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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Anyone who's done pro audio programming knows the effort and headache that comes with it makes it something you wouldn't want to do for free.

Paying a quite small sum of money for say the eventide space, isn't too much to ask IMO. I mean, it has A LOT of knobs, sturdy construction, great algos and most importantly, the dsp inside is the sole dev target = top notch quality

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

amnesia wrote:
ZDSP


you can't do so complex things with it's resources / DSP chip...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Gentlemen, start your wallets... just got the following email:

At the NAMM show we are going to unveil the following new native plug-ins (sorry, we can barely contain ourselves)

Blackhole from the acclaimed Space Stompbox (with its DNA from the DSP4000/H8000 studio processors). Available in March for a special limited time intro price of only $99! (regularly $199).

And the H3000 Factory from ModFactory 1, 2, and PatchFactory from the venerable H3000 D/SE. It includes the numbered factory presets from these algorithms and a whole lot more. Available in March for a special limited time intro price of only $149! (regularly $299).

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

polyslax wrote:
Gentlemen, start your wallets... just got the following email:

At the NAMM show we are going to unveil the following new native plug-ins (sorry, we can barely contain ourselves)

Blackhole from the acclaimed Space Stompbox (with its DNA from the DSP4000/H8000 studio processors). Available in March for a special limited time intro price of only $99! (regularly $199).

And the H3000 Factory from ModFactory 1, 2, and PatchFactory from the venerable H3000 D/SE. It includes the numbered factory presets from these algorithms and a whole lot more. Available in March for a special limited time intro price of only $149! (regularly $299).


sold!!!!!!!! let me at'em

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

so these will just be straight VSTs right? Anyone know what the protection will be on them? I have e-licenser only here.
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chamomileshark wrote:
so these will just be straight VSTs right? Anyone know what the protection will be on them? I have e-licenser only here.


i'm hoping challenge response but my guess is they'll be iLok2

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

sigh. i think that will count me out. It's ok I do appreciate they need to protect their investment.

Maybe some day I'll pick up one of the stomp boxes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yup, iLok 2.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

apfEID wrote:
Yup, iLok 2.



bummer about iLoks. i'd love to have the ilok plugs on my laptop for when traveling or playing live.. no way i'll do that with a stupid ilok waiting to be stolen/lost/broken.

so, the handful of iLok plugs i use are stuck in my desktop. i'll not take an iLok on the road or have it hanging off my laptop for any reason.

but.. there are a couple things i can't resist and are iLok only.. these eventide plugs will be in that list.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

iloks are a stupid business decision because lots of producers will not touch anything with an ilok, and that includes me ... simply because its the most superfluous piece of hardware imaginable.

also, i just bought a time factor for live and im not impressed. it is huge and heavy, uses up a lot of electricity and sounds ... like a plugin. there is no saturation on the tape delay and none of the settings sound better than a good analog delay to my ears. (a line 6 echo park does a much better job at that). it has a looper function which is unusable because there is only memory for 12 seconds. the best thing about it is that it outputs a good line level for the mixer.

so i guess im done with eventide hardware. i just hope small operations like valhalla come up with plugins like that which are affordable and no hassles. meanwhile go check out the nasty DLA for an example on how good a digital delay could sound. its free and comes without an ilok ,-)

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/nastydla-final-teaser-a nd-release-info/

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

valhalla is the shit. love those plug ins to death.

sooner or later iLok2 will be cracked and then you can buy the plugs and use the cracks if your moral compass requires that.

but i agree about iloks.. i hate them. it's unfair for paying customers to be punished for being honest.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

lilakmonoke wrote:

also, i just bought a time factor for live and im not impressed. it is huge and heavy, uses up a lot of electricity and sounds ... like a plugin. there is no saturation on the tape delay and none of the settings sound better than a good analog delay to my ears. (a line 6 echo park does a much better job at that). it has a looper function which is unusable because there is only memory for 12 seconds. the best thing about it is that it outputs a good line level for the mixer.

so i guess im done with eventide hardware.



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Sounds like you are running an old version of the TimeFactor. Update it to the latest version for saturation in the Tape Delay mode.

Judging the TF by the Tape Delay and the looper is kind of strange IMO, thats 2 of 10 modes it has and in my opinion the weakest. Although I dont use loopers it certainly not considered top tier by my my friends that do. The TF strengths over a plugin are interface, its hardware and raw power. Modulate the Digital Delay mode, play with the mod delay and multitap for examples. Of course maybe you expecting something different than a table top digital delay that can handle extreme modulation without glitching?

did you try modulating it with CV yet?

here is an example of how I use the TimeFactor


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

cry ilok cry

I have an ilok 2, but currently don't use it for anything. Maybe I'll have to use it and get these.

Much rather not deal with an ilok though. I'm on the fence.

And, yes someone will crack it. It's only a matter of time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I will probably go for the H3000 factory although the UI does look a bit lacking. If it gives me some of my rack Eventide sounds with more grit in a plugin form I'm in! Despite the iLok (which I do not have yet)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I don't mind iloks. Then again, I come from the days of daisychaining multiple microguard and eve dongles (the ones that plugged into the serial/keyboard port), I had 4 at one point. Or the flexLM license server that you'd have to have running on the network serving licenses as needed. Or the days of the dongle that would plug into the serial/printer port, and you'd still have to wait to get a fax from the software company that had the flexLM license, and if you got a bad fax and couldn't read the keycodes that had a seperate license for each feature in the same piece of software, you were screwed and might have to call Toronto or Montreal to deal with support, and this is even before you get the software up and running.

ilok's are a godsend in comparison to me. a dongle that has multiple licenses?! Used to be a dongle per piece of software.

I had one problem where my dongle failed, it broke for whatever reason, sent it in, ilok send me a new one with my licenses intact within a couple days. Probably faster if I paid the extra for the no-downtime.

It could be much much worse than one dongle you stick in a usb port. seriously, i just don't get it
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

PS - you need the iLok2 not the iLok1.


chances are most new plug ins will require the iLok2 at some point.. so even if you already have an iLok1 you'll have to go out and spend 50 more fucking dollars on a stupid piece of plastic if you want to upgrade when the time comes.. this is already happening.. the cony sonnox plug in updates require iLok2.. my guess is when all the plugs go to 64bit many will require the new 'currently uncracked iLok2'

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thanks for the timefactor demo. I think I saw it before - I'm less interested in the tape delay emulations as if I really need it I have a ReVox here, plus analogue delay so I am looking for a decent digital delay.
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I actually like the iLok/iLok2. If you move around between different studios, you just plug in the dongle and all your stuff is authorized. Imagine activating 50 pieces of software with challenge/response or a serial...nightmare.
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Denis Goekdag wrote:
I actually like the iLok/iLok2. If you move around between different studios, you just plug in the dongle and all your stuff is authorized. Imagine activating 50 pieces of software with challenge/response or a serial...nightmare.


yeah i think it's a good option for a lot of people.. especially traveling engineers.

however, all my ilok plugs are on my desktop and i will never ever plug my ilok into my laptop... ever. i will not take it to a gig or travel with it anywhere. iLok's ZDT is a joke. i would no doubt lose, break or have stolen any stupid dongle that i have to bring with me.

they should offer a 2nd auth for laptops or something.. hard disc authorization.. i'd even pay an extra few $$ to get to use the plug ins i already paid for on my laptop w/o a stupid dongle.

they could just make a virtual dongle. that's what the SSL plug ins use. or PACE could make its own NI service center/FXpansion authorizer/sonalksys authorizer...

there are other options.

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