Muff's Modules & More

johnnywoods

Just curious...
the only announced Wiard module that hasn't seen release is the Anti-Envelope. I'm wondering if that was to be the "end of the line" for Malekko Wiard. I know Josh/Grant like to keep their cards relatively close to their chest, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

I have every Wiard/Malekko module, and I love them to pieces... but I see Malekko moving on to other designs (which are also fantastic), and I'm just wondering if I should lower my expectations for future Wiard stuff. seriously, i just don't get it

ignatius · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject:

curious as well. it does seem that malekko has other things on the horizon. the triple oscillator looks pretty interesting. i wonder if there are other digital modules in the works and if the series of 4hp modules will wrap up some time soon? the Qasr and VCA and weren't there others?

i think josh has a pretty heavy work load. so many pedals and various irons in the fire. hopefully we'll hear some news soon.

Wiard

mono-poly · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:57 am Post subject:

I hope the JAG will come to one day.
And the mixolator razz

Votek_Mendo · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject:

jenamu6 · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject:

unveil.....please? SlayerBadger!

wavehead · Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject:

Wiard is the only reason I am still in euro format, so I hope this is not true. I doubt it is, it just seems like a lot of delays have come into place. Remember that the Wiard designs are being produced by josh, not designed by him... it is totally up to Grant when or if any of these things come out.

I really doubt that Josh isn't replying to the 3 trillion Anti-Envelope questions because he never has any intention on releasing it.

Entrainer · Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject:

WTB: Anti-Envelope

Reptil · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:46 am Post subject:

+ 1 billion
you can't rush genius though hihi

grantrichter

dogoftears · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject:

The Lord of All Wogglebugs has spoken... nice to hear from you Grant smile

I for one would vote for a Euro-JAG. My Blacet system always stays at home, i would love to have a gig-able JAG.

What exactly is the idea behind the anti-envelope?

Entrainer · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject:

thanks for the info grant.

jonkull

plord · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:48 am Post subject:

Thanks Grant!

rico loverde · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:52 am Post subject:

awesome news. thanks Grant we're not worthy

dequalsrxt · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject:

Ahh this is good. Interesting to hear about the potential Hinton power supply too.

Jason Brock · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject:

I'm glad to hear Wiard will continue to develop for the format. These are my favorite modules! screaming goo yo

I'm also curious to see what develops on the power supply front.
The PSU I tried recently claimed it would be the "cleanest" due to the technology used, but I actually found it to have a more background noise (a lot more, actually) than every other PSU/bus board I have tried.

Strangely enough my MFB power/MIDI bus board was probably the quietest out of all the ones I've tried so far. I say "strangely enough" because a lot of people around here think of the MFB stuff as being cheap and poorly built.

lukas412 · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject:

I'm really curious about the PSU as well. I am using a Power-One 3.4 amp supply, I've calibrated this to as close to +/-12 as I can with my multimeter and I still get the glitch in the Uncle osc. Seems there has been a lot of back and forth as to why that glitch occurs and to whether or not it was part of the design. Would be nice to get a clear explanation about that one.

boramx · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:52 pm Post subject:

This makes me curious-

Do frac type +/- 15v also have this "issue"?

could someone briefly explain to me what is different with the grounding and calibration of a typical euro power supply/bus and a "professional" grade psu?

Rod Serling Fan Club · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:00 pm Post subject:

I'm very curious about the power supply issues myself. Everything I’ve read on this issue is kind of vague and not very scientific. Some of the same exact power supplies are being used in 5U, frac, and euro (namely power-one, condor, and some of the diy supplies like CGS). So what distinguishes a good power supply and distribution?

Low-Gain · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject:

Glad to see i'm not the only one who thinks the current power structure is !@#$'d in Eurorack format.

boramx · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject:

Low-Gain · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject:

Rod Serling Fan Club · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject:

So how would star grounding be implemented in euro? I assume it would be part of the distribution design as well as the power supply. When I look at frac, which I am told implements “star” grounding, I have a difficult time discerning what is different about it as compared to euro. Is it a problem with just the power supplies and distribution boards in euro or is it a problem in the actual modules as well? I’m really trying to wrap my head around this.

infradead · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject:

subscribing. neat read

ndkent · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject:

I'm kind of perplexed myself and might have missed something regarding the "Uncle". I've definitely seen and heard the double peaked triangle 2 wave and the bit of pot travel that does nothing preceding it.

The immediate question I have is, say for test purposes, we eliminate the distribution, no bus, direct connection to a high spec power supply. Will the glitch disappear?

grantrichter · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject:

Low-Gain · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject:

grantrichter · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:20 am Post subject: Absolute supply voltage accuracy

OK, I have some opinions on this and have seen the results of doing things other wise. Definition: A "mil" is one 1/1000 of an inch. Used for little tiny measurements like wire diameter and PC board trace and plating thickness.

Let's start with accuracy. A quotation taken from the technical manual for the ARP 2600. This is the first calibration step.

<quote> 3.1 Power Supply Adjustment

NOTE- THIS ADJUSTMENT MUST BE PREFORMED PRIOR TO MAKING ANY OTHER CALIBRATIONS

1. Connect a digital voltmeter across the +15 connection and ground
2. Adjust R10 for exactly +15.00 volts DC
3. Connect the DVM across the negative supply connection and ground.
4. Adjust R13 for exactly -15.00 volts DC <end quote>

So lets figure out what ARP thought was needed. 15.000/0.009 = 1,000,000/600 or 600 parts per million WORST CASE error.

When we have a resistor to a supply rail to offset the keyboard voltage by say 2 octaves. The supply rail can not have any more than 830 microvolts peak to peak of noise or the offset will be out of tune more than 1 cent.

I want to emphasis the 600 ppm MAXIMUM error spec. against the current euro-system spec. of 1% or 10,000 ppm MINIMUM error spec.
Cthulhu

mono-poly · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:57 am Post subject:

Grant do you got any news about the anti envelope?
Is it still planned for a release?

grantrichter · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:38 pm Post subject:

dadek · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:41 pm Post subject:

weinglas · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject:

plord · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject:

The news that the Anti-Env is still on the roadmap fills me with glee. Thanks Grant. Interested to learn more about the XMIX as well.

slow_riot · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject:

excellent news right there.

Reptil · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject:

thanks for the information!

mono-poly · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject:

Grant that sounds like music to my ears.
Can't wait to add those to my system!

analogsteve · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject:

This info is gold. Thank you Grant.

Low-Gain · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject:

J3RK · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject:

Montag · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject:

terrafractyl · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject:

Very Interesting Info!
I cant wait for the Xmix, I've been wanting something like this for ages, but I've been waiting for better options to come along applause

REwire · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:02 am Post subject:

I've had the Anti-Env in my modular planner for a very long time. Looking forward to it popping off the computer screen into my hot little hands!

Did these power issues suddenly become relevant when people started making their own power supplies or getting cheaper makes than the standard Doepfer and ASys designs? I can't believe that after hundreds of modules in existance that have worked as designed that somehow the spec is inferior for a another osc or envelope.

Dan

grantrichter · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: Learning the Euro infrastructure

de_raaf · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:35 am Post subject:

that sometimes the best way to learn!
hope to pick all the wiardup (although on the long run for me) one of the major reasons i started last year

keep it going and have fun weekend

wavehead · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject:

bwhittington

Norman_Phay

HueMonContact · Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:50 pm Post subject:

Thanks for letting us know the plan Grant!

I can't wait to get the Anti-envelope and Jag in my system.
I'm looking forward to hearing more details about the XMIX.
I think my euro setup will be complete once I get these last Wiard modules... Next I plan on getting a few Serge M-Class panels with my tax return money. When will it end?

cerebrosis · Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject:

Very interested in these new modules! All Wiard/Malekko is looking good(inc. MN WoggleBug and Blacet Mini Wave of course).

Monobass · Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject:

wavehead · Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject:

if there was something that could be done to the Uncle OSC design to fix the glitches I would do it immediately, whether it meant sending it to Josh or doing a mod myself

of course, I am having power supply issues, so the waveforms on mine sound worse than they would in the system of someone else (and i don't mean during LFO use but audio-rate). frustrating, but it still sounds great.

Prunesquallor · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:24 pm Post subject:

I don't know if this has already been suggested, but how about a Malekko Euro power supply?

It seems power/noise threads are popping up all the time now, and not just in connection with the Uncle. Given that everyone needs power, if someone could get together a well-grounded, low-noise source of power, with a good 5V supply, and enough juice to host a raft of modules, including Metasonix, they would fill a pretty big gap in the market.

Just my 0.02 pence.

seriously, i just don't get it

Monobass · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject:

@Prunesquallor

What is it about the TipTop Zeus system for example that you think is lacking?

Also worth reading Grant Richters comments quoted in this thread, not nearly as black and white as you suggest.

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30188

Prunesquallor · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:01 am Post subject:

@Monobass,

The initial reports of Zeus sound great, but is it The Answer? Has it eliminated noise in anyone's setup? How does this switching supply-based system compare with a quality linear supply-based system? Can it handle Metasonix modules? I haven't found answers to these questions yet.

How are you getting on with it?

Monobass · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:55 am Post subject:

The only question that doesn't seem to have been answered in terms of quality in other threads is how it handles Metasonix.

Have you considered actually mailing TipTop and asking? Just an idea hihi

I haven't installed my TipTop nboards yet, I may get as far as testing one module today but my case is probably a month off being finished.

Prunesquallor · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:39 am Post subject:

Just seen your message. Nah, no-one's posted any comparisons. Good idea about contacting Tiptop directly, tho. thumbs up

Looking forward to hearing how you get on if you ever post about it.
Anyway, I'm outta here before this thread gets derailed further... (hides)

Cheers!

dr. jacoby · Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject:

so much exciting info! for what it's worth, anti-env, jag and power would all be quickly swept up and integrated into my setup.

be patient, be patient...

dr. jacoby · Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject:

that is, if a wiard/malekko power situation is actually a possibility at all...or just speculation...

tongebirge · Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:07 am Post subject:

ahh new wiard /malekko modules hyper

and again ahhhh hyper

RichyHo · Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:41 am Post subject:

tongebirge · Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:47 am Post subject:

fac · Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:44 am Post subject:

This is from another thread but it fits here:

ynth · Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:59 am Post subject:

plord · Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:15 am Post subject:

I can empirically confirm that it is not possible to restrict your collection of Wiard/Malekko goodies to 6U. It's Absatively, Posolutely Un-Possible.

fac · Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 1:28 pm Post subject:

My planned system includes 2 Antis, 2 Unkles, 3 Envelators, one of each filter (Borg 1, Borg 2, Boogie), one Noisering, one Wogglebug, and few Malekko utility modules (Output, VCA, 8NU8R). My cabinet is 9U high, so if new Walekko modules come out, I'll have one extra row - meanwhile, it'll be occupied by my FR Mobius.

tongebirge · Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:12 am Post subject:

Same here, i have MN Woggle / 2 Antis/ 1 Uncle / Borg 1&2 / 2 Envelator/ 1 Noisering/1 Boogie all in a Doepfer P6.
Wiard

Mitchk1989 · Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:24 am Post subject:

2 anti's, a borg 2, a boogie, 2 envelators, and a noisering here.

tongebirge · Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject:

i want change the modules in a P9 screaming goo yo

zerosum · Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject:

causticlogic · Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject:

I foresee a Wiard/Malekko case in my future as well. Slowly they will become separated from their little buddies... twisted

sensanalog · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:38 am Post subject:

I guess I am not the only one here. I am thinking about building either a 6u or 9u all malekko/wiard to compliment my wiard 300! It will definitely be 9u if more modules are on the horizon. we're not worthy

rico loverde · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:55 am Post subject:

Ive got a 6u of wiard/Malekko but will be going to 9u once the new stuff comes out...

RomuloCesar · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:09 am Post subject:

So far .... 2 Anti, 2 Unkle, Borg 1&2, Boogie, 2 Noisering, 2 Envelator, JAG, 2 Xmix

I used to have a bug but exchanged for a second Noisering...

fac · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:59 am Post subject:

Entrainer · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject:

RISE!

J3RK · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject:

Arise Chicken! Chicken Arise!