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Boss Waza reissue Dimension C chorus - DC-2W
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Author Boss Waza reissue Dimension C chorus - DC-2W
MindMachine
Casio SK-1 Harmonic Synth sounded GREAT. Like a digital Eliane Radigue when building chords through an echo.Have not got to the Yamaha soprano recorder, but will try. I love recorder ensembles and this may be cool.

Maybe sample recorder into SK-1 into Instant Lo-Fi Junky > mono in of Boss. Try to get a warbly tone like 'Long, Long, Long' without the organ.

It's a keeper for sure. For $29.00 my Behringer clones of the original are pretty good though. hihi
Rex Coil 7
thumbs up applause
chamomileshark
Somehow rather than saving a specific video I saved a search on Youtube. There are now some videos where the Dimension C is being used on poly synth.

On a Boutique Juno 60 thingy



and on a Matrixbrute (yes I know it's a mono but they've detuned the oscillators)

Rex Coil 7
chamomileshark wrote:
Somehow rather than saving a specific video I saved a search on Youtube. There are now some videos where the Dimension C is being used on poly synth.

On a Boutique Juno 60 thingy ...
Hmm .. hmmm..... .. doh'no man.

With the Boss engaged sometimes it just sounds as though some reverb was added to the Roland. Maybe a little "too invisible".

I think that new Boss chorus may be better suited for guitar sounds or sampled acoustic instruments. Something with quite a bit more upper harmonics seems to be able to take better advantage of the way this new one works. Y'know, like a clean guitar.

seriously, i just don't get it
chamomileshark
I think on the first one there is some delay or reverb - at the start when he is using the Juno chorus you can still here it.

I think the second video is perhaps clearer - the sound quality is better too.

I'm still thinking of getting one but it won't be until the new year at the earliest.
Rex Coil 7
chamomileshark wrote:
I think on the first one there is some delay or reverb - at the start when he is using the Juno chorus you can still here it.

I think the second video is perhaps clearer - the sound quality is better too.

I'm still thinking of getting one but it won't be until the new year at the earliest.
I know there is reverb already on the Juno toy, that doesn't take away from the fact that the new chorus seems to add reverb to the sound. This is because of the way that "transparent" chorus FX react with sounds that have long-ish release times. A bit of reverb on a synth sound with some release time on it can sound like a chorus FX (due to how the different frequencies interact with one another as different notes are played... it can create a light "VCO beating effect" ... and vice versa. That was the point I was making.

chamomileshark wrote:
I'm still thinking of getting one but it won't be until the new year at the earliest.
Everyone has their own ideas about "what good is" .... I'm sure you'll enjoy it!

It's just not within my own definition of what a good chorus is. I'm not saying that it's "bad" ... I'm just not into what it does as a chorus. I look for something different than that out of a chorus.

Easy peasy!

cool
rjungemann
I have the Behringer and it's great, but I ordered the DC-2W and I'm really excited about it. A touch of overdrive into the Behringer at least is a beautiful sound but the Behringer clips very quickly, so I'm interested to see how the DC-2W handles it.

I am really looking forward to trying my Prophet '08 through it.
Fallen_lassen
The demo with the ju06 sounds great.
I have the original but i would really like to try the new one .
It adds so much space it’s indeed almost like a reverb .
MindMachine
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
chamomileshark wrote:
Somehow rather than saving a specific video I saved a search on Youtube. There are now some videos where the Dimension C is being used on poly synth.

On a Boutique Juno 60 thingy ...
Hmm .. hmmm..... .. doh'no man.

With the Boss engaged sometimes it just sounds as though some reverb was added to the Roland. Maybe a little "too invisible".

I think that new Boss chorus may be better suited for guitar sounds or sampled acoustic instruments. Something with quite a bit more upper harmonics seems to be able to take better advantage of the way this new one works. Y'know, like a clean guitar.

seriously, i just don't get it


I'm telling you it is more pronounced than all of the old adages would have you believe. There are just the fixed settings so it is set and play. I'm good with that frankly. It seems a great balance. If I wanted more variability I would get a Sea Machine:
https://www.earthquakerdevices.com/sea-machine.

Rex7 I can post you my unit to test if you want, but it would have to be after the holidays.

If you can find the Behringer version of the original used for less than $75.00 - it will do the trick. A little noisy, but very good. I A/B'd my bass on the Waza and Behringer and they are vey close besides the noise, which is understandable and minimal in my book.
Rex Coil 7
MindMachine wrote:
...Rex7 I can post you my unit to test if you want, but it would have to be after the holidays....
eek! --- woah --- Trampoline --- w00t!! --- Drugs --- nuts --- Dancing Star --- spinning

(PM'd)

cool
pulse_divider
FWIW, behringer bought TC Electronics and now makes it as the 3rd Dimension chorus for $69 new. Guitar Center had them on sale for Black Friday at 3 for $99.
The build quality is far better than the behringer one and I’d absolutely recommend it over that one. It sounds great.
Jean Luc Cougar
Looks like the TC Electronics one is analog chips but is mono in, mono out :(

I got excited for a second, but I think I would want stereo out for this one. I guess I will wait to see if I can find a Waza used after they have been on the market for a minute.
Rex Coil 7
pulse_divider wrote:
FWIW, behringer bought TC Electronics and now makes it as the 3rd Dimension chorus for $69 new. Guitar Center had them on sale for Black Friday at 3 for $99.
The build quality is far better than the behringer one and I’d absolutely recommend it over that one. It sounds great.
I'm going to get all shallow on everyone here and say I think that Behringer/TC 3rd Dimension is as ugly as a mud fence.

It's so ugly that if it were a person .....

1.) It would have to sneak up on a glass of water.
2.) It would have to tie a piece of baloney around it's neck just to get the dog to play with it.
3.) When it was born the doctor didn't smack it's bottom to get it to start breathing, the doctor slapped it's momma for giving birth to something so ugly.
4.) It would make a freight train take a dirt road.
5.) It would scare the white off rice.

Just butt ugly, that one.

pbear :(
suthnear
They dropped the price on the 3rd dimension in the UK to £29...
drowld
It's a bit expensive as is.
But its sounding pretty good. I had a SDD320 and loved the sound but it was too big. Maybe i'll snagg this one. Would love an eurorack version of it.
Does anyone knows if there is one or if it's possible to mod a pedal to fit eurorack standard ?
Rex Coil 7
drowld wrote:
It's a bit expensive as is.
But its sounding pretty good. I had a SDD320 and loved the sound but it was too big. Maybe i'll snagg this one. Would love an eurorack version of it.
Does anyone knows if there is one or if it's possible to mod a pedal to fit eurorack standard ?
You mean physically/mechanically make a stomp box fit a set of Euro rails? Sure, pretty much anything can be repaneled ... it's all a matter of putting in the time and effort.

Or are you meaning the signal level issues? If so, it's no different than any other stomp-box-with-Euro set up. There will need to be a VCA in the input of the stomp circuit --> stomp circuit --> reboost stomp circuit signal to modular synth levels. There are some "all in one" modules that will attenuate the modular signal down to guitar levels (taking 5-to-10 volts down to roughly 1/4 of a volt) to the output jack .... then into the stomp box .... then into the specialty device's input jack where the guitar level signal is boosted back up to modular levels.

Just using a passive attenuator (a "knob") to lower the signal level to guitar levels is lazy and frankly poor workmanship. It's better to use a VCA which is an active buffer and presents the input stage of the stomp box with the impedance level it was designed to be put up against. So use a VCA to lower the modular audio signal down to guitar gear levels, then go through the stomp box circuit, then go into a gain stage (aka "signal booster") to bring the stomp box output back up to modular synth audio signal levels.

You can cannibalize pretty much anything, design/make a new panel, and combine as many circuits as you want to. As I said, it all comes down to having the will and ambition to put in the time and effort. If you don't want to put in time/effort, then put in some money to have someone else put in the time/effort.

seriously, i just don't get it

(image below) This used to be EIGHT separate 5U modules which required TEN MU spaces since two of the eight modules were 2MU wide ... that I put into a single panel ... all of the pathways between all eight modules have been "hardwired" (correctly said = "normalized") how I wanted them patched together. The pre-patched normaled connections are very easily defeated by using the I/O jacks ... all of the jacks are "normally closed switching jacks" so when a patch cable is inserted the normaled connections are defeated. So absolutely zero stock functionality is lost, at the same time a high degree of convenient usability has been introduced.

This approach may be utilized for placing a stompbox circuit into a Euro synth.

This is a dual VCO "voice" (as I described above). I made two identical ones, so I have two dual VCO voice panels. As modules, the pair of dual VCO voices would require twenty MU spaces. However as seen in this repaneled form, the pair of them require twelve MU spaces (12 MU vs 20 MU). There are also a high number of "back panel functions" (like jumper linked stuff) that have been brought forward to the front.

So, as can be seen in this example, pretty much whatever you want to do can get done, one way or another. Time and effort.

thumbs up

Fallen_lassen
drowld wrote:
It's a bit expensive as is.
But its sounding pretty good. I had a SDD320 and loved the sound but it was too big. Maybe i'll snagg this one. Would love an eurorack version of it.
Does anyone knows if there is one or if it's possible to mod a pedal to fit eurorack standard ?


If you have two Roland 572 modules, like i do Rockin' Banana!
You can make the dimension effect because it uses the same bbd chip. And it is stereo and it has got mod in for time and mix.

But it is cheaper to get the Boss waza.

29€ for the behringer is still too expensive Mr. Green
Chevron87
You don't see them much these days so I don't know if they still go for little money, but the old Boss CE-300 rack unit is am awesome chorus unit, with the benefit of extra controls for tweaking your chorus.

It's intended to use with guitar signals, mono in with stereo output but there is a simple mod you can do to change the input impedance so it works with line levels. I have had one for 10 years and it's a great unit.
chamomileshark
Chevron87 wrote:
You don't see them much these days so I don't know if they still go for little money, but the old Boss CE-300 rack unit is am awesome chorus unit, with the benefit of extra controls for tweaking your chorus.

It's intended to use with guitar signals, mono in with stereo output but there is a simple mod you can do to change the input impedance so it works with line levels. I have had one for 10 years and it's a great unit.


I have one too, but as far as I can tell the Dimensions sound very different, mainly that you can't hear it cycling. As someone said, it's the chorus for people who don't like chorus.

The other thing is, I don't think the CE300 is true chorus, isn't it dry one side and wet the other, maybe with one signal inverted?
Chevron87
chamomileshark wrote:


I have one too, but as far as I can tell the Dimensions sound very different, mainly that you can't hear it cycling. As someone said, it's the chorus for people who don't like chorus.

The other thing is, I don't think the CE300 is true chorus, isn't it dry one side and wet the other, maybe with one signal inverted?


I am not saying that the CE-300 is a direct replacement for the Dimension-D, but I actually got a CE-300 after comparing one to a Dimension-D at Sofa Sound in London when the studio was there. The Dim-D does sound a little more hi-fi with possible slightly less stereo swirl going on, but also very similar when slowing down the mod & depth speed on the CE-300 - plus you get the addition of making the CE-300 go in to crazy chorus territory with high rate & depth settings.. Of course, I always wondered if the differences could be component ageing.

I just did a quick double check on the CE-300, and definitely a wet chorus signal on both sides as confirmed by listening to each side in isolation. It's surprisingly mono compatible too.
Rex Coil 7
chamomileshark wrote:
I don't think the CE300 is true chorus, isn't it dry one side and wet the other, maybe with one signal inverted?
What makes that configuration a "true chorus"? For that matter, what is a "true chorus" and why would it be "true" but others are "not true"? That is a fair and valid question.

I would prefer a panning chorus, myself. You can produce what you've described oh so easily by simply using the chorus in the FX or AUX send of a given mixer. Just send the chorus a signal from the send jack, then bring the chorus signal back into the mixer using one of it's input channels, and mix the chorus-effected sound with the dry sound using the mixer ... to mix.

But a panning chorus, to me that's more spacious. The best chorus ever created is the Leslie. Bar none. That is a sound that actually and for reals moves within the listening space.

We all have our own ideas about what we want out of a chorus (that's for sure), just looking at the sheer number of different designs offered will verify that!

cool
chamomileshark
I meant "true stereo"
Rex Coil 7
chamomileshark wrote:
I meant "true stereo"
Ok, that's fine ... but still, what does that mean?

Please know I am not challenging you or mocking you, I'm just wanting to understand what it is you mean, ok?
Chevron87
Rex Coil 7 wrote:
What makes that configuration a "true chorus"? For that matter, what is a "true chorus" and why would it be "true" but others are "not true"? That is a fair and valid question.

I would prefer a panning chorus, myself. You can produce what you've described oh so easily by simply using the chorus in the FX or AUX send of a given mixer. Just send the chorus a signal from the send jack, then bring the chorus signal back into the mixer using one of it's input channels, and mix the chorus-effected sound with the dry sound using the mixer ... to mix.

But a panning chorus, to me that's more spacious. The best chorus ever created is the Leslie. Bar none. That is a sound that actually and for reals moves within the listening space.

We all have our own ideas about what we want out of a chorus (that's for sure), just looking at the sheer number of different designs offered will verify that!

cool


I agree the Leslie cabinet effect is glorious, not always so easy to use subtly though.

If you, or anyone else is interested send me an audio file and I can process it through the CE-300 - but it's worth checking on youtube for Boss CE-300 demos, and I seem to recall there was a video comparing the CE-300 with a Juno 6/60 chorus.
Shrigg
I just bought a Behringer CC300, but: Why not two of the 3rd Dimension pedals for "True Stereo?"
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