Muff's Modules & More

E.A.S. · Last edited by E.A.S. on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:51 am; edited 10 times in total

Hey guys,

Here is the next PCB to bring you closer to your miss10/20 build.

The HADSR pcb is a classic envelope generator circuit.

Hold, Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release!!!

In addition to the Standard ADSR it has a hold stage that can extend your gate time. (great for running it from pulse triggers) It also has on board, a unipolar output, a bipolar output, and an inverted bipolar output. All on a small 2.5 x 3.8" pcb (63.5mm x 96.52mm)

This board is the same size as the VCO, VCF/VCA, and the LFO/SAMPLE AND HOLD/NOISE pcbs.

They are High Quality Double sided ROHS compliant boards with
soldermask and white silk screen layer.

now included is a euro power connector. I've also added the MOTM style power connector.

pcb preview

Miss 10 HADSR by itsfatmike, on Flickr

On this board Ive also made provision on the board for different gate options. You can build it with and s-trigger input or a v-trigger input.

If you want in on this run, the price is $18.00 usd each, shipped anywhere.

payment via paypal to Michael (dot) alan (dot) schmidt (at gmail) (dot) com.

If you do not like supporting paypal I can also take credit cards directly through my business.

location of connectors.

hadsr by itsfatmike, on Flickr

Schematic.

MISS TEN HADSR by itsfatmike, on Flickr

I used a dual 1M pot wired in series to get a 2M pot. like this...

IMG_0458 by itsfatmike, on Flickr

Bill of Materials.

C35 6.8uf/16v
C36 0.0033uf
C37 10uf/16v
C38 0.022uf
D14 1N4148
D20 1N4148
D21 1N4148
D22 1N4148
D23 1N4148
D24 1N4148
IC10 LM4558
IC11 TL081
IC12 MC14007
IC13 CD4069
J1 JACK
J2 JACK
J3 JACK
J4 JACK
R110 1K
R111 1K
R112 100K
R113 10K
R114 10K
R115 100K
R117 2.7K
R118 100K
R119 4.3K
R120 100K
R121 150K
R122 43K
R123 100K
R124 470R
R125 100K
R126 47K
R127 1K
R128 220K
R129 100K
R130 100K
R131 470R
R132 680R
R133 33K
R134 10M
R135 100K
R136 10K
R137 1M
R138 1M
R139 1M
Rg1 10k
TR11 2n3904
TR12 2n3904
TRg1 2n3904
VR18 1MA
VR19 10KB
VR20 1MA
VR21 2MA
VR22 2MA

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Cheers!
Mike

emdot_ambient · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject:

Sweet...I'll probably get 2 - 4 of these, got a lot of cash commitments out there right now. confused

computer controlled · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject:

Awesome!

boothnavy · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:53 pm Post subject:

yup, i'm in.

keninverse · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:57 am Post subject:

Nice. I'm in for at the very least 2 possibly 4

reve · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:36 am Post subject:

Two. Buy buy buy. Did I read correctly that you are taking payments now? For this and the lfo?

a.b.o.z. · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:57 am Post subject:

I'll take one.

cheers,

Ivan

regenbot · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:11 am Post subject:

atleast one for me, if i can afford after this flush of pcb's and panels lately.

ringstone · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:29 am Post subject:

I guess it might be wise to wait a while after Xmas for payments to come in lol

...however Scrooge here has enough put away for 4 of these (and 4 of the LFO/Noise/S&H boards).

Cheers
Blair

reggiechacha · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:05 am Post subject:

I'm in for 3

rosch · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:33 am Post subject:

excellent!
i'm in for a couple too. it's a good thing that you wait a few weeks, so i have some time to figure out how many i need (ie can afford)

ach_gott · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:04 am Post subject:

In for 2!

arsonus · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject:

1 for me please!

asb · Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:33 am Post subject:

I'll take one!

Blinkar blå · Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject:

and 2 for me!

widdly · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:10 am Post subject:

Are you going to do the external signal processor from the ms20? That would be kick arse.

The impossible to get quad ganged reverse audio pots are used in 4 different sallen key filters. I wonder if an OTA could be used instead of the variable resistors so that a normal pot could be used to change the frequency.

theabsent · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:44 am Post subject:

I'm interested but would like to see the BOMs (rare parts?) before ordering HADSR & LFO/Noise/S&H boards.

Monobass · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:58 am Post subject:

How difficult would it be to add CV control over each stage?

PF · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject:

Im in for 2 boards..

Dego · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject:

E.A.S. · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject:

E.A.S. · Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject:

brother303

Hi Mike,

E.A.S.

brother303 · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:11 am Post subject:

Thanks Mike,

helpful as always.

thumbs up

computer controlled · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject:

Yeah, i think i'm gonna have get a couple of these eek!

regenbot · Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject:

payed 1 x "miss10" LFO, S/H and NOISE PCB and
1x "miss10" HADSR PCB.

Guinness ftw!

gwaidan · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:59 am Post subject:

Just paid for 1 HADSR and 1 LFO/Noise...

arsonus · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:55 am Post subject:

Paypaled for 1x LFO, S/H and NOISE PCB and 1x HADSR PCB.

brother303 · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:32 am Post subject:

Hi Mike,

payment sent for 3xHADSR.

thumbs up

Cheers
Greg

nihilist · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject:

Please put me down for
1 X HADSR
1 X white/pink noise

keninverse · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject:

Mike,
Do you happnen to have a BOM for these as well as the LFO/Noise/SH board put together?

E.A.S. · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject:

mamonu · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject:

payed for 1 HADSR

Barcode · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject:

Payment sent for 1 x "miss10" LFO, S/H and NOISE PCB and 1 x "miss10" HADSR PCB!

theabsent · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject:

When?

E.A.S. · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject:

Quick update:
I'm doing some final touch-ups to the layout, a little clean-up, final check, and off to the pcb house it goes. I was hoping to get these out a little sooner but I want to make sure everything is perfect before they are made!

-Mike

boothnavy · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:37 am Post subject:

paid for 4.

raisinbag · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject:

Hi there, looking at BOM and wondering if there are any resistors that need to be better than 5%, do any of the Non polarized caps need to be better than Film or ceramic and was wondering if there was a sub for the MC14007? I see mouser has it, but am trying to find as much stuff close to home as I can. Cheers.

iopop · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:20 am Post subject:

Not sure where your home is, but a CD4007 should probably work fine. Or any other 4007 in the CMOS family.

raisinbag · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:17 am Post subject:

snow (or not so snowy right now) white north "Canada". I can grab a 4007 near me, so I will try that when it comes time, thanks.

E.A.S. · Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject:

Just a quick update:

After making adjustment to the pcb and checking over it all several times we have finally placed the order with the PCB house for both the HADSR and the noise-lfo-s/h boards!

The boards should be arriving here in a little under 2 weeks and will be shipped out to you guys shortly after!

Thanks for your patience and support!

-Mike

E.A.S. · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

First post updated.

These are in stock and will be shipping to those who have already paid shortly!

I will keep these in stock for anyone to order.

When I start running low I will update the first post. Otherwise these are available.

Thanks all!

-Mike

Miss 10 HADSR by itsfatmike, on Flickr

emdot_ambient · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject:

Woo hoo!

negativspace · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject:

This is 3-bacon news if I've ever heard it. It's motherfucking bacon yo

aladan · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject:

1 x ordered & paid smile

E.A.S. · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject:

UPDATE:

Clean your work benh and heat up those soldering irons!!

All Paid PCB orders have been shipped!! This is fun!

-Mike

p.s. I ordered extras this time, so if you feel 'left out', its not to late to join the solder party! w00t

E.A.S. · Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject:

First post updated with some wiring info!

-Mike

E.A.S. · Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: schematic!

Update: Schematic added to first post.

hurray!

demian · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject:

I want 1.

E.A.S. · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject:

brother303 · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:24 am Post subject:

Hi,

is it possible to use a CD4007 instead of a MC14007? Datasheets look similar.

Can somebody confirm this?

Thanks
Greg

E.A.S. · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject:

All paid orders are packed and will be shipping shortly!

-M

Dego · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject:

Any changes for 12 volt?

E.A.S. · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject:

raisinbag · Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject:

ringstone · Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject:

raisinbag · Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject:

Ok Ill grab the 14007 then just to be sure.

I would love to see how you did it. And ya if you figure out an LED do let us know, that would be a welcome add on.

Dego · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:26 am Post subject:

First I tried ken stones led driver but did not get that to work then I used this from Foniks schematic:
http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-files/woollastonadsr_147.gif

And it worked great as a LED driver. I used it directly to the output after discussing that with negativespace. He recommended using a high insensitive LED. Works good.

To mount the electrolytes I put two legs in the same hole for the chosen two electrolytes. Then I leave one leg without soldering it to the pcb on one of the electrolytes. The other electrolyte is mounted as usual. Then I solder the legs of the two electrolytes to the switch and after that I solder the leg of the second electrolyte that is not attached to the pcb with its leg to the switch.

I have built two of them smile

ringstone · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:41 am Post subject:

Thanks, I was actually going to try Ken's circuit - I'm surprised it didn't work here. The circuit you posted is pretty similar to how I've done it before so I'll go with that. thumbs up

Cheers
Blair

EDIT: And the cap to switch for envelope length is C35 (6.8uF) - I'm using tantalums as per the original and switching between 2.2uF (short) and 10uF (long).

Dego · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:15 am Post subject:

I used the exact same values for envelope length as you and was happy with the result. 10uF was the choice since I had no 6.8uF at home but I am happy with the result so I will not change it.

Barcode

E.A.S.

fivesteppath · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject:

I finally powered mine up.
Question. Not sure if this is a fault of my own or part of the design. At the level given, the sustain always... sustains, even if there is no gate/trigger. Its level works fine and it does die when set to 0 though.
It was a quick test, so far the attack and decay work like expected.

E.A.S. · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:47 pm Post subject:

Peake · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:34 am Post subject:

I missed the boat on this...if anyone has one they'd let go please message me. No paypal, sorry. Sorry to intrude. Thanks for the projects Mike!

Peake · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:35 am Post subject:

This is not a double-post, it's a shuffle beat. Or a flam. Nothing to see here.

ringstone · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:41 am Post subject:

fivesteppath · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:53 am Post subject:

Haha, false alarm, I forgot to solder C on the dual pots. d'oh!

Everything works as expected.

E.A.S. · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:28 am Post subject:

E.A.S. · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:50 am Post subject:

Here's the proper wiring of the "hold" and "attack" pots.

IMG_0458 by itsfatmike, on Flickr

fivesteppath · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:30 am Post subject:

Ironically I soldered all of my pots backwards so I was aware of this when I was testing it.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you guys clearly.
Although 'B' & 'C' are connected on the PCB I still had to solder the 4 pin wiring to 'B' & 'C', which finally allowed me to change the level on the hold instead of a full extended gate.

And just like EAS had assured the sustain was not the issue in my case.

E.A.S. · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:36 am Post subject:

fivesteppath · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:58 am Post subject:

e-grad · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:11 am Post subject:

Which part changes are needed to run this board on +/-15V and to rise it's output to 10V?

E.A.S. · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:42 am Post subject:

e-grad · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:49 am Post subject:

Thanks!