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miles_macquarrie


https://tascam.com/us/product/model_24/top

Well Tascam is releasing a standalone 24 track recorder that is also a 22 chanel mixer and interface with 24 channels to and from the computer.

Tempted to get rid of my Soundcraft22mtk for this. Seems like a great way to record and mix with an all hardware studio and then do further editing in the computer if need be.

Thoughts?
Bath House
It looks like it has a ton of potential and would be great for people using hardware. I think it’s screamingly insane that they left out inserts after the first two channels when they even have the empty blank space for them.
angora
That is pretty hot to be honest.

I've got a Tascam SD-20M that I use as a 2-track (I just ignore the two mic inputs) and like the sound quality. I would buy a 4 mono + 4 stereo version of that in a heartbeat. I've always had good experiences with Tascam products.

I like to hit record and just play. So, I like your thinking of record and mix, edit on the computer if you need/want to. There are times when I'd like to go back and do editing, even if it is just adjusting a level. Having all the stems would definately be nice. I wouldn't be suprised if they sell a lot of these. It is an untapped market.
talfred
It's actually a very nice product at a great price.
But if you look at sweetwaters page for this product there's a warning there:

WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.


What does this actually mean?
I'm not really tempted to buy products with cancer warnings on them..
rens
talfred wrote:
It's actually a very nice product at a great price.
But if you look at sweetwaters page for this product there's a warning there:

WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.


What does this actually mean?
I'm not really tempted to buy products with cancer warnings on them..


It means california.
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-state-of-California-think-everythin g-causes-cancer

Dont worry, your modular patch cables cause cancer too. Also, the internet.
thevegasnerve
I saw that to about the cancer warning. Would like to know the specific products and what situations they emit harmful emissions, etc..
thevegasnerve
rens wrote:
talfred wrote:
It's actually a very nice product at a great price.
But if you look at sweetwaters page for this product there's a warning there:

WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.


What does this actually mean?
I'm not really tempted to buy products with cancer warnings on them..


It means california.
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-state-of-California-think-everythin g-causes-cancer

Dont worry, your modular patch cables cause cancer too. Also, the internet.


That’s a pretty lazy answer, especially given the cancer issues we deal with as a society. You would be naive to place the control into the hands of corporations. Would be better to discuss what is triggering the warning and put into proper context.
Panason
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dual RCA Bluetooth™ connectivity. This allows users to easily integrate mobiles devices into the mix for rehearsal playback, walk-in music and more.


err.. OK. I guess there's a current marketing MO that you have to "integrate mobile devices" to be cool... but Bluetooth is garbage. Maybe that is the source of cancer. twisted
rens
Quote:


That’s a pretty lazy answer, especially given the cancer issues we deal with as a society. You would be naive to place the control into the hands of corporations. Would be better to discuss what is triggering the warning and put into proper context.


Thanks for the ad-hominem attack. Its pretty well understood that the california proposition has in fact caused great harm to the cause of product safety by applying a broad brush to a vast array of products which dont pose any particular risk. I even provided a link to a discussion of that, so you can educate yourself about P65.

Have a nice day.
thevegasnerve
rens wrote:
Quote:


That’s a pretty lazy answer, especially given the cancer issues we deal with as a society. You would be naive to place the control into the hands of corporations. Would be better to discuss what is triggering the warning and put into proper context.


Thanks for the ad-hominem attack. Its pretty well understood that the california proposition has in fact caused great harm to the cause of product safety by applying a broad brush to a vast array of products which dont pose any particular risk. I even provided a link to a discussion of that, so you can educate yourself about P65.

Have a nice day.


I apologize for the attack. Buy that article takes the position as I read we should disregard known carcinogenic fx of certain compounds (admittedly under certain specific conditions) for the greater good of capitalism. You indirectly attacked a group of individuals by suggesting their proposition was worthless and should be dismissed without getting to the real point, which is to see why the warning got triggered. It’s likely not an issue if used properly. I have seen how we handle radon, asbestos, and lead for example. We bury risk in the name of “job creation”, when rolling up our sleeves and understanding the risk would help with pragmatic risk reduction. This situation is worsening and personal to me.

Hope you have a nice day too for what it’s worth. I
Koekepan
I looked very (very!) hard at this product, before going for the DP32SD instead.

What made my choice for me was the observation that while the Model 24 will do recording, and audio interface work, and some overdubbing, that's about as far as it goes for editing. You need to have something else act as your mix/master tool if you want anything more than a live mix.

By contrast, the Portastudio will let you mix, cut and paste, edit and undo, and even normalise your master track for you. Pop out the SD card and slap it in your phone, your computer, your music player and rock out, upload or whatever it is you do.

This really defines the bright line between people who want the live mix and are happy to reshape something on the computer, and people who want a recording studio in one box.

This isn't a criticism of the Model 24. As I said, I looked hard at it and was very tempted. It was simply no competition in the niche that the Portastudio serves.
CF3
Cool mixer, but it’s missing quite a few basic things you’d need in a hardware environment. Obviously, they do this for cost cutting, so fair enough. But this is why these all-in-one mixer/interface set ups always disappoint me. I love the convenience but always end up yearning for more physical I/O. (Like inserts on the Sub, for instance and the aforementioned inserts on the channels).

I wholeheartedly applaud the effort though. applause
thevegasnerve
I was looking at this one too, but was concerned it may have the same mixing limitations..

tobb
wow,great stuff from Tascam (again)!
rens
thevegasnerve wrote:


Hope you have a nice day too for what it’s worth. I


Thanks, i appreciate it! I agree with your concern; the california law makes it impossible to get any useful information, so it just feedfs the ‘climate of fear’. I would guess from having read the Tascam that its the battery.

To get back on topic though...the 48khz limitation and the 2 inserts kill it for me. I use inserts to get direct outs on desks not so equipped so I’d need them on all tracks to replace my mixer.
shaft9000
My band-mate just ordered one of these this week.


I'm curious to see how it fares compared to my zed R16 (which itself is about to be taken across the valley for some needed servicing).
martino_
Bath House wrote:
It looks like it has a ton of potential and would be great for people using hardware. I think it’s screamingly insane that they left out inserts after the first two channels when they even have the empty blank space for them.


What a damn shame. This is my biggest issue with the MTK22 - lack of inserts waah
roger
Bath House wrote:
It looks like it has a ton of potential and would be great for people using hardware. I think it’s screamingly insane that they left out inserts after the first two channels when they even have the empty blank space for them.


this. With more inserts, it would be almost exactly what I'm looking for. But two inserts? How could they... hmmm.....
h4ndcrafted
Anybody still using one, I read somewhere that they were having quality control issues ?
h4ndcrafted
Bumping.

This seems like such a good option, what am I missing ?

Lack of inserts or mastering doesn’t bother me, I fully intend to just use the steams for samplers and the master as blueprint for the daw.

Will the fx be usable , can you print them ?
chaosick
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Bumping.

This seems like such a good option, what am I missing ?

Lack of inserts or mastering doesn’t bother me, I fully intend to just use the steams for samplers and the master as blueprint for the daw.

Will the fx be usable , can you print them ?


I'm using mine and enjoying it! FX are OK, but most of the board is useless to me since all the monitoring FX, EQ etc. are only recorded if you do a master mixdown, they are NOT printed to the automatic 22 individual wav files that are made every time you make a recording. That being said it's still great to finally have something like this after having a fair amount of modular, a few other synths ,and be able to just hear it all together and adjust the levels and record quickly.
DiscoDevil
chaosick wrote:


I'm using mine and enjoying it! FX are OK, but most of the board is useless to me since all the monitoring FX, EQ etc. are only recorded if you do a master mixdown, they are NOT printed to the automatic 22 individual wav files that are made every time you make a recording. That being said it's still great to finally have something like this after having a fair amount of modular, a few other synths ,and be able to just hear it all together and adjust the levels and record quickly.


That's the way most mixers with direct out capability work. When you're multitrack recording, you want to preserve the raw, uneffected audio for each track so that you can go back later on and do a completely different mixdown of the song. If the FX, EQ etc were printed to the individual channels, you'd be stuck with them and the usefulness of having the stems would then be limited.
chaosick
DiscoDevil wrote:
chaosick wrote:


I'm using mine and enjoying it! FX are OK, but most of the board is useless to me since all the monitoring FX, EQ etc. are only recorded if you do a master mixdown, they are NOT printed to the automatic 22 individual wav files that are made every time you make a recording. That being said it's still great to finally have something like this after having a fair amount of modular, a few other synths ,and be able to just hear it all together and adjust the levels and record quickly.


That's the way most mixers with direct out capability work. When you're multitrack recording, you want to preserve the raw, uneffected audio for each track so that you can go back later on and do a completely different mixdown of the song. If the FX, EQ etc were printed to the individual channels, you'd be stuck with them and the usefulness of having the stems would then be limited.


Yes, it makes sense to me, just new to me since it's the first time I've had a big console mixer of this type. In any case, there you have it, you can do it all that way, or import the wavs to Logic or your DAW of choice for superior effects, EQ, MBC, etc. Still fun either way and something sort of magical in being able to just play back and listen to what you recorded at 1 AM without ever turning your computer on love
h4ndcrafted
Yes it’s the ability just to record takes easily so you can use them as blueprints for the daw that attracts me. Not having to power on a computer is great for just getting things going.

I guess the fx are just there for live use if you need them, but you can always return from external into astereo channel.

I’m just trying to decide whether the recorder is worth the extra or whether to just go for a Soundcraft 22mtk

How is the latency on this ?
chaosick
h4ndcrafted wrote:
Yes it’s the ability just to record takes easily so you can use them as blueprints for the daw that attracts me. Not having to power on a computer is great for just getting things going.

I guess the fx are just there for live use if you need them, but you can always return from external into astereo channel.

I’m just trying to decide whether the recorder is worth the extra or whether to just go for a Soundcraft 22mtk

How is the latency on this ?


That's kind of the whole point of it to me ,otherwise I would have just kept my RME Babyface Pro. Only recorded straight to SD card so far.
Red Electric Rainbow
can you do a final mixdown on the model-24 or do you absolutely have to use a DAW?
chaosick
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
can you do a final mixdown on the model-24 or do you absolutely have to use a DAW?


Yes, you can do everything 100% on the Model 24, if you so desire.
Red Electric Rainbow
chaosick thank you ☺️ do you have one currently? if so, how do you like it? pros vs cons
chaosick
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
chaosick thank you ☺️ do you have one currently? if so, how do you like it? pros vs cons


Yes, as I've already written, I sold my RME Babyface Pro for it. Prior to this my only way to record was straight to my computer, I was limited to 4 channels, and I had no external mixer outside of my euro, so until the moment I was ready to record and plugged everything, I had to do weird stuff like route my Yocto 808 into my euro because I had my speakers feeding in from my TAI-4, so as far as all of that is concerned, it's an improvement.
suboptimal
I wonder if there are clever ways of using a secondary mixer with this. In many ways it is a perfect device for me, but I think I'd get frustrated quickly with only 3 aux sends. My A&H's 6 aux sends are in constant use. Other than that this is pretty close to the pie in the sky. The bluetooth input is an interesting feature.
boxxgrooved
suboptimal wrote:
I wonder if there are clever ways of using a secondary mixer with this. In many ways it is a perfect device for me, but I think I'd get frustrated quickly with only 3 aux sends. My A&H's 6 aux sends are in constant use. Other than that this is pretty close to the pie in the sky. The bluetooth input is an interesting feature.


Yeah, it kind of defeats the purpose of this when you have to think about integrating extra mixers to obtain missing functionality on this unit. For such a huge mixer where is the bus insert or master insert? People interested in this unit will no doubt already have some external hardware fx and processors. Tascam have provided 3 Aux sends but for some reason they think no one uses compressors or group/master limiters anymore.

I realize that many people might do compressing of individual tracks and mastering ITB, so if Tascam are forcing you to go ITB why bother including all the extra mixer functionality in the first place?

Maybe I'm missing the purpose of this unit but I originally thought it was one-stop unit for multitrack recording and mixing but without being able to edit individual track recordings on board and no way to use group bus or master limiting I see simpler ways to get dry recordings into the computer.
Red Electric Rainbow
boxxgrooved wrote:
suboptimal wrote:
I wonder if there are clever ways of using a secondary mixer with this. In many ways it is a perfect device for me, but I think I'd get frustrated quickly with only 3 aux sends. My A&H's 6 aux sends are in constant use. Other than that this is pretty close to the pie in the sky. The bluetooth input is an interesting feature.


Yeah, it kind of defeats the purpose of this when you have to think about integrating extra mixers to obtain missing functionality on this unit. For such a huge mixer where is the bus insert or master insert? People interested in this unit will no doubt already have some external hardware fx and processors. Tascam have provided 3 Aux sends but for some reason they think no one uses compressors or group/master limiters anymore.

I realize that many people might do compressing of individual tracks and mastering ITB, so if Tascam are forcing you to go ITB why bother including all the extra mixer functionality in the first place?

Maybe I'm missing the purpose of this unit but I originally thought it was one-stop unit for multitrack recording and mixing but without being able to edit individual track recordings on board and no way to use group bus or master limiting I see simpler ways to get dry recordings into the computer.


yeah lm beginning to feel the same way. i really like the concept but it seems like its still at the prototype phase. lack of inserts and dedicated external send/return is stopping me from pulling the trigger rn.
Red Electric Rainbow
after careful consideration l think still gonna pull the trigger. im being to critical of what it cant do instead of focusing on what it can. outside of some minor details it serves its purpose and is exactly what ive been looking for. full report after ive had some time with it.
h4ndcrafted
it does seem limited in that respect, I feel it’s aimed at people like me, with just a few bits of external, and no first hand experience of these 70s looking boards. It’s partly a visual thing for me.

I’d likely return from the daw to mix for a bit of gel , or just hackout live mixes and copy what I did.

What are you using all those aux’s for, I feel like I’d only need 2 or 3 ?
Red Electric Rainbow
lm more ADD than OCD so when l have an idea l need to capture quickly because lm already onto the next thing
suboptimal
h4ndcrafted wrote:
What are you using all those aux’s for, I feel like I’d only need 2 or 3 ?


The approach that's working well for me at the moment is dividing my 6 aux outputs into 3 stereo feeds, going to a reverb (a Boss RV-500), a delay (Volante), and a T-Resonator. Not sure what I'd do with just three, honestly. I'd have to change how I approach my routing quite a bit.
h4ndcrafted
That makes sense, I’m used to just running mono into fx.
suboptimal
If you're running mono then 3 might be enough. I go back and forth on whether I particularly "need" 3 stereo pairs for my effects sends, but I'm sort of used to working this way (that is, suboptimally).
boubi
Up - just to rave a bit about it. Not to rave like crazy, though. But for a semi-pro use, it does the job. And the pre-amps are really, really good. Somehow not that neutral, but precise. I tested my whole rig through Allen & Heath once and was of course shocked/floored/walking on water. Nothing can beat that. Couldn't afford any, of course, wo sent through Behringer, Soundcraft, etc. A long-time user of the Tascam DR-680 in need of more strips for my groups, I had made my mind to return to Tascam when Model 24 appeared.

But I share most comments here - it's a middle-ground for those who need both basic studio facilities and performance-oriented gear. You can't expect to get huge results in a complex mixing situation. You get a great multitrack, an easy-peasy signal flow for your studio, and that's it. "It" being already 160% of what you need as a semi-pro...

Beware: get the best quality SD cards. With the highest writing/reading rates. Average ones are prone to fail. In the first week I lost 3 sessions, reached out to Tascam to return the product, discussed the set-up with them, got high range SD cards and the problem was solved.
Catchthehare
Are we still digging the M24? I'm thinking about picking one up this week.. I was on the fence about the L12 and figured I'd regret not having enough channels and the build quality for the price would get to me.

I'd like to use a few effect pedals on the Aux1/2 monitor sends and possibly another effect from the Sub Output, all returning into the stereo channels.. is anyone doing this successfully on the M24? I figure it's the only workaround and I only have 3 outboard effects I use anyways.
chaosick
Catchthehare wrote:
Are we still digging the M24? I'm thinking about picking one up this week.. I was on the fence about the L12 and figured I'd regret not having enough channels and the build quality for the price would get to me.

I'd like to use a few effect pedals on the Aux1/2 monitor sends and possibly another effect from the Sub Output, all returning into the stereo channels.. is anyone doing this successfully on the M24? I figure it's the only workaround and I only have 3 outboard effects I use anyways.


Mine still suits my purposes. That should work, I thought about some stuff like that, but just move the cables directly to my tape delays etc. rather than do that.
shaft9000
I've been recording at my mate's place with this thing for about five sessions so far.

We'll record all at once: 5-6 tracks of mic'ed drums, 2 tracks dir+mic bass , 2 to 4 tracks guitars or synths, maybe some memotron, and vocals. Around a dozen tracks on average. On my cheap 3-yr old DAW it takes me about two minutes to import into Reaper a 10-20 minute session of 12-16 tracks @44kHz/24bit. I've been able to load hour+long 12-track jam sessions in under 5 minutes.
I've got a couple of decades of recording experience, and it took me about five minutes of skimming the manual to get a good idea of how to use it. It's crashed on us only once that I can remember in ~50 hours. And it didn't exactly crash - it ran out of recording memory on the card and froze. As much data as could fit in memory was still in there safe and sound when re-booted smile
So far it's as (or more) reliable than any other v1 'early adopter' product that I've ever used.
I've got my ISA 428 preamps helping out the front-end and a FMR RNC strapped to the snare&kick inserts. Mics used are a pair of custom Blondies , a pair of Sovtek SDC overheads, some sm-57s & 58s on the speaker cabinets, dunno exactly the kick mic (some AKG, i think) and a U-87 clone into a UA LA610 for acoustic guitar and/or vox.
For $1000-1200 or whatever it sells for it's quite impressive. It sounds good and doesn't get in the way of your flow, ever. No, it is not going to sound 'amazing', nor compete with a Midas or a SC Ghost but it isn't supposed to. And frankly - for some material it doesn't have to, anyways. Some of the greatest records of all time were done on lesser gear, so here's a clear Win for "technological progress". I cringe at thought of going back to ADAT or whatever budget 'multitrack solution' of old.

It's meant to be seamless and easy to suss while staying out of the way, and offering flexibility beyond port-a-studios of old - and it does all of that very well. It's versatile enough that a songwriter could be just fine doing with a nice mic+pre and mixing it all internally with no DAW. The reverb/fx and on-board compression is alright, albeit greatly simplified.
But then more demanding users have total back-end flexibility WITH the DAW, and that works like a charm, too.

a winner...and for under
per channel screaming goo yo MY ASS IS BLEEDING Dead Banana
There are some Yamaha and Soundcraft recorder/mixers available, also the lower-end Zoom stuff. afaik none of them make something that's quite a 1-1 competitors to this. I'm interested to hear experience(s) from anyone who's used some of these.

TL;DR : It (like any hardware multitrack) enables me to focus on performance and tracking with no distractions toward editing or mixing. It's got a surprisingly robust v1.x OS that doesn't choke or leave you wondering wtf.
The beauty of the M24 is in the ease of importing into a template-prepped DAW. Once I figure out how I want to structure the recording sessions, I'm then able to get the imported files up and running all together within in a minute or so.
JimY
I'm assuming inserts are wanted so you can leave a particular instrument in a channel and insert an external processor at will without disturbing your normal connections...
In which case, have you considered adding a patchbay? That can allow you to reroute everything and might be located at a more convenient place and have less cable clutter around the mixer.

One thing I absolutely despise DAW's for is the way they generate an unmanageable amount of files, the majority of which are going to be dead files if you work a lot. Even if the DAW has housekeeping, the o/s still wants to hang on to all those file references and thumbnails and if you delete them outside the DAW then it still has references to them in its own project files. It's not that a lot of files are a practical problem on modern computers, but it is beyond my brain to sort through them. Oh, and you'd better not delete a take that isn't used unless you're sure the project isn't using virtual clips from it, because when the take is gone, all the virtuals will be gone with it!

If you record outside the box, you have a decent level of control of what files you have and want. Backup is more straightforward and when you are confident you can do it, delete the multitracker project to clean things up.
Bath House
JimY wrote:
I'm assuming inserts are wanted so you can leave a particular instrument in a channel and insert an external processor at will without disturbing your normal connections...
In which case, have you considered adding a patchbay? That can allow you to reroute everything and might be located at a more convenient place and have less cable clutter around the mixer.


I use a patchbay with my inserts, but it's definitely not a replacement for them. Since inserts are after the channel preamp, they can be inserted in-line on things like mic inputs or even line level level that require the basic input gain, low cut filter, etc. before processing. My compressors aren't preamps, so I couldn't just run a mic right into them, and even having the channel gain to vary the level of a drum machine or synth that I hit them with is crucial.
interpolate
I've been considering this along with the less sexy Soundcraft Ui24r.

I want a multitrack interface that also doubles as a mixer and recorder. My primary use case is recording jam sessions or live shows, and then mangling the recordings in my DAW. I don't think I would ever try to print directly from my recordings.
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