as spitting out standalone instruments for all three platforms plus iOS apps. Open source and free if you don't want to commercialize the things you make.

http://hise.audio
adam
supercollider
Scot Solida
Not sure if it could be considered 'lesser known' or not, but Usine is also very cool:

http://www.sensomusic.org

I also like Trilobite quite a lot, though the free version is a bit buggy:

http://www.darwinarts.com
poppinger
There's Hourglass and apparently he's working on a pretty cool looking piece of software that incorporates a bunch of things from CDP with the Hourglass granular stuff.

Spear is pretty interesting.

Also, Tapestrea.
Ramases
Virtual ANS is quite good fun.

http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/ans/
thelizard
Argeiphontes Lyre for Mac: http://www.akirarabelais.com/o/software/al/build/al6.zip

Cecilia 5 and Soundgrain: http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/

blue for CSound: http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

WREN for Windows: http://bluehell.electro-music.com/wren/

Music SDP: http://musicsdp.com/

Iannix: https://www.iannix.org/en/

AC Toolbox: http://www.actoolbox.net/

IXI Audio: http://www.ixi-audio.net/content/software.html
dpcoffin
Thanks all; fantastic thread:)

The fact that anything as simple, powerful and delightful as Xronomorph might still be obscure is pretty baffling tho!

Hypercyclic may not have the same depth or range as these others but is worth adding, I think…
mt3
sknote - quality for cheap
epic soundlabs - for morphing and maximizing CPU fan rotation
inear display - especially their freeware
twisted tools - all
flux trax - amazing
Swann
Maybe not unknown, but worth mentioning.
http://www.plogue.com/products/bidule/

It's a bit higher level than PD/MAX but still quite powerful.
Luap
I was going to start a thread about this, but this one will do..

Oscistudio. Basically bespoke software geared towards oscilloscope music. Its a little crude currently, but still very cool.

http://oscilloscopemusic.com



Scolbio
Thank you guys for all the links
I just had a little fun with DIN cool
justin3am
I've had lots of fun with Gleetchlab and Berna
flippantminister
solaris wrote:
marcohack
th0nk


th0nk was the best. Loved it. Didn't fool with software again for a long time after i upgraded past its usability...
Vortico
All these suggestions are fantastic, especially the spectral editing software! I should add to the list some mod trackers: OpenMPT, FamiTracker, Psycle, etc. Good for sequencing MIDI quickly since you can specify which channel notes are played on with multichannel Eurorack MIDI to CV interfaces.
Riggar
love this and use it muchly ...

Paul's Extreme Sound Stretch - http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/
astrodislocate
Reaktor:

Jinrai - A really interesting synth, admittedly with a pretty unintuitive layout. Even if you don't know what's going on though you can get some pretty unique stuff out of it with little effort.

Colugo's Blocks - All of them are criminally underrated.

SalamanderAnagram's "transform" ensembles - He made these about 5 years ago, and they don't seem to be on the user library for whatever reason, but they're great.

Max:

the "sound design with Max" patches Bunch of great stuff here, including Endjinn, one of the best asynchronous granular synths I know of. Also "Random Slice Container", which is probably the closest thing out there to a Max version of S-Layer.

"Modulate!" A standalone modular synth software made in Max. The standalone program is for OSX, which means I can't personally use it, but the source code patches for individual modules can be made into abstractions regardless of OS, and they're pretty good.

VSTs:

Glitchmachines plugins "Glitch" seems to be becoming a bit of a buzzword these days, but in this case it really is a decent descriptor of what a lot of the plugins do. Pretty good prices, too.

Variety of Sound plugins Damn fine tools for mixing and mastering, all of them free. Only caveat is that they're only for Windows
ignatius
renoise
renoise
renoise
and
renoise.

audiomulch

five12 numerology

recently updated Aeries verb. more than reverb. does weird shit.
http://ariescode.com

crusherX
http://www.accsone.com

anarchy FX
http://www.anarchy-rhythms.com

kammerl
http://www.kammerl.de/audio/
PrimateSynthesis
ignatius wrote:
renoise
renoise
renoise
and
renoise.


secretkillerofnames
ignatius wrote:


recently updated Aeries verb. more than reverb. does weird shit.
http://ariescode.com


Gosh it's on Mac now?!?

This is the guy who worked for Creative Labs or Aureal or something?
wiggy81
+1 for Spear. Fair warning though, once you figure out how to use it - you will loose hours checking out your samples. Mr. Green
Tobor
Spear is poor men's audiosculpt, it was used to extract spectral data for Open Music.

I may suggest Gleetchlab 4... I want to release it in autumn
snakejaw
Keykit https://nosuch.com/keykit/

Surmulot (partially based on Keykit, csound, emacs, etc) http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.html

Autogam http://autogam.free.fr/a_main.htm
shreeswifty
ok i loved keykit so much Tim still supports it? So wonderful
I was in the Composers Quarry a kazillion years ago when keykit and fractal midi was the craze 1999-ish :-)

this thread is great i have one to add

http://lnxstudio.sourceforge.net/

LNX Studio is built on top of SuperCollider and is just so wonderful, it has to be experienced to be appreciated.

Ever dream of sequencing all sort of SuperCollider Instruments with a traditional interface? It's what's kept so many from exploring SuperCollider in the past -- the commandline kind of turns some people off so when i found this i was floored because it gives you the power of supercollider in a much more "user friendly" manner

Enjoy
nikmis
Jeskola Buzz is the greatest DAW of all time


Of all time!
Misk
CDP!!

especially with the CDP Renoise tool from Afta8. Poor-man's (non-realtime) Kyma.

it's awesome. screaming goo yo
dpcoffin
Here's one worth a few days of fun:
geosonix
snakejaw
Does anybody know the link listing the CDP command line "commands"? I thought I saw one somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it. Thanks!
Mashmore
The Party Van
analogue01
ppooll (if it still works, haven't tried in ages)
toitoy
Sonic Pi http://sonic-pi.net/
mt3
Obscurium?
w00t
astrodislocate
Misk wrote:
CDP!!

especially with the CDP Renoise tool from Afta8. Poor-man's (non-realtime) Kyma.

it's awesome. screaming goo yo


+1. There's some seriously mindblowing shit you can do with it if you're patient enough.
secretkillerofnames
Looks like Usine Hollyhock 3 is out! w00t

This is my favourite audio environment for setting up weird combinations of things. Somewhere between Reaktor and Audiomulch. Very deep.
jkammerl
I just release an VST plugin with a novel, more experimental concept. It should be pretty much "unknown" at this point smile
http://kammerl.de/audio/kfingerprints/
TS
+1 for CDP! I just got into it, but I hope to learn more.
nyannarz
I dunno if Cecilia is considered lesser-known, but I definitely haven't seen many other people using it, save for me, Brian Trifon, and a few others.
wiggy81
I forgot to mention sunvox. Previous to this I used to use milkytracker but I switched when I realised just how good sunvox was, imagine a tracker having a one night stand with a visual dsp programming language (like PD) that is stable and straightforward to use and you pretty much have sunvox.

It's also available on multiple platforms (free and beer money level). Think of it as a gateway drug to dsp programming and trackers. If you find yourself saying 'wow this is such an easy way to lay out my tracks' then perhaps you were a closet tracker and you got a whole world of programs to explore then, if the visual dsp stuff begins to give you wood then you can always look at stuff like pure data/max. Or just go completely off the deep end and go full blown dsp programming rabbit hole with csound.

You could torture yourself with csound, some people like that kinda thing though. It is a powerful language. It's like the anti-pd approach to dsp programming. But what you loose with it becoming hard to write and understand you gain with performance and power. I wish I had the time to learn csound properly - once you get over the learning curve it strikes me that anyone that manages it profits greatly. But few manage to get to that stage.
witchbutter
I second Numerology from http://five12.com. I've been using it since version 1 and I still love it. In the newest version you can use the sequencers or any modulation piece as a VST in Live as well as Jim is working on a Eurorack sequencer that can integrate saving from the software directly to the module: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-vector

The other thing I really love is ChucK. http://chuck.stanford.edu/ I do dev/ops by day and it was really intuitive to create sound in ChucK. I need to really go further into FaucK now that they are integrating Faust into ChucK https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~rmichon/fauck/
quixot
snakejaw wrote:
Does anybody know the link listing the CDP command line "commands"? I thought I saw one somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it. Thanks!


Is this what you're looking for?
snakejaw
Yup. Thanks. Bookmarked it.
saldiamond
This one was interesting and fun:

https://www.audiogl.com/en/


Sadly, it seems like it was abandoned.
supersuper
I can recommend nothing directly.

What I can say is that by looking at software you are going to find the best tools available today that are hidden in plain site.

People may want to play with the classic gear their hero's did but if they want to make new and meaningful and further developed sounds they need to be chasing the technology that is presented.

of coarse the luddite trolls will now amass to besiege me . . .

odditymedium wrote:
Yes, musics in plural.

I'm talking of stuff like:

Xronomorph (any of Dynamic Tonality's warez, really, I just included Xronomorph cos its the best tool I've seen for Euclidean rhythms)
DIN
Radium
Giada


Top-notch VST/AU's also welcome. Madrona Lab's Aalto comes to mind.

The more obscure/niche the better.
BlackSheep0507
Was looking for a Windows version of Numerology, and Xronomorph might just be it...
The Grump
Nortron Spectrum 2. If you want wild and weird, check it out.

http://www.dspaudio.com
WiffSnuggler
Frequency (ps2)
JoaCHIP
I'm a Jeskola Buzz user. That's a "tracker" btw. - something people from the amiga era will remember. Buzz is rather modern though, it's modular, runs ASIO, VST plugins, 96khz, 24-bit etc. But the concept is the same.

PS: I also think that Samplitude should be on this list. It's really one of those unsung heros, and it has a decades long history (it was made by SEK'D before Magix bought it, but it's still superb and very pro.)
Exiannyc
I love this thread. Almost everything on it is new to me.

Aalto and Kaivo have rewarded me with pleasure and surprises, more than any other piece of software has.

My favorite thing is physical modeling. Anybody have an obscure recommendation in that terrain?

Can Usine do physical modeling? I didn't see that referenced in the audio modules, but maybe there are add-ons.
dpcoffin
Exiannyc wrote:
I love this thread. Almost everything on it is new to me.

Aalto and Kaivo have rewarded me with pleasure and surprises, more than any other piece of software has.

My favorite thing is physical modeling. Anybody have an obscure recommendation in that terrain?

Can Usine do physical modeling? I didn't see that referenced in the audio modules, but maybe there are add-ons.


Hey Christian, ditto on this thread AND physical modeling. I suspect we're both good enough with google to have already found most everything, but maybe say which ones you already know about so we can see what's maybe passed you (or me!) by? I mostly come back to Reaktor (as if Steampipe wasn't already enough—THAT thing is amazing!—the UL's the best, quirkiest collection anywhere, I've found), Sculpture, Kaivo, resonant delays and AAS, plan to pick up a SWAM double bass asap, and have nabbed a few interesting ios devices (geo-shred, roli…), but rarely do much with those. Gleetchlab seems to have lots of modal controls but isn't actually a synth, right? You know about the $$$ Harm Visser Reaktor/Tassman and IRCAM collections of course…? I'd be very surprised if some if not most of the oddballs already mentioned here didn't have some sort of modeling corners to explore.
If you're on a Mac, seen PA3 derailer?
Exiannyc
dpcoffin wrote:


Hey Christian, ditto on this thread AND physical modeling. I suspect we're both good enough with google to have already found most everything, but maybe say which ones you already know about so we can see what's maybe passed you (or me!) by? I mostly come back to Reaktor (as if Steampipe wasn't already enough—THAT thing is amazing!—the UL's the best, quirkiest collection anywhere, I've found), Sculpture, Kaivo, resonant delays and AAS, plan to pick up a SWAM double bass asap, and have nabbed a few interesting ios devices (geo-shred, roli…), but rarely do much with those. Gleetchlab seems to have lots of modal controls but isn't actually a synth, right? You know about the $$$ Harm Visser Reaktor/Tassman and IRCAM collections of course…? I'd be very surprised if some if not most of the oddballs already mentioned here didn't have some sort of modeling corners to explore.
If you're on a Mac, seen PA3 derailer?


Hi David, you and I have traveled the obscure borderlands of the Reaktor user library in search of wonders for what feels like lifetimes. [g] And truly there are amazing things in there.

I've googled adroitly enough to overhear people complaining about how IRCAM Modalys can waste your time and threaten your sanity. I've read plenty of Lovecraft - Modalys sounds it might be the secret name of one of the Great Old Ones. Or at least it would probably affect me that way.

So much amazingly weird stuff is Mac only and I'm PC. Oh well.

One undeservedly obscure thing I can recommend is M-Theory and Ugo's other plugins. M-theory sounds stunning despite its very concise (and somewhat mystifying) interface. I need to spend more time with it. Also Xoxos. His work with membrane modeling is amazing.

Reaktor Prism sounds fantastic, but I find the interface really difficult to grapple with. If anyone has pointers pls LMK.

I get frustrated with AAS PM VSTs because I want to apply modulation to everything in sight, and - they just don't let you, for some reason. Even Tassman objects have many parameters that you have to set permanently when you create them, and you can't morph or modify them later. That frustrates me (as does everything else about Tassman).

Aalto, along with its elegant sequencer, hidden wave shapers and folders, ingenious polyphony, and boundless recursive modulation, has an amazing waveguide module that makes the sounds feel tactile and rich and organic. It's not PM, strictly speaking, but it's beautiful.

VCV Rack offers Mutable Instruments modules (of course Rings and Elements are PM based). The manuals for MI products especially Elements are really illuminating. I got a lot of insight into how Prism works by reading the Elements manual. If I ever build an actual Eurorack, Rings and Elements will definitely be in there.

All my best regards to all you fearless explorers of the sonic hinterlands.
dpcoffin
Exiannyc wrote:


So much amazingly weird stuff is Mac only and I'm PC. Oh well.

One undeservedly obscure thing I can recommend is M-Theory and Ugo's other plugins. M-theory sounds stunning despite its very concise (and somewhat mystifying) interface. I need to spend more time with it. Also Xoxos. His work with membrane modeling is amazing.


Perfect example of the shoe on the other foot:) Been envying PC folks over these, and mountains of other stuff, for many years!

Exiannyc wrote:
Reaktor Prism sounds fantastic, but I find the interface really difficult to grapple with. If anyone has pointers pls LMK.


Criminally under-described, under-tutorialed device! The best times I've had with it all came after I added Don Garbutt's enhancement pack; highly recommended, EVEN if you've been baffled by his big gun Spektrumsynth.

Exiannyc wrote:
I get frustrated with AAS PM VSTs because I want to apply modulation to everything in sight, and - they just don't let you, for some reason. Even Tassman objects have many parameters that you have to set permanently when you create them, and you can't morph or modify them later. That frustrates me (as does everything else about Tassman).


Ditto big time, really bummed that I once decided I might finally warm up to T if I invested in the Visser package for it. Did NOT happen; should have known the Reaktor version would be better for me. There's some lovely patch collections for the other AAS stuff, but I've never had much fun programming them myself, either.

Exiannyc wrote:
Aalto, along with its elegant sequencer, hidden wave shapers and folders, ingenious polyphony, and boundless recursive modulation, has an amazing waveguide module that makes the sounds feel tactile and rich and organic. It's not PM, strictly speaking, but it's beautiful.


Now, THAT's interesting; I keep wanting to love Aalto, but haven't found the door in yet; thanks for re-inspiring:) Care to share some of your patches for it someday?

Exiannyc wrote:
VCV Rack offers Mutable Instruments modules (of course Rings and Elements are PM based). The manuals for MI products especially Elements are really illuminating. I got a lot of insight into how Prism works by reading the Elements manual.


Ah, great tip, thanks! I doubt I'll ever go for VCV and certainly not hardware, can't abide patch cables of either sort, but esp virtual ones; they seem to violate the main virtue of virtual: You can often skip the dumber parts of analog life! (No doubt the wrong forum in which to make that assertion!)
Exiannyc
dpcoffin
I'll PM you an Aalto patch over on the Reaktor forum so I don't spam everybody on this nice board. It took me a while to get the hang of Aalto but now I love it. Using the VOX feature is key.

OMG thanks for the tip about Prism Animator! I wasn't aware of it. I wish Don could make something like that for AAS products. (I have Spektrumsynth - I had to have it, it's a behemoth, I think it's the biggest and most complicated thing ever built in Reaktor - but then I had no idea what to do with it. I just sat in front of it, stupefied, like a monkey in front of a monolith.)
Exiannyc
Going back to the original topic - sharing obscure and niche means toward unheard musics...

This is a discussion thread on using experimental ensembles in Reaktor. It includes tricks and techniques that may not be obvious, especially to people like me. It also includes comments from some of the wildest builders in the Reaktor User Library.

A lot of the ideas apply beyond Reaktor and there are lots of recommendations of other stuff - fractal music generators! black midi! supercollider!

space monkeys
HighLordFixer
Got bored of other peoples VST... so focused on my own cryptic creations... for doing very specific functions that eye needed composing audio creations...


8step_AnalogSequencer emulation created for driving hardware cv gate voltage via MIDI
At its most basic, an analog sequencer consists of a bank of potentiometers and a "clock" (pulse generator) connected to a sequencer, which steps through these potentiometers one at a time and then cycles back to the beginning. The output of the sequencer is fed (as a control voltage and gate pulse) to a synthesizer. By "tuning" the potentiometers, a short repetitive rhythmic motif or riff can be set up. Electro8 has built in Quantizer, Arppegiator, and various patter play methods including Forward, Reverse, & Back&Forth. Designed for Analog voltage ranges it generates midi that can be created real time recorded into the piano roll. Packed with features! The Electro8 was based on various analog hardware circuits that have used over the years for achieving the same type of creative composition potentials only offered by such sequencing methods.

Necrofile gives you the ability for pushings samples to the extreme combining it with old school reel to reel tape loop methods and classic synthesis processing methods plus digital delay. Necrofile can be used as standard sampler with midi or pushed far beyond by drastic speed/pitch changes, filtering, delay, pan and envelopes that can be assigned via external mdi cc for hands on real time controls. Unleash the power of even the most simple WAV samples with Necrofile!


Analog styled sequencing with features including: Quantizer, Pitch LFO, Arppegiator, Randomizers, Slide, Velocity, Free Running or Host BPM Sync and even more! Created from years of experimentaions with Hardware analog sequencing, ELECTRO+ generates MIDI sequences using "oldschool" compositon methods that can be easily Transposed using external MIDI controller plus can be assigned full MIDI CC for hands on realtime compositional control. Pitch ranges are optimized for Analog Control Voltage of "Vintage Synth" hardware.

This is one of my current Favorites that redesigned for specific project:

Extreme realtime WAV sample manipulator sound engine
Necrofile gives you the ability for pushings samples to the extreme combining it with old school reel to reel tape loop methods and classic synthesis processing methods plus digital delay. Necrofile can be used as standard sampler with midi or pushed far beyond by drastic speed/pitch changes, filtering, delay, pan and envelopes that can be assigned via external mdi cc for hands on real time controls. Unleash the power of even the most simple WAV samples with Necrofile!

besides that Eye always liked the ancient Hyperprism plugins for Mac....
spent some time picking the creators brain in Brooklyn...
we used it on some noise records
Also learned Max/Msp from Berkley professor...

Always had fondness for the oldschool GRM tools...

not really sure of the newest latest VST...
or really care anymore...
They are Weapons of Mass Distraction...
rather streamline my own workflow for faster content generation

Then again, Eye have same type of obsession creating custom circuits.

BTW don't forget about AudioTerm by Mathias Gurk
HighLordFixer
Also made some 64 step sequencer that divided into 8 midi channels on the fly from sections of same 64 measures...
got tired of standard daw sequencers...
so replicated & evolved analog hardware composition tools concepts...
plus wanted something that would generate midi into DAW...
so could wiggle knobs on modular ipso facto...
freeing up my hands from double duty
or just do with some midi CC controller real time...
even though the 4017 can be tons of fun
have habit of designing things when troubleshooting experimentations...
when you hit a wall on your creativity...
it doesn't do something you want it doing...
design some tool for transcending obstacle

No clue if this is even the proper topic for such type of post.
Exiannyc
HighLordFixer wrote:
No clue if this is even the proper topic for such type of post.


@HighLordFixer, your creations are brilliant, you have vision, and you have style. I think your comments are very welcome here. It seems like this is all about building and playing and exploring outside the box.

Your website is an extensive source of historical information on noise and electronic music that I think anyone on this thread would enjoy. I hope they check it out.

Would you consider porting some of your creations into VCV Rack? I think they would be very welcome there.

c.
Dcramer
Sinevibes makes cool AU plugins, most use a sequenced interface so the effects parameters are modulated by XOX style sequence. thumbs up

And for something very different check out this recently updated offering:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2767833#2767833

w00t
thetwlo
solaris wrote:
marcohack

thumbs up
as well as the Michael Norris plugins for Alberto Ricci's SoundEffects app.
Torn n Frayed
The Grump wrote:
Nortron Spectrum 2. If you want wild and weird, check it out.

http://www.dspaudio.com


Crashes constantly but when it's running it's much fun.. SlayerBadger!
Exiannyc
Dcramer
Wow, tx modular looks amazing. A ton of physical modeling... tons of everything, really. Thanks! We live in a golden age!
HighLordFixer
Tausend Dankes Exiannyc!
Eye will look into VCV modular system when have some extra time...
been dreading porting designs over for 64bit...
joined beta team of programmers last year and bought another machine for starting process of porting everything over then cut my leg to the bone...
ended up somehow on program/test team for brutal video game..
more that decade+ ago attempted coming up with expandable virtual modular systems... came up with workable method for flexible snappy flex patch cables.... donated the code(source, tutorials, & projects) for programmer/designer community... because it was becoming obscene time sink for me and needed changing gears back for hardware using real cables... anymore the reason Eye end up coming up with new and/or updating some old design is because personally require something... or something that already created doing way more... for me, VST designs are awesome way for testing intuitive hypothetical theories... that don't waste components if it doesn't function in some usable way....plus always like skinning some thing new...

Your post comments are exceptionally appreciated, since eye tend feeling like an alien cyborg marooned on a planet of mindless morons:P
anyways been immersed on other projects...
thus the delayed response...

DO NOT PRESS ANY PAYPAL BUTTONS UNTIL SPRING EQUINOX
currently under reconstruction
anyways... time getting back for my noisey codeland
Exiannyc
HighLordFixer
Wow, you have been thinking and coding outside the box for a very long time! And giving your work away! Thank you. All of us space monkeys who search the Internet for unusual and interesting software and hardware think we are the explorers. But really we are just following along behind people like you who actually invented the precious treasures we are hoping to find. So thank you.

I hope your leg gets better or is getting better.

Is the Synthwizards forum the best place to find out about your projects? If you bring out something new please let us know. Thanks.
HighLordFixer
Synthwizards forum is just some way for me having easy way arkiving relevant info while working on projects/experiments or when working on something and need something better than bookmarks... made it last month.... owned the domain name for ages so updated my old site plus constructed some system so when send a post link it's wrapped in a nifty looking package:P you may want checking the WP on n01ze http://www.n01ze.com/Muzak/ that is supposed to be for current news.... thanks for reminding me... was totally sidetracked/slammed on re-animating Nihilist & creating new catalog/distro shopping cart system currently....
plus some nihilist specific radio station without running another live streaming capable audio server... they one running on n01ze now is just like 140 hours of stuff on random playing in background while eye program and/or work on circuits... we need one specific for nihilist... so waiting on some API info....
then slacked off last night experimenting with making midi randomizer for samplers or rack hardware last night....should wrap that up with skinjob soon...
honestly it's just as easy sending me some message here because tend sneaking in some "wigglin" when have extra time....
you get how it is....
your exuberance is appreciated
here is one of my favorite old ways for testing creations.... http://console.jp/en/about/about_1.html
it's totally outdated and will never be updated yet it works...
console.jp fits in the strange obscure japanese creations category
it makes any VST you can throw at it modular... program extra in/out ports for cross patching VCO VCF VCA ADSR whatever

secretkillerofnames
HighLordFixer wrote:

here is one of my favorite old ways for testing creations.... http://console.jp/en/about/about_1.html


This is absolutely what I want more of.
Shame I'm now committed to the Apple Borg.
Usine Hollyhock goes some of the ways but it is 32bit only and is slow on my macs.
Audiomulch - another great modulariser of plugins - also 32bit.
Plogue Bidule is pretty much the only 64bit contender at the moment though i'm curious how Reason 10 works with plugs (I hear not so great things).
Forget VST Bridge for VCV I want a VST Host in there!
HighLordFixer

created new Midi Randomizer
used virtual static x2...
VCO/LFO...
BPM Sync LFO 32b to /32 range...
my original white noise method kept crashing sampler causing hard reboot error....
plus added external gate option...
so it can be manually played or sequenced for Kaotic midi noise Blasts...
works for me
Eye will record some demo tracks when have extra time
made multiple versions....
one that is safe for hardware samplers... doesn't cause machine reboots...
KaosMidiFire Xtreme is fully functional for using Midi CV/Gate.... high speed midi bursts
HighLordFixer
SynthWizards KaosMidiFire Xtreme Demo mp3 posted in this thread
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197195&highlight=
next is utility for generating midi CC data using static/noise/LFO plus transposes/writable data with ext controller/piano roll midi in-put
when have extra time...
on the list
eye have "prioritized" projects...
you get how it is
will need something specific for project so make custom tool for performing task required
chriscarter
Some great suggestions here but definitely a +1 for Berna. Not to everyones taste I know but imo v underrated - I've had hours of productive fun with it. Stable too thumbs up
HighLordFixer



some other n01ze makers
Thanks
for the mountains of inspiration
rather than merely more "mountains of madness"
btw those aren't for sale:P
an ancient word
Tribute/Tributus/Tribus
use my re501 clone on almost everything anymore
saves me some wear & tear on my real/reel tape delays
you would have to pop up for suggesting +1 Bernia
forwarded Bernia for old Pataphysical accomplice making vinyl using mac
already have my own concrete maker called NekroFile
yet after seeing Bernia realized eye should replicate some Vintage electronics test gear
specifically for Concrete/Radio Workshop style composition
Bernia looks like so much fun with that VCS matrix
Appreciate your Wigglin!
cheers m8

Exiannyc
HighLordFixer wrote:
SynthWizards KaosMidiFire Xtreme Demo mp3 posted in this thread
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197195&highlight=
next is utility for generating midi CC data using static/noise/LFO plus transposes/writable data with ext controller/piano roll midi in-put
when have extra time...


I like how in that thread you say "feel like I've done this before...
sounds like Nancarrow piano rolls "

Conlon Nancarrow is the father of us all. Truly visionary outside the box MIDI wiggler wanting to hear all the notes at once... even though all he had to work with was a PLAYER PIANO. He's the first person to realize "why do have I have to use a piano roll to imitate 10 human fingers? I can have all the notes I want!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPdX85cv_D8

As a commenter there says, "Nancarrow turned to the player piano to "free himself" from musicians, and he wrote music that was virtually impossible for live musicians to play. He said that if electronic instruments were available during his peak years, he would have used them."

Good 7 minute lecture/demo here https://youtu.be/e2reuQyLoZM Steampunk Black MIDI Pioneer Conlon Nancarrow

https://youtu.be/LFz2lCEkjFk study no. 37

The visualizations here are particularly fantastic, you can see the macro and the micro and really perceive the overall structures. Also the piano sound is warmer and less harsh than in other recordings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0gNoELvpPo

Homage to our fathers and mothers, Conlon Nancarrow Wendy Carlos Pauline Oliveros Eliane Radigue and so many more. who is in your pantheon of inspiration?
Funky40
Klevgrands Reverb.


got it at the sale. not used it really until i loaded it recently into wavelab.
its REALLY interesting and a nice contribution to any Reverb garage wink


with 40$ very affordable. also as ipad FX, 4$
https://klevgrand.se/products/r0verb/

another tipp would be Gaffel
https://klevgrand.se/products/gaffel/
decklyn
I was really into tracking for a long time. I guess that doesn't really count though? I was using Modplug a while ago - I think it can probably still work, with some VST support to boot!
Exiannyc
Ernest Meyer's premium Reaktor ensembles are currently half price.

https://www.yofiel.com/downloads/legacy

They're some of the most intricate Reaktor ensembles I've ever seen. Multiple sequencers that can modulate each other in any way you can imagine. Stuff like that. He calls his approach "metamusic," and I think that's pretty on target.

I got the Reaktor legacy bundles ($5 and $10 respectively, how can you go wrong? The $5 one by itself will keep me busy for weeks, possibly months) and Husserl Sapphire, which at $40 seems totally worth it to me. The sequencers have a FUGUE mode. I don't understand that yet, but it sounds amazing.

His documentation, and demo ensembles, and/or built in help, are extensive.
Oh, and, microtuning support. Away you go.
HighLordFixer
sounds like you invested in some future new horizons for yourself
never used reactor more than once or twice
was already immersed in modular programming systems such as MAX/MSP when it was released
good seeing you are hyped on reactor
and that generates motivation
spent all day just attempting get back for stable ground
after cataclysmic Sysex experiment
only reminding me
it's time for focusing on recordings as highest priority on the list
HighLordFixer

My recent experiment for the past 3 days
so.... did some brainstorming...
plus R&D on granular synthesis
mentally dissected "clouds" module
circuit flowchart
thus with much experimentation plus overcoming obstacles via trial & error method
this is the result
Eye wanted something that created Ganular "clouds" in realtime
GREIGN has 4x Granulators
utilizing & expanding/evolving methods that Eye devised when redesigning NekroFile
This is used in conjunction with KaodMidiFire "KMF" generating psuedo randomized MIDI
creating 4 banks of clouds from audio input
some extreme modulating capabilities with 4 LFOs
plus added ability shuffling through the clouds
using BPM Sync LFO div from 16measures to 1/16th range
plus wide range free running LFO
Time for Recording
GREIGN graduates from ALPHA
alexander92
Slifty . VST .WAV step sequencer by Smart electronix. Pretty cool grainy effects and pretty lofi. http://www.smartelectronix.com/~andreas/files/Slifty_1.01n.zip

And I dig the free plugins from http://www.codefn42.com/ alot, especially note remapper for hard coded drum machines. After you speficy your note, you can sequence up to three notes to an external synth.

Also, CCstepper made by them get alot of use, since CC support in Ableton is non existent.[/url]

Also MIDIpipe saved me alot of hassle tryna sequence my yamaha within ableton. the software blocks midi messages
The Grump
Ok, who remembers Stomper on Win 3.1.1? FX was fun, too. I don't think I've heard anyone mention C-Sound, either. THAT is quite the audio mangler.
J3RK
I just discovered FM Composer today. I was stuck at my computer waiting for things today at work, so popped it up on my third monitor, and whipped up a little tune. It's pretty rough... I was trying to see if I could get some C64 JT types of things going on. It seems I need a bit of practice, but it's a start. I didn't have time to fully flesh it out. hihi

I highly recommend FM Composer if 1) You like FM sounds. 2) You're familiar with trackers.

It's got a lot of nice conveniences though, pretty modern, and has a nice editor for sounds.

w00t

http://fmcomposer.org/en/

Edit: Added another little tune I did today. (also whilst working) Dead Banana

Edit: This tracker is WAY too much fun. Yet another little tune added. hihi

Edit: One more. w00t
J3RK
The Grump wrote:
Ok, who remembers Stomper on Win 3.1.1? FX was fun, too. I don't think I've heard anyone mention C-Sound, either. THAT is quite the audio mangler.


I used to use Stomper to make drums for Fast Tracker 2 w00t
bishun
Kenaxis is pretty interesting, but hasn't been updated in quite awhile. I recently (early 2018) contacted the developer who says because he uses the software for his performance he will continue to update it... but I think he's given up on providing it as a product.
alexander92
Came across Soundgrains today, it's based on Granulair synthesis.

And definitely a weird looking UI, but you have to check this out: http://www.notam02.no/web/prosjekter/mammut/?lang=en
(probably already posted here somewhere, cause its been around for a while)
pottering
thelizard wrote:
Argeiphontes Lyre for Mac: http://www.akirarabelais.com/o/software/al/build/al6.zip

Cecilia 5 and Soundgrain: http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/

blue for CSound: http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

WREN for Windows: http://bluehell.electro-music.com/wren/

Music SDP: http://musicsdp.com/

Iannix: https://www.iannix.org/en/

AC Toolbox: http://www.actoolbox.net/

IXI Audio: http://www.ixi-audio.net/content/software.html


Thanks for the links!

Clicked the Music DSP link and got this:

"Announcing Music_SDP for Ableton Live 10: MSDP4L"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCnj6XB96Q

Looks pretty damn cool.
RealDudes
LOUDMAX BY THOMAS MUNDT
Loopy C
Opusmodus

"Opusmodus is a comprehensive computer-aided environment for the whole work of music composition
a virtual space where a composer can develop ideas and experiments for projects large and small."


https://opusmodus.com

List of 'Functions' (constantly being expanded by developer and users, check the forums!)

https://opusmodus.com/forums/system-functions/


You do NOT have to become fully-fluent in the LISP language for this program to be useful. Generating 'snippets' from fairly straight forward 'Functions' can provide MIDI for other programs...many, MANY examples are included within the built-in documentation for each function.

If you ever wanted to explore various data transforms such as 'Text-to-MIDI', 'Schillinger Interference Sets' any kind of integer/floating number set/vector manipulation and transforms (DNA, satellite data, statistical information...into musical information (notation/MIDI), etc, then you should definitely give this a look ;-) 30 Day fully functioning demo!

Quick sample of some initial areas of suggested exploration:

-12 Tone Tone Row Tools
-Euclidean Generation
-Schillinger Interference
-Noergaar Infinity Series
-Number Theory
-L-Systems
-Cellular Automaton

Try an example from inline documentation, 'audition' through built-in GM or through IAC Bus to another program...and anything 'auditioned' can be saved as MIDI alleviating the need to get into full 'Score' writing to use many of it's functions...allowing one to slowly build up skills for more advanced coding.

Complete set of tutorials, and the book 'Parametric Composition' featured on site by Nigel Morgan (now-deceased) is full of practical examples along with more general concepts of composing via the 'LISP' language.

Active forum...and did I mention 'Live Coding'?

'Old-timers' may remember 'Symbolic Composer' (whose website is currently on hiatus), as the original Music/LISP Composing Environment...with 'Symbolic Composer's future unknown (developer is still active in music but busy with other project last I wrote him)...this could be viewed as logical 'successor ' to it's unique paradigm.


;;;
dpcoffin
Cool, thanks! I DO recall Symbolic Composer and how disappointingly impenetrable and slow it was for me, even after a series of one-to-one email tutorials with the very generous Nigel Morgan; will definitely have a look at this, with cautious hopes:)

Oops!: 299.00 GBP
Loopy C
dpcoffin wrote:
...Oops!: 299.00 GBP


Yeah, serious investment for sure...not just money but time. Whether it's worthwhile is entirely up to your own interests of course ;-)

After 30 days, you will either see a whole future investigating the areas that only something like this facilitates, or not smile

I also struggled with Symbolic Composer...whether it was my mindset or it's particular implementation of inline documentation (which actually they both have), something about Opusmodus just clicked, was able to cross the learning barrier fairly quickly and get very useful output that simply isn't possible through any other means I own.

I am very interested in number theory 'as heard', so really a huge 'playground' for me smile

Numerology 4 Pro, Intermorphic Noatikl, Autotonic, and Opusmodus are a fairly unlimited set of tools for the avant garde/ experimental electronic /modern classical /ambient idm side of my hobby smile
Loopy C
Loopy C wrote:
Numerology 4 Pro, Intermorphic Noatikl, Autotonic, and Opusmodus are a fairly unlimited set of tools for the avant garde/ experimental electronic /modern classical /ambient idm side of my hobby smile


btw, in case you were wondering...for example:

Generate a 'Messiaen permutation set' of integers in Opusmodus, load them into Noatikl 'Pattern Voice' used to trigger/start/stop/gate Numerology sequencers, Numerology in turn 'live-piped' through Autotonic for realtime, moving tonal mapping.

So the 'rhythm' of Numerology comes from Opusmodus data loaded into Noatikl as a kind of sequencer clock, and the shifting harmonic mapping is realized (both programmed and interactively) via Autotonic. All the while Numerology's internal sequencers are having their parameters modulated by various LFO's (which themselves are being modulated), while sound generation parameters also are connected to banks of even more LFO's and other modulator types.

All audio/MIDI recorded back into Numerology.

Basically, all my years reverse engineering my favorite Reaktor ensemble's control schemes manifested into large form macro-structures for a type of desktop/modular contraption! smile
dpcoffin
Loopy C wrote:

I am very interested in number theory 'as heard', so really a huge 'playground' for me :)


Yeah, that's exactly what interested me in SymComp, and I guess remains fundamentally unfulfilled since then, so I remain fascinated, even at that price. For $99 it'd be an instabuy! Ever heard of Opusmodus going on sale?
dpcoffin
Loopy C wrote:
Loopy C wrote:
Numerology 4 Pro, Intermorphic Noatikl, Autotonic, and Opusmodus are a fairly unlimited set of tools for the avant garde/ experimental electronic /modern classical /ambient idm side of my hobby :)


btw, in case you were wondering...for example:

Generate a 'Messiaen permutation set' of integers in Opusmodus…


Does that produce a MIDI file?


Loopy C wrote:

…load them into Noatikl 'Pattern Voice' used to trigger/start/stop/gate Numerology sequencers, Numerology in turn 'live-piped' through Autotonic for realtime, moving tonal mapping.

So the 'rhythm' of Numerology comes from Opusmodus data loaded into Noatikl as a kind of sequencer clock, and the shifting harmonic mapping is realized (both programmed and interactively) via Autotonic. All the while Numerology's internal sequencers are having their parameters modulated by various LFO's (which themselves are being modulated), while sound generation parameters also are connected to banks of even more LFO's and other modulator types.

All audio/MIDI recorded back into Numerology.

Basically, all my years reverse engineering my favorite Reaktor ensemble's control schemes manifested into large form macro-structures for a type of desktop/modular contraption! :)


Thanks for the detailed description, right up my alley:) Would love to see even a very brief video demo of something like this in progress! Got a Soundcloud link to any of your Opusmudus-centered pieces, or specifically of the workflow you just described?

Thanks again, very intrigued!
Loopy C
dpcoffin wrote:
...so I remain fascinated, even at that price. For $99 it'd be an instabuy! Ever heard of Opusmodus going on sale?


There was recently a crossgrade offer for current 'SymCom' users, other than that, myself being a fairly new user... I have not seen any explicit sales.

I assume there is no 'Academic' path for you? (that would get you to the '$99 instabuy' pricing I believe)
Loopy C
dpcoffin wrote:
Does that produce a MIDI file?


In this application, I actually require a raw list of integers to cut/paste, which then I use the 'Search/Replace' function in Opusmodus to add additional format information for Noatikl's 'Pattern Voice' format.

I used to use:

http://textmechanic.com/text-tools/combination-permutation-tools/permu tation-generator/

and 'Text Wrangler' to do similar tasks...Opusmodus makes it possible to do same operations 'offline' and consolidates complete operation into one app.

If desired...the permutations (or 'Messiaen Permutations') can be coded such to 'audition' directly from Opusmodus as any parameter type (note, length, velocity,etc), and anything 'auditioned' is then immediately available for exporting as MIDI.
Loopy C
dpcoffin wrote:

Thanks for the detailed description, right up my alley:) Would love to see even a very brief video demo of something like this in progress! Got a Soundcloud link to any of your Opusmudus-centered pieces, or specifically of the workflow you just described?

Thanks again, very intrigued!


You are welcome smile

The way I work is in an initial 'study series' manner, where I take a concept and generate a series of studies to explore variations on an idea within a constrained field of parameters. So the above description will result in 15~50 files across a predesignated range of tempos and keys (along with the original parameter set variations built into each study itself).

Each 'Study Series' might be exclusively pitched material, or exclusively rhythmic/transient materials, or some other specific aural aspect and 'type' of end-result material (I use the general categories of 'Dot', 'Line', & 'Plane' for a general, course organization of categories).

Others might roughly equate these to say 'Beats', Pad's, & Soundscapes...but those are too narrow and genre-specific for the intended usage and range of materials I create...and I find the visual reference helpful in imagining non-genre referencing application of these materials later on.

These materials then become my 'library' for further combination and mixing together (which then become 'compounds' for even more 'alchemical operations' further down the creative line ;-) So, Dot's & Lines, Dots & Lines & Lines, Dots & Planes, Dots & Dots (to become a 'compound' 'Dot'), etc. I.e, permutations of catagories smile

So all that to say, the original workflow I described may appear across various materials I may have posted...for a specific example and answer to your question, let me get back to you after I have looked to see where I have used that technique in something I have/could share ;-)

Unfortunately, I am of a introvert personality-type so making/sharing video has not been on my list of things to do lol

But...I do appreciate your interest and the chance to share and have discourse on these subjects so will keep it in mind smile
dpcoffin
Thanks again for all the detail, much appreciated! Will try the demo soon as I have some free time, for sure.
Loopy C
dpcoffin wrote:
Ever heard of Opusmodus going on sale?


dpcoffin...Opusmodus on sale...199.00 GBP through July 31!

https://opusmodus.com
Loopy C
dpcoffin

Opusmodus on sale until July 31 for 199.00 GBP

https://opusmodus.com

hth
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