Muff's Modules & More

giorgio · Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: Envelator Death prevention

until mine are modded, anyone know which cables i should avoid plugging into the DMOD input? I'd hate to either fry an envelator or not use the DMOD.
thx
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reignbear · Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:39 pm Post subject:

my gut tells me it's stackables. i seem to remember a thread from a while ago about them shorting out a module because they touched the pcb.

giorgio · Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:44 pm Post subject:

that's the bad feeling I have as well.

mojopin · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:20 am Post subject:

yikes! so the problem is with the dmod and maybe stackables? I will try and remember that even though I have yet to use that cv input. Steady hands!!

giorgio · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:07 am Post subject:

just get the mod done. every envelator should have this mod. long live stackcables!

ignatius · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:12 am Post subject:

gotta take the opportunity to vouch for Mr Malekko. generous, genuine, all around super nice guy.

i have a hunch it's the stackables too. but only from the vague memory of reading the same thread you guys may have.

i think there was another module that had an issue??

crazy to think that it comes down to .02 MM of shaft.

there's a dirty joke here somewhere.

i haven't had any issues w/my malekko modules. i guess i'll need to investigate the mod or drop by malekko HQ.

rico loverde · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:30 am Post subject:

parasitk · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:31 am Post subject:

mojopin · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:43 am Post subject:

ah thanks. i dont diy. so, just never plug a stackable into my envelator. got it.

However, this should be happening to all modules, no? This could negatively affect them too, right?

rico loverde · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:45 am Post subject:

thanx parasitik. and thank you Josh, gonna mod mine tomorrow!!!!

Kodama · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:46 am Post subject:

This is an awfully kind set of measures to help these folks out. I can vouch for Mr M running several Envelators through testing every time that I've been around, he even showed me how hot they get when this issue occurs.

worker8 · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:47 am Post subject:

I would appreciate pictures of suitable and not suitable jack tips.

Mostly, I use Doepfer patch cables, and I'd like to know if there could be an issue with them. I guess the answer is "no". But I have no tool to measure such tiny tolerances.

I guess some of my DIY cables (6,35 to 3,5) could have bigger tips (they're harder to patch, if you know what I mean)...

Anyway, congrats for sorting this out.

slow_riot · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:36 am Post subject:

i can hear the sigh of relief in oregan across the ocean. ha ha

i wonder if anyone can elaborate on the issue with these cables bridging ground connections? I measured my cables once and they seemed to line up ok. Really wanna keep my modular happy.

hpsounds · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:47 am Post subject:

Many thanks Josh ... Thomas, Grant and Phil for your hard work. I want to apologize here for my impatience that ended up as a "verbal fight" between Josh and I, a few weeks ago. Envelators problems are now a thing of the past !

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Hédi K.

Jason Brock · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:41 am Post subject:

Nuuj · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:17 pm Post subject:

The first batch of stackables had an extra little nib on their tip.
Later versions should have had this nib sanded off.
I have some other miscellaneous 1/8th cables that have a similar nib at their tips as well. I think module manufactures need to account for the real world variability in cable tip dimensions in their designs.

Malekko · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject:

jonkull · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject:

qu.one · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject:

Nuuj · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject:

There are now and have been uncountable manufacturers of 1/8th inch cables since their invention. Manufacturing tolerances have no doubt been all over the map over the years. I'm sure the stackables are not the only 1/8th inch cables which will cause this issue. Module designs need to account for this variability. This is not to say that TipTop shouldn't evaluate the design and manufacturing tolerances of their cables.