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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Phonogene?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I love grain delays, also having some cv control over jitter also, pitch envelopes of the grains is really nice, would love connecting it up to pp+brains with the pp modulations controlling different resynthesis parameters and also a rené to control a 1/voct pitch transpose input.

And about the "there's no point in having one because you can do it on a computer"... Sell your modular. You can do all of it on a computer.

But seriously... I think it's what won't come to mind until I work with a modular granular processor for a while that'll be really interesting.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Veqtor wrote:
And about the "there's no point in having one because you can do it on a computer"... Sell your modular. You can do all of it on a computer.


Perfectly put.

Having CV control, modular levels, the ability to process CV (now wouldn't that be cool?) all would be nifty. Also pretty expensive, I'm betting.

The Phonogene can make some sort of granular sounds, but it's not doing the same thing as a true granular processor, I think. Not being much of a computer user when it comes to music, I could be quite wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Veqtor wrote:
Sell your modular. You can do all of it on a computer.


Actually, I've just trimmed down from 15u to 6u so that I can focus more on integrating the things that I love about working with Max with the things that I love about (whats left of) my modular.

Over time I've learned how to get pretty close to the instability and sweet-spot-ness of my modular with Max (and also with my MicroMod), and there's just some stuff that I like to be able to do live that I can't conveniently do with a modular... and a serious amount of granular streams is one of them
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I hope the mobile device version of PD will be offered on the Raspberry Pi.... that could open up a very modular friendly world of high quality/voice computer granulation.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm quite fond of the idea of having an actual modular. I could never replace it with a computer. Perhaps it is that I work with computers all the time and want to get away from them when I create. There's something about a computer screen that kind of makes it not-leisure anymore for me. I went from reaktor to REAL modulars so... I'm never going back. w00t
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

yeah me too.. although If I could easily encapsulate a PD or Max patch into a standalone module that would be awesome...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Andrino and Max?

I'm still a bit naive about all these open source programs. It all seems a bit too geeky for me. I'm researching the whole idea but it seems like a bottomless pit of research. How far does one go before they can use it for compositions?

Granular effects just take me to outer space. I have to have it in my music, there is no doubt.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The Fragment Generator is not really granular in the way people are discussing, as in chopping up bits of digital audio. I just got a Tyme Sefari a couple of days ago and am having a lot of fun with it. I know it's not granular either, but it is letting me crudely shuffle and scan through small 8 bit audio samples. The Max 4 Live instrument Granulator is the shit, I doubt we'll see anything that huge in a module any time soon. I'd love something between those 2 extremes at some point for sure!

DGTom (the designer) describes the Fragment Generator:

I could call it a VC Electro Boogie Tom Fill module. . . but I don't think that will help much

its not digital but it can sound very digital.

it isn't a filter, tho it _contains filters_

it's more indebted to the Polyrhythmophone than the 258, but, has more in comman with the TR 808 than either of those.

it is, indeed, a PITA to explain without getting bogged down in technicals, but I'll do my best.

Its a 'voice module' that has VC over Frequency, Amplitude & Timbre built around 3 high Q (ringing) filters which we've called "fragments"

How often, how loudly, at which frequency & at which relative position each fragment 'rings' makes up the sound at any given moment in time.

It can sound like a 500bpm electro breakbeat, like the secret attic offspring of granulab & a CZ-101, make throaty, resonant filter sweepy sounds & insane subsonic, almost DC 'is this shit even on' speaker wobbling waveforms.

its my attempt at Marvel Comics "WHAT IF. . . Granular Synthesis Was Analogue!!?!?!" & is best used while wearing a cape with your undies on the outside of your pants for that very reason!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Drumdrumdrumdrum wrote:
Andrino and Max?

I'm still a bit naive about all these open source programs. It all seems a bit too geeky for me. I'm researching the whole idea but it seems like a bottomless pit of research. How far does one go before they can use it for compositions?


Max, it was about 1-2 hours for me, Arduino maybe more like a day.

How far did you have to go with a modular synth before you used it for a composition?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

if i have time i'll put together some sort of granular patch this weekend. though i'll be "cheating" as i'll be using my es3 & PD to provide the grain envelopes and CVs with random deviation. i only have enough modules to do 2 or 3 grains at once (3vcas, 3 vcos), but enough to be somewhat interesting....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Drumdrumdrumdrum wrote:
phase ghost wrote:
I'd say largely pointless. However, cv into the computer (via Silent Way) to control parameters of a granular synth plugin would be cool.


Well, this is getting OT Euro, but what good Granulators are being used? Really smooth ones that are Hi Hi Fi? I only know of the Granular EFX in Omnisphere that is really good. All the freeware ones like Granulator, just don't sound as Hi Fi to me on the demos.


I used to use the Martin Brinkmann's reaktor ensemble Grainstates all the time, and it's quite good. Another good is White Grains, although it's harder to control. I've also just started using Camel Audio's Alchemy synth for granular stuff, and it is amazing. Really high quality, and gives you much more control than the granular function in Omnisphere (as well as the all-important ability to use your own audio material).

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Why have I not heard about Alchemy before now? That is one slick VST! Im particularly interested in using this for resynthesis. They seem like a fun bunch of geek programers too.
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Reaktor is an amazing program with endless possibilities. Using both modular and reaktor is the best way for me (like for example passing the audio out from my modular to reaktor's granular effects). But I have to agree that watching a computer screen is a little tiresome lolspew
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Not to dis Reactor, but it always sounds like Reactor....if you know what I mean? Im starting to feel the same about Omnisphere too. Can pick it from a mile away on a movie soundtrack or nature doco.

I agree that a balance between VSTs and modular is the key. But balancing can be very tricky.

If some of these companies like Livid could get some real hands on interfacing between modular and VST then................

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