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kindredlost
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What choices are there for using the Time Buffer for us?
1. Buy/own a dinsync sequencer like the Mobius/ TR606 etc.. Have you priced these things lately? Ee-ek!
2. Buy/own an expensive clock like the Innerlock or Flameworks.
3. Jump through seven firey hoops with software and a DC coupled interface/soundcard.
4. Add divide-down modules to get the clocking. Of course there still has to be a dedicated oscillator/clock source. Expensive again.
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How about a module that does all that in 1U? An internal clocking oscillator, dinsync and PWM outputs with selectable divisions. And of course (no, don't say it) a transport function for start/stop.
Do-able, or am I crazy? Too expensive in comparison still?
Oh, and it would be cool to have it in red sparkle paint job with gold switches. 
-David
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I attempted to commission a simple 19" master clock module for my studio.
I discussed it for awhile with a vendor that has been known to do custom work, but he doesn't have the cycles to put into it right now (no pun intended...). |
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You can make a Din Sync Clock Signal with a thin VCO pulse output and a start/stop signal with a switched 5vDC source. Bingo, Master Clock!
Parts needed: Midi Jack, Switch and 1 clock in jack.
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Kenton Pro Solo / Pro 2000?
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we have a master clock module planned, it's a 2011 thing. sorry it had to come last but i think you can understand why i needed to do things in this order.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Encore Expressionist is a MIDI to DIN convertor.
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Obviously I hadn't done enough homework on this one. Thanks for the suggestions guys. DIY? hell, I don't even understand FYI. 
| suitandtieguy wrote: | | we have a master clock module planned, it's a 2011 thing. sorry it had to come last but i think you can understand why i needed to do things in this order. |
This sounds encouraging. I may end up with a divider like the 554 first but heck that can still be used elsewhere or sold.
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| Bryan B wrote: | You can make a Din Sync Clock Signal with a thin VCO pulse output and a start/stop signal with a switched 5vDC source. Bingo, Master Clock!
Parts needed: Midi Jack, Switch and 1 clock in jack. |
That's sort of what I'm doing now except with several modules. I'd still need a way to divide down the sync24 pulse to something useful for the other sequencers.
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| kenton pro solo mkII gives you midi to cv plus din sync. you can also configure aux 1 as a midi synced clock. it's not behind a modular panel, but it's cheaper than most any modular midi to cv converter and has more functions. |
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| suitandtieguy wrote: | | The time divider will be ready soon. It got delayed because of a move to smt but it will happen this year. |
I really want this (and 3 more trigger mini stores)!!!
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| Bryan B wrote: | You can make a Din Sync Clock Signal with a thin VCO pulse output and a start/stop signal with a switched 5vDC source. Bingo, Master Clock!
Parts needed: Midi Jack, Switch and 1 clock in jack. |
didnt know this. would the moon midi2cv work for this trick? it has gate outputs for midi start/stop.
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| suitandtieguy wrote: | | The time divider will be ready soon. It got delayed because of a move to smt but it will happen this year. |
Yes, but does it divide the 24ppq into somthing useful for the rest of the sequencers like the Q960? I don't think I've ever seen a 1/24th on any dedicated divider.
--maybe apples & oranges, but...
The M554 has a neat way to do this with two stages which are already chained (I think). The price is pretty steep but it looks like a great overall tool for use throughout the system for someone with several sequencers.
-David
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| JohnLRice wrote: | | Bryan B wrote: | You can make a Din Sync Clock Signal with a thin VCO pulse output and a start/stop signal with a switched 5vDC source. Bingo, Master Clock!
Parts needed: Midi Jack, Switch and 1 clock in jack. |
didnt know this. would the moon midi2cv work for this trick? it has gate outputs for midi start/stop. |
If it has 5vDC on when it runs and nothing when it stops, it should work very good for this.
Another fun thing about using a VCO as a master clock is that you have CV control over the tempo.
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| Bryan B wrote: | | JohnLRice wrote: | | Bryan B wrote: | You can make a Din Sync Clock Signal with a thin VCO pulse output and a start/stop signal with a switched 5vDC source. Bingo, Master Clock!
Parts needed: Midi Jack, Switch and 1 clock in jack. |
didnt know this. would the moon midi2cv work for this trick? it has gate outputs for midi start/stop. |
If it has 5vDC on when it runs and nothing when it stops, it should work very good for this.
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hhhhmmm, probably not then. It's not a constant "on", it's just like a single pulse/trigger. Dandy for resetting sequencers and stuff . .
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You could wire up a toggle switch and use the 5vDC rail to accomplish a start/stop signal.
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| kindredlost wrote: | | suitandtieguy wrote: | | The time divider will be ready soon. It got delayed because of a move to smt but it will happen this year. |
Yes, but does it divide the 24ppq into somthing useful for the rest of the sequencers like the Q960? I don't think I've ever seen a 1/24th on any dedicated divider. |
You mean like this?
Now, keep in mind this is a VERY early diagram Suit came up with, and there will be changes to it, but it conveys the idea IMHO.
Another thing you can do is go to dinsync.com to get a dedicated MIDI to DIN converter, that's what I use for my testing and in operating my modular until I get a x0xb0x.
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| det3 wrote: | You mean like this?
Now, keep in mind this is a VERY early diagram Suit came up with, and there will be changes to it, but it conveys the idea IMHO.
Another thing you can do is go to dinsync.com to get a dedicated MIDI to DIN converter, that's what I use for my testing and in operating my modular until I get a x0xb0x. |
Nice division with the multi-bar output (2 bars etc.)
Is this module picking up the clock from behind the panel like one of the other STG Seq modules? If so, then doesn't that still require a 24ppq clock into the system?
The link was a dead one. I guess the server is down. Way to go det3!
-David
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The link was a dead one. I guess the server is down.
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For me, it loaded in FireFox but not Safari for some reason.
Nice inexpensive converter to know about! |
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| Bryan B wrote: | | suitandtieguy wrote: | | The time divider will be ready soon. It got delayed because of a move to smt but it will happen this year. |
I really want this (and 3 more trigger mini stores)!!! |
ditto that
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