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Post by hermbot » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:05 pm

It looks like Massive really is getting a new version, called Massive X:

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... massive-x/

This was found in a leak of the contents of Komplete a while ago. It will be available early 2019. It's been confirmed to be a standalone plugin and not built in Reaktor (as some had feared).

I think Massive remains my "desert island" soft synth. I love it to bits.

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Post by RitualAudio » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:19 pm

FYI, the Massive X plugin's due in early 2019 - https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... massive-x/

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Post by hermbot » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:26 pm

It's funny, you wrote that and I thought "Yeah... that's what I said". Then I looked and saw that I totally wrote the wrong date. fixed!

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Post by fishphacurr » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:28 pm

Interesting interface- almost looks like Reaktor Blocks. Maybe the individual components will also show up as Blocks?

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Post by Panason » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:59 am

Why oh why will they not make a dedicated hardware controller?! 8 knobs on Maschine or their keyboards just doesn't cut it.

Massive is a very strong argument against spending thousands on hardware synths. I wish I would use it but just cannot be bothered to use the mouse to make sounds.

Loving the look of the new GUI.

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Post by Chevron87 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:34 am

I am looking forward to this!! The original Massive has got to be one of the most used plug in synths

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Post by Entrainer » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:42 am

fishphacurr wrote:Maybe the individual components will also show up as Blocks?
This would be ideal.
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Post by Kravvall » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:54 pm

I still have to laugh at the gorilla module every time i see the screenshot.

Really looking forward to this, as i do kicks, snare, and a lot of stuff in massive and hope for a lot of new textures. This looks so promising.

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Post by jonne74 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:13 pm

Found some leaked PR material. Komplete 12 was heavily discounted, so I couldn't resist. This should be good.

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Post by Chevron87 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:41 am

fishphacurr wrote:Interesting interface- almost looks like Reaktor Blocks. Maybe the individual components will also show up as Blocks?
That is a great idea. I wonder if you can also add your own wavetables a la Serum?

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Post by DT » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:58 am

was about to purchase Serum but maybe worth to wait a little what are you guys thinking?

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:36 pm

Panason wrote:Why oh why will they not make a dedicated hardware controller?! 8 knobs on Maschine or their keyboards just doesn't cut it.

Massive is a very strong argument against spending thousands on hardware synths. I wish I would use it but just cannot be bothered to use the mouse to make sounds.

Loving the look of the new GUI.
There's this dude in Germany (I think) that builds these really excellent hardware controllers for various VSTs. The controllers look nearly EXACTLY as the VSTs do. He made this one particular controller for what is most likely the most killer VST of the Oberheim polyphonic synths ever made called the OPX Pro II. I have the OPX Pro II ... it goes far FAR beyond old OBX and OBXa emulations ... and his controller is this passionate labor of love.

I'll see if I can locate him ... I haven't checked his website in a couple/few years ... he may have a MASSIVE controller by now. Ya just never know about things like that.

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:25 pm

Interesting banter in some Massive X promo:

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Published on Sep 7, 2018
The synth that spawned a subculture is a tough act to follow, but the forthcoming sequel is more extreme, more expressive, and more expandable in every way. Available from February 2019, MASSIVE X is the stuff of sound designers’ dreams.

Discover MASSIVE X: https://www.native-instruments.com/pr...

Whether making beats from the bedroom, designing sound in the studio, or moving crowds on the main stage, music making is about getting your ideas out. Our biggest release ever features nine new products and three major platform updates designed to help you do just that.


Captain Jack Aubrey of the Royal Navy - 2 months ago
Literally never been this hyped for a freaking soft synth!

Will it be able to open original Massive presets?

Kristiaan Kristiaan - 2 months ago
No, apparently the two instruments aren't at all compatible. I read online somewhere yesterday.

CADILLAKTRACKZ - 2 months ago
Kristiaan Kristiaan horrible

Clyde Hawkins - 2 months ago
Horrible? Since when are new synths backwards compatible with old presets? lol you can't even use presets from different update versions of the same synth. and considering everything running in it is completely different, it would be impossible

Invincibility Glitch - 2 months ago
NI says on the website that they will live side by side. Two different entities.

7thgroove - 2 months ago
Probably live side-by-side like Logic 9 and Logic X. Too bad it wont be able to open previous Massive presets though, but just not save them in Massve previous, like Logic does.

Versace MakesMusic - 2 months ago

NI says that it is just a new soft synth, massive X won't replace the original, so I guess the new one will be radically different.
Maybe some sort of digital modular? There plenty of startups developing this kind of concept so I wouldn't be surprised at all if that new synth will look more like "reaktor blocks PRO" than anything else.

House Music Production - 2 months ago
This synth has nothing to do with Massive

Shadowhenge - 2 weeks ago
No, and you can bet your butt that all the new expansions that come out wont have massive presets, just x... till youre forced to upgrade your komplete or buy x outright to use half of them.

Ryan Waclaw - 1 week ago
Clyde Hawkins electra2 and electrax presents are cross compatible lmao

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So this is interesting. Massive X isn't an uprate, it's an all new soft synth altogether. As versatile as Massive appears to be all on it's own, Massive X has got to be some sort of psycho shit in it's own right.

I don't own Massive, I've never even used it. But, from what I've seen/heard it was one of the heavy reasons that I decided to move forward with building a new computer specifically to run Live and VSTs within it.

I truly love wavefolded sounds, wavetable shit, hard sync screwball stuff, "FM" and phase modulated stuff, Virtual Analog synths, and modeled synths. Every bit as much as I love 1960s R.A Moog 901-series VCO and VCF sounds and old Minimoog sounds. So running Massive is a .... well ... uh .... (ahem) ... *massive reason why I am going through the headache and expense to build a new music computer with all of the latest high speed/low drag "low latency"-yet-stable-parts-made-of-munny components.

Other than DEXED, I'm not aware of any other wave-foldy/FM-y/wavetable-ish/sound fuckulator VST out there that does what Massive can do. (Yep, fully aware that DEXED and Massive are two totally different critters).



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Post by Panason » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:11 pm

Rex Coil 7 wrote:There's this dude in Germany (I think) that builds these really excellent hardware controllers for various VSTs. The controllers look nearly EXACTLY as the VSTs do. He made this one particular controller for what is most likely the most killer VST of the Oberheim polyphonic synths ever made called the OPX Pro II. I have the OPX Pro II ... it goes far FAR beyond old OBX and OBXa emulations ... and his controller is this passionate labor of love.

I'll see if I can locate him ... I haven't checked his website in a couple/few years ... he may have a MASSIVE controller by now. Ya just never know about things like that.

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That could be good but what is usually the case with small projects like that is that the devices end up costing almost as much as buying a nice hardware synth, because of all the knobs and buttons required and the small scale of manufacturing.

I 'm not down with the whole "everything is made in China for peanuts" business but we do need a mass produced controller here and it doesn't have to be Behringer levels of cheap...

The first to make an affordable programmable synth desktop controller (no keyboard) with enough knobs and screen real estate is going to hit the jackpot... It's unbelievable that this hasn't been done properly yet and all we have is the crappy old Novation RemoteSL Zeros (toy quality) and the even older very bulky Mackie C4 with its inadequate calculator screens....

Companies will hopefully get the message that not everyone is happy with using iPads for "hands on" control of soft synths.

Of course something like Massive has dozens and dozens of controls so a knob-per function device would be impossible but with intelligent mapping and organisation of pages, a 32-knobs-and-buttons device would be great.

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:11 pm

Panason wrote:.... a 32-knobs-and-buttons device would be great.
.. a pair of Doepfer Pocket Electronics kits. Each one has sixteen knobs/buttons/whatevers that the user gets to decide what MIDI channel and which CC/NRPN it sends control messages to. You can easily chain two (3?, 4?, 10?) of those together to create as large a controller needed.

They offer up to 128 onboard presets, infinite amounts of presets may be stored on your computer. The configuration program is a free of charges download.

It's a DIY kit, but it's ridiculously simple to construct. Put sixteen knobs in a box with sixteen holes drilled in it. The knobs wire up to a pair of pre-terminated "pigtails" that plug on to the PCB. So one end of each of the two pigtails is bare ended wires, the other end has a multi-pin connector that just plugs on to the board.

Each of the sixteen controls may be a knob, switch, joystick, or even a jack to connect foot switch or expression pedal to. It's your controller, you decide how it will be configured. The kit comes with a 100% pre-constructed and fully tested PCB, two bared ended pigtails, and few other niggles. The board has two 5 pin DIN MIDI jacks (one IN, one OUT), and a standard Boss-type power input jack.

$110.00 U.S. buckaroos.

LINK = http://analoguehaven.com/doepfer/pocketelectronics/

So with minimal DIY skills, a drill, a soldering pen, some imagination, and some pots/switches/whatevers to can cook up your own MIDI controller.

No DIY skills? Commission a willing party to do it for you.

I have one of the kits ... I've yet to decide what I'm going to do with it, but having committed to Ableton I may have that choice laid out before me!

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Post by liquid234 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:07 am

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Somewhat clearer close-up. Let’s hope it’s an early February release!
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Post by Chevron87 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:53 am

It sure is going to be fun checking out a new version of such a landmark synth

Are those macros at the top, 2 lots of 8?

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Post by Panason » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:25 am

Hopefully NI finally have a 16 knob controller in the works.

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Post by zeit » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:06 am

I agree...would love to see more 16 knob controllers with multiple banks...eight is just not enough.

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Post by hermbot » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:25 am

zeit wrote:I agree...would love to see more 16 knob controllers with multiple banks...eight is just not enough.
I picked up one of these for use with Reaktor Blocks and other modular-type software, it's brilliant. Each knob can be assigned different functions whether it's being pushed or not, so each bank is actually 32. And there are four banks you can cycle through with buttons on the side. And the push itself can be assigned to things. And they can be set to have a center detent... it just keeps going.

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Post by zeit » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:02 pm

Wow, I didn't realize it had that much functionality....four banks is more than enough, I'll have to get one of those. Using it with Reaktor Blocks would be extremely nice. :party:

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Post by a100user » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:32 pm

Delivery slipped to June unfortunately

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Post by Panason » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:03 am

hermbot wrote:
zeit wrote:I agree...would love to see more 16 knob controllers with multiple banks...eight is just not enough.
I picked up one of these for use with Reaktor Blocks and other modular-type software, it's brilliant. Each knob can be assigned different functions whether it's being pushed or not, so each bank is actually 32. And there are four banks you can cycle through with buttons on the side. And the push itself can be assigned to things. And they can be set to have a center detent... it just keeps going.

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These toys look cool and seem useful but in practice they are not ... because they don't have a display to show what you're controlling. Especially if you switch to another bank, lol. Colour coding isn't enough.
A large programmable controller with displays above the encoders would transform the world of music software and make expensive hardware synths even less needed.

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Post by hermbot » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:23 am

Panason wrote:
hermbot wrote:
zeit wrote:I agree...would love to see more 16 knob controllers with multiple banks...eight is just not enough.
I picked up one of these for use with Reaktor Blocks and other modular-type software, it's brilliant. Each knob can be assigned different functions whether it's being pushed or not, so each bank is actually 32. And there are four banks you can cycle through with buttons on the side. And the push itself can be assigned to things. And they can be set to have a center detent... it just keeps going.

/midi-fighter-twister
These toys look cool and seem useful but in practice they are not ... because they don't have a display to show what you're controlling. Especially if you switch to another bank, lol. Colour coding isn't enough.
Whew, I'm glad you're here to tell me what I've found useful!

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Post by slowpilgrim » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:22 pm

This looks great, old massive always felt really clunky/aged to me compared to newer vsts so I'm glad the UI will open up this wicked synth.

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