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Matos

okay, since sometimes things are not as clear as they seem I'm putting together this thread to help all us silent way new jacks to get our glorious hustle on.
so, if you have a dc coupled interface but are confused by the cable issue, this might help. if anything i post is off, let me know.
so as you know, normal stereo cables wont work as outlines in the manual. See below...

Bluebox · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject:

I build Silent Way compatible TRS-1/8" cables as well... PM me.

I use high-quality Instalux wirestock and premium Neutrik termination. At the moment I am offering black and purple wirestock with black heatshrink over the 1/8" plug, or black wirestock with black Neutrik termination and "carbon-fiber"-look PET sleeve over the length of the cable.

Here's a link to give you a rough idea of what these cables look like:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=636326&highlight=#635 901

Sorry if this seems like spam, I don't mean it that way. Just figured I'd let people know I am making these cables (in addition to regular patch cables).

Cheers,
-ian

bsmith · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject:

One neato about using an insert cable kind of arrangement is that you get an inverted signal off the ring (as noted above) which can be useful.
I use these thingies out of my patch bay with a headphone adapter which I have collected a million of somehow over the years:
3.5mm TRS-Dual 3.5mm(F) Mono ($2 - $6)

and these are bitchin keen too to come out of the patch bay with a trs 1/4" to (trs' comes in the other side of what is seen in the image, take the signal out of the top black jacks for tip signal, the bottom red ones for ring inverted - I use a little adapter to convert to 3.5mm to take to euro when I use this thing):
Neutrik NYS-SSR-8 ($20-$30) - same as the rean thing matos linked to above.

vstace · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:18 am Post subject:

Just chiming in to let you all know what I did to make a cheap floating ring patchbay. I had a 48 point deltron TRS patchbay laying around (I think it was less than $50 new) With this patchbay and perhaps many others, I was able to simply pull the guts out of a few pairs in the bay and disconnect the ring wire. Then I just used some 1/4 mono to 1/8 mono adapters with some instrument cables. The 1/4 to 1/8 mono adapters are 2 for $3 shipped on ebay. With only modding 3 stereo pairs I now have as 6 CV outs and the rest are regular TRS for recording or regular patching. Hope to help.

Tronketz · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject:

Is this thread specifically for OUTPUTTING DC?

In other words, will I risk damaging my audio interface if I want to build TS cables for INPUTTING DC? My audio interface (MOTU ultralite mk3) can already output DC.

os · Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:25 am Post subject:

The MOTU interfaces do not have DC-coupled inputs. Very few do (I can't think of any off-hand).

I suggest you use Silent Way CV Input, and regular balanced audio cables.

Tronketz · Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject:

One more question: When using special cables to output computer CV, is the output bipolar or is it 0v and up?

os · Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:55 am Post subject:

I'll reply in the other thread you started.

vstace · Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:21 am Post subject:

I'm running out of DC outs on my interface.

Question: How can the inverted signal be used with the TRS split cables? Can the inverted ring side give me more usable pitch and gate outs? I'm guessing the pitch will be tracking backwards and the gate with be constant on, but can there be a new plugin developed to adjust for this?

Also, I assume it's possible and straight forward to run an ES-4 simultaneously with a DC coupled audio card?

Thanks

os · Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:36 am Post subject:

The inverted signal is only useful for e.g. LFOs where it gives you the opposite phase. It can't be used for extra CV/gate outs.

An ES-4 will run alongside the main DC-coupled outs fine (assuming you have S/PDIF out).

If the card is a MOTU make sure you read this thread.

skecr8r · Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject:

Just to get this straight:

I want to send from a Motu Ultralite. I don't currently have a snake laying around, but I do have a bunch of 1/4 TRS cables. This will work as well, right?

From this thread I gather I could buy the Neutrik/Rean NYS SSR-8, and patch the outputs from my Motu into the input side. I can then plug-in 1/4 to 1/8 STEREO adapters into the black send part of the patchbox and output CV using regular 1/8 to 1/8 Eurorack cables.

Is the above correct?

os · Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject:

It will work, but it ignores the "floating ring" advice.

skecr8r · Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject:

... I thought that was exactly what the NYS SSR-8 did, sent out a S only signal and an inverted signal?

Why the hell isn't there just some dude in Europe that makes these cables if even that solution doesn't solve the problem? Sly Goose wants more for the shipping than their cables.

Should I just get insert cables instead (something like this: http://robbi-pa.dk/images/thumbnails/850x560/FFFFFF/images/30304762.jp g)? And some stereo convertes 1/4" to 1/8"?

os · Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject:

I'm actually having some floating ring cables made - expect to have them for sale before the end of the month.

Insert cables are a good choice in the meantime.

skecr8r · Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject:

So, insert cables doesn't have the ring problem, is that correct? So if I buy the snake pictured I don't need additional cables, or do I need to buy some eventually like the ones you are having made?

os · Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject:

Insert cables effectively give you a floating ring. The downside is that you have a spare plug dangling around all the time, and you still need the 1/4" to 3.5mm adaptors.

Tronketz · Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject:

os · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:07 am Post subject:

Yes - just waiting on the delivery.

Junk Rhythm · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:09 am Post subject:

os · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:12 am Post subject:

I'd like to think so.