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ignatius

it's in this article

http://www.sonicscoop.com/2011/10/20/eventide-turns-40-and-turns-a-cor ner-as-well/

also some chatter at pre-AES interview things where they discuss the pro tools AAX format

"Up until now, obtaining the progressive and powerful suite of Eventide plug-in has carried a premium price tag. Tomorrow, Agnello and company are set to arrive at the 131st AES convention and announce that for the first time, every user can afford access to these uniquely flexible tools.

As of 2011, Eventide is going Native."

Junk Rhythm · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject:

Interesting.

ignatius · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject:

i've wanted the anthology bundle as vst/au forever. even just the H3000 factory and the band delays would be killer.

pulse_divider · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:53 pm Post subject:

At this point my interest will depend on the pricing... The Valhalla plugins are as good or better in my opinion as any eventide I've heard/used

Junk Rhythm · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject:

CalvaryBand · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:45 am Post subject:

Such good news. I cannot wait.

Veqtor · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:54 am Post subject:

RTAS is the console of the plugins. There's no performance gain in the hardware, it is just a really bulky dongle and now that they've given in to peer pressure and made pt native, realized their mistake and drafted the new aax specification devs are getting cold feet.

This is good, I hate pt and more specifically I despise how they're most likely bribing plugin manufacturers to develop plugins only for the RTAS format. This is just a way of selling their expensive hardware.

It's like xbox, a "magical" machine which is in fact just a dongle which forces users to pay monthly subscriptions to play multiplayer games.

I like this news a lot, I hope they realize that the uniqueness of the H3000 factory probably has a quite wide appeal in the native market. If I were them I would make it priority number one and band delays prio 2.

ignatius · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject:

Babaluma · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:49 pm Post subject:

i thought there was already a native version of the 2016 reverb, no?

i think this could be cool, again, depending on pricing! i've always wanted to get the "rainbow dome musick" style effects (that's a really old eventide i believe).

RustyO · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject:

I'll probably be down with this, love my Eventides.

Again, comes down to pricing, but I'd say it would be no more then $800?

I mean they have to compete with the price of the hardware ($1k?), Eclipse ($1.2k?) and most importantly SoundToys ($450), nevermind all the other options.

pulse_divider · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:09 pm Post subject:

OK - Pricing.. here's some thoughts..

current prices - sound toys included as a reference and to show difference between native and TDM versions

soundtoys native = $495 for 8 plug ins (though 'speed' is the pitch/time algorithm for lgoic)
soundtoys TDM = $1195 for 9 plug ins including speed

eventide anthology TDM bundle II = $995 for 15 plug ins

so, with that in mind it seems quite possible that the native eventide offerings would have to be affordable/comparable even if they split it into 2 bundles which may make sense.

either way.. i'm stoked.. i'd be happy to just have the H3000 factory for all the in depth weirdness it can create.

but with everything going AAX for pro tools i wonder if there will be a price restructuring from many developers to cover the cost of porting everything to a new format?

lilakmonoke · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:48 am Post subject:

i never understood the secret behind the eventide monopoly. its all based on pitch shifting, time stretching, filtering and various delay lines. the algorhythms for that are public domain and anybody could do it with lots of dsp power. what we really need is an open hardware platform where the best codes can be developed in public domain and uploaded. then eventide will be out of business in next to no time.

amnesia · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:05 am Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:05 am Post subject:

Morley · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:54 am Post subject:

budz · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:10 am Post subject:

Totally naive to just assume they use public domain algos. Have you ever tried using any other harmonizer than an Eventide? Try it sometime, they just don't compare wink

I think you could maybe say that most digital EQs use much the same DSP as each other.. but with things like pitch shifting, granular stuff and time stretching, there are far more variables imho.

polyslax · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:47 am Post subject:

A hardware Harmonizer is on my short list, but the price of the plugins may tempt me to go the software route.

Hmmm... I wonder if a Harmonizer price drop might be coming to keep the hardware attractive or if the markets are different enought that you wouldn't expect plugin sales to eat in to hardware sales?

Kent · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:15 pm Post subject:

apfEID · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:18 pm Post subject:

It's surreal to see someone wish that I lose my job (have Eventide go out of business), even if I don't work in the audio division here.

Entrainer · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject:

Hmmm...

The new Pro-Tools plug-in format, AAX, is
replacing both TDM and RTAS. The AAX
format can be both Native and DSP accelerated.

So, yes... they may be going "native", but
it doesn't mean we'll see AU or VST versions.
I guess it depends on their AVID contract and
if Eventide signed an exclusive agreement.

It would appear to make sense financially to
support AU and VST, unless they get a premium
or signing bonus with AVID.

At this point, with computers becoming faster
and faster, I think the only way AVID can win
is to lure the best 3rd party developers into an
exclusive deal, like how XBox + Sony Playstation
have their exclusive flagship franchises.

ignatius · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject:

Entrainer · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject:

RustyO · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject:

looks like 2016 and omnipressor will be first in line. some info on pricing

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2011/10/24/aesny11-eventide-native-plug -ins/

hopefully the others follow soon!

dkcg · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject:

The prices look fairly reasonable, but I hope they do have bundles too. $99 here, $149 there, $79 there, all add up.

As for the hardware versions, kinda nice not needing a computer that could crash in the middle of a show. I think the hardware will be fine, the pricing on the software seems like a lot more will get into Eventide. $2000 for a 2016 vs $150 for the plugin version, should get people to loosen their wallets much more easily for $150 than $2000.

I wonder if the Lexicon reverbs going to plugins had a big factor in the decision. Either way, it's good news for me.

ignatius · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject:

ndrd · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:32 am Post subject:

Entrainer · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:40 am Post subject:

Junk Rhythm · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:40 am Post subject:

ndkent · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:03 am Post subject:

lilakmonoke · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:44 pm Post subject:

lilakmonoke · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject:

LOL ... i just checked the time factor has a usb port so thats one up for eventide! now, where is the API for it ;-)

ignatius · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:59 pm Post subject:

lilakmonoke · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:03 pm Post subject:

Veqtor · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject:

Anyone who's done pro audio programming knows the effort and headache that comes with it makes it something you wouldn't want to do for free.

Paying a quite small sum of money for say the eventide space, isn't too much to ask IMO. I mean, it has A LOT of knobs, sturdy construction, great algos and most importantly, the dsp inside is the sole dev target = top notch quality

tompty · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject:

edit: drunk

clorax hurd · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:26 am Post subject:

polyslax · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:59 am Post subject:

Gentlemen, start your wallets... just got the following email:

At the NAMM show we are going to unveil the following new native plug-ins (sorry, we can barely contain ourselves)

Blackhole from the acclaimed Space Stompbox (with its DNA from the DSP4000/H8000 studio processors). Available in March for a special limited time intro price of only $99! (regularly $199).

And the H3000 Factory from ModFactory 1, 2, and PatchFactory from the venerable H3000 D/SE. It includes the numbered factory presets from these algorithms and a whole lot more. Available in March for a special limited time intro price of only $149! (regularly $299).

ignatius · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:31 am Post subject:

chamomileshark · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject:

so these will just be straight VSTs right? Anyone know what the protection will be on them? I have e-licenser only here.

ignatius · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:22 pm Post subject:

chamomileshark · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject:

sigh. i think that will count me out. It's ok I do appreciate they need to protect their investment.

Maybe some day I'll pick up one of the stomp boxes.

apfEID · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject:

Yup, iLok 2.

ignatius · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject:

lilakmonoke · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject:

iloks are a stupid business decision because lots of producers will not touch anything with an ilok, and that includes me ... simply because its the most superfluous piece of hardware imaginable.

also, i just bought a time factor for live and im not impressed. it is huge and heavy, uses up a lot of electricity and sounds ... like a plugin. there is no saturation on the tape delay and none of the settings sound better than a good analog delay to my ears. (a line 6 echo park does a much better job at that). it has a looper function which is unusable because there is only memory for 12 seconds. the best thing about it is that it outputs a good line level for the mixer.

so i guess im done with eventide hardware. i just hope small operations like valhalla come up with plugins like that which are affordable and no hassles. meanwhile go check out the nasty DLA for an example on how good a digital delay could sound. its free and comes without an ilok ,-)

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/nastydla-final-teaser-a nd-release-info/

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ignatius · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject:

valhalla is the shit. love those plug ins to death.

sooner or later iLok2 will be cracked and then you can buy the plugs and use the cracks if your moral compass requires that.

but i agree about iloks.. i hate them. it's unfair for paying customers to be punished for being honest.

haven · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject:

wintchil · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject:

ilok

I have an ilok 2, but currently don't use it for anything. Maybe I'll have to use it and get these.

Much rather not deal with an ilok though. I'm on the fence.

And, yes someone will crack it. It's only a matter of time.

haven · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:13 pm Post subject:

I will probably go for the H3000 factory although the UI does look a bit lacking. If it gives me some of my rack Eventide sounds with more grit in a plugin form I'm in! Despite the iLok (which I do not have yet)

dkcg · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject:

I don't mind iloks. Then again, I come from the days of daisychaining multiple microguard and eve dongles (the ones that plugged into the serial/keyboard port), I had 4 at one point. Or the flexLM license server that you'd have to have running on the network serving licenses as needed. Or the days of the dongle that would plug into the serial/printer port, and you'd still have to wait to get a fax from the software company that had the flexLM license, and if you got a bad fax and couldn't read the keycodes that had a seperate license for each feature in the same piece of software, you were screwed and might have to call Toronto or Montreal to deal with support, and this is even before you get the software up and running.

ilok's are a godsend in comparison to me. a dongle that has multiple licenses?! Used to be a dongle per piece of software.

I had one problem where my dongle failed, it broke for whatever reason, sent it in, ilok send me a new one with my licenses intact within a couple days. Probably faster if I paid the extra for the no-downtime.

It could be much much worse than one dongle you stick in a usb port. seriously, i just don't get it

ignatius · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:09 am Post subject:

PS - you need the iLok2 not the iLok1.

chances are most new plug ins will require the iLok2 at some point.. so even if you already have an iLok1 you'll have to go out and spend 50 more fucking dollars on a stupid piece of plastic if you want to upgrade when the time comes.. this is already happening.. the cony sonnox plug in updates require iLok2.. my guess is when all the plugs go to 64bit many will require the new 'currently uncracked iLok2'

chamomileshark · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:45 am Post subject:

thanks for the timefactor demo. I think I saw it before - I'm less interested in the tape delay emulations as if I really need it I have a ReVox here, plus analogue delay so I am looking for a decent digital delay.

Denis Goekdag · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:12 am Post subject:

I actually like the iLok/iLok2. If you move around between different studios, you just plug in the dongle and all your stuff is authorized. Imagine activating 50 pieces of software with challenge/response or a serial...nightmare.

ignatius · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject:

dkcg · Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject:

I wish they offered an ilok upgrade program. I have 2 of the old iloks, soon to be useless, even for a paperweight.

But I do like the ilok, I have 3 computers I use (2 macbooks and a win7 workstation), so it's nice not having just one machine with the license or a license server. I take my ilok with me all the time if I think I'll be messing around with any of the plugins on there, but it's not like I'm at a club with my notebook and ilok sitting there.

But I also like Ableton's licensing, they're pretty understanding about them too. I lost a couple installs when my computers went haywire and the motherboard had to be replaced on one. I explained what happened and sent them a copy of my repair order just to be sure, and they gave me more installs.

I think Cycling74 gives you the option of ilok or tying it to the computer. I have an ilok install with them, but when I bought Cyclops, there is no ilok licenseing for it, so they authorized one computer for everything including cyclops. Must have snuck under the radar because I can still use the ilok to run Max on another computer, just no cyclops except the one macbook. One occasion when ilok works to your advantage. thumbs up

soup · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:52 pm Post subject:

Eventide are selling ilok2's for $10 if you buy one of the new native plugins. It could be worse.

dkcg · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject:

Veqtor · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:09 am Post subject:

HOLY FUCK!

H3000 native and "Blackhole" preset from eventide space:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/18048

bsmith · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:13 am Post subject:

skychance · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:21 am Post subject:

i wish i could afford this h7600, i had a buddy that had one and i want to say it was similar to reaktor, but the dsp chips in this are so sick. it never crashes ether. $4000 down the shoot

ignatius · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject:

It's been forever with the next plug in on the line up. There's chatter at the Eventide forum about it.

Apparently H3000 for native had more to it than the expected.

poppinger · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject:

Did they ever actually say which March the native H3000 would be released?

ignatius · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject:

ignatius · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:48 am Post subject:

it's not on eventide's site but is showing up at some retailers.

http://audiodeluxe.com/products/eventide-h3000-factory-native

poppinger · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:07 am Post subject:

I thought the original story was that it was going to be a $149 Intro offer like with the Blackhole plugins.

Either way this is getting bagged tomorrow.

lilakmonoke · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:39 am Post subject:

kind of funky if you can buy the functionality of a 4k rack unit for $75 ... i wonder how all the h3000 rack owners now feel? and im shure the crackers are alread warming up to get this one out for free!

Kent · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:27 am Post subject:

H3000 owners are probably extremely happy to get many more instances of one of their favorite devices for a fraction of what H3000s sell for right now.

H3000 owners can now also move their hardware box to a dedicated mobile rack and use the plug-ins for mixing.

H3000 owners can now automate all of the parameters of one of their favorite effects engines in a native software environment.

The list goes on, obviously.

Why should Eventide even begin to consider H3000 owners, the majority of whom have probably purchased the product 2nd hand, when developing a new product that supersedes something that launched in 1986? The same could be said regarding all subsequent hardware boxes released post H3000 and that would include all subsequent revisions of the H3000.

I thought that you were only interested in anarchy-ware anyhow?

Lyonel · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:27 am Post subject:

Kent · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:47 am Post subject:

Always lookin' good too! hihi

hpsounds · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:48 pm Post subject:

As much as I like the Eventide sound (Eclipse owner), iLok is a deal breaker for me ... just 2 USB ports on my MacBook Pro already fully loaded ...

confused

Hédi K.

Babaluma · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject:

ah, was all excited until i found out it was ilok. now time for that guy to pop up asking why every plugin thread has to devolve into and ilok hating thread. maybe because ilok is crap?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ilok+sucks

Lyonel · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject:

It really depends on your configuration/utilization.
Here, Ilock is nice. Softwares update, hard disk failures, Computer updates, all that… so easy with Ilock Softwares.
Never had any problem.

Kent · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject:

That guy would be me. I'm the one who most recently mentioned the tireless whinging of non-iLok users against the iLok.

Wow, a link of the uncounted masses complaining. This supports nothing.
It's all sour grapes. It is an incessant reductionist rant. Anti-iLok, anti-Challenge/Response, anti-protection, and where would it stop. The Internet has clearly heard from the non-iLok people at this point. Don't like it? Great. Just start a separate thread on this worn out old horse already.

Hédi, if the only real reason is the two USB ports, then wouldn't a bus-powered USB hub work out for you?

Lyonel · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject:

Yep, nothing to remember, nothing to look after, you plug your Ilok, run the plug… and it works.

hpsounds · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject:

richard · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject:

The only thing I really miss from that box - compared with the eclipse - is the string modeller. I am not expecting it to be there - but has anyone seen any evidence of it?

Lyonel · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject:

Nothing quite like the String Modeler, it's more like a super Mod/Patch Factory. Algos 111/122 on a D/SE.

poppinger · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:41 am Post subject:

Playing the waiting game with Eventide support.

Bought it yesterday and any time I try and do anything related to their website I get nothing but errors back.

It's really frustrating.

Ekofisk · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:04 am Post subject:

I am getting all kinds of run-time errors on their website. Trying to register my products. Cannot login, cannot do anything, actually.

astroschnautzer · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:12 am Post subject:

I'm interested in how heavy the plugin is for the cpu..?

poppinger · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject:

poppinger · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:57 am Post subject:

Doesn't seem that heavy on the CPU at all.

It's a lot of fun too -- very modular. There might be some overlap if you have Guitar Rig, but I never really liked Guitar Rig's micro pitchshift sound. So far, I really like the H3000's though.

The default GUI size is ludicrous at 1080p though, even on a 24" monitor. I'm glad I have good eyes, but even so, I wish it was adjustable.

astroschnautzer · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:42 am Post subject: