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theglyph Maybe it was eat me?
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: Roland Jupiter 80 - Winning like Charlie Sheen! |
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It's being called the Jupiter 80! To be revealed at musikmesse.
Edited as new product confirmed today!
Changed the title of the thread to fit the reality of this product!
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| Johnisfaster wrote: | | You spelled piece of shit wrong. |
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theglyph Maybe it was eat me?
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It will likely be a piece of shit if it's a digital emulation!
I'm not expecting much other than a big old fucking  |
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ya, they put out that new juno a year or so ago.  |
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| 3vcos wrote: | ya, they put out that new juno a year or so ago.  |
Yup, just make sure you replace the battery so it doesn't leak on the analo.... um DSP! |
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| 3vcos wrote: | ya, they put out that new "juno" a year or so ago.  |
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| Johnisfaster wrote: | | You spelled piece of shit wrong. |
POTM!  |
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So shitty. I just picked up a system 100-101 and I can't believe how great this thing sounds. Why o why can't they make something like this again? _________________ http://haricots.bandcamp.com/ |
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Christopher Winkels Lord of Tweed Manor
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I'm not a chronic gear snob, but I literally cannot recall ever owning a piece of Roland gear that I didn't mind parting with. I've owned a Juno-6, a Fantom, a MKS-70, D-5, Juno-106, TR-707 and probably two or three other items that I can't recall at this time. Not one of them ever left me with pangs of regret after selling or trading them.
Maybe I'd feel differently about it if there had been some "big daddy" items by Roland in the list, like a Jupiter-8 or TR-909, but I'm skeptical.
By comparison I still have warm fuzzies about several Korg items that passed through my hands over the years, and I still miss my DW-6000 and Wavestation EX. Crucially I also own two Korg synths now. Rolands... not so much. |
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Roland was always the company whose gear I lusted over when I was younger and hadn't the funds to acquire them. Now I have a TR-707, a V-Synth XT and the trio of Sxx-330 Dimensional Space Reverb/Chorus/Delay (which I love to death). I'd love to get a keyless version of a Juno-106 (if that makes any sense). It's control panel is so sensibly laid out, and I love the sound. I'm just not looking to acquire any keyboards these days...
I've never had a particular affinity for the Jupiter 4/6/8, though. It'll be interesting to see if this Jupiter-80 resonates with me at all.
This workstation "market" that Roland seems to want to corner holds no interest for me, though. That pretty much holds true for every manufacturer. I really couldn't give a shit about a Triton or Motif or whatever, either. It's just not my workflow. _________________
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| Has Roland ever named anything after a long discontinued classic product that lived up to expectations? |
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I have had roland fever here for a little while, and I'm really liking it all: 808, 909, sh-101, jupiter-6 and a JX-3P which is soon to get the kiwi upgrade and editor. hope to land a 606 and 303 at some point in the near future but I'll hold out for a decent price, especially on the 303
but I don't think i have any newer roland gear. doesn't do much for me. anything newer for me is usually ithis or ithat, computer gear, or my trusty MPC1000
| Christopher Winkels wrote: | I'm not a chronic gear snob, but I literally cannot recall ever owning a piece of Roland gear that I didn't mind parting with. I've owned a Juno-6, a Fantom, a MKS-70, D-5, Juno-106, TR-707 and probably two or three other items that I can't recall at this time. Not one of them ever left me with pangs of regret after selling or trading them.
Maybe I'd feel differently about it if there had been some "big daddy" items by Roland in the list, like a Jupiter-8 or TR-909, but I'm skeptical.
By comparison I still have warm fuzzies about several Korg items that passed through my hands over the years, and I still miss my DW-6000 and Wavestation EX. Crucially I also own two Korg synths now. Rolands... not so much. |
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| ndkent wrote: | | Has Roland ever named anything after a long discontinued classic product that lived up to expectations? |
to be fair, the mc-505 was a lot better than the tr-505. but that wasn't hard (says the person who has owned 2 tr-505s, and still has one). |
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Roland has done digital re-releases of the SH-101 (SH-201) and the MC line as of well. All of which are complete pieces of shit. I expect this to be no different. They are more than likely name dropping Jupiter like that dropped Juno on the Gaia. Pure bullshit marketing. _________________ "Well, if you were never born, it wouldn't be your fucking birthday." - droolmaster0 aka Nelson Baboon |
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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here's a spy pic of it!
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I'm a Roland fiend! But I have to say that I'm not interested in anything post 1985. My first Roland was the RE-201 about four years ago, i've gone over board since then.
TR-505
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RE-201
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MSQ-100
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I've owned a few pieces here and there but the System 100-101 (main unit with the keyboard) interconnected with my Modcan is simply amazing! I'm now on the hunt for the expander.
I have a JX3P/PG200 combo which I will never sell - a seriously underrated analogue poly. _________________ http://haricots.bandcamp.com/ |
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A Dingleberry Monstrosity eat the kids first
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Roland's new piece of kit! |
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| theglyph wrote: | It's being called the Jupiter 80! To be revealed at musikmesse.
Will it be the analog poly we've all been dreaming of?
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must be a different time zone for you... its still march 31st here  |
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My guess is that it's going to be an updated jp8000, figuring that if they came out with a good, boring, va that seems worth the money and appeals to people who knows what the fuck 'supersaw' means, they'll make some money. These manufacturers are not the same species as the people who make our modular synths, and more creative pieces. It's totally about money, and the decisions that are made are entirely cynical. They may have some good people working for them, but they will work on instruments that are decided on by the higher ups.
I've never liked a roland instrument, mistakenly buying some because of the hype, and korg, yamaha, roland can fucking sink into the earth for all I care.
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In 20 years quantum computers will be too indeterminate to reproduce these classic 2011 supersaw sounds, and you all will wish you bought this thing at pre-collector prices.
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Call me when this shit can compete with a STS/200e/Livewire/Metasonix/Harvestman offering.
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Oh dammit I just realized I fell for this thread. This should go to show how much I actually trust this forum. Which is scary. _________________ "Well, if you were never born, it wouldn't be your fucking birthday." - droolmaster0 aka Nelson Baboon |
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Don't forget it runs on....
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| ndkent wrote: | | I'm not convinced that was named after the tr-505, as much as a successor to the mc-303. Roland is capable of improving a direct successor from time to time. |
but i want to believe they named it after the tr-505!
serious question - has roland produced anything in the last 15-odd years that was even remotely decent? |
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| Christopher Winkels wrote: | I'm not a chronic gear snob, but I literally cannot recall ever owning a piece of Roland gear that I didn't mind parting with. I've owned a Juno-6, a Fantom, a MKS-70, D-5, Juno-106, TR-707 and probably two or three other items that I can't recall at this time. Not one of them ever left me with pangs of regret after selling or trading them.
Maybe I'd feel differently about it if there had been some "big daddy" items by Roland in the list, like a Jupiter-8 or TR-909, but I'm skeptical. |
Probably, obviously not all Roland is the same.
I had, and then sold, an OP-8M, SPV-355, Juno 60, 106, all the MKS units, SH-101, MC-202, TR-606, TR-727, and two TR-707's
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| I bet it has the "D-Beam" when are they going to give up on that BS... Give us a simple assignable ribbon instead. |
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| aksen wrote: | | serious question - has roland produced anything in the last 15-odd years that was even remotely decent? |
V-Synth. Its capacity for sound fuckeruppery is really impressive. _________________
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serious question - has roland produced anything in the last 15-odd years that was even remotely decent? |
The V-Drums are pretty cool, but I guess you meant synth-wise. _________________ My music website | My modular blog |
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what's funny is if they just went to the old circuits and updated them w/ digital control like DSI... they could make a killing.
Any custom IC's could easily be reproduced (given advancement in manufacturing technology) or just done discretely. everything could be SMT which means cost of prodution goes down considerably.
So many companies want to be cutting edge, but they just don't seem to get it... Seems Moog and DSI will just have to set the bar. then again, they're independent and not major corps. so that explains quite a bit too. Boutique if you will..
Should be interesting to see what the jupitor-80 is.. Sure it will be another failboat marketed towards people who would never have the chance to hear the original in person so they just think it's a fancy updated version.
oh well.. We're such gear snobs it's funny.
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| Low-Gain wrote: | what's funny is if they just went to the old circuits and updated them w/ digital control like DSI... they could make a killing.
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I asked my Roland rep why Roland doesn't try reviving their classic legacy synths and drum machines in one way or another. He says the company is adamant about looking and moving forward, and not back. Which is fine and dandy, but nothing they put out now-a-days is worth looking forward to. Most of it is just so boring.
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Speaking of the D-Beam. I have the original stand alone, table top Dimension Beam produced before they were bought by Roland. It's pretty neet as a MIDI controller for that Theremin feel. _________________ A/V: http://www.hardscience.ca
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"acoustic and electric sounds with realism that makes no compromises"
"the upright bass is the most realistic I've ever heard"
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| Norman_Phay wrote: | "acoustic and electric sounds with realism that makes no compromises"
"the upright bass is the most realistic I've ever heard"
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I like the idea of it. I just have no idea why it's called a Jupiter. In fact, I think they're going to get a lot of disappointed people thinking that it's a poly analog (or poly VA). BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE JUPITER SERIES WAS. Fuck, Roland. Get yer head out yer ass. _________________
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*reads the article*
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| the articulation control thing as described in the article does actually sound v interesting. IIRC the VP770's sampled brass patches have some similar thing going on which is v v effective. Don't feel the reason for it to be called "Jupiter 80" is a good one though, I mean calling it that, people will expect it to be either a real analog, or a super-fancy VA. I like the colours anyway. |
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I don't quite get this.
Yes, I get that Roland want to move forward not look back. So why use the old names like the recent SH and VP stuff? _________________ a bunch of stuff
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| MrDys wrote: | | aksen wrote: | | serious question - has roland produced anything in the last 15-odd years that was even remotely decent? |
V-Synth. Its capacity for sound fuckeruppery is really impressive. |
Yeah, the V-Synth is pretty amazing and seems like an under-rated instrument to me. Would like one but room/$$$$/mental space is at a bit of a minimum. |
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Life cycle of a roland or korg device
year -0.5
announce product.
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release product.
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Release update fix some bugs + free patches !!!111
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Roland's making a new piece of shit?
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| aksen wrote: | | ndkent wrote: | | Has Roland ever named anything after a long discontinued classic product that lived up to expectations? |
to be fair, the mc-505 was a lot better than the tr-505. but that wasn't hard (says the person who has owned 2 tr-505s, and still has one). |
The catch there is that the 505 is hardly a classic. I kinda liked the kick drum, but it's pretty much 80's cheez all around.
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| chamomileshark wrote: | I don't quite get this.
Yes, I get that Roland want to move forward not look back. So why use the old names like the recent SH and VP stuff? |
Roland think that the only reason people are attached to those old synths is a rose-tinted rear view mirror, and naming their shiny new ROMplers like their old stuff and making a half-hearted attempt to have them physically resemble their old stuff is enough to lure people into trying them, at which point they will be seduced by performance features and polyphony and forget about things like how they actually sound, let alone editability.
It's a mentality straight out of the early 90s-at least Korg now understands that the people who want to buy something that looks like a synthesiser might just want it to sound like one as well.
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| Arturo00 wrote: | | He says the company is adamant about looking and moving forward, and not back. |
So when's that going to start? Oh wait.  _________________ I, Parasite | Synth fuckery on Soundcloud
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| gwaidan wrote: | | Roland think that the only reason people are attached to those old synths is a rose-tinted rear view mirror, and naming their shiny new ROMplers like their old stuff and making a half-hearted attempt to have them physically resemble their old stuff is enough to lure people into trying them, at which point they will be seduced by performance features and polyphony and forget about things like how they actually sound, let alone editability. |
Bingo.
I'm all for new innovative stuff, but there's a point where you need to make stuff people actually need. IMHO, the fact that the "desire" for substractive analog synthesis has been there for the last 15 years is a pretty good indication of what a substantial part of the market wants.
Seriously, I'm skeptical that someone would burn $4000 for this. If you are looking for presets and virtual instruments, something like Garageband + a controller could do a comparable job for far less.
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They need to fucking stop already.
It looks stupid as shit, and I think the player that would want this would rather in the boring ol' Fantom aluminum enclosure.
Die Roland, die.
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Seriously .. .what did you really expect?
The big 3 are only gonna make gear for "giggers". Which I doubt many of us on this forum are. Don't blame them.. the state of music sucks more than ever... what would you do if you were them? It is a business after all.
You don't need anything "new" and you know it. So don't expect anything new to be good. It's been done already.... go vintage. |
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| chando wrote: | Seriously .. .what did you really expect?
The big 3 are only gonna make gear for "giggers". Which I doubt many of us on this forum are. Don't blame them.. the state of music sucks more than ever... what would you do if you were them? It is a business after all.
You don't need anything "new" and you know it. So don't expect anything new to be good. It's been done already.... go vintage. | I was kind of thinking that maybe the market is changing and roland puts out something analog ( korg has done it already with the monotron) but then I kind of new that maybe not, I was too optimistic to guess that they would do the same thing as with new "junos"... There is alot of new good stuff happening all the time, besides vintage is starting to get expensive. _________________ For sale 3 L-1 compressors (eurorack) : http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85287
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| digitalganesha wrote: | | Slightly OT: God I want a system 100. |
well then you're going to love the new roland system-200! featuring authentic brass and string samples, and an intuitive menu system for recreating those classic analogue sounds that we've raped to death! |
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Oh Snap! Can I pre-order? Where do I send the check?  |
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| astroschnautzer wrote: | | There is alot of new good stuff happening all the time, besides vintage is starting to get expensive. |
the key word there is "starting" ... catch the wave... fuck the late bloomers.
I also find the vintage is expensive comments ironic. I buy vintage because it's all I can afford. To each their own. |
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| chando wrote: | | The big 3 are only gonna make gear for "giggers". Which I doubt many of us on this forum are. Don't blame them.. the state of music sucks more than ever... what would you do if you were them? It is a business after all. |
You might be right. But there are a few things I've learned in my years of "gigging". One is that "giggers", indeed, are an endangered breed. Look around, even the "classic rock/top 40" guys are finding it hard these days.
So what's left ?
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Don't forget the B3 emulator!!!
| aksen wrote: | | digitalganesha wrote: | | Slightly OT: God I want a system 100. |
well then you're going to love the new roland system-200! featuring authentic brass and string samples, and an intuitive menu system for recreating those classic analogue sounds that we've raped to death! |
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I can think of a lot of people and bands, myself included, who gig and tour with analog gear.
Did you ever think about how much money Moog makes? Seriously. They may not be a rival to Korg, Roland and Yamaha, but they are pulling in a good chunk, and they have branded themselves to be desired by the whole spectrum of musicians, not just the niche; from Maroon 5 to The Egg, there are Voyagers and Phattys on lots of stages these days.
Roland would be able to make a profit off an analog poly these days, but it's ONLY because the Andromeda, Dave Smith and to an extent; Moog have all paved the way for them to do it. But I would rather see Roland not do it and Moog finally release a ploy. Roland is happy where they are. And I am happy not desiring a single Roland product since the JP-8000.
Fuck, I'd be THRILLED to see them make an actual successor to the JP-8000. Non of their VA implementations have come even close to sounding as good as that did. Isn't that a bit odd.
| chando wrote: | Seriously .. .what did you really expect?
The big 3 are only gonna make gear for "giggers". Which I doubt many of us on this forum are. Don't blame them.. the state of music sucks more than ever... what would you do if you were them? It is a business after all.
You don't need anything "new" and you know it. So don't expect anything new to be good. It's been done already.... go vintage. |
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My problem with the "Roland/Korg/Yamaha only sell to the working musician" refrain that gets trotted out every time we're disappointed by one of their "new" offerings: there just can't be that many (working musicians) around to fund this business model.
Sure there are plenty of them. And sure they outnumber Wigglers by a ratio of 100:1 (if not more), but these are mostly people who want a good piano, a good organ ,a good string sound, plus a few more thrown in for whatever genres they work in. They are not chasing the latest and greatest, and don't obsess over envelope attack times or how good the filter sounds at self-oscillation. How many times can the Big Three repackage what is essentially the same technology (i.e. ROMplers with a few programming tweaks that 90%+ of the purchases never exploit) and resell it to working/gigging musicians?
I'll admit I don't have access to the mounds of marketing data that large manufacturers have, but I just don't get it. There's clearly a niche that's being left unexploited. Dave Smith and Moog Music and and handful of others demonstrate this day after day. |
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| Christopher Winkels wrote: | I'm not a chronic gear snob, but I literally cannot recall ever owning a piece of Roland gear that I didn't mind parting with. I've owned a Juno-6, a Fantom, a MKS-70, D-5, Juno-106, TR-707 and probably two or three other items that I can't recall at this time. Not one of them ever left me with pangs of regret after selling or trading them.
Maybe I'd feel differently about it if there had been some "big daddy" items by Roland in the list, like a Jupiter-8 or TR-909, but I'm skeptical.
By comparison I still have warm fuzzies about several Korg items that passed through my hands over the years, and I still miss my DW-6000 and Wavestation EX. Crucially I also own two Korg synths now. Rolands... not so much. |
I miss my Jupiter 4 and my TR808 is a keeper.
The only Roland thing I have apart from the 808 is a DR110 and DR55 (well boss) and my R8 MKII which is the best drum machine ever
OH and of course, one of the best samplers ever. The S-770/750. Damn. Nearly forgot.
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I have a bunch of old roland stuff and it really sounds incredible! Tr-808 is amazing sounding, 909 is really BIG and funky too.. JP6 sounds lush yet thin in a cool way... SH7 is unique and RAW sounding, tb-303 well, its rubbery and fun.. tr-606 total classic hi-hats! I even LOVE the sound of the MKS-50, makes great pads and love the hoovers too!!
The newer stuff is bland, but playable, its like two different worlds entirely! _________________ its like saying you experience michaelangelo because there is a picture on your happy meal
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"Price $3500-$4000"
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| science wrote: | "Price $3500-$4000"
Uhh... seriously? |
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Dude what are you complaining about???
Jupiter 8's go for like $7000-$8000 on Ebay man!!!! Roland is doing us a favor! I mean, this is the Jupiter 80 man. EIGHTY. Thats like 10X the Jupiter 8 for half the cost.
And it does B3!!!
| science wrote: | "Price $3500-$4000"
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| I vote we rename the title of this thread "Roland's new peice of shit!" |
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| Christopher Winkels wrote: | | Sure there are plenty of them. And sure they outnumber Wigglers by a ratio of 100:1 (if not more), but these are mostly people who want a good piano, a good organ ,a good string sound, plus a few more thrown in for whatever genres they work in. They are not chasing the latest and greatest, and don't obsess over envelope attack times or how good the filter sounds at self-oscillation. How many times can the Big Three repackage what is essentially the same technology (i.e. ROMplers with a few programming tweaks that 90%+ of the purchases never exploit) and resell it to working/gigging musicians? |
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And this market is dominated by Nord-many of the guys who are the target market for this grew up in the 90s lusting after a Nord Lead and don't give a shit that a Roland ROMpler has multicoloured buttons to ape some old analog poly they've never seen up close or played. Roland is seriously misjudging 2 market segments at the same time. |
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This is a weird thing to say on a modular forum, but it looks bulky as hell. If I were a wedding keyboardist, I wouldn't want to lug that fucker around. _________________
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If anyone wants a laugh, a couple of guys who are suspected Roland reps are over at Gearslutz and their taking a kicking. I just dont understand Rolands logic in all this. The name is what bothers me the most. Ugh... Why Jupiter?
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Never had a Fantom/Motif/V-Synth or whatever so I dont know... Dont like the size of it but I think it sounds ok... When they are around a grand on ebay in two years, I might pick one up.
Of course there will be no support and the new 'MonsterSynthNothingLIkeItBefore' will be out then. (Im just bitter they dropped the VS-2000CD 6 months after I bought mine, slapped some pads on it and called it the MV-8800)
The Howard Jones vids on MatrixSynth had some nice sounds - I felt cringy for Howard tho!
Of course I never touched an original so Im going purely on the matrix vids...
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| Read a bit of that gearslutz thread (bangs head against table) lol@ppl who are dissing on it for having preset buttons labelled such as "flute", "oboe", "sax" etc I mean no classic Roland analog instrument EG Promars, Jupiter 4, JX3P would have had such things on them would they. |
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I noticed on the specs that this thing can apparently provide up to 256 voices.
Why?
Who uses 256 voices - or anything approaching that number - for anything? Even if I stack 8 "oscillators" to get a sound I'm still getting 32 voices of polyphony; more than I'd ever use from one instrument simultaneously. Live players don't need that, and if they're studio rats who do recordings for films or TV they either have a stack of instruments and/or use multiple VSTs recording to the essentially unlimited channels of audio that modern recording provides.
It's not like 20 years ago when there'd be guys using an outboard sequencer and one keyboard, pushing the limits of what that one synth could do with multiple sections, splits, layers, etc. I can't think of anyone who does that now, so who's the market for this sort of polyphony mission-creep from one instrument?  |
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You're probably right about it being a polyphony arms race.
The problem is one of diminishing returns. Doubling polyphony from 3 to 6 yields obvious benefits for the number of actual notes one can play simultaneously. Doubling again from 6 to 12 means voice stealing isn't much of an issue anymore on sounds with long releases. Go from 12 to 24 now means splits and layers aren't painful exercises in cost:benefit analysis. But going from 24 to 48? 48 to 96? Each doubling gives far more notes yet perversely matters far less to one's enjoyment or utility from an instrument.
I know I've banged on about several times in other threads, but I always find myself asking what's more desirable: the ability to play more notes, or the ability to play deeper, better, richer sounds with greater modulation possibilities?
Or to change the equation: why not trim polyphony to give a concomitant cuts in price by using less advanced computing power?
This instrument seems like an exercise in out-speccing rather than actually out-performing the putative competition. Though I'm willing to grant it might do the latter, it's not really my cup of tea. |
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Hang your head in shame, Sirrah. Hang it in shame! |
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I wasn't sure if I should post this in the silly video thread in off topic but considering the ribbing here I'll post.
I'm not 100% sure but I believe this is a joke.
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revtor Dialing it in..
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that is totally stunning..
I am stunned that they paid this guy to do that. no wonder the rest of the band left him..
there is a vid showing the ability of layering (iirc) 3 patches on each of 4 splits. So yeah, alot of sonic potential there, but imagine trying to edit 3 patches buried down in menus for 4 splits. dayum. I'd probably just be hitting the flute button 90% of the time. Oh wait I have my casio for sweet flute tones.
In all honesty if someone offered to give me one of these, I'd ask for a GAIA instead. |
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richard bananaphile
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theglyph Maybe it was eat me?
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Well, I can't decide if he's actually playing the Lucky Man solo or if it's an overdub set up as a joke by Don Solaris (who I believe is a member here?).
It's actually more difficult to tell than I first thought after further viewing!
If it's a fake....
If it's real....  |
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richard bananaphile
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gwaidan Super Deluxe Wiggler
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Got to see one at a music store today-only dedicated controls are for "partial balance" which gives the impression it's basically an LA-synthesis based preset organ, making the Jupiter-80 moniker even more of a travesty. Underwhelming sound, maybe they see it selling as an upgrade path for people who've outgrown their Juno-G?  |
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syzygywell aligned wiggler
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Allow me. _________________ It's been a long time since someone wrote a really good book in jail. |
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Phollop Willing PA Wiggling with Experience
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hellohihowareyou Wiggling with Experience
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musicradar.com rates almost everything favorably. There are very few items that get lower than a 4 out of 5 stars and the list of pros is always 5x as long as the list of cons. Furthermore the cons list often says some shit like "the look might not be for everyone"
And that's how I feel about music radar. |
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aumgn Common Wiggler
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| Johnisfaster wrote: | | You spelled piece of shit wrong. |
laugh of the day for me........my exact thought |
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Phollop Willing PA Wiggling with Experience
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On my third demo with the Jupiter 80, I began to realize that this synthesizer, er emulator, is a must have for those scoring film music and the like. It seems like it would be really good investment for that and the sounds are the best emulations of real instruments I've ever heard coming from an all in one keyboard. Just sayin'...
Initially I took the 'wrong' approach and was looking for sounds I hadn't heard before. What I did hear, was real instruments. Because of this, I can no longer say the Jupiter 80 is 'thin' anymore, but it's not 'phat' either, because it's an 'emulator' of real instruments, and a darn good one.
Think of it a keyboard for someone in Paul McCartney's band or the Moody Blues who wish to emulate the orchestrations of such work as Days of the Future Passed or Sgt. Pepper's. On the other hand, people like Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman may want something a bit more synthetic sounding and will use something like a Korg Kronos and the like. _________________ Analogue & Digital & MacBeth
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gwaidan Super Deluxe Wiggler
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They've just brought out a Jupiter-50... _________________
| lordofthebored wrote: | | Any news on this yet? I just sold all my other modules of this type so I could replace it with this different implementation of the same thing! |
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shaft9000 is dead
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| Phollop Willing PA wrote: | | it's an 'emulator' of real instruments, and a darn good one. |
^^^here's the problem vvv
| Quote: | | Think of it a keyboard |
while the Jupiter-8 may have been an attempt by Roland to make the most convincing emulator of real instruments using available technology at the time, in actuality the JP-8 turned out to be one of the all-time great analog polyphonic synthesizers with a distinguished sound that is valued by many 30+ yrs after it's inception.
The Jupiter-80, to contrast, is really attempting to do the same sort of thing as JP-8 did fundamentally, at least according to Roland. But JP-80 is up against so many other ways of doing it already that it just looks weird, and is not so advanced or interesting in the way synths were 30+ yrs ago, compared to how they are viewed today(mundane).
So while the JP-80 is undoubtedly the superior emulator of acoustic instruments vs JP-8, it is still only a keyboard attached to a CPU and has those fundamental limits to be stuck with. so emulation is only so-good. no matter how many d-beams and sliders and touchpads it's still a stupid keyboard trying to be a sax or string section or whatever(at the same time LOL). it was an intriguing idea in 1988, but wake up people - there are limits to the idea of a keyboard's validity as some sort of "master instrument". it just doesn't cut it anymore beyond the karaoke and church crowd, who generally don't really love music enough to give a shit.
last point is naming it JP-80 is a bad decision on Roland's part. we have better memories than they do regarding their own product, and what that identity suggests is not delivered in said-named product/instrument/contraption.
oh well.... next. _________________ youtube.com/shaft9000 ◄ modcan+euro demo:study
shaft9000.muffwiggler.com ◄ singles:mp3
shaft9000.bandcamp.com ◄ album |
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